The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 12:49 am i wrote a very long post outlining my worldview and who i think the mafia are in each conceivable world but i havent decided if im going to post it yet

maybe like 10 minutes before the deadline so that the mafia doesnt have time to prepare around it

idk

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:19 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:37 pm Game was lost the minute I became the target of bad omgus like d2

Yes, I singlehandedly lost the game twelve people were in. My bad. I'll just go to the shame circle.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:59 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:38 pm Alternatively psv is actually just mafia but.

Thing of it is that only push me when I vote them lol

do u think psv is town?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:53 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:08 pm Strongly prefer the ability to hammer.
Honestly at this point discussion has been pretty stagnant. No offense but it feels like me and SPF are the only ones still playing. I'd like to shorten the misery where possible.

if sig is mafia then i think there's a decent chance you end up dying

saying this to possibly wifom him into leaving you alive if he is mafia

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:19 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:06 pmVote: PSV

Weren't you scumreading Dennis last cycle? What changed?

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:55 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm if sig is mafia, why does he kill ted? why does he hard push on falcon early into d2 before falcon was even a consensus scumread?

if psv is mafia, why does she go out of her way to try to prevent me from dying when i could be an easy miselimination from her pov? (unless she's specifically trying to keep me alive for 3 way so that i will vote with her i guess)

dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but

I rarely ever order readlists

It's like, a lot of have people said you're scum but I genuinely don't understand why

Like I don't think I've seen a case, but I can't exactly ignore the ghosts of the past yelling that you're bad

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm if sig is mafia, why does he kill ted? why does he hard push on falcon early into d2 before falcon was even a consensus scumread?

if psv is mafia, why does she go out of her way to try to prevent me from dying when i could be an easy miselimination from her pov? (unless she's specifically trying to keep me alive for 3 way so that i will vote with her i guess)

dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 6:43 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 6:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 5:32 pm anyway, i don't mind dying today because it's optimal for the gamestate and i would really rather not be taken to the f3

gonna spend the time i do have re-reading the game, mostly. feel free to ping me if you wanna discuss anything specific

I hate this honestly
If you're town a miselim is really the last thing we need right now.
I don't want to be in F3 either but I'm not just gonna say "okay, gobble me up!"

the reality of the situation is that two of the nightkilled players have died with their legacies as: "kill SPF" and if i get taken to a f3, it's going to be very difficult for anyone who is town with me to overcome the strength of those legacies

it's not about "not wanting to be in f3", it's about feeling like i would probably die every time in a f3 and that it is probably the safer option to just kill me today and then strongly consider the legacy read that i give for the f3

i know that it sucks, but that's where i'm at

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 1:58 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:21 am Im clearing sig and SPF so like probably everyone else

this is pretty unbelievable to me on a surface level

sig i get, but having that confidence on spf and not narrowing down on 2 people at least seems weird to me.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:41 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 12:22 am However 2 things

1. Something about that EoD felt off on a vibes level can't tell if I don't like spfs eod or if I just think sig is cleared off it but I'm leaning towards sig is just not a wolf and wolfs were chilling.

Pyxxy was clearly there but barely posting to this game is honestly just GGs

2. SPF is 2000% not clear just because of the Pyx flip that's 1000% fakeable and SPF is 5000% good enough to realize that

But who are you actually scum reading? I'm not SRing SPF, though point 2 is something that's occurred to me. Are you still thinking Dennis is scummy?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 8:56 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 8:55 pm I have repeatedly said I'm not gonna vote spf and they are my top town

...have you?
Genuine question.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 6:00 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:06 pm @Neon if you're bored, why am I town?

Your not?

I just can't decide who I want to kill more. You or Dennis.

Do you gain anything from killing Dennis before me?

This isn't really a question for you but more your legacy because if you kill Dennis then you're going to be the night kill

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:06 pm @Neon if you're bored, why am I town?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 1:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:07 am

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:48 pm kicks thread violently
We need town consensus on sig and pyxxy. So @sig why dennis over pyxxy?
@Dennis why sig other than omgus?
Does anyone have strong reasons to town read pyxxy?
Does anyone have strong reasons to scum read sig?

There is zero reason to scum read Pyxxy at this time and plenty of reason to go for Dennis which I and others have consistently said.

At this point I’m confident he’s the last mafia member and if it isn’t him it’s likely SPF and that’s just because they’re still alive

seems clear from your catch-up so far that you havent read the post that i asked you to read tbh, since you're saying tha there is "zero reason to scumread pyxxy" as though i have not said those reasons multiple times

for example:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:10 am pyxxy

-it was kind of hard for me to come up with strong reasons to townread pyxxy in general

-pyxxy doesn’t have much of a visible progression on either seanzie or falcon. he was absent when seanzie got flashwagoned at the EOD1

-his shift from: “i find falcon scummy and think he’s in scum meta” to “im sheeping neon’s tr on falcon” on d2 is a bit abrupt, and it could very well be because seanzie died and pyxxy was trying to pivot away from having to distance from his other partner

-falcon and seanzie did not seem to interact with or acknowledge the existence of pyxxy much at all

the shift on falcon is the one that i find the most damning in particular - going from voicing serious concern and suspicion on falcon to abruptly deciding to sheep neon on falcon and then not talk about him again does not strike me as an organic progression

yeah it's honestly my biggest mistake in this game

Zenon just seemed pretty convinced that falcon was town

and honestly it felt like the way Zenon tried to defend Mac in Holes Mafia but like eh

I don't think my reads win this game :/

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:51 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:42 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:40 pm Okay so I'm top wagon which is CRINGE but I'm still struggling to see why I'm being voted, unless it is purely my votes being bad and looking bus-like(which admittedly they are)

If someone could put that into like one post or something, that would be great

Currently I'd be down to chop like, psv/pyxxy/six is kind of my remaining poe

mfw someone's gonna call this a slip when I mean I can understand the perspective

This is a slip

Why did you vote PSV ( I don’t know who you ended on at this point) if you think Dennis slipped

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 11:35 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:00 am

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 10:42 pm @Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls

Cool
Can you answer in non-GIF form?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 10:42 pm @Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:49 pm after that EOD I think I'm down to lock Dennis as town

and as is apparent by now, that makes Dennis the next nk *salutes*

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:09 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:21 am Hmmm. I'm intrigued by spf passing six but being worried about his flip. Could be tmi of his alignment...*shrugs*

well me not being confident is specifically because i dont have tmi

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:27 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:34 pm @Neon You still think it's me? What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to connect me and falcon as partners?

do u think that u and falcon are obviously not partners? why should i be clearing u rn?

and why do u think it's neon?

Falcon sheeped Neon by voting me D1 and D2. It's not impossible play for paired scum, but it's not optimal in a world where we just lost Seanzie.
Neon I'm not confident on but she was defending falcon, which I think is a good play given the early loss of Seanzie, throughout D2. She jumped on the Seanzie train pretty late.
I see what people are saying about her hellbus meta but she makes some sense as the last scum to me.

well if i wanted to counter this argument, i would say:

1. falcon didn't actually push you that hard in the first place. in fact, he said that you giving links to your mafia games on d2 was towny, and then he said he thought you weren't mafia with his main scumread (kate) at the end of d2

2. it makes sense for falcon to distance from his partner if he perceived himself as a likely elimination, and given the way that he was playing, it seems he did perceive himself that way

the actual reason why i think that you might be town is because the way you defended falcon doesn't strike me as the way that a wolf would treat falcon yesterday, and i think they would want to create distance from him instead of going out of their way to call him towny

i feel exactly the same way about neon, too. it's not about her having a meta of "hellbussing" (which i dont rly care about), it's more that her overall defense of falcon felt like it lacks TMI of falcon's alignment and is a weird angle for a wolf to take

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:11 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:29 pmOmgus

Right, I town read you D1 for the way you were perceiving my play, even though I'm not scum, and now you're dismissing it as OMGUS? Okay.