His vote may have been reluctant, but he distanced by saying he was pro-falcon-wagon. He was still vocal about it, even if he didn't actually move to bus falcon until it was close to a done deal. I see your point, though.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:09 pmI want to contest the idea that Ricochet wanted to lynch falcon. To be fair, I made this mistake before, but Ricochet only voted falcon after there were like seven people on the wagon and he only did it after throwing shade at all the falcon voters. Sure, he had falcon as the wolfiest between them, DM, and Lemonfairy, but when you consider that Lemonfairy was also partnered it makes sense to put the townie in the middle. I believe Ricochet's falcon vote was a reluctant move.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:11 pmOk so here's the first thing. Rico hedged a LOT on leetic here, but in fairness, I don't know what happened in the West Facility so I'm missing a bit of context from earlier. His read on me is here too, if either of you want to look at it. He wrote no such readlist including Delta, but he wrote an earlier one before this including Lemon and falcon so I'm gonna compare it below.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.
Wagoners*
* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear
falcon
Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either
sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine
Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag
Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.
Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now
leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.
DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.
Distanced/bussed falcon and hedged on Lemon. Note that it was probably easier for Rico to slip out of reading Lemon because they were split for two days. He did the same to DM, who was town in the other thread.Spoiler: showRico has this side mentioning of Delta by way of focusing on Epi's treatment of them, and without directly giving a read on Delta here. It's like Rico is gearing to push Epi on the basis of not following through on Delta, which I kind of think could go either way on Delta. The next mention of Delta is more direct, though.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:32 pm Epignosis wrt Delta pauses me a lot toDay.
He was chief detective on case-making Delta D2 wrt pyxxy interactions (lifelining him intermittently and starting what proved pyxxy's counterwagon chance). The thing about too many townreads was also a point.
Then the Delta wagon fizzled through.
And now Epignosis comes into the merge with just that one point about the townreads.
"I didn't even process Delta toDay" is a very odd thing to say about a teammate. I mean, yes, it can be faked, but the wording is more specific than that because Rico is saying he forgot about Delta, but still hedging on the slot. This comes more often from wolves on town, than wolves on their partners.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm I'm le tired.
I didn't even process Delta toDay.
Only note I had was that they noted Davos's drive-by vote on Lemon. No input.
Delta was my main pyxxy teammate profile, though. In that regard, I melded with Epig's D2 case. Signs of lifelining pyxxy into playing better and creating a cushion for a feasible counterwagon, till it proved too late. Could be.
Emoji post ^Spoiler: show
And interestingly enough, the first time Rico interacts directly with Delta in the thread is when he's (supposedly) under post restriction. I'm not going to try to make sense of it right this second because I have a headache and trying to decode emojis isn't really helping, but it's some food for thought.
How much did Rico interact with Delta in the West thread? It sounded like there was a push there, but what about direct interactions?
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And another emoji post, this time reactions to leetic. Again, it's the first time Rico has interacted with leetic directly in this thread. How did it look over in West? (I feel like a broken record, repeating questions like this, I'm sorry lmao)
Man, this is so tediousSpoiler: show
Here's Rico's emoji reactions to me in case you guys wanna see it. He did talk to me directly before the emojiposting, though, when I asked him to give reads and he spit out those readlists I quoted earlier.
I think from Ricochet's ISO I lean slightly more town on Delta, because of the way it seemed like Rico tried to keep suspicion on the slot more consistently than on leetic, but he didn't push to yeet Delta the way he openly advocated to kill falcon. That sort of backhanded pushing is more likely on town.
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I poked at Lemon a bit in East but you can pretty clearly see the continuation of it in this thread, and my vote didn't stay on her long enough for a permanent wagonWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:02 pm As for me, idk if I really have much of a defense, I can tell you that in East thread I mostly pushed Alison and Nutella at the start, then reversed my Nutella read, happily wagoned Brad, and misyeeted Alison.
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I wanna look again at Epi's and nutella's readlists
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As for me, idk if I really have much of a defense, I can tell you that in East thread I mostly pushed Alison and Nutella at the start, then reversed my Nutella read, happily wagoned Brad, and misyeeted Alison.
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I'm sure the arbiters had to shift gears after falcon flipped, but the thing is that if they intended to send someone to go deep, it would likely have been Rico, who apparently went so deep that he got NK'd lol. Unless that was just a super good vig shot.
Cause I'm guessing they didn't really expect Rico to die before Lemon, and as I said earlier, I thought Rico was one of the most ignored players from the West Facility because almost nobody was talking about his slot. I feel like it would be weird to also have Delta in that position, where Rico was mostly townread and Delta was mostly scumread, but both were treated as if they were background characters in this thread.
Cause I'm guessing they didn't really expect Rico to die before Lemon, and as I said earlier, I thought Rico was one of the most ignored players from the West Facility because almost nobody was talking about his slot. I feel like it would be weird to also have Delta in that position, where Rico was mostly townread and Delta was mostly scumread, but both were treated as if they were background characters in this thread.
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I guess my biggest question is, how likely is it that all of the Arbiters decided to avoid interacting with their last partner?
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Lemon
She interacted with me and talked about me plenty in this thread, so whole I can't quote stuff from East you have that to go off of (and also N0 if you really want, but you probably don't lol)
So far her other partners have flipped in the all right/mid tier of her reads. Question is whether she does that to all three of her partners, or if she spices it up by moving one of them. Her entire readlist here is hedge, unfortunately then again she had a whole load of unsorted reads that were all "could be scum" in East thread and I got on her case about that, coupled with her seeming reluctance to be in the thread. She was more active once the threads merged here, possibly because she had all her partners available. But also possibly because of irl timing, it's whatever.
But what I'm seeing is that she formed her readlist on East thread based on whom she interacted with and how much, and she didn't really make an effort to interact as much with people from the West here. She kept pushing the idea we should vote within our own facilities the first day here, and obviously it was to her advantage considering falcon was a wagon. I hindsight that's funny, I remember lemon also becoming a wagon that day so basically we had w/w wagons, both arbiters. But by pushing that view, she would've been encouraging her partners to bus falcon instead of her. In the end, the votes didn't spread perfectly evenly since we had people from East voting falcon and I don't remember who was still on Lemon at eod.
Considering she just kinda went, "oh well, guess my reads on West Facility didn't really matter" after her partner falcon flipped
It's in response to leetic's post about Wilgy
Leetic cases TSP, Lemon defends. Not sure if leetic asks a partner to join them in their suspicion of a townie. This one gets a town point.
Feels unpartnered
She probably hoped nobody would ever reconsider hunting in West lol
She interacted with leetic a lot more than with Delta (read: never), and I feel like the interactions with leetic didn't really seem partnered. She gave a weak read on Delta early on and then just... never revisited it at all. It's super weird. She had the guise of stating that there shouldn't be any more wolves in West, which left her free to ignore her partner there. And Delta fits more with that description than leetic does.
Gonna need to sleep on this, and hopefully find some time between the chaos tomorrow to give this another go.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
Imo this is a super obvious copout to talking about any of her partners. Focused on giving reads on East, petered out before mustering the energy to post about West.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:33 pm I'm going to try to speed ISO people from the West and see but I still think we should vote within our own facilities at least for today.
She interacted with me and talked about me plenty in this thread, so whole I can't quote stuff from East you have that to go off of (and also N0 if you really want, but you probably don't lol)
Leetic asks Lemon for her West Facility reads, and the only one she gives is Sloonei (who flipped 3p, so not partnered).Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:36 pmuhhh probably Slooneileetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:34 pmIs there anyone from my side of the thread that stands out to you?Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:32 pm Going to try to finish up what I did yesterday but I'm not in the mood to go in as much detail for the explanations.
Cape - Generally vibed with reads. Feels like they have been reading my posts. Similar to town Cape I've seen in the past.
Sabi - Never really vibed with Sabi's reads. Didn't pay much attention to them either. Skimmed through ISO and think they could be wolf. I did think their post about thread being boring and hoping someone will stir the pot was kind of towny but it's not something solid I can lean on.
Master Radishes - Hmmm Radishes is actually OK. Next.
DrWilgy - Wilgy's ISO is not as bad as I thought it would be TBH. The frog noises tickled me. This is more of a tone read though.
DarlingMonroe - Not a lot of reads. Not feeling the tone either. Could be wolf.
Would probably order like so:
Cape
Master Radishes
Sabi
DrWilgy
Darling Monroe
If I added everyone else:
Cape
Windward
nutella
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
Nanook
Sabi
Darling Monroe
IDK how I feel about this but it is what it is.
probably tainted by OMGUS but gut take is like nullscum level
Lemon didn't make a thorough wallpost on her West takes like she did for East. Delta lands at the bottom of her West Facility readlist and her read on them is kinda hedgy. Leetic lands in the middle of the list and her read feels more dismissive than it is of Delta.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.
Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail
Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo
leetic
Tony
sig
Delta
Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.
So far her other partners have flipped in the all right/mid tier of her reads. Question is whether she does that to all three of her partners, or if she spices it up by moving one of them. Her entire readlist here is hedge, unfortunately then again she had a whole load of unsorted reads that were all "could be scum" in East thread and I got on her case about that, coupled with her seeming reluctance to be in the thread. She was more active once the threads merged here, possibly because she had all her partners available. But also possibly because of irl timing, it's whatever.
But what I'm seeing is that she formed her readlist on East thread based on whom she interacted with and how much, and she didn't really make an effort to interact as much with people from the West here. She kept pushing the idea we should vote within our own facilities the first day here, and obviously it was to her advantage considering falcon was a wagon. I hindsight that's funny, I remember lemon also becoming a wagon that day so basically we had w/w wagons, both arbiters. But by pushing that view, she would've been encouraging her partners to bus falcon instead of her. In the end, the votes didn't spread perfectly evenly since we had people from East voting falcon and I don't remember who was still on Lemon at eod.
This is a stinky postLemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:28 pm ig it's confirmed multiball now
and my reads are bad
but that's ok because I didn't spend much time making that list on West people anyway
Considering she just kinda went, "oh well, guess my reads on West Facility didn't really matter" after her partner falcon flipped
Direct interaction with leetic, doesn't tell me muchLemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:37 pmtbh my wagon was the silliest thing I've seen in a while
It's in response to leetic's post about Wilgy
Actually, it looks like Lemon is making a dismissive excuse to leetic here, it feels less likely to be partnered.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:45 pmjust felt like I had more business voting for people I've spent 3 days with than people I took cumulatively 20-30 mins to ISO and orderleetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:47 pm Hedges on falcon (then again, not only player they hedged on and TRs Abby. Abby's vote on them does look good on them being unpaired. It's a little odd how they ignored the huge falcon wagon, then again they were pretty insistent on voting someone from their own side.
In response to me, Lemon says leetic's posts (on falcon?) aren't bad. She doesn't go into detail on this.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:48 pmhaven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case postsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:44 pmFair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?
ig leetic's were not bad either
Quoting this because I think it's relevant to the previous quote. Lemonfairy just said that she liked Epi's and leetic's cases on falcon but also agrees that the team must've bussed (we now know that Rico bussed but Lemon did not). Kind of strange that she doesn't really push on this point, even though she could.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:27 pmwith so many people on him, yeah, they probably bussedWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:53 pmOk, thanks for sharing.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:48 pmhaven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case postsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:44 pmFair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?
ig leetic's were not bad either
Do you have any thoughts as to whether someone on falcon's team bussed him or if his partners stayed off of his wagon?
I mean, if he was going to go over anyway, why not get the cred?
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:45 pmok, but isn't that too blatant to be w/w?leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:33 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is townTSP was hard defending falcon all day. I think I've already pointed out how questionable the third post is.
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:45 pm unless you're thinking they're deliberately being too blatant to come off as that and not w/w
Leetic cases TSP, Lemon defends. Not sure if leetic asks a partner to join them in their suspicion of a townie. This one gets a town point.
Leetic points out that DM probably isn't partnered with falcon and Lemon discounts it as antispew
Feels unpartnered
I shouldve thought about this a lot earlier cause it's such an easy way for her to let her last remaining partner slip through the cracksLemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:05 pm wow nice kill on Ricochet
there's probably no more wolves from the West side, right?
there could be another 3p though
also didn't expect Cape to be 3p
I was technically right in reading Cape as not mafia
She probably hoped nobody would ever reconsider hunting in West lol
She interacted with leetic a lot more than with Delta (read: never), and I feel like the interactions with leetic didn't really seem partnered. She gave a weak read on Delta early on and then just... never revisited it at all. It's super weird. She had the guise of stating that there shouldn't be any more wolves in West, which left her free to ignore her partner there. And Delta fits more with that description than leetic does.
Gonna need to sleep on this, and hopefully find some time between the chaos tomorrow to give this another go.
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now
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Ok so here's the first thing. Rico hedged a LOT on leetic here, but in fairness, I don't know what happened in the West Facility so I'm missing a bit of context from earlier. His read on me is here too, if either of you want to look at it. He wrote no such readlist including Delta, but he wrote an earlier one before this including Lemon and falcon so I'm gonna compare it below.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.
Wagoners*
* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear
falcon
Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either
sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine
Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag
Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.
Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now
leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.
DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.
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Rico has this side mentioning of Delta by way of focusing on Epi's treatment of them, and without directly giving a read on Delta here. It's like Rico is gearing to push Epi on the basis of not following through on Delta, which I kind of think could go either way on Delta. The next mention of Delta is more direct, though.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:32 pm Epignosis wrt Delta pauses me a lot toDay.
He was chief detective on case-making Delta D2 wrt pyxxy interactions (lifelining him intermittently and starting what proved pyxxy's counterwagon chance). The thing about too many townreads was also a point.
Then the Delta wagon fizzled through.
And now Epignosis comes into the merge with just that one point about the townreads.
"I didn't even process Delta toDay" is a very odd thing to say about a teammate. I mean, yes, it can be faked, but the wording is more specific than that because Rico is saying he forgot about Delta, but still hedging on the slot. This comes more often from wolves on town, than wolves on their partners.Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm I'm le tired.
I didn't even process Delta toDay.
Only note I had was that they noted Davos's drive-by vote on Lemon. No input.
Delta was my main pyxxy teammate profile, though. In that regard, I melded with Epig's D2 case. Signs of lifelining pyxxy into playing better and creating a cushion for a feasible counterwagon, till it proved too late. Could be.
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And interestingly enough, the first time Rico interacts directly with Delta in the thread is when he's (supposedly) under post restriction. I'm not going to try to make sense of it right this second because I have a headache and trying to decode emojis isn't really helping, but it's some food for thought.
How much did Rico interact with Delta in the West thread? It sounded like there was a push there, but what about direct interactions?
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And another emoji post, this time reactions to leetic. Again, it's the first time Rico has interacted with leetic directly in this thread. How did it look over in West? (I feel like a broken record, repeating questions like this, I'm sorry lmao)
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Here's Rico's emoji reactions to me in case you guys wanna see it. He did talk to me directly before the emojiposting, though, when I asked him to give reads and he spit out those readlists I quoted earlier.
I think from Ricochet's ISO I lean slightly more town on Delta, because of the way it seemed like Rico tried to keep suspicion on the slot more consistently than on leetic, but he didn't push to yeet Delta the way he openly advocated to kill falcon. That sort of backhanded pushing is more likely on town.
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Off the top of my head, though, I saw that Rico claimed he forgot that Delta existed for a day, so that was noteworthy in the sense that I don't think teammates usually just forget about each other lol
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
That's incorrect, I didn't comment on the falcon post because falcon had *no* interactions at all with Delta. Rico on the other hand mentioned Delta a couple of times, mainly in context of their wagon in the West. I'm trying to rewrite and requote what I had, but I'm on my phone so sorry for the slowness.
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Noooooooo I have to write it again???
oh man, I ISO'd Rico for all leetic and Delta interactions and apparently deleted all of it except that last part, how embarrassing
Lemme redo it sorry
oh man, I ISO'd Rico for all leetic and Delta interactions and apparently deleted all of it except that last part, how embarrassing
Lemme redo it sorry
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Fuck where did the rest of the post go
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- Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:27 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 3]
Falcon
This is falcon's only interaction with leeticfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:44 amleetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:26 pmSig was CW to Porscha. I'll have to reread everything though. I didn't expect the Seanzie NK, so might have to look over his reads.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:24 pmoh huh alright then
was there counter to porscha
anyone look bad
Who did you think would be NK'd?
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yes sureDelta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:21 pm it doesnt take into account everything, just to highlight a disparity
can both of you run through the flipped arbiters' posts here and try case the other off of them? I'll do so myself as well but I do want to focus on partner interactions since this was a team that came into the thread with every wolf alive, so there is more there
I believe leetic already cased me off the arbiter interactions today btw
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Well, that's the whole thing about Lemon just not really interacting with people in the East thread. I do have a feeling that the thread merge was triggered by something and not predetermined to be D3, and I believe the trigger might have been death count. So I do believe that, if Lemon had died in East thread, the threads would've merged the day after. Of course, that's also setup spec, but I'm sure I saw the hint in one of the host posts. So I do think there was a way around that issue for the arbiters.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:16 pmThere's still quite a distinction between one team having one more and one team having two more. Further, if there was only one arbiter in the thread there was a chance that the entire team could have missed everything that happened D2 in that thread, and that's another consideration. Plus, it leads to a level of bastardry – would they really have a team wolf with no partners? It would make any partner analyses, which many people use here, completely useless.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:13 pmBut there's a disparity no matter how you frame it. Landlords already had one more in one thread. Mech discussion has been closed, and I believe the arbiters had some form of mech compensation since they didn't have a puppet.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:17 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm gonna try to leave the work event before eod tomorrow btw
I mean I doubt it'll go THAT late anyway, but I will probably be drunk which means I'll be able to real-time but probably not want to sift through the thread looking for stuff
So I'm trying to finish that now before I go to sleep
I mean I doubt it'll go THAT late anyway, but I will probably be drunk which means I'll be able to real-time but probably not want to sift through the thread looking for stuff
So I'm trying to finish that now before I go to sleep
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:15 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah but landlords being at an advantage in one thread and disadvantage in the other thread is reasonable imo. I'm not viewing the 1:3 split as a disadvantage for arbiters because I think it's likely there was something to compensate for it. Landlords having the advantage in my thread and equal footing in yours isn't evenly balanced, either.Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:12 pmleaning wind on the basis of the idea of lemon being alone never really being a topic until now, when I feel like it probably shouldve been if true. plus the whole 1:3 split for arbiters feels punishing, moreso than maybe what it should be considering landlords were the one with an additional head in the game, if you'd count davos as that.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:10 pmIf EoD was in two minutes, who would you vote?Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:09 pm;_; I do apologise, been a series of unfortunate events & other things that are my fault
this is the first f3 ive been part of and being handed hammer - its not really hammer but theres the cross there so it does feel like it comes down to me - is terrifying so I want to be thorough, both from a mech standpoint and a reads one
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
But there's a disparity no matter how you frame it. Landlords already had one more in one thread. Mech discussion has been closed, and I believe the arbiters had some form of mech compensation since they didn't have a puppet.
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 7]
I would definitely not bet the game on there being no NK, it's way too riskyleetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:05 pmHm, an interesting possibility. Still not one I'd bet the game on since we know little about the game mechanically, and I don't think there's a no lynch option anyway. The thing we have to consider about any night kill is that we don't know about any vigs/redirectors/etc.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:02 pmWait a secondleetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:59 pmThere are a couple of holes in this case. Number one, Epi died tonight, and he couldn't have been killed by the landlords. If I'm the arbiter and kills are alternating I could not have killed sig.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:18 pmsig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:02 pm I could see whatever mafia team killed Nutella to have a member in the East than the other team to have someone in the West.
This would mean WWA/Wilgy still have mafia potential.
Epi doesn’t make sense as mafia for either team right now given that he’s encouraging we look at both areas.sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players leftI've been reading through D7 again and Sig's reads caught my attention againsig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:11 pm Or I guess it could be delta, but they read very genuine as a lost civ, Epi seems to have been hunting both team evenly, and I guess that leaves WWA.
Now the big reason to suspect Leetic is they seem to have really slowed down and take a back seat. I also find the way they’re pushing Nutella read post death to be a bit scummy.
I’m open to hearing other thoughts, buuuuut given I literally don’t have a town core anymore I prob won’t listen
I said yesterday that I didn't see Wilgy making the Sig kill except maybe for one post above these quotes, where Sig said Wilgy was pretty towny but also probably was a wolf anyway.
But looking at these reads again, they also point to the possibility that leetic could've killed Sig. I'm certain Delta couldn't have killed Sig because of their missed votes, and I think Sig's leetic take is notable, given that leetic and Wilgy had been pushing each other all day. Of course this still could've been a Wilgy kill, but either way I think leetic/Wilgy being wolf vs wolf in the thread is a pretty striking take. I said that I thought it *could* be two wolves consolidating on the Davos wagon just before eod, and it wasn't Epi, and it also wasn't me.
What I said in my observation that day, when Wilgy and leetic were going back and forth, was that leetic seemed to be focused on pushing whoever was about to perform the next night kill, while Wilgy was pushing whoever he thought was wolfiest. I still believe Wilgy was genuinely wolfhunting at that point in time, because I thought at least some of his case against leetic made sense, but I shelved it because I believed Wilgy was simply more likely to flip wolf, and Davos was going to be a key flip (and I was right about that). I believe that leetic pushing on the basis of "who performed the kill on which night" is a pretty convenient way for a wolf to hunt a wolf on the opposing team, because they can genuinely focus on it while knowing already which kills were theirs.
I was Wilgy's secondary push that day. Wilgy said I probably wouldn't flip town, but didn't put any casework into pushing me until the next day when it was very blatantly OMGUS. Feel free to go through his case on me from yesterday and tell me whether you believe any of it was valid, btw. The tone of it was nothing like how he cased leetic the day before. And when I look at leetic's response to being pushed by Wilgy, I see that they drop their push on me to start pushing Wilgy back. Suddenly their case on me takes a backseat to Wilgy, and notably I'm not really pushing leetic at all there. I fence-sit for a while, say that I think leetic is wolfier but Wilgy is more likely to flip wolf, and that I think we need the Davos flip first. What I think now is that Sig saw how leetic shifted gears when being pushed, and correctly determined that it was the last two wolves pushing each other.
If kills are still alternating despite the landlords being dead, then if we no-lunch today, you're claiming that nobody would die tonight as a result.
That seems super weird because then this is MyLo and not LyLo.
But that's why I don't really believe that the arbiters could not kill both sig and Epi. It's possible that whichever team survives to endgame gets a kill anyway, so it might not properly alternate anymore.
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 7]
Wait a secondleetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:59 pmThere are a couple of holes in this case. Number one, Epi died tonight, and he couldn't have been killed by the landlords. If I'm the arbiter and kills are alternating I could not have killed sig.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:18 pmsig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:02 pm I could see whatever mafia team killed Nutella to have a member in the East than the other team to have someone in the West.
This would mean WWA/Wilgy still have mafia potential.
Epi doesn’t make sense as mafia for either team right now given that he’s encouraging we look at both areas.sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players leftI've been reading through D7 again and Sig's reads caught my attention againsig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:11 pm Or I guess it could be delta, but they read very genuine as a lost civ, Epi seems to have been hunting both team evenly, and I guess that leaves WWA.
Now the big reason to suspect Leetic is they seem to have really slowed down and take a back seat. I also find the way they’re pushing Nutella read post death to be a bit scummy.
I’m open to hearing other thoughts, buuuuut given I literally don’t have a town core anymore I prob won’t listen
I said yesterday that I didn't see Wilgy making the Sig kill except maybe for one post above these quotes, where Sig said Wilgy was pretty towny but also probably was a wolf anyway.
But looking at these reads again, they also point to the possibility that leetic could've killed Sig. I'm certain Delta couldn't have killed Sig because of their missed votes, and I think Sig's leetic take is notable, given that leetic and Wilgy had been pushing each other all day. Of course this still could've been a Wilgy kill, but either way I think leetic/Wilgy being wolf vs wolf in the thread is a pretty striking take. I said that I thought it *could* be two wolves consolidating on the Davos wagon just before eod, and it wasn't Epi, and it also wasn't me.
What I said in my observation that day, when Wilgy and leetic were going back and forth, was that leetic seemed to be focused on pushing whoever was about to perform the next night kill, while Wilgy was pushing whoever he thought was wolfiest. I still believe Wilgy was genuinely wolfhunting at that point in time, because I thought at least some of his case against leetic made sense, but I shelved it because I believed Wilgy was simply more likely to flip wolf, and Davos was going to be a key flip (and I was right about that). I believe that leetic pushing on the basis of "who performed the kill on which night" is a pretty convenient way for a wolf to hunt a wolf on the opposing team, because they can genuinely focus on it while knowing already which kills were theirs.
I was Wilgy's secondary push that day. Wilgy said I probably wouldn't flip town, but didn't put any casework into pushing me until the next day when it was very blatantly OMGUS. Feel free to go through his case on me from yesterday and tell me whether you believe any of it was valid, btw. The tone of it was nothing like how he cased leetic the day before. And when I look at leetic's response to being pushed by Wilgy, I see that they drop their push on me to start pushing Wilgy back. Suddenly their case on me takes a backseat to Wilgy, and notably I'm not really pushing leetic at all there. I fence-sit for a while, say that I think leetic is wolfier but Wilgy is more likely to flip wolf, and that I think we need the Davos flip first. What I think now is that Sig saw how leetic shifted gears when being pushed, and correctly determined that it was the last two wolves pushing each other.
If kills are still alternating despite the landlords being dead, then if we no-lunch today, you're claiming that nobody would die tonight as a result.
That seems super weird because then this is MyLo and not LyLo.
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
https://fosmafia.com/threads/mafia-9-se ... ration.36/WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:59 pm Oh actually I think I had another more recent mafia game that wasn't paywalled
But I subbed in on the very last day, into a wolf slot that kinda blew itself up already so tbh I didn't have much to say there
You can try to read it anyway lol
My ISO is very short and full of poop tho so it's really not the greatest demonstration of my wolfrange
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Oh actually I think I had another more recent mafia game that wasn't paywalled
But I subbed in on the very last day, into a wolf slot that kinda blew itself up already so tbh I didn't have much to say there
But I subbed in on the very last day, into a wolf slot that kinda blew itself up already so tbh I didn't have much to say there
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- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:56 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I think in both of those games anyway I was the last wolf alive (on my team) so you should still have something to compare to
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/plants ... lf-win/963
I can't believe that was the most recent mafia rand on a non-paywalled site, geez
It's too bad, too, cause I wolfed in a multiball on the paywalled forum so that's probably much more relevant to look at
Here's the link anyway but I'm not sure if the game already got archived into the paywall, probably did:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showt ... perpage=40
I can't believe that was the most recent mafia rand on a non-paywalled site, geez
It's too bad, too, cause I wolfed in a multiball on the paywalled forum so that's probably much more relevant to look at
Here's the link anyway but I'm not sure if the game already got archived into the paywall, probably did:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showt ... perpage=40
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah sure one sec, lemme get one that isn't on the paywalled site so you can actually read it
I don't think I've had any wolf games on Syndicate so it'll be offsite
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:51 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Cause the way Wilgy was pushing back on me yesterday sounded like he was CFTWR and a possible Arbiter, but I also still logicked that he was more likely to be the Davos puppetmaster than Brad and focused on that
So after Wilgy's flip, yeah, I shouldve thought about the weird Arbiter split, but it's clear anyway from my pov because I'm the only one alive from East anyway lol
So after Wilgy's flip, yeah, I shouldve thought about the weird Arbiter split, but it's clear anyway from my pov because I'm the only one alive from East anyway lol
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I mean I thought about it *before* the Davos flip and decided I'd figure it out afterWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:47 pmI did consider it earlier but I decided not to think about it too hard probably should'veDelta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:45 pm man
I feel like even now, you should've clocked sooner that Lemon couldve been alone in the thread if you were pushing that Wilgy was the final Landlord
though I guess I shouldve figured that myself since I didnt think it was just both of you for final wolves yesterday
I'm gonna double check smthn but. eh. 1:3 feels so rough.
And then totally forgot about it smh
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I did consider it earlier but I decided not to think about it too hard probably should'veDelta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:45 pm man
I feel like even now, you should've clocked sooner that Lemon couldve been alone in the thread if you were pushing that Wilgy was the final Landlord
though I guess I shouldve figured that myself since I didnt think it was just both of you for final wolves yesterday
I'm gonna double check smthn but. eh. 1:3 feels so rough.
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Wait I'm dumb, Wilgy flip said we don't, never mind lol
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
...we definitely don't have more landlords, right?
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
And I mean, hard defended her to the point where if he hadn't flipped before Lemon did, I'm pretty sure all of East Facility would've wanted his head
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah, Cape but he was 3p lmaoDelta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:41 pmSee that's the issueWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:32 pmWell, if you're counting Davos then the split is gonna be uneven regardless.Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:20 pmall good, wb o/
I'm kinda just running through some things and trying to build points in favor/against both of you
I dunno because it feels like a split of 'did our thread have more wolves' vs 'was just clearing the other facility gamewinning anyway'
and I really dislike that it comes down to that? but eh
you're in a better position to talk on that so would like some thoughts there
It would either be 3 landlords + 1 arbiter in East and 2 landlords + 3 arbiter in West
Or 3 landlords + 2 arbiters in East and 2 landlords + 2 arbiters in West
So either way, counting Davos, one side has 5 wolves and the other has 4. And of course you can argue that only one arbiter on the East side is kinda poopy, I can't really prove to you how alone Lemonfairy felt in the East thread because I can't quote and also I'm the only one still alive from East, so of course you're not obligated to believe anything I say about it, either. I pushed Lemon harder in the East thread. Everyone did, actually. I thought she'd maybe even flip at some point, but her wagon always built up kind of early and then someone else's surpassed it and the interest in her wagon waned. She wasn't super active in the East Facility, said she was busy irl, and she kept posting these strangely stagnant readlists that a lot of us commented on. At some point her wagon was at 3 or 4 votes, iirc, probably Nanook, Nutella and me. And I think Davos voted her, too. She did reply directly to questions to her, but she wasn't super interactive with anyone because she was in the thread in short spurts.
I do think the landlords having Davos in East explains why they were fine with bussing Brad, but the arbiters seem to have had the exact opposite tactic in West since none of them flipped there (falcon didn't flip until the threads were merged), but it seems like it's served them well. They probably didn't count on Ricochet and Lemon flipping when they did, so attitude shift is something to look into. Leetic did already pointed out that my postcount hiked up around that time, which I'm sure is true, because of my travel schedule xD
If it was just Wilgy in this thread & more Landlords over in ours, it would make more sense. I dont see the Arbiters being punished for Landlords having more players on one side, because they still had a more even split of 2:3. 1:3 with one wolf being the only way that team sees the thread.. doesnt feel all too feasible.
I hope that makes sense? I dont want to lean on unconfirmed mech too heavily but in my mind.. it feels like the Arbiters were on the backfoot as is out of the two teams if they had 1 less player (technically), I dont see them then being further punished for it by splitting them 1:3
Has anyone else from your thread commented on Lemon feeling alone?
He was pretty much defending Lemon with his life and saying that she felt very towny because of how frustrated she was getting about being pushed, with nobody defending her
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
And I say this because his solve was Wilgy/Delta, Wilgy flipped wolf, and I am leaning town on Delta now rather than leeticWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:40 pm If you want points against me, you can take a look at Epi's case on me a couple days ago cause I think he quoted most of the interactions I had with wolves there
If you want points for or against leetic you can also look there lol
I don't really think he was killed for his reads going into LyLo so much as that the only one who didn't seem to townread him was Wilgy lol
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
If you want points against me, you can take a look at Epi's case on me a couple days ago cause I think he quoted most of the interactions I had with wolves there
If you want points for or against leetic you can also look there lol
I don't really think he was killed for his reads going into LyLo so much as that the only one who didn't seem to townread him was Wilgy lol
If you want points for or against leetic you can also look there lol
I don't really think he was killed for his reads going into LyLo so much as that the only one who didn't seem to townread him was Wilgy lol
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:37 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Actually I feel bad for Lemon now, not having someone else to wolf with for 2 days is rough
I guess the same can be said about Wilgy since Brad went poof on D1
Things like this are why I don't really think there was ever meant to be a perfect balance, though, the game just kinda (un)balances itself out over time
And I think it makes enough sense that one team had the upper hand in West and the other team had the upper hand in East
I guess the same can be said about Wilgy since Brad went poof on D1
Things like this are why I don't really think there was ever meant to be a perfect balance, though, the game just kinda (un)balances itself out over time
And I think it makes enough sense that one team had the upper hand in West and the other team had the upper hand in East
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:32 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Well, if you're counting Davos then the split is gonna be uneven regardless.Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:20 pmall good, wb o/
I'm kinda just running through some things and trying to build points in favor/against both of you
I dunno because it feels like a split of 'did our thread have more wolves' vs 'was just clearing the other facility gamewinning anyway'
and I really dislike that it comes down to that? but eh
you're in a better position to talk on that so would like some thoughts there
It would either be 3 landlords + 1 arbiter in East and 2 landlords + 3 arbiter in West
Or 3 landlords + 2 arbiters in East and 2 landlords + 2 arbiters in West
So either way, counting Davos, one side has 5 wolves and the other has 4. And of course you can argue that only one arbiter on the East side is kinda poopy, I can't really prove to you how alone Lemonfairy felt in the East thread because I can't quote and also I'm the only one still alive from East, so of course you're not obligated to believe anything I say about it, either. I pushed Lemon harder in the East thread. Everyone did, actually. I thought she'd maybe even flip at some point, but her wagon always built up kind of early and then someone else's surpassed it and the interest in her wagon waned. She wasn't super active in the East Facility, said she was busy irl, and she kept posting these strangely stagnant readlists that a lot of us commented on. At some point her wagon was at 3 or 4 votes, iirc, probably Nanook, Nutella and me. And I think Davos voted her, too. She did reply directly to questions to her, but she wasn't super interactive with anyone because she was in the thread in short spurts.
I do think the landlords having Davos in East explains why they were fine with bussing Brad, but the arbiters seem to have had the exact opposite tactic in West since none of them flipped there (falcon didn't flip until the threads were merged), but it seems like it's served them well. They probably didn't count on Ricochet and Lemon flipping when they did, so attitude shift is something to look into. Leetic did already pointed out that my postcount hiked up around that time, which I'm sure is true, because of my travel schedule xD
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:21 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
So I am going to crossvote leetic, although it's not really a true crossvote because votes aren't locked, but I think they're more likely to be the last wolf than Delta is.
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:18 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 7]
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:02 pm I could see whatever mafia team killed Nutella to have a member in the East than the other team to have someone in the West.
This would mean WWA/Wilgy still have mafia potential.
Epi doesn’t make sense as mafia for either team right now given that he’s encouraging we look at both areas.
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left
I've been reading through D7 again and Sig's reads caught my attention againsig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:11 pm Or I guess it could be delta, but they read very genuine as a lost civ, Epi seems to have been hunting both team evenly, and I guess that leaves WWA.
Now the big reason to suspect Leetic is they seem to have really slowed down and take a back seat. I also find the way they’re pushing Nutella read post death to be a bit scummy.
I’m open to hearing other thoughts, buuuuut given I literally don’t have a town core anymore I prob won’t listen
I said yesterday that I didn't see Wilgy making the Sig kill except maybe for one post above these quotes, where Sig said Wilgy was pretty towny but also probably was a wolf anyway.
But looking at these reads again, they also point to the possibility that leetic could've killed Sig. I'm certain Delta couldn't have killed Sig because of their missed votes, and I think Sig's leetic take is notable, given that leetic and Wilgy had been pushing each other all day. Of course this still could've been a Wilgy kill, but either way I think leetic/Wilgy being wolf vs wolf in the thread is a pretty striking take. I said that I thought it *could* be two wolves consolidating on the Davos wagon just before eod, and it wasn't Epi, and it also wasn't me.
What I said in my observation that day, when Wilgy and leetic were going back and forth, was that leetic seemed to be focused on pushing whoever was about to perform the next night kill, while Wilgy was pushing whoever he thought was wolfiest. I still believe Wilgy was genuinely wolfhunting at that point in time, because I thought at least some of his case against leetic made sense, but I shelved it because I believed Wilgy was simply more likely to flip wolf, and Davos was going to be a key flip (and I was right about that). I believe that leetic pushing on the basis of "who performed the kill on which night" is a pretty convenient way for a wolf to hunt a wolf on the opposing team, because they can genuinely focus on it while knowing already which kills were theirs.
I was Wilgy's secondary push that day. Wilgy said I probably wouldn't flip town, but didn't put any casework into pushing me until the next day when it was very blatantly OMGUS. Feel free to go through his case on me from yesterday and tell me whether you believe any of it was valid, btw. The tone of it was nothing like how he cased leetic the day before. And when I look at leetic's response to being pushed by Wilgy, I see that they drop their push on me to start pushing Wilgy back. Suddenly their case on me takes a backseat to Wilgy, and notably I'm not really pushing leetic at all there. I fence-sit for a while, say that I think leetic is wolfier but Wilgy is more likely to flip wolf, and that I think we need the Davos flip first. What I think now is that Sig saw how leetic shifted gears when being pushed, and correctly determined that it was the last two wolves pushing each other.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:29 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Fuck, I fell asleep again I'm back
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:26 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah I got it after you explainedDelta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:01 pmEhWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:10 pmYeah cause tbh I was hoping you'd just clear yourself that way if you're town and make things easier
But probably if you'd cleared yourself as town you would be dead anyway, so I guess it didn't matter much
Feels in poor taste to do so there, not something I really want to focus on regardless but shrug
I guess the surprise just surprised me in turn a little bit
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:20 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm still checking the thread btw just eating dinner at the same time, gonna keep looking at isos after
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:18 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I've been trying to read Wilgy's posts for whatever good that does.
Because I do believe he was genuinely hunting for the last wolf, but then again it wouldn't have mattered to him who got lunched as long as it wasn't him.
He put extremely heavy suspicion on leetic two days ago and said he'd bet the game on leetic being a wolf, but spent all of yesterday pushing back against my case that he had to be Davos's owner and that I had to specifically be an arbiter to think that, and didn't really revisit leetic at all but instead pointed a weak finger at Epi, who has since flipped town.
But like, no, that was a bogus counterargument and Wilgy knew it lol. Wilgy was the only other one besides me from East Facility. And Davos flipped landlord. So that's the thing that sealed the deal for me, Wilgy never truly scumhunted me, he pushed me for being a wolf on the basis that I was pushing that he was a landlord, which he was.
This came up cause I was looking through leetic's posts from the day we yeeted Davos, and it got me wondering, how close were we to a full solve that day, as compared to yesterday? There was more pushback then, while yesterday was considerably more quiet.
Because I do believe he was genuinely hunting for the last wolf, but then again it wouldn't have mattered to him who got lunched as long as it wasn't him.
He put extremely heavy suspicion on leetic two days ago and said he'd bet the game on leetic being a wolf, but spent all of yesterday pushing back against my case that he had to be Davos's owner and that I had to specifically be an arbiter to think that, and didn't really revisit leetic at all but instead pointed a weak finger at Epi, who has since flipped town.
But like, no, that was a bogus counterargument and Wilgy knew it lol. Wilgy was the only other one besides me from East Facility. And Davos flipped landlord. So that's the thing that sealed the deal for me, Wilgy never truly scumhunted me, he pushed me for being a wolf on the basis that I was pushing that he was a landlord, which he was.
This came up cause I was looking through leetic's posts from the day we yeeted Davos, and it got me wondering, how close were we to a full solve that day, as compared to yesterday? There was more pushback then, while yesterday was considerably more quiet.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:10 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah cause tbh I was hoping you'd just clear yourself that way if you're town and make things easier
But probably if you'd cleared yourself as town you would be dead anyway, so I guess it didn't matter much
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:08 pm
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm so fucking tired, I just got home time to get to work on this
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:32 am
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
EhWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:39 am Sorry if this seems like it's going off on a tangent but I think I need to understand what the motivation would be for the Arbiter to play how they did yesterday. Obviously they went for pushing Wilgy; everyone did.
On second thought, maybe I don't really need to think about this
Gonna dig deeper after I get home
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:39 am
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Sorry if this seems like it's going off on a tangent but I think I need to understand what the motivation would be for the Arbiter to play how they did yesterday. Obviously they went for pushing Wilgy; everyone did.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:37 am
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Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Something I'm also thinking about is leetic's argument that Davos belonged to Brad rather than Wilgy or me, while Delta took the same view as I did, that it had to be someone still alive. I don't know that I wouldn't have voted Wilgy if I believed Brad could be the owner, because Wilgy's counterarguments to me still sounded like he had a perspective he shouldn't have if he were town. But I'm wondering how differently yesterday mightve turned out if we had all agreed that Davos counted as a full landlord slot on their own, giving a clear advantage to the landlords if that narrative were pushed.
If you push that narrative as an arbiter, where does it get you? A LyLo with two wolves and a townie? Which is probably better for a wolf that has trouble faking scumhunting, since they have a real wolf to push on the other team. But it's also risky if the two wolves reach a consensus on voting the townie because presumably only one of the wolves has the kill assignment, and I'm sure they'd both be aware of that.
If you push that narrative as an arbiter, where does it get you? A LyLo with two wolves and a townie? Which is probably better for a wolf that has trouble faking scumhunting, since they have a real wolf to push on the other team. But it's also risky if the two wolves reach a consensus on voting the townie because presumably only one of the wolves has the kill assignment, and I'm sure they'd both be aware of that.