The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:13 pm I thought and read all night the same old tired thread that I have read way too many times this game.
I came to the conclusion that I feel like I want to trust Wiml bc they helped me get to Limey. I want to trust them bc only crazy players bus their only partner D 1. Is Wiml crazy? idk as this is our first game together.

I have seen it happen recently in a lot of games and I always find it quite silly. I mean their are only 2 why bus?? But you kids play diff than me.

Michelle/Epi I do see what you are getting at but I am scared I am trusting the wrong people. I am meaning this mostly to Epi as I *do* have a hard time reading them and ofc they know it. Michelle less so bc you tend to wear your towniness on your sleeve.

Wigly thanks for your response and I feel ya but the niggle is there and not going away.

Princess - I appreciate you and your thoughts on Epi/Michelle/Wiml. Are you sure enough about your read to hammer? Just a question - I am *not* asking you to do it.

I am guessing everyone is in a similar position.

Now we have added ExLight - welcome btw - I have a personal rule not to vote new players (to me or the site in general).
So you are out of my POE already and unless you do something super wild I do not see it changing, the person you replaced is a personal friend of mine and I do feel like I can trust that they were just busy.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:53 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:44 am I'll shield you Ex

i'll protect u too although I don't think you're at risk lol

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:40 am o i see now

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:38 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:01 am @_ExLight has replaced @Kate. Please do not discuss substitutions.

What the fuck Ex is here? What the fuck.

Heyyyyyyyy <3

hiiii <3
im everywhere
including wilgy's walls

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:38 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:01 am @_ExLight has replaced @Kate. Please do not discuss substitutions.

What the fuck Ex is here? What the fuck.

Heyyyyyyyy <3

lol, I was wondering if you'd enjoy this.

Please solve this slot for me.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:21 am I need an avatar
any characters recommendations?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:01 am @_ExLight has replaced @Kate. Please do not discuss substitutions.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:01 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:52 pm I wish it mattered... watching semis without being there hurts.

Fwiw as a past finalist and (technically) past jury member I really don't think those games are as important as they're made out to be. Champs things in general are severely overhyped on MU.

Champs progression favours specific playstyles more than others and there's a very small sample size so how highly you rank isn't necessarily indicative of how skilled you are.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:44 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:52 pm I wish it mattered... watching semis without being there hurts.

I think it does matter.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:17 pm Let's talk Abi. Your vote is on me. It shouldn't be.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:03 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:14 pm Ok caught up.

My thoughts have been all over the place today.

My read of Epi is based on I'm always wrong in my gut about him so I just call him opposite and move on and has been a pretty good strategy so far. So but says Epi us bad but brain says he's good.

My Wigly read is a bit shaky I was all good thinking he was town until---- he started posting. I can't help it. It makes me nervous.

My Kate read feels like I possibly made it on quicksand. I'm trying very hard to not suspect her I *know* for a fact that she is busy. But to not post at all? Not even a couple of quick reads? Idk,idk,idk. I feel icky just thinking she could be bad.

My Princess read is all vibe. I really feel they are town. I'm just vibing with their posts. I cannot seem to make you pop up to mention you but I have a question. What do you think of Michelle/Epi vs Wiml? Let's chat about it please.

Michelle and Wiml damn. I have to sleep on all I've digested in the last few pages. I really have you both as town now I have Epi and Michelle and their cases on Wiml.

If I go on gut I feel Wiml does come across as a bit cornered only bc they kept trying to shut down their investigation.

Princess please respond to my query.

I'm really sorry. I can't do any quick reads bc I haven't even read. I am so sorry. I never play this way and I would never use real life to cover my wolfness. This slot is civ. I've asked for a sub.

I'll see you all in a few weeks after Andrew is gone to school.

Love you all.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:14 pm Ok caught up.

My thoughts have been all over the place today.

My read of Epi is based on I'm always wrong in my gut about him so I just call him opposite and move on and has been a pretty good strategy so far. So but says Epi us bad but brain says he's good.

My Wigly read is a bit shaky I was all good thinking he was town until---- he started posting. I can't help it. It makes me nervous.

My Kate read feels like I possibly made it on quicksand. I'm trying very hard to not suspect her I *know* for a fact that she is busy. But to not post at all? Not even a couple of quick reads? Idk,idk,idk. I feel icky just thinking she could be bad.

My Princess read is all vibe. I really feel they are town. I'm just vibing with their posts. I cannot seem to make you pop up to mention you but I have a question. What do you think of Michelle/Epi vs Wiml? Let's chat about it please.

Michelle and Wiml damn. I have to sleep on all I've digested in the last few pages. I really have you both as town now I have Epi and Michelle and their cases on Wiml.

If I go on gut I feel Wiml does come across as a bit cornered only bc they kept trying to shut down their investigation.

Princess please respond to my query.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:05 pm [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:03 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:03 pm

Hombre you know why I can't clear you this game, as much as I'd like to.

Why can't you?

Fear

Do you fear Abi more than you fear me?

Yes

Wtf why I'm not even good ...

Appreciate the confession. [VOTE: PA] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:30 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 pm

Fear

Do you fear Abi more than you fear me?

Yes

Wtf why I'm not even good ...

You're amazing, don't undersell yourself.

I've lost like 2 of my 3 wolf Rands this year and got D1d in 1

I'm trashhhh

Don't say that, it's not true. You should think higher of yourself

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:25 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 pm

Fear

Do you fear Abi more than you fear me?

Yes

Wtf why I'm not even good ...

You're amazing, don't undersell yourself.

I've lost like 2 of my 3 wolf Rands this year and got D1d in 1

I'm trashhhh

I just lost 2/3 wolf rands this week and you carried my dumbass to victory in champs.

You're goat

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:03 pm

Hombre you know why I can't clear you this game, as much as I'd like to.

Why can't you?

Fear

Do you fear Abi more than you fear me?

Yes

Wtf why I'm not even good ...

You're amazing, don't undersell yourself.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:15 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:58 pm

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:51 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core

Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml

Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.

I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that

Epi is probs just a wolf.

GGs

Talk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?

I think my feelings for what happened D1 have been pretty on my shoulder and I don't really want to rehash it. I'm acutely aware that my emotional state can sometimes impact my reads negatively.

I am sorry for that, please note that I mean no harm to you personally and it's about game suspicion.


Mafia contains a lot of emotion and I've been highly emotional in games myself until I realised I shouldn't put at heart a game who is supposed to be fun.

You've done nothing wrong but thank you. I play mafia emotionally at my core because I find that I'm at my best when I'm like that. I dunno how to describe it. I wear my emotions openly and it's been good for me. But I also see how I can get tunneled off it.

I've been told that I can speak about this by the MU mods. Caitlin or OIx plays very similarly to me and if you read how her and Justin were treating each other in the semi final 1 that just got canceled... from a spectator pov I was shouting it was T v T and that read was right but if you put me and you in that position I'm suddenly scum reading you much like Cait was scum reading Justin.

As a bystander I can read the scenario right through empathy but when I'm in it I fall back on my own feelings and don't look at yours.

This is bad and I kinda feel like me v you this game is exactly what Caitlin v Justin was in that game.

I tried to avoid such things. It's sad...

I understand you consider you can read me based on the games we played (I don't think you saw me wolfing though) and you have a TR for that but the read is shaken because I suspect you.
I also think you understood why I suspected you so that shouldn't be an issue. But you voted me today because I started to suspect Wiml.

I wish an explanation for your town read on Wiml please

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:40 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:13 pm Any good Wilgy readers here want to talk about him with me?

Or anybody with a strong read on him really.

That doesn't exist.

I disagree and also your town and I believe that strongly. Get rekt.

I like this post. Made me laugh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:08 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:05 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:03 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:54 pm Now that proper PoE resolution has been thrown out for reasons, I think I'm at:
Kate > Abigail > Wiml > Epi > Michelle> Roxy.

I'd lose to Michelle or Roxy. Epi is hard because I have a perpetual bad read on the slot.

Bruh

Hombre you know why I can't clear you this game, as much as I'd like to.

Why can't you?

Fear

Do you fear Abi more than you fear me?

Yes

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:03 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:54 pm Now that proper PoE resolution has been thrown out for reasons, I think I'm at:
Kate > Abigail > Wiml > Epi > Michelle> Roxy.

I'd lose to Michelle or Roxy. Epi is hard because I have a perpetual bad read on the slot.

Bruh

Hombre you know why I can't clear you this game, as much as I'd like to.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:54 pm Now that proper PoE resolution has been thrown out for reasons, I think I'm at:
Kate > Abigail > Wiml > Epi > Michelle> Roxy.

I'd lose to Michelle or Roxy. Epi is hard because I have a perpetual bad read on the slot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:51 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core

Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml

Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.

I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that

Epi is probs just a wolf.

GGs

Talk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?

I think my feelings for what happened D1 have been pretty on my shoulder and I don't really want to rehash it. I'm acutely aware that my emotional state can sometimes impact my reads negatively.

I am sorry for that, please note that I mean no harm to you personally and it's about game suspicion.


Mafia contains a lot of emotion and I've been highly emotional in games myself until I realised I shouldn't put at heart a game who is supposed to be fun.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:40 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:13 pm Any good Wilgy readers here want to talk about him with me?

Or anybody with a strong read on him really.

That doesn't exist.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:38 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core

Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml

Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.

I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that

Epi is probs just a wolf.

GGs

Talk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?

I think my feelings for what happened D1 have been pretty on my shoulder and I don't really want to rehash it. I'm acutely aware that my emotional state can sometimes impact my reads negatively.

You're doing a good job there Abi (and I'm sure JJJ agrees as well).

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:11 pm Abi, any of your towncore reads that you would be able to explain for me?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:26 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol

Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.

Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

Mind explaining what you meant here Abi? Not sure I get it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:15 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:56 am Town Core

Wilgy
Roxy
Wiml

Probs Michelle is town and I'm letting earlier emotions get to me again.

I think Kate is less likely to play this way as wolf but I think Kate is unlikely to play this way as either alignment so I'm trying not to read too hard into that

Epi is probs just a wolf.

GGs

Talk to me more about the bolded please. Why the suspicion I have gives you emotions?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:25 am @DrWilgy @☆Princess Abigail☆ I know you are putting the effort in already but please continue to do so today as much as possible.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:11 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:02 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:16 pm What games we played @☆Princess Abigail☆?
The Champs game, sure, and how many other games?

A few I'm pretty sure but I don't remember specifics

It's the same for me. That's why I can't say I know how you play.
Would that mean the reverse is true and you don't know how I play?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:16 pm What games we played @☆Princess Abigail☆?
The Champs game, sure, and how many other games?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:22 pm Either way, stop hammering. It's foolish.

NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:39 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:11 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:32 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:21 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm Please don't quickhammer overnight, going to try to put some time aside to deep dive stuff today.

Why did you push for the hammer yday?

I have no intention to vote, nor do I know who I suspect more.

and I have no mental possibility to think much at mafia in the next 24 hours

On a personal level: I was too busy to do much more in depth solving + had low WIM due to threadstate (top scumread inactive is bleh) + thought the game was reasonably likely to end with Quin.

On a group level: basically everyone had supported the hammer and in stagnant situations like this not hammering often has a long term impact on thread WIM. (Technically you can argue that hammering early deprives solving time and is bad but in practice people lose energy and often don't regain that energy at critical moments later so better to trim time that isn't being used and us just draining morale).

I was also an advocate of not hammering for as long as I felt that people were going to use the time effectively but since people didn't seem to be needing that time I considered ~24 hours to be long enough and stated that I was happy to hammer if others were.

At pesonal level I said I can play in the next day.
You ignored the fact I implyed I need time and hammered when I still had time to post.

The rest of what you said is not helpful for town and you didn't even care to answer at my what if Quin is town idea because you brushed it off with generalities like you said above about momentum, WIM, draining morale and all.

Hmm. Vote: Michelle

I'm pretty doubtful that Michelle's a hit here.

Do you have much experience playing with her?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:22 pm Either way, stop hammering. It's foolish.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:12 pm ☆Princess Abigail☆ - possible TMIed villager by Brad, but also my first suspicion itg. I am not sure how her town play evolved because I missed a lot of games but a sense of pride on her solve feels genuine in her posts. Not clearing because she almost won the Champs qualifier because of good tone, so she is close to my Poe

DrWilgy - I said why I think he is a villager. Probably I didn't see him wolfing more than once, but his posts reminds me of villa Wilgy. Not enough to be 100% but I will reread the Iso. He accepted fast the Quin solve, that's a minus because he should know Quin better.

Epignosis - being the interaction with Falcon, I think Epi is also spewed villager. He also should know Quin.

Kate - I will trust Roxy and Jay's sixth sense on that. Not far from Poe because not active enough but also not in the Poe for me

Michelle - town

Roxy - like I said above, a wolf of old school rarely jumps to hammer. It's maybe the most villagery thing I saw in mafia.

Wiml - failed the vibe test, pushed for hammer at the middle of the day, has a bussing attitude towards Brad - the kind of thing I expect happening if the team is formed by both of them, Brad distanced from him very active.

These are my thoughts in this moment.
Honestly we are 6 townies. It doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, if we put our brains together we can solve the game

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:32 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:21 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:10 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:58 pm Please don't quickhammer overnight, going to try to put some time aside to deep dive stuff today.

Why did you push for the hammer yday?

I have no intention to vote, nor do I know who I suspect more.

and I have no mental possibility to think much at mafia in the next 24 hours

On a personal level: I was too busy to do much more in depth solving + had low WIM due to threadstate (top scumread inactive is bleh) + thought the game was reasonably likely to end with Quin.

On a group level: basically everyone had supported the hammer and in stagnant situations like this not hammering often has a long term impact on thread WIM. (Technically you can argue that hammering early deprives solving time and is bad but in practice people lose energy and often don't regain that energy at critical moments later so better to trim time that isn't being used and us just draining morale).

I was also an advocate of not hammering for as long as I felt that people were going to use the time effectively but since people didn't seem to be needing that time I considered ~24 hours to be long enough and stated that I was happy to hammer if others were.

At pesonal level I said I can play in the next day.
You ignored the fact I implyed I need time and hammered when I still had time to post.

The rest of what you said is not helpful for town and you didn't even care to answer at my what if Quin is town idea because you brushed it off with generalities like you said above about momentum, WIM, draining morale and all.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:28 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:19 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.

On the lime indeed

I couldn’t ping you with my question (i don't think I have the stars on phone) and I didn't notice your answer

Why do you town read me now?

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:57 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:44 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:18 am I want to check some things over in Abigail's ISO later but I'm at the stage where I'm maybe willing to towncore her as well.

Please do I'm bored talk to me give me something to do

It's probably a going to be a boring day phase tbh.

What I'm personally going to be trying to do is solidify my townreads to the point where I can confidently leave "the last wolf is in these four players" as a legacy and be correct.

I feel like I'm mostly there already but I'm just going to work on increasing my confidence on my solve really.

You feeling good about the last wolf being Quin or are you not confident on who the last wolf is yet?

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:18 am I want to check some things over in Abigail's ISO later but I'm at the stage where I'm maybe willing to towncore her as well.