The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:10 pm For the record, I don't know where I stand with any of my reads anymore

Checked some Creature things in the night. He was not dooming about Brad. He usually dooms about basically anything, but especially chopping lurkers, or whatever the main wagon is

Reread MR and um idk
Also he explicitly asked me to vote Alison
Probably wouldn't do that if wolf with Brad

Brad basically didn't play, so fucked wolves over
Very easy to bus that

I wanted a new thread
And I want Michelle

I thought whatever the hell Brad was doing, probably spewed Creature as town. I know Brad said he was just messing around but it looked to me like he was just being rude to Creature for whatever reason.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:09 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:03 pm Town:
Michelle
Squidward Away
Lemonfairy
Nutella
DarlingMonroe
Rondo
Cape
if town alison is attacking town sabi, one of the two of us is on this list and he would be simping them

simple as

tbf he was hardly simping anyone. i think maybe DM? but usually he tries to get me to townread him and he barely even tried. he didn't interact with me pretty much at all until he put me in this list and then I voted him, and then he was like "oh too bad i just put you in my townlist" like ??? that's not really simp behavior and I know i'm not partnered with him. point being, he was in his deflated wolf game and not his simp for townreads game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:07 pm [VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

outed

that is definitely not the first place i'd go for suspecting a bus

Gotta go for now, probably if I return it'll be past deadline but we'll see

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:13 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:12 pmPlease give thoughts on Creature if you have any
No thoughts, haven't read sowwy

Ok
Would like to hear them if you have any later

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:11 pm
Davos wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:59 amArrr
Is this a post from a bot?

Well the title says it's a puppet account
By bot, I meant it isn't a separate player slot, but idk who it's tied to

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:07 pm Radishes posts feels like work. No joy
Kind of think he's wolf

But he won't be chopped today

Lime will be chopped
So hope he decided to screw wolves over and not town over
But kind of maybe doubt it
But also sure

Radish/Rondo interaction beep beep
Maybe
Don't know about Rondo otherwise tbh

I want to give Guillo the benefit of the doubt
But him tryharding and a couple of the things he's said
About me being good at mafia and pretending to not follow the game
Think it's slightly more likely he says it as mafia than town maybe
I think generally Guillo is motivated by showing competence
If he cares about being right and cares about catching wolves, he can be town
If he cares about someone going oh that was a well played wolf game good faking, he can be wolf
Maybe someone who has read his posts has an idea

Sponge says Nut and Michelle are town

Unsure if Nook has the right vibes actually, it's hrm

Hope the other thread gives Leetic a chance, cause they are easy to read over time
Read their ISO from D0 and it was more flat than usual, but the complaining was consistent with town games

That's about it. Have read very little tbh

Please give thoughts on Creature if you have any

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:04 pm Also dammit Squidward I just put you in my towns.
I'm actually checking something first before solidifying my vote

Ok nvm
I thought maybe Brad had a post restriction but now I just think he's RPing as whatever his flavor is

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:04 pm Also dammit Squidward I just put you in my towns.

I'm actually checking something first before solidifying my vote

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:01 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:00 pm My lynch order is prob at Lime Coke > Alison > revisit Dyslexicon/Master Radishes/nutella/Sabiplz
or look at the slankers DarlingMonroe/Davos/DrWilgy/NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Davos is a bot, I wonder what happens if we vote it

Lemme check something actually

I gtg soon too and probably won't be back for eod so gonna place my vote on Brad.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Brad, I'm sorry but I have no clue what you're trying to accomplish. Atp I think you're a better wagon than Alison for today.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:52 pm [VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

hmm
anyways i think this is a decent vote then, I am liking WWA more, thanks for your cooperation

Like LimeCoke isn't hitting any of his town notes and I don't think game ending jesters are very likely just from a "that's bad game design" perspective, not to mention it would be confusing from the split thread POV I think LOL

Yeah, sorry I was in a weird space where I think I was both not explaining correctly, and not reading correctly lol
Hopefully got everything straightened out now

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:35 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:27 pm mmm wind towny again lol
?
mindmeld on cape
but WWA said that i was towny after you called wind town, unless you were talking about a different mindmeld

I'm pretty sure I said you were towny sometime on N0 or start of D1
Either that or I imagined posting it and never actually did lmao

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:46 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:20 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 am Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.
I forgot to reply to the first question lol

Alison was less pushable than Nutella because I had already determined on N0 that Nutella felt scummier due to her response to me about falcon. Meaning I ranked Nutella as scummier than falcon, but also scummier than Alison. Alison was actually the one I thought was least scummy of the three because that take was based on how I perceived her scumread on me as coming from bad faith. She claimed that I was scum trying to pocket Sabi because I told people to get off Sabi's back, because telling someone they shouldn't sign up if they don't enjoy the game doesn't motivate them more to play. The point was not to make Sabi feel welcome; it was that rubbing dirt in people's faces just because they said they don't want to be here doesn't actually help anyone. It's pointless and it's rude imo. You can argue that playing a game when you don't want to be here is rude, too, sure. But I saw no need for multiple people to keep repeating that Sabi shouldn't play.

So Alison latching onto that by saying it's a pocketing attempt is either incredibly out of tune with what my intentions were, or it's scum looking for an excuse to vote me. I chose to believe the latter and Alison just continued focusing on me as her primary scumread. So I just figured I'm correct that she's scum trying to push me for dumb reasons. Her response to me about the nutella/falcon thing was more reasonable, so I backed off for a bit and gave it more thought. But I still do think she has scum equity, and now that I've looked at a bit more of Nutella's posts I'm less inclined to think she's scum over Alison.

Point is, reads change. They aren't at a hard ranking in my head because it's D1 and we have no flips. But those were my thoughts.
oh okay, i missed the whole falcon/sabi thing then, because i thought it was merely just the "im town" thing you were commenting on

Oh, yeah I did initially but I dropped it after people said falcon always does that and it doesn't mean anything

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:46 pm The Wind wagon is weird

Why is it a wagon?

Because I'm dumb and I can't read
Also because I was incredibly aggro earlier

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:41 pm Sigh..

Inb4 Brad is a jester and he just wants to win...
Yawn this is a big possibility

If he is a jester this game will serve as a good example as to why jesters are inherently unfun for every other player

I think I am the only person I know who plays like a jester only when I'm not a jester lol
I kinda don't think Brad is a jester, else idk how it would get balanced in the other thread. Two jesters in a game seems like a nightmare.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:38 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:07 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all
Lol me
What are your reads for this thread?
Still think Alison could be scum tbh
Nutella's posts make sense now with the context that I was tunnelling her for no good reason
I read Guillo's slot as mostly towny with a couple of strange posts, I haven't seen enough from Creature yet to be confident in that
I think you're town
I have a nullread on Rondo
I townread Cape
I'm slightly suspicious of Sabi but I kinda think they're right on Lime Coke
And I think Lime Coke is playing like frozen scum
I don't have reads on Wilgy, DM or Dizzy
I asked Lemon a question on her readlist and I haven't seen a reply about it yet, but I mightve missed it
when I said earlier that I had 4 scumreads who knew who they were, I fucked up and mixed up the player list and secret santa list, half of them went into each thread (falcon and sig were the two others, but in fairness I only had sig on that list because of the impression I got from two of their posts on N0)
Thanks!
The players you don't have a read on, did you ever play with them? (Rondo, DM, Dizzy, Wilgy)

Yes
Actually I think I only briefly played with DM, it was in Severance and we were in opposite threads until I died and ended up in their thread, and I had a post limit of 5 so it's not like I was able to interact much with anyone lol.
Also Master Radishes, never played with them before.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:33 pm Also a small part of me thinks wolf!Alison would try better than just let herself get wagoned D1 and do jackshit about it? It feels pretty low effort for her to just come up and say nearly nothing to being wagoned or bringing anything else to the table. Maybe if she was a wolf she would try to take a bit of the leadership?

Though I don't know how to read Alison at all and maybe this is just her breaking her wolf meta or something.

She was definitely biting back when I first voted her and she wasn't a wagon other than my vote there
So I wouldn't say she hasn't fought back at all but idk when the current wagon on her formed

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:29 pm The silly premise is that -- the argument that does exist for the idea of pressuring a zero poster is not that they are lurking the thread but that they have teammates in mafia chat who would alert them to their pressure and remind them to post. I do think that this is a silly premise that almost never comes up in reality. However, you did not even consider that and only assumed Lime would have to discover the vote on his own. Hence it could be that you know there's no chance Lime would have a wolf chat to notify him

Yes it's a stretch but occasionally minor perspective issues like this are legit
i think we've all randed mafia with afk teammates enough to know that pinging them in scumchat and go "yo you're getting run up" doesn't do anything. lol
this post reminded me of a thought I had

I feel like the low posters of night 0 are more likely to be wolf, like 10 posts under/or fluffing the entire time.

I just remember when I was in Battle of the Bands mafia as mafia, and this game was sort of nightless, but while town was posting content then, i was like "haha no im not gonna do that" like the entire game, and i feel like the same can be said for people participating in night 0 of this game, probably to a lesser extent but still.

I had that thought earlier, too, but then I dismissed it because in a game with 30 players I kinda doubt the entire scumteam would go afk

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:51 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:43 pm Towny:
Wwa
Creature
Nutella
Nook

Squint
Cape
Wilgz
Lemon

Scummy
Alison
Limecoke
Also Lime Coke didn't even post?
Brad's n0 reads were bad and him being 0 poster adds up to him being in his wolf meta.
@Sabiplz You said it here but maybe you meant posts just given you seemed confused on that.

Very tempting to push LimeCoke though because his posts since he's showed up have been pretty bad

So far he's said hi and not posted anything game-related
Which is not such a terrible opener from him, except that he zeroposted up to that point
Smells like frozen wolf, I'd jump on the bandwagon there tbh

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:20 pm Why is Davos voting nutella?

Idk
Could be a player here or could be from the other thread, as was suggested earlier if that's a possible game mechanic

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:12 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:06 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all
Lol me
?? But like, I never understood your point, even if I was outright telling you that I suggested/recommended you townread falcon specifically, what would be wrong with that? That's how giving opinions works
Because I thought you were telling me to townread falcon instead of calling falcon/Guillo unpaired
Which is like... idk where I even got that from, it didn't make sense which is why I thought it was sus lol
Cause when I said falcon/Guillo is unpaired I was implying that they weren't w/w but one of them could be

Anyway, this whole thing was completely pointless because there was no logic behind it lmao
But I mean if I did tell you to, why would that be bad
Because it wouldn't make sense in context
Like when you said in this thread that falcon is town and I should take the L, I didn't think that was scummy
But telling me to townread my scumread after I made an association read was weird because I didn't understand why you'd tell me to townread falcon and not mention Guillo
ok sure

my pov was just that falcon was towny and i thought guillo should be read independently of that and the unpairing was silly as a specific association anyway but i kinda see what you mean ig

The only reason I made that post is because Guillo was reacting so viscerally to falcon's posts
And tbh at that time anyway, I was leaning Guillo town and falcon scum
But Guillo had also made an earlier association post that caught a lot of flak, and I'm ngl I was in the mood to stir the pot by doing the same thing and waiting to see who commented on it
Sig, notably, commented on Guillo's pairing read but not on mine, which is why they were on my radar
And then they just scumread me after that so whatever lol

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:16 pm Like I'm actually confused that this is some big revelation when what you were pushing already didn't make sense to push

Because it was an association read and I interpreted that post as you focusing on only half of it

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:12 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:06 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all
Lol me
?? But like, I never understood your point, even if I was outright telling you that I suggested/recommended you townread falcon specifically, what would be wrong with that? That's how giving opinions works
Because I thought you were telling me to townread falcon instead of calling falcon/Guillo unpaired
Which is like... idk where I even got that from, it didn't make sense which is why I thought it was sus lol
Cause when I said falcon/Guillo is unpaired I was implying that they weren't w/w but one of them could be

Anyway, this whole thing was completely pointless because there was no logic behind it lmao
But I mean if I did tell you to, why would that be bad

Because it wouldn't make sense in context
Like when you said in this thread that falcon is town and I should take the L, I didn't think that was scummy
But telling me to townread my scumread after I made an association read was weird because I didn't understand why you'd tell me to townread falcon and not mention Guillo

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:07 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all
Lol me
What are your reads for this thread?

Still think Alison could be scum tbh
Nutella's posts make sense now with the context that I was tunnelling her for no good reason
I read Guillo's slot as mostly towny with a couple of strange posts, I haven't seen enough from Creature yet to be confident in that
I think you're town
I have a nullread on Rondo
I townread Cape
I'm slightly suspicious of Sabi but I kinda think they're right on Lime Coke
And I think Lime Coke is playing like frozen scum
I don't have reads on Wilgy, DM or Dizzy
I asked Lemon a question on her readlist and I haven't seen a reply about it yet, but I mightve missed it
when I said earlier that I had 4 scumreads who knew who they were, I fucked up and mixed up the player list and secret santa list, half of them went into each thread (falcon and sig were the two others, but in fairness I only had sig on that list because of the impression I got from two of their posts on N0)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:06 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all
Lol me
?? But like, I never understood your point, even if I was outright telling you that I suggested/recommended you townread falcon specifically, what would be wrong with that? That's how giving opinions works

Because I thought you were telling me to townread falcon instead of calling falcon/Guillo unpaired
Which is like... idk where I even got that from, it didn't make sense which is why I thought it was sus lol
Cause when I said falcon/Guillo is unpaired I was implying that they weren't w/w but one of them could be

Anyway, this whole thing was completely pointless because there was no logic behind it lmao

Welp
Now you all know that I've been pushing Nutella for absolutely no reason at all

Lol me

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:59 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:11 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:07 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:03 pm
It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).
ok
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off
I mean I don't think nutella's defense of falcon is clearing or anything. She could be mafia TMI-ing him too. In fact as mafia she is a TMI machine.

But my point is that I don't think the take was garbage by itself. I find nutella's posts to be generally townie and in line with town nutella.
yeah I've seen her spew TMI before as a wolf
maybe I should dig for more context. I just think it was weird she specifically told me to call falcon town when I wasn't townreading him, and if she'd read my posts she should've been able to figure that out. It felt like she was telling me to townread falcon without actually paying any attention to my reads, which is why it caught my attention.
What made you think she was telling you the Falcon read instead telling it to the class?
She replied directly to me and asked, since I posted that falcon and Guillo(Creature) were unpaired, why didn't I just call falcon town instead?
And I've been calling her out about it because I didn't townread falcon in the first place.
I thought the post in question was this one

Ok wtf
I don't know why I thought Nutella was directly replying to me there, she clearly did not.
That explains so much

I mean, yeah ok I should maybe not have replied to stuff when I was jetlagged and sleep deprived but usually I don't suck THIS badly at reading comprehension, I swear it's like I hallucinated my way through N0. Maybe I should just drop any and all reads based on that thread until I reread it.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:35 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:27 pm mmm wind towny again lol
?
mindmeld on cape

Ah ok

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:27 pm mmm wind towny again lol

?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:11 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:07 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:58 pm
I think falcon is obvious town too.

Not for saying I am town though lol.
do you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?
It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).
ok
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off
I mean I don't think nutella's defense of falcon is clearing or anything. She could be mafia TMI-ing him too. In fact as mafia she is a TMI machine.

But my point is that I don't think the take was garbage by itself. I find nutella's posts to be generally townie and in line with town nutella.
yeah I've seen her spew TMI before as a wolf
maybe I should dig for more context. I just think it was weird she specifically told me to call falcon town when I wasn't townreading him, and if she'd read my posts she should've been able to figure that out. It felt like she was telling me to townread falcon without actually paying any attention to my reads, which is why it caught my attention.
What made you think she was telling you the Falcon read instead telling it to the class?

She replied directly to me and asked, since I posted that falcon and Guillo(Creature) were unpaired, why didn't I just call falcon town instead?
And I've been calling her out about it because I didn't townread falcon in the first place.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:29 am Cape might be town actually.

I think he is
His posts read closer to what I see from him when he's genuinely trying to solve people than when he's scum and posts for the sake of posting

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:45 am Holy shit it's the Game of Chmapions!

You finally posted

I mean like I can't just read Rondo based off gut reaction, that would be stupid. Reading someone by "whenever their posts make me feel this way, they're probably scum" is a way to read, but it's a stupid way to read if there are other ways to gather more solid evidence one way or another.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:23 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 am Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.
can you give me an example of talking in circles on/about me? It would be nice to have an outsiders perspective
Talking in circles was not the right term, like WWA somewhat came to a conclusion on you, but

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:59 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:56 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:44 pm i think rondo and guillo are both town

i think the scum are more likely to be blendy and more cooperative, the people being loud and aggressive are prob town
Tell me more about your read on Rondo pls
Eh it's a very light one since I know he can do this as wolf too but he seems to believe what he's saying even if it doesn't always make sense to me
I don't believe scum Rondo can't back up his posts with confidence.
I've definitely seen him do it. I made the mistake of townreading him in Severance because he always wolfsided with his vote but he sounded like he believed his reasons to townread me. And he had TMI I was town, lol.

Im not really sure which way I lean on Rondo aorn because I've only seen a handful of his posts, but I should probably solidify an opinion later.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:09 am I don't really understand what Rondo is doing, but in my experience, I never understand what he's doing as town, and the only time I thought I understood what he was doing, he was scum lmao.

I should ISO him before the end of the day tho
I'm just reminding myself
I just felt very underwhelmed by WWA's analysis on you, especially since, and you can check this too, just about what feels like half of WWA's posts revolve around WWA's suspicion on nutella and the whole falcon thing, and has even revolved some of their reads just around falcon, like their read on Alison.

Like it feels not like WWA is legitimately trying to scum hunt, but just kind of try to bury a player while only looking really at like maybe a few people in good detail and kind of shrugging off the rest. To me it's scum behavior just because scum do not legitimately have to try to solve the game.

The recent nutella scumread retraction I am weary of.

That wasn't an analysis of Rondo lol
That was just me commenting that I'll sort him later
Like I wouldnt veto a wagon on him cause I have no read
But I will not call him towny either because he's doing things that make me react to his posts as I did when he randed scum. It's a small sample size so I don't trust myself to make a read on him yet. If you asked me for a GTH read I guess I could give one but it s at the point where I'd be very likely to change my answer once I feel like I have more insight.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:23 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 am Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.
can you give me an example of talking in circles on/about me? It would be nice to have an outsiders perspective

AFAIK I basically said I can't read you and left it like that

I said earlier I had a nullread on you, and that remains the case.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 am Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.

I forgot to reply to the first question lol

Alison was less pushable than Nutella because I had already determined on N0 that Nutella felt scummier due to her response to me about falcon. Meaning I ranked Nutella as scummier than falcon, but also scummier than Alison. Alison was actually the one I thought was least scummy of the three because that take was based on how I perceived her scumread on me as coming from bad faith. She claimed that I was scum trying to pocket Sabi because I told people to get off Sabi's back, because telling someone they shouldn't sign up if they don't enjoy the game doesn't motivate them more to play. The point was not to make Sabi feel welcome; it was that rubbing dirt in people's faces just because they said they don't want to be here doesn't actually help anyone. It's pointless and it's rude imo. You can argue that playing a game when you don't want to be here is rude, too, sure. But I saw no need for multiple people to keep repeating that Sabi shouldn't play.

So Alison latching onto that by saying it's a pocketing attempt is either incredibly out of tune with what my intentions were, or it's scum looking for an excuse to vote me. I chose to believe the latter and Alison just continued focusing on me as her primary scumread. So I just figured I'm correct that she's scum trying to push me for dumb reasons. Her response to me about the nutella/falcon thing was more reasonable, so I backed off for a bit and gave it more thought. But I still do think she has scum equity, and now that I've looked at a bit more of Nutella's posts I'm less inclined to think she's scum over Alison.

Point is, reads change. They aren't at a hard ranking in my head because it's D1 and we have no flips. But those were my thoughts.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:18 am Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.

Ok I take back my previous question a few posts up lol
I should finish reading before I reply more

I meant your posts in real-time when I was see I was you post felt OK. I didn't deep dive and I really don't have time rn cause my schedule is hectic and I don't think I'll actually get any ISOs done before eod like I thought I would earlier. But the posts I saw from you here in this thread, that I've read so far, feel like you're actually trying to sort out people's alignments and not like you're slapping words into paragraphs to look towny. During N0 I thought it was the latter, but I've changed my mind.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:29 am #317night0

@WindwardAway

this is one of the most pointless questions of my life but i just have to know, how do you tinfoil someone in a masonry? They are literally mason and not neighbor right? which means they would be confirmed town?

Sorry for this question, I was reading up on you and didn't want to include this LOL

Oh my bad
it was a neighborhood but on that forum they just call them unconfirmed masonries lol

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:56 am i at least have good reason to have no energy right now, this thread is just not moving

anyways here are thoughts that i have, eat it up before i die or something

DarlingMonroe - POE just because they haven't done anything yet, i mean they pinged limecoke fwiw I suppose?

Creature - Thought Guillo was really towny, I think Creature's entrance has been ~fine, would like to know about their alison read later on. Guillo was pretty easily my top town.

Rondo - I think his thought processes this game... almost mirror his town game, but he's not there yet and FMPOV I just think he's setting up for later. I notice as wolf he's kinda like a diet version of himself and I think the thought processes in terms of how he has handled me this game feel unnatural, as wary as i am that this could just be rondo doing his thing idk. I am pushing there with the caveat of knowing i am gonna be omgused to hell and back.

Michelle - Sees what I see in terms of Rondo to an extent, Guillo is calling Michelle town here and I trust that judgement, already townier then they were in Ted Lasso to me where they were literally just floating in the null zone for me. I feel like Michelle is very observant on little things as town which she is demonstrating here.

Master Radishes - I think the push on me off of nutella and then accusing me of trying to pocket nutella is a rand>w thing to say.

NANOOK - He feels like spec chat LOL. IDK what that means rather then his reads are a bit shallow, but I find him townie at the same time, kinda liked his progression on Michelle today.

Alison - I thought the night 0 vote on Abigail was weird but not scummy. Posts night 0 feel a lot like Alison very openly outlining a thought process, very preflippy and kind of stuck on the same page. I have mixed opinions on the way Alison went about her day 1. I don't know that much about Alison to determine whether this whole preflipping thing is a play style thing or scummy for Alison, if any of what i said raises alarm bells, you can pursue that later i guess just because it's towny for some players and wolfy for others, thats all i know. I am not tracking their thought process on her suspicion of Dizzy. #126 i find to be a bad post by alison because i feel like it's almost trying to play "shade as many people as possible".

Sabiplz - mmmmmmmmmmmmmm... kind of towny? You know I at least see the Alison thing. Kind of like Sabi's read on Creature. I don't like Sabi softballing on me when they have not talked about me at all in a towny light, like said i was towny for any particular thing, and they have also shaded me twice for having a townread on them and with all that, they haven't really committed to scumreading me in the way they have scumread others, and I am sitting here wondering like "why?"

Lemonfairy - Think Lemon's handling of me has been slightly weird, but kinda towny today, Like with their post talking about how they wanted to throw master radishes into their town reades, but then a post later says like "never mind". I found #479 to be a bit sus when it comes to how I perceive it, #483 too, just because it felt... too correct to me? IDK, still kinda lean Lemonfairy town, but with more hesitation then before.

You had thoughts on me earlier, you didn't have anything new to add?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:24 am I just made Alison the top wagon I guess
I see Cape was previously tied
Thought his posts seemed OK so far but I didn't read all of them yet

I should say, in this thread
I vaguely remember thinking one or two of his posts in the N0 thread felt scummy but I haven't gotten that impression today
And frankly, my reading comprehension has been totally unreliable up until now, I realized at some point that I mixed up the player list and the Secret Santa list in my head somehow and kept wondering why there were no posts from a bunch of people, but apparently it's only Brad who hasn't posted here and is supposed to be here.

I just made Alison the top wagon I guess
I see Cape was previously tied
Thought his posts seemed OK so far but I didn't read all of them yet

Actually idk why I unvoted, I could just move my vote instead.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:11 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:11 am Watch me change my reads a million times and still be wrong on all of them lmao
This is the way

I recently discovered that my reads are only accurate if I'm mislunched D1 these days

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:11 am [VOTE: ] aubergine

Unvoting because I'm increasingly doubtful that Nutella is scum as I thought earlier
Watch me change my reads a million times and still be wrong on all of them lmao

Did that actually unvote

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: ] aubergine

Unvoting because I'm increasingly doubtful that Nutella is scum as I thought earlier
Watch me change my reads a million times and still be wrong on all of them lmao

I don't really understand what Rondo is doing, but in my experience, I never understand what he's doing as town, and the only time I thought I understood what he was doing, he was scum lmao.

I should ISO him before the end of the day tho
I'm just reminding myself

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:03 am lol good luck to anyone who ever plans to push michelle this game

i have her more locked in than sig atp

She's town, I already saw enough from her that I'm fairly confident

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