The Syndicate

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:15 am Rondo, the problem you’re having is that Jack is an obvious wolf and I am not.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:08 pm Percentage chance of a Mac/Alison W/W world? Like anyone else think that's a possibility right meow? Because it's something I'm buying into more and more during reread.

I retract my neon scumread.

Remember when

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:24 am okay nice x-post

neon i think the main thing im interested in hearing from u right now is just the strongest reads u have in either direction

The fact that I happened to be on a post from you at the time you said that is both ironic and a coincidence but hey I'll take it.

My way of finding scum is weird but sure.

I don't actually have a strong TR at this point outside of Lucy which is weird and frustrating in that my style is to find town and work down from there to find scum. So I'm in a weird position where I'm working out of a position of discomfort in juxtaposition to how I'd prefer to play the game.

My strongest SR right now I think is Alison/Mac I just think they've been treating people poorly for bad reasons and are digging in their heels in a way that feels less like trying to solve the game and more like trying to make people look bad for things that aren't really that bad.

That is an awfully specific thing to accuse two separate people of being. Kinda feels like bullshit.

Dunno kinda feels like real to me.

So wanna tell me why me being me is suddenly such a bad way to play mafia compared to every other FM we've played?

I'm not going to sit here and claim I have better meta knowledge of how you play than you yourself do. If you are town, I am seeing quite a different town Neon than what I am used to seeing at the very least emotionally (and therefore tonally).

My mental model of town Neon has keywords in it like: colourful, diffident, self-critical, deferential, memeish, inconsistent, scattered.

What I am seeing here is: guarded, defensive, forceful, insistent, courageous.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:38 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:26 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:37 pm I think I vote yes for letting lucy call the exe

this sounds a lot like kingmaker and i'm not a fan of it as a concept

is there a difference between them or

Day 1 is a crapshoot most of the time. Town have the least amount of information, the mafia are in full form and have the most thread control generally. I'd rather one confirmed town choose, than what is essentially the mafia most of the time.

What makes confirmed town Lucy any more likely to actually get the correct result than just any other name out of a hat though?

Like is it simply because we know she's town and it doesn't matter she may kill a really important towny just as much as you or I would?

Because any other name out of a hat has a chance of having mafia in it obviously lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:06 am I decided to fact check myself because I often internally confuse games I played with Alison and Anne internally and mix them up.

Now that I've done that I've concluded the game I was thinking of was indeed with Alison and so I feel comfortable in saying a great majority of my problem with Alison this game stems from her treatment of Roxy and how it has internally pinged me as a recreation of the way I was treated by Alison in King of the Hill mafia. It's possible that maybe I would've been treated similarly if Alison was in fact town in that game but I haven't felt like Alison's attempts to engage Roxy were done to solve Roxy or find common ground or understanding I've felt that Alison's approach to Roxy was designed to illicit a negative emotional response that she could than paint as a wolfy response in a very similar way to how I felt Alison was attempting to illicit a negative response instead of try to understand or engage or solve me in King of the Hill.

I do not think that approach is towny. If I'm wrong I'd love for people to help me see where my thoughts are diverging from reality.

I don't necessarily think you are wrong about Alison tbh. I think Alison could be mafia, the problem with that is I have is that she has said nothing I can particularly call her out on. ie. My tinfoil instincts and my brain are at odds. Like my initial reaction to her posts was that I was reading wolf Alison, so I tried to gotcha her on her Kate read, but then ... she was just correct there tbh and Kate has only gotten wolfier. Then she kept choosing the side of most logic every time I read her. And there's like a schism between a mini faction of like Baudib, SPF, her and I who have a large amount of alignment on reads and a whole bunch of people who feel like absolute bullshit artists and your perspectives are more aligned to theirs (Jack, Wilgy, Falcon, you).

I'm not convinced you're mafia, but I am convinced that if you are town that you really are not challenging your own logic and keep throwing ideas out into the thread and I keep wanting to kill you for everything you say lol.

Thank you Mac.

So like am I wrong to be concerned about the similarities between these two plays because Alison will simply do this identical play irregardless of alignment and because outside of that she's simply been towny?

If anything I think you have Alison caught for the wrong reasons if you do yes. What you are suspecting her for is within her townrange. If she is mafia, I believe she is townsiding and frankly is more likely to be mafia with at least some of those who she is having conflict with in the thread.

Alison kind have has two wolf operating models (with obviously a lot of nuance). Hard wolfside and deep wolf.

Hard wolfside Alison, usually a mode she chooses because of lifestyle factors such as busyness etc, makes up reads, essentially dooming herself to a day 2/3 (sometimes 4) endgame, but with the intent of ruining the town morale, killing townies that shouldn't die and spewing her team clear. You could argue that what you are describing is aligned to that, except for the fact that I (and Baudib and SPF, who are probably town imo), am vibing with her play. When she is in this mode, her day 1 has the inverse effect to what it is having on me right now. I have an overwhelming desire to kill her when she chooses this play style.

Deepwolf Alison, will generally townside a fair bit harder at least optically. She will only push scummy town and in liue of that will spend a lot of time burying scummy teammates. She usually draws the line at outright bussing and often can be caught in this mode by shifting her agenda later in the day away from a townsiding outcome and more towards a wolfsiding outcome.

Alison plays mafia like chess as either alignment and can be read clearer through agenda than on play as most of her tactics appear in her play regardless of her alignment. On day 1 as mafia she is planning the mafia team's endgame and all the days between. So if she is mafia, simply reading her so because she is being a bitch to someone is far too level 1 of a read to actually catch her for. I say that full well knowing you might be right and I might be wrong about her alignment lol. Because at the end of the day, it's not a good read unless you can persuade the rest of the town you're right about it even if you are.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:29 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:19 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:55 am You're right, my approach to Roxy was not positive. I don't tend to approach my scumreads positively. I don't care if it made the game state hard for you to read through, if you don't like reading people arguing then don't play mafia. It benefits town because it exposed Roxy as flailing and breaking down under pressure which is an extremely scummy move and may well have outed a mafia.

You seem to be extremely skeptical of the concept of pressuring a suspect. Even excessively nice players like JJJ don't take that kind of view. I know you're not new to mafia, so either you are an abnormal player or you are making this all up. Which is it?

This approach is simply shit Alison.

You will incorrectly accuse just as many town players of being scum by breaking them down in such a negative way as you will "correctly" find scum.

I don't think you've even found scum. I just think you've pissed off a human being on another side of another screen for no reason.

You catch more flies with honeythan vinegar.

Don't sit here and tell me not to play mafia.

Interesting theory.

Unfortunately the results don't bear it out, as I am successful enough in my town games that I am policy exed if I do not catch a wolf by D2 or D3. What I did to Roxy is that I called them mafia. If being called mafia pisses you off, this is not the game for you. You agree to be pressured, interrogated, and accused of being mafia regardless of your alignment by signing up to the game. And in doing so, I made them switch their views and contradict themselves in the scummiest way possible. Roxy hasn't even posted in the thread since our fight which suggests that she is completely frozen. The fact that you are so defensive of them is suspicious, and the fact that you think pressuring suspects is a shit approach when it has already proven itself to be very effective this game alone suggests that you are either being wilfully ignorant or you have a malicious agenda in trying to undermine my solving.

I think there's a stark difference between a positive attempt to aggresively attack someone as mafia and a negative attempt to aggresively attack someone as mafia.

I also dont think you "simply called them mafia"

I also internally feel like Roxy asked you to stop pushing her in a way that was making her feel uncomfortable and you refused.

I think you're inability to reconcile the idea that my thoughts don't mean I think you should never push someone aggresively and rather mean you can do that with positive energy and not illicit intentional negative emotions is weird

You seem to think I'm saying never be aggressive when I'm saying why do you have to be aggressive in such a harsh unnecessary way.

Yes of course I refused. My scumreads don't get to dictate how I push them as long as I'm not using personal attacks or taking things out of the game, which I didn't. Have you ever considered that Roxy might be uncomfortable by my push because she is mafia and she is terrified of being caught 4 pages in? No, you haven't, and I'm struggling to decide if this is a TMI slip or not. You keep using the words positive and negative: newsflash, I don't treat mafia members positively. If nobody ever treated them negatively they'll never feel true pressure and they'll never get caught. There is nothing harsh or unnecessary about my style of play. I exert as much pressure as is necessary to get them to tell me their alignment.

That's the last I'll say on this because I suspect you are trying to waste my time with bullshit mafia theory in order to get me to cap. I'll save the rest of my posts for casing and EOD.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:26 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:37 pm I think I vote yes for letting lucy call the exe

this sounds a lot like kingmaker and i'm not a fan of it as a concept

is there a difference between them or

Day 1 is a crapshoot most of the time. Town have the least amount of information, the mafia are in full form and have the most thread control generally. I'd rather one confirmed town choose, than what is essentially the mafia most of the time.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:19 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:55 am You're right, my approach to Roxy was not positive. I don't tend to approach my scumreads positively. I don't care if it made the game state hard for you to read through, if you don't like reading people arguing then don't play mafia. It benefits town because it exposed Roxy as flailing and breaking down under pressure which is an extremely scummy move and may well have outed a mafia.

You seem to be extremely skeptical of the concept of pressuring a suspect. Even excessively nice players like JJJ don't take that kind of view. I know you're not new to mafia, so either you are an abnormal player or you are making this all up. Which is it?

This approach is simply shit Alison.

You will incorrectly accuse just as many town players of being scum by breaking them down in such a negative way as you will "correctly" find scum.

I don't think you've even found scum. I just think you've pissed off a human being on another side of another screen for no reason.

You catch more flies with honeythan vinegar.

Don't sit here and tell me not to play mafia.

Interesting theory.

Unfortunately the results don't bear it out, as I am successful enough in my town games that I am policy exed if I do not catch a wolf by D2 or D3. What I did to Roxy is that I called them mafia. If being called mafia pisses you off, this is not the game for you. You agree to be pressured, interrogated, and accused of being mafia regardless of your alignment by signing up to the game. And in doing so, I made them switch their views and contradict themselves in the scummiest way possible. Roxy hasn't even posted in the thread since our fight which suggests that she is completely frozen. The fact that you are so defensive of them is suspicious, and the fact that you think pressuring suspects is a shit approach when it has already proven itself to be very effective this game alone suggests that you are either being wilfully ignorant or you have a malicious agenda in trying to undermine my solving.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:22 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:06 am I decided to fact check myself because I often internally confuse games I played with Alison and Anne internally and mix them up.

Now that I've done that I've concluded the game I was thinking of was indeed with Alison and so I feel comfortable in saying a great majority of my problem with Alison this game stems from her treatment of Roxy and how it has internally pinged me as a recreation of the way I was treated by Alison in King of the Hill mafia. It's possible that maybe I would've been treated similarly if Alison was in fact town in that game but I haven't felt like Alison's attempts to engage Roxy were done to solve Roxy or find common ground or understanding I've felt that Alison's approach to Roxy was designed to illicit a negative emotional response that she could than paint as a wolfy response in a very similar way to how I felt Alison was attempting to illicit a negative response instead of try to understand or engage or solve me in King of the Hill.

I do not think that approach is towny. If I'm wrong I'd love for people to help me see where my thoughts are diverging from reality.

I don't necessarily think you are wrong about Alison tbh. I think Alison could be mafia, the problem with that is I have is that she has said nothing I can particularly call her out on. ie. My tinfoil instincts and my brain are at odds. Like my initial reaction to her posts was that I was reading wolf Alison, so I tried to gotcha her on her Kate read, but then ... she was just correct there tbh and Kate has only gotten wolfier. Then she kept choosing the side of most logic every time I read her. And there's like a schism between a mini faction of like Baudib, SPF, her and I who have a large amount of alignment on reads and a whole bunch of people who feel like absolute bullshit artists and your perspectives are more aligned to theirs (Jack, Wilgy, Falcon, you).

I'm not convinced you're mafia, but I am convinced that if you are town that you really are not challenging your own logic and keep throwing ideas out into the thread and I keep wanting to kill you for everything you say lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:24 am okay nice x-post

neon i think the main thing im interested in hearing from u right now is just the strongest reads u have in either direction

The fact that I happened to be on a post from you at the time you said that is both ironic and a coincidence but hey I'll take it.

My way of finding scum is weird but sure.

I don't actually have a strong TR at this point outside of Lucy which is weird and frustrating in that my style is to find town and work down from there to find scum. So I'm in a weird position where I'm working out of a position of discomfort in juxtaposition to how I'd prefer to play the game.

My strongest SR right now I think is Alison/Mac I just think they've been treating people poorly for bad reasons and are digging in their heels in a way that feels less like trying to solve the game and more like trying to make people look bad for things that aren't really that bad.

That is an awfully specific thing to accuse two separate people of being. Kinda feels like bullshit.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:55 am You're right, my approach to Roxy was not positive. I don't tend to approach my scumreads positively. I don't care if it made the game state hard for you to read through, if you don't like reading people arguing then don't play mafia. It benefits town because it exposed Roxy as flailing and breaking down under pressure which is an extremely scummy move and may well have outed a mafia.

You seem to be extremely skeptical of the concept of pressuring a suspect. Even excessively nice players like JJJ don't take that kind of view. I know you're not new to mafia, so either you are an abnormal player or you are making this all up. Which is it?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:45 am Two people other than tutuu have said it was true and you seemed completely uninterested in their takes. What is it about tutuu's vouchsafe that makes you care more than SPF's or Mac's?

I don't think town should be pressuring wolfs in a way that is detrimental to thread health and intentionally designed to illicit a negative emotional response no. I think it's quite possible to pressure scum and get them to cream without pushing their emotional boundaries.

What a nonsensical view of my treatment of Roxy. I never pushed her "emotional boundaries". Every one of my posts was a targeted probe at her alignment or a targeted attempt to get others to see how scummy she's being. At no point did I bring in emotions or personal affairs. She is tilted because she was caught, not because of some nonsense about boundaries.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:36 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:31 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:06 am I decided to fact check myself because I often internally confuse games I played with Alison and Anne internally and mix them up.

Now that I've done that I've concluded the game I was thinking of was indeed with Alison and so I feel comfortable in saying a great majority of my problem with Alison this game stems from her treatment of Roxy and how it has internally pinged me as a recreation of the way I was treated by Alison in King of the Hill mafia. It's possible that maybe I would've been treated similarly if Alison was in fact town in that game but I haven't felt like Alison's attempts to engage Roxy were done to solve Roxy or find common ground or understanding I've felt that Alison's approach to Roxy was designed to illicit a negative emotional response that she could than paint as a wolfy response in a very similar way to how I felt Alison was attempting to illicit a negative response instead of try to understand or engage or solve me in King of the Hill.

I do not think that approach is towny. If I'm wrong I'd love for people to help me see where my thoughts are diverging from reality.

Why is this scummy? You've seen me do it as scum, sure. But you've never seen a town game of mine (so you wouldn't know if I also do it as town), and the act itself is inherently townie. What makes you so confident that this behavior is emblematic of my scum approach but not my town approach, in the face of people like Mac and SPF who have a thousand games with me telling you otherwise?

I don't think the act itself is towny at all. I don't think town should be trying to create a toxic thread state to force emotional reactions to push narratives. I don't think that helps anyone.

Town should be approaching people in good faith in an attempt to understand them and push the game towards positive resolutions. 2 towns may come to 2 entirely different world views reading the same posts its far more beneficial that they try to understand each other's perspectives and read into weather the perspective difference is caused by a wolfy agenda or a town seeing things in a different way. But turning the thread state negative to illicit emotional reactions instead of understanding prevents town cohesion and benefits only scum therefore it is scummy.

Your right I've seen you do this as scum and not town and it may well be within your town range but if I see a similar recreation of a scenario I've seen scum you do before im going to read it as scummy.

You don't think town should be pressuring scum to get them to crack?

Interesting that you don't seem to care at all that it is within my town range. Almost like you are uninterested in approaching me in good faith and are just trying to paint me as scummy using an interpretation of how to play town that any mafia player with more than 5 games under their belt is unlikely to believe. Under your logic, you are outed.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:06 am I decided to fact check myself because I often internally confuse games I played with Alison and Anne internally and mix them up.

Now that I've done that I've concluded the game I was thinking of was indeed with Alison and so I feel comfortable in saying a great majority of my problem with Alison this game stems from her treatment of Roxy and how it has internally pinged me as a recreation of the way I was treated by Alison in King of the Hill mafia. It's possible that maybe I would've been treated similarly if Alison was in fact town in that game but I haven't felt like Alison's attempts to engage Roxy were done to solve Roxy or find common ground or understanding I've felt that Alison's approach to Roxy was designed to illicit a negative emotional response that she could than paint as a wolfy response in a very similar way to how I felt Alison was attempting to illicit a negative response instead of try to understand or engage or solve me in King of the Hill.

I do not think that approach is towny. If I'm wrong I'd love for people to help me see where my thoughts are diverging from reality.

Why is this scummy? You've seen me do it as scum, sure. But you've never seen a town game of mine (so you wouldn't know if I also do it as town), and the act itself is inherently townie. What makes you so confident that this behavior is emblematic of my scum approach but not my town approach, in the face of people like Mac and SPF who have a thousand games with me telling you otherwise?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 am

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:56 am Tutuu, I demand you ISO Jack and quote one post that you think has genuine thought. If you think Alison is likely torn you should probably think his posts are a steaming pile of garbage (they are) and that he will flip wolf (he will).

well if u so assertive how can i say no blush emoje

i dont wanna iso him though i roughly remember some stuff. i thought him calling alison's posts gross was genuine. i saw it as emotional more than anything. his first post "i only rand town, im probably garbage now, might as well get it over now" felt real. his post about alison double psychology mumbo jumbo getting him to scumread him and stuff - it felt real to me

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:06 am I decided to fact check myself because I often internally confuse games I played with Alison and Anne internally and mix them up.

Now that I've done that I've concluded the game I was thinking of was indeed with Alison and so I feel comfortable in saying a great majority of my problem with Alison this game stems from her treatment of Roxy and how it has internally pinged me as a recreation of the way I was treated by Alison in King of the Hill mafia. It's possible that maybe I would've been treated similarly if Alison was in fact town in that game but I haven't felt like Alison's attempts to engage Roxy were done to solve Roxy or find common ground or understanding I've felt that Alison's approach to Roxy was designed to illicit a negative emotional response that she could than paint as a wolfy response in a very similar way to how I felt Alison was attempting to illicit a negative response instead of try to understand or engage or solve me in King of the Hill.

I do not think that approach is towny. If I'm wrong I'd love for people to help me see where my thoughts are diverging from reality.

I think it’s very possible it could be standard T/T spat and/or NAI for either as I think there’s a serious playstyle conflict between the two and Alison’s response to Roxy’s AtE is somewhat policy driven.

In a vacuum I don’t think many (if any) mafia take this aggro an approach to early game.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:05 am should I just not bother trying to catch up on today's posts or like what is the issue here lol

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:45 am If you’re keeping score at home, none of Neon’s responses were towny but like her reads might be TWTBAW?

Idk I’m just gonna vote whoever Lucy wants in all likelihood.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:50 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:47 am My strongest SR right now I think is Alison/Mac I just think they've been treating people poorly for bad reasons and are digging in their heels in a way that feels less like trying to solve the game and more like trying to make people look bad for things that aren't really that bad.

can you give me some examples of where you think mac specifically has done this?

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:48 am

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:23 am

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this

Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all

Bruh u cannot get me lynched.

First off it was me Creature and Alison and the town Oracle said she wanted to nuke the wagons so if you don’t think it can be a town POV take it up with our PR. Wilgy became a wagon because Lucy asked for it.

You know PRs can be wrong right?

Ooooh nice, a bonafide wolfy post.

This exchange is about me saying that the wagons (me, Creature, Alison) with 3+ votes were bad and Falcon saying he doesn't see it as a town mindset, and me pointing out that the assertion came from Lucy (IC), which proves it is indeed a town mindset.
So your takeaway from that exchange is to double down and try to discredit me and Lucy and not to agree that Falcon's "i don't see that as a town mindset at all" is not provably false?Interesting.

Neon is wolfy for this ^ post and her vote on Alison.

Jack is an obvwolf for posting 100% nonsense and trolls and wolfily pushing Alison, which makes me think Alison is probably at least partially correct in pushing Kate/Roxy.

Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.

It's funny how wrong you are

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:33 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:23 am

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this

Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all

Bruh u cannot get me lynched.

First off it was me Creature and Alison and the town Oracle said she wanted to nuke the wagons so if you don’t think it can be a town POV take it up with our PR. Wilgy became a wagon because Lucy asked for it.

You know PRs can be wrong right?

Ooooh nice, a bonafide wolfy post.

This exchange is about me saying that the wagons (me, Creature, Alison) with 3+ votes were bad and Falcon saying he doesn't see it as a town mindset, and me pointing out that the assertion came from Lucy (IC), which proves it is indeed a town mindset.
So your takeaway from that exchange is to double down and try to discredit me and Lucy and not to agree that Falcon's "i don't see that as a town mindset at all" is not provably false?Interesting.

Neon is wolfy for this ^ post and her vote on Alison.

Jack is an obvwolf for posting 100% nonsense and trolls and wolfily pushing Alison, which makes me think Alison is probably at least partially correct in pushing Kate/Roxy.

Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:24 am okay nice x-post

neon i think the main thing im interested in hearing from u right now is just the strongest reads u have in either direction

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:22 am if neon posts again without talking to me or engaging with me im just going to assume she's mafia treating me in bad faith just like she did in the invitational game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:09 pm Here's the patented Mac rub.

A lot of people are less playing mafia with a town process and more throwing out thought bubbles and have perspectives that make my lip curl up and make me wish they were playing a different mafia game I'm not in. I begrudge nobody for suspecting or hating the play of these folks.

Wilgy
Jack
Neon
Tutuu
Seanzie
Falcon
Creature

Then there are people who are just like ... not doing much of anything and aren't really redeemable but for whatever reason it seems like there's a moratorium on suspecting them.

Roxy
Finger
Kate

Then there are some players who aren't doing much but they kinda town.

Bereft
Porscha
Dennis

And then there's everyone else. We shall call them "folks who appear to be playing a game of mafia and not a game of scrabble". I like all of them and if you are voting them ur a nerd.

If your name is in the top group and you are town please have a strong coffee, freshly evaluate the game and make some posts that are designed purposefully to be read and understood by a belligerent old townie person so I can stop hating your existence.

Thanks.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this

Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all

Bruh u cannot get me lynched.

First off it was me Creature and Alison and the town Oracle said she wanted to nuke the wagons so if you don’t think it can be a town POV take it up with our PR. Wilgy became a wagon because Lucy asked for it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:52 pm i would appreciate if anyone could engage with any of those reads because im a little #lost right now (lost wolf soft)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:31 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:09 pm

Sell me on it. What is making you feel that way?

I'm not much of a seller gotta be honest I don't really like making scum cases.

I feel like they are treating each other with kid gloves they are interacting and iirc Mac has a scum read on Alison but he's barely getting into it. I'm used to Alison and Mac at least making some noise when they play together it's like a neutered version of what I'd expect

Your expectations of me are misaligned with the reality of me.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. What should I be looking for?

Genuine solving.

What if I didn't feel like there was genuineness to your solving until recently?



Or like... much solving at all.

I would say you'd be wrong and also suspicious for being so blatantly wrong on point 2.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:17 pm Alison

Voters: sig, Dennis, Jackofhearts2005, Neon

This wagon is so bad we could prob nuke everyone in it

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

My pocket has 500 cable channels and free wifi

wtf nobody uses cable anymore. My parent's don't even use cable anymore (it took me so long to convince them that cable was a ripoff though).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:31 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:09 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:08 pm Percentage chance of a Mac/Alison W/W world? Like anyone else think that's a possibility right meow? Because it's something I'm buying into more and more during reread.

Sell me on it. What is making you feel that way?

I'm not much of a seller gotta be honest I don't really like making scum cases.

I feel like they are treating each other with kid gloves they are interacting and iirc Mac has a scum read on Alison but he's barely getting into it. I'm used to Alison and Mac at least making some noise when they play together it's like a neutered version of what I'd expect

Your expectations of me are misaligned with the reality of me.

Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. What should I be looking for?

Genuine solving.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:40 pm @Neon -

let's talk when youre around

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:32 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:08 pm Percentage chance of a Mac/Alison W/W world? Like anyone else think that's a possibility right meow? Because it's something I'm buying into more and more during reread.

Sorry if you explain later but I'm in catch up and want to know what you are seeing in catch up that would make you think its w/w? Iirc mac said something about alison maybe wolf but dont think it went anywhere

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:22 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:09 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:08 pm Percentage chance of a Mac/Alison W/W world? Like anyone else think that's a possibility right meow? Because it's something I'm buying into more and more during reread.

Sell me on it. What is making you feel that way?

I'm not much of a seller gotta be honest I don't really like making scum cases.

I feel like they are treating each other with kid gloves they are interacting and iirc Mac has a scum read on Alison but he's barely getting into it. I'm used to Alison and Mac at least making some noise when they play together it's like a neutered version of what I'd expect

Your expectations of me are misaligned with the reality of me.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:53 pm i am hard vetoing alison lynch today

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:17 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 am What is the basis of this Kate wagon? I've seen nothing that's pinged me...am I blind?

I agree, she had only made one post and Allison seemed to think it was bad? Then people just sheeped that lead

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:04 pm Hot take: Alison/Roxy is w/w.

Do I believe it? I don't know. But it is a hot take.

bad take, feels v/v

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:10 pm i'm not fully caught up but i'm getting pinged by a lot of the posts from creature that i'm seeing

i just played with him in da bois invitiational where we were T/T, and one thing i noticed about his game is that he was super hedgy and super non-commital and consistently projected a mindset where he was scared about being wrong. some quotes from him on d1 in that game:

I'm giving time for my reads to mature.

I am prob not giving anyone a townread for now until I am fairly sure about it. So don't expect anything from me other than pushing whoever is being wolfy.

I dunno where to go. I suspect spf and ladd the most but I'm also afraid of lynching them and them being town.

neopest I guess is playing her town game? (although I feel like she may have figured it out as wolf and can emulate it)

by contrast, creature is picking up reads in this game much more confidently, and he is pushing on ppl fairly aggressively and seems to have no hesitance about calling them wolfy:

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:57 am Alright Seanzie looks good page 1

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:08 am I liked Neon's posts tbh.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm I guess the players I actually townread are Baudib1, Neon and Seanzie. Maybe lucy too but need more from her.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 pm Alison
DrWilgy
Kate
RondoDimBuckle
sig
tutuu

should contain wolves

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.

I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.



Get hyped.



What's your take on Wilgy?

lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go

i think the last post in particular isn't really a post that my mental model of creature as town would make. saying "X player has an inaccurate readslist, so he can go" feels like a bizarre amount of confidence from a player who is usually very hedgy and very worried about having an incorrect view of the game

maybe im reading too much into the meta stuff but yeah idk, i just feel like creature might be playing from a position of TMI and that he is forming a worldview too easily compared to what i just saw from him in a game like 2 weeks ago