The Syndicate

Any last questions for me before I go for the night?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:02 pm Hey Ran.

Not sure why you have Abi so high tbh. They've done two fifths of fuck all today.

I think her D0 was pretty good and I have her as town for that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:01 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:58 pm If Robyn flips town, someone's going into time-out
But I don't really believe it at this point
Don't do that. This was a team effort win or lose. All this does is sew anxiety.

Oh I know it was a team effort, I just had a sudden paranoia thought that we could still be wrong but I'm sticking with it anyway.

TIL that for some reason, my mafia rands on MU registered as "other" and not mafia rands
Maybe it was because they were mashes though

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:57 pm My activity level will go down for the rest of the phase, I may be able to check in a few times but don't expect me to be continuously present in the thread. The only reason robyn should be reconsidered is if the suddenly decide to show up and act obviously towny. In that unlikely scenario, I'd be fine with RBD as a backup but otherwise I'm happy where my vote is.

Yeah ofc
But I'm not gonna reconsider because I'm going to sign off soon too and I don't plan to check again

If Robyn flips town, someone's going into time-out
But I don't really believe it at this point

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:51 pm i gave the cover pre-game

Oh wait yeah, I remember that now

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:43 pm Skate Maid Enjoyers

Ranmilia - paid negative nineteen dollars for negative one chicken sandwich in a dream

Gira - If a wolf wrote #911 and #1022 I'm down to lose to it, and the pushes and heat here have been... weird and I suspect wolf action. Do not vote out Gira.

Mac - Hitting all the usual town notes both empirically and metawise, active enough to legit be self resolving. Never vote mac until xlo, 100% vote him at xlo if he's alive and we haven't won, etc etc etc.

Wind - Many many reasons wind is town and basically none why she would be wolf, I get her mindset a lot better now.

Abigail - I'm way less certain about reading this playstyle, but as far as I can see there's no reason to suspect her.

10 Hours of Silence Occasionally Interrupted By The First Four Notes of Megalovania

pyxxy - Don't love how they blew me off, but the thread got consumed by other stuff so we table this for now. I am still very concerned here, because this feels like the sort of "everyone has them mid" slot that A. has wolf equity and B. if not a wolf are at incredibly high risk for being pocketed by wolves, in part *because* town does not connect to them and thinks they have wolf equity and they feel suspected and isolated and so on. I encourage everyone to talk to pyxxy more and pyxxy if you are town, understand where I'm coming from... this is too long to really fit in a readlist but yeah more on this later.

Rondo - I haven't really looked into Rondo, beyond a surface take that they are being active and doing things that will cause others to react and that's baseline town and if not I can read other people's reactions, and also "they are getting in scraps with my wolfreads so that's a good look for now."

TSP - Alternates between "oh he's thinking about the game, seems fine" and "What? What?????" Firmly OR.

Willing To Vote

Naturally I doubt all 4 (5) of these are actually wolves. To any that are town, please, please, come back and help us; it is never too late to turn things around.

Dizzy - Still not really playing the game, only lukewarm takes and self professed "idk what's going on" worldview, refer to prev discussions.

tedxtr - Doesn't seem to be playing in a very towny way, tons of red flags regarding talking about mech, joking about wolfchat, knew there were multiple threads before the actual mech hit us... it do look like they have gots information they should not have. Also top mutual wolfreads with some of my other wolfreads so.

Bereft - Still playing riddles three and being deliberately antagonizing and unhelpful, which in my experience is a strong wolftell. Also in a three way pokemon type battle with robyn and ted. I can find reasons to vote the others over him but I wouldn't mourn this slot's death; I can't get much out of the (deliberately obscured) worldview other than wanting ted dead.

leetic - still hasn't really done anything besides aggro snipe at everyone and talk about mech a lot. I don't see a coherent worldview or drive to solve and help town. I get they're not on the table today and some folks are townreading them for meta or audacity but in my eyes this is just a wolf.

Robyn

robyn.

I vibe with your townreads
But have a lot of slots flipflopped in your meh?/wolf categories so at some point I'd love a discussion to see if I can understand what you're seeing and vice versa

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:46 pm The box of her things is getting burnt in a bonfire, I already know that much, even if I don't know that I personally will chuck it into the fire. Kinda done with having visions of them.

~ Bereft

Wait, if that's Robyn then who was the kewpie doll?
Sigh
Gonna have to do some sorting out eventually

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:43 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

back where I belong

Oh no

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:38 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:36 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:35 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:34 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:31 pm ah yeah glancing at your iso you have been going after Rondo since like ~36 hours ago

hm
A voter on my wagon, people

Is voting for me, doesn’t even know what i’ve been doing this game
Ngl I don't actually remember pyxxy's reason for voting you off the top of my head
me neither

but it’s a me problem!
jk

it's because I didn't buy your slank cover, since you got active and engaged after that in a manner that I found to be someone that just wanted an easier D1, which makes sense if you feel like you're always getting sussed (as any alignment?) D1 with nonsense wagons

it's not quite the same as faking townie entitlement but then I didn't like (initially) how you presented rondo's opinion of interpretting bereft. rondo is a known brake cutter and reading into bereft made a lot of sense to me, and you came across as not attacking the actual bereft case (please forgive me if you think this is a farcical statement) but instead going "how can anyone sus me because bereft is doing a gimmick", which is a different position to take, if that makes sense

now I think you're honestly presenting townie entitlement o7

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I can't remember anything about slank cover but that's one hell of a turnaround, spicy

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:32 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:31 pm ah yeah glancing at your iso you have been going after Rondo since like ~36 hours ago

hm
Why do you keep ignoring my questions?
And they continue to ignore me. They're talking to everyone else, so what gives?

Maybe just repeat your questions again in case they missed them

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:39 pm @tedxtr who has been townreading you?

I was townreading him until all the cool kids started saying he was sus

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:38 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:24 am I'm going back on Ted because I think Robyn/Ted wagons are a-ok to me at this point

[VOTE: ted] aubergine
The post where he voted for tedxtr, for context.

Oh ok, so there wasn't a specific reason on why he voted exactly Ted lol
Iirc I had moved from Robyn to Ted before pyxxy's vote?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:36 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:35 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:34 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:31 pm ah yeah glancing at your iso you have been going after Rondo since like ~36 hours ago

hm
A voter on my wagon, people

Is voting for me, doesn’t even know what i’ve been doing this game
Ngl I don't actually remember pyxxy's reason for voting you off the top of my head
me neither

Rip

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:36 pm It's time to drink more. Everything will resolve from here. I think.

~ Bereft

Insert "Kermit the frog drinking tea" gif here

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:34 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:31 pm ah yeah glancing at your iso you have been going after Rondo since like ~36 hours ago

hm
A voter on my wagon, people

Is voting for me, doesn’t even know what i’ve been doing this game

Ngl I don't actually remember pyxxy's reason for voting you off the top of my head

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:30 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:23 pm Rondo explain why you're sheeping Bereft on Robyn and ignoring myself, Gira and WWA being on them? What makes Bereft the better authority on this matter?
fucking hell mate. I have explained myself on bereft like 4 times now its in my iso. I am not ignoring you I tried to engage with you immediately and you proceeded to ignore me so I was just doing my thing with what little time I had. Whatever hype I had to see you and engage with you was killed D1. I dont know your cases for Robyn because I havent seen them so why would I say anything? I Gira and wwa being on Robyn means jack shit to me because I dont know their reasons.

And to state it ONCE MORE. Bereft might be cryptic but his world view matches mine so I am going to stick with what I know and vote with him.
The question is less why you're trusting him and more why you're trusting him and not a bunch of obvious townies.

And I didn't ignore you, I engaged you and you didn't reply to me.

If your argument amounts to Bereft's worldview matches with yours then you're saying you townread Robyn without his read? This seems like the ourobouros of reads.

Experience tells me that town would give at least a bit of consideration to a wagon on a slot they have no read or a weak read on, but a wolf would purposely choose to ignore the slot they want to push away from in favor of agenda pushing a misyeet. I'm seeing the latter, but if someone other than Rondo wants to tell me I'm drawing the wrong conclusion, I'm all ears.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:28 pm I'm not sure I'm enamoured with the fact Rondo is hyper aware of how everyone in this game has been reading him given how flippant he is otherwise being. That sort of vigilance is abnormal for a town with the playstyle of Rondo.

On that note, I'm a little skeeved out that he seems more aware of the game than he's letting on, and certainly more than he seemed to be aware of at first (granted, he did just sub in at that point, so he may have been legitimately unaware of what was going on regardless, but I gave him town cred for it at the time lol).

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:28 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:20 pm just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy
If Robyn is wolf Rondo looks much worse. If Robyn is town I think he looks quite decent.
With the way this conversation is going, yeah
If Rondo is town, then I'm not sure what he's trying to get at. It just feels like he's bantering with you for the sake of doing so while also trying to shovel people off the Robyn wagon and onto the Ted wagon.

Which brings me to a question for him... @RondoDimBuckle do you prefer Ted over Robyn because you think Ted has been scummier than Robyn, or because Robyn has displayed a lack of scumminess?
wait if I am a difference check with ted and town then @MacDougall get off Robyn and vote me with Ted

I'm gonna take your answer to mean that you're not really examining Robyn's slot and you're entirely focused on Ted.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:20 pm just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy
If Robyn is wolf Rondo looks much worse. If Robyn is town I think he looks quite decent.

With the way this conversation is going, yeah
If Rondo is town, then I'm not sure what he's trying to get at. It just feels like he's bantering with you for the sake of doing so while also trying to shovel people off the Robyn wagon and onto the Ted wagon.

Which brings me to a question for him... @RondoDimBuckle do you prefer Ted over Robyn because you think Ted has been scummier than Robyn, or because Robyn has displayed a lack of scumminess?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:13 pm Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions
Why tedxtr over robyn?
I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf
so can we vote this guy now? Cuz it has been incredibly hard for some reason
lol, mate, you obviously dont know me. I am obviously not suspicious to other people, maybe take a moment and think that maybe I am in my normal town range?

Leetic didn't seem to think you seemed normal earlier, lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:20 pm just kill this guy asap after robyn and give me all cred

and if robyn is wolf, kill dizzy

LOL

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:19 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:17 am
Spoiler: show
Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
2
14%
Voters: tedxtr, leetic
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
1
7%
Voters: pyxxy
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
7%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ranmilia
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
5
36%
Voters: Ranmilia, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, Gira, MacDougall
tedxtr
2
14%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Bereft
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
1
7%
Voters: robyn

after this

*is the shadow vote +1 modify in effect

I moved from leetic (1 -> 0) to ted (2 -> 3)
WWA moved from robyn (6* -> 5*) to ted (3 -> 4)
leetic moved from RondDubz (3*->2*) to robyn (5* -> 6*)
ted moved from RonDubz (2* -> 1*) to robyn (6* -> 7*)
Abigail voted for ted (4 -> 5)
WWA switched back from ted (5 -> 4) to robyn (7* -> 8*)
tsp moved from Abigail (1 -> 0) to robyn (8* -> 9*)

because I can see certain people already trying to pre-flip robyn and hey, I just want to help y'all do the work, because I'm a nice person

Thanks for this

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm If the secret votes are a wolf power, why would a wolf use it when it spews the victims as town? Sure, a wolf could lie about it, but that lie will most likely be exposed when the wolf role flips
well I know I am town and I know I have a +1 vote so I am less likely to vote on a fellow +1er

Ok, and if the +1 vote happens to be from a wolf, and wolves would be aware of it in this case, couldn't a wolf just claim a +1 vote on themself to obfuscate?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:13 pm Alright, I am at work and can kinda skim what is going on if people have questions
Why tedxtr over robyn?
I will try to take lunch early and give robyn an actual read but my main reason is that Bereft wants ted and I can get behind that because one of the three pushing me has to be a wolf

Look, I'm happy to buy the read that Bereft is town and possibly right on Ted, but I don't necessarily think that means Robyn is town. I think both are suspicious, Robyn a bit more so from my own reasoning as well as what others have said (whatever suspicion I have on Ted is honestly sheeped from multiple people I believe to be town, with little to no reasoning of my own), and I think they also have partner equity. So I'm fine with killing Robyn today and recalibrating on Ted tomorrow to see if my opinion holds.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:15 pm Guys can you get off Robyn and get on ted? You really think getting a +1 vote is scum indicative?

As of right now, it's not indicative of alignment unless someone wants to claim putting the vote on Robyn.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:07 pm I think these wagons somewhat imply Rondo is mafia too though because if he was town I think the mafia would have tried to put emphasis on him by now.
Could also apply this logic to Bereft and to a lesser extent Pyxxy.

That thought about Rondo also occurred to me when I was looking at the votes
Idk though, he's a bit chaotic to read so I'm not totally sure. But I think leetic is the only one who's put pressure on rondo so far, and leetic is almost definitely town, so you might be right. In fact, iirc more people put pressure on dubz before rondo subbed in. I wasn't really buying it at that point and idk what that says about me and my dumb reads, but the change in sus levels on rondo is something to note.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm Ted is not really a good choice today I think and like I don’t know what to do with Robyn but if we’re being forced into resolving it on our terms then oh well
Are there actually better options than these two, though?
Eh i xunno

I meant like if you thought there were scummier players, not if a wagon shift was in order (please don't do that lol)

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:02 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm 8/13 people are on the robyn wagon. The chances of that being pure are pretty low.
Although one bus and one being on tedxtr makes enough sense in a w!robyn world

Would that still hold true if both of them turn out to be wolves?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm 8/13 people are on the robyn wagon. The chances of that being pure are pretty low.

Oh I'm sure it's not pure, but by now anyway if Robyn is a wolf I would expect a partner to have gone for the bussing tactic since Robyn is not here to defend themself, probably lurking and trying not to say anything.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm Ted is not really a good choice today I think and like I don’t know what to do with Robyn but if we’re being forced into resolving it on our terms then oh well

Are there actually better options than these two, though?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:59 pm that’s because i’ve defended them when they were catching heat

Oh lol, ok then
I remember being confused earlier because I thought that defense implied that you were townreading them but you said you didn't have any particular read, but I guess you're just referring back to that since you have to self-pres regardless

Unless you meant, give you cred for misyeeting them
Which is funny as hell

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:57 pm i guess i’m missing the part in that post where im saying im villa reading them

Well, you said if they're a villa, give you cred?

I'm probably gonna dip for the rest of the day soon-ish cause I'm pretty tired.

I also prefer a Robyn yeet to a Ted yeet, not by as much as Gira and Mac prefer it, but enough to move my vote back to Robyn for the night. I wanted to follow Bereft's lead for a bit to see where it led, but I don't think I've gleaned any extra insight from what was said after I moved my vote. Still, I'll keep thinking on it.

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:16 pm [VOTE: robyn ] aubergine

just for self-pres since i wont be back. if they're a wolf dont give me cred. if they're a villa, give me cred.

I thought you said you didn't really townread them?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:00 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:38 pm Ted is the disco ball, Robyn is the kewpie doll, and I'm probably the not-anteater?

Anyway, I'm tying the wagons for a bit, aside from the extra vote on robyn. I'll be around for a while longer, so I can move my vote again if needed. I want consolidation because of the (claimed) extra votes to ensure that we don't end the day in a tie.
pretty sure even in a tie, someone dies
It will be chosen at random according to the OP.

Ah ok, thanks

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:38 pm Ted is the disco ball, Robyn is the kewpie doll, and I'm probably the not-anteater?

Anyway, I'm tying the wagons for a bit, aside from the extra vote on robyn. I'll be around for a while longer, so I can move my vote again if needed. I want consolidation because of the (claimed) extra votes to ensure that we don't end the day in a tie.
pretty sure even in a tie, someone dies

Normally, yeah, but I don't remember seeing tie resolution in the OP (mightve missed it, though). I've seen some weird things happen in other games where the tie mechanic was different.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:55 pm I feel like wolf Robyn is playing brinkmanship with me. Just silently hoping I reevaluate as I'm prone to.

Wolf!Robyn would probably be hoping that all the most vocal townies reevaluate, you included

Ted is the disco ball, Robyn is the kewpie doll, and I'm probably the not-anteater?

Anyway, I'm tying the wagons for a bit, aside from the extra vote on robyn. I'll be around for a while longer, so I can move my vote again if needed. I want consolidation because of the (claimed) extra votes to ensure that we don't end the day in a tie.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Huh, ok, thanks for the explanation.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:54 pm Right, the morning. I can't exactly rely on being mentally present in the morning, can I?

I take some of the objects and turn on a desk lamp. Maybe shining a light on them will help.

Lets start with the disco ball.

You really want the disco ball gone, huh?

I feel like Robyn has greater wolf equity than Ted, which is why I'm on Robyn, but I've seen some reasonable thoughts on why Ted could be a wolf, and I also think both of them might flip wolf.

I guess you're not sold on w!Robyn, though?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:23 pm Oh finally my internet is back!!!

Probably don't have the time/energy to do ISOs before EoD anyway but feel free to ask me for reads or opinions or just bounce stuff off me if you want

...as soon as I posted that, the network died again
Fml

Oh finally my internet is back!!!

Probably don't have the time/energy to do ISOs before EoD anyway but feel free to ask me for reads or opinions or just bounce stuff off me if you want

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:27 pm Also Ted and maybe others asked me about why I'm voting Robyn. I only saw that they wrote a really long self meta-ish monologue, and that is what I've seen them do as wolf before. And also, I don't think they have tried to interact with me and Robyn is like actually scared of me when they rand mafia (although this last point isn't very meaningfully actually none of them are).
ngl, don't really like this poast. doesn't feel real to me

legit chance it could be w/w /shrug

I could maybe see that tbh
But I liked some of Dizzy's earlier posts
I think

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:37 pm Or we vote someone from the other list \o/

The other list?

I should work on solving the rest of the game tonight before I sleep since I'll miss deadline

Also I've had no Internet at home for like a day so there's no way I'm going to do ISOs on a computer or anything (not like I do that often, but now you're REALLY stuck with my mobile posting)

But the question is then, if Robyn does flip scum, who's partnered with them?
I'm pretty solid on my townreads now that there's actually a consensus on them, at least from what I can tell (not unanimous but at least majority) and as I said before, I do not think pyxxy is partnered with Robyn so I'd clear him on a w!Robyn flip for sure. Maaaybe would reconsider pyxxy as PoE if Robyn flipped town.
TSP is also never partnered with Robyn and probably just town in all cases, for reasons I elaborated earlier. Robyn's alignment doesn't really affect this read, just seals TSP in as locktown if they flip wolf.
I would highly, highly doubt Bereft is partnered with Robyn. Would reconsider if Robyn is town but not really feeling like Bereft is scummy rn.
Ted I guess is a possibility but I'm not sure yet, since he didn't really give a definite read on Robyn. I'd probably have to go back and like through Robyn's iso but I don't feel like doing that before I see a flip.

Is it too early to preflip? I'm not sure what else to do, and tbh all of these are coming from association or anti-association reads I formed without looking for them, so even if Robyn were to flip town I think they're worth some consideration.

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