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Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:52 pm I floated a theory that pyxxy was alone in our thread because he looked deflated as soon as pressure started building against him. This would hinge on the game being multiball, and even then it would not need to be true. But it is a possibility that I want to at least keep in the back of our minds.

same with Lime Coke in our thread, he was just kinda not there, and then he was there but not doing anything game-related, and then refused to really engage on his weird readlist and just rolled over and died. I just assumed his partners were bussing him, but that's interesting pyxxy's flip was similar.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:51 pm Sabi kept pushing
that there was a difference check
in Dizzy/Radish

I think Dizzy's town
and lightly townlean Radish
Sabi's full of it

I thought that was just their personal read, cause I also don't really think either of those two is scum.

Actually just remembered something. Sabi kept saying they wished they could've talked more to pyxxy and Delta because they got split into the other thread. How (un)likely do you think it is that Sabi would say that if they're partnered with Lime and pyxxy? Was pyxxy lunched D1 or D2?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:33 pm While we're getting to know one another:

What were the noteworthy arguments used to tie individuals to Lime Coke?
1. bussing
2. apathy

the first argument was used against Sabi, who was (iirc) first to point out that Lime Coke was well in his wolf meta and they continued to hard push Lime for the rest of the day, with no real counter at all from Lime. He zeroposted for half of D1 and then came in and fluffed around until people pressured him enough to spit out a very weird readlist consisting of all town and no scum.

the second argument was used against Alison, who was also a wagon on D1 (consisting of Sabi, Michelle and me) until Lime's wagon took over. Alison's counterargument on D2 was that everyone voting her must be a wolf except for Michelle who had already flipped town. (Which read as strange to me, because if you look at her N0 posts, she was already pushing Sabi and me anyway and this just seemed to be an additional reason to push us.) And Alison flipped town, so take that as you will.

I guess I should say "interactions" as well, since we had some discussion on:
1. DarlingMonroe's interaction with Lime being a bit strange and short-lived
2. Alison not really interacting with Brad, and lowering her activity when she got wagoned and Lime got wagoned, so some of us suspected w/w wagons
3. Sabi pushing Lime but Lime not simping them as he usually does
Master Radishes was also a subject of discussion but he was post-restricted to haikus yesterday, and it looks like nutella is restricted today
I don't normally think of post restrictions as towny abilities, so I'm not sure I'm really sold on the case on MR. And I think nutella is towny.

Oh, and Dizzy was also a brief topic of discussion but I'm not sure where consensus landed on him.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:33 pm While we're getting to know one another:

What were the noteworthy arguments used to tie individuals to Lime Coke?
1. bussing
2. apathy

the first argument was used against Sabi, who was (iirc) first to point out that Lime Coke was well in his wolf meta and they continued to hard push Lime for the rest of the day, with no real counter at all from Lime. He zeroposted for half of D1 and then came in and fluffed around until people pressured him enough to spit out a very weird readlist consisting of all town and no scum.

the second argument was used against Alison, who was also a wagon on D1 (consisting of Sabi, Michelle and me) until Lime's wagon took over. Alison's counterargument on D2 was that everyone voting her must be a wolf except for Michelle who had already flipped town. (Which read as strange to me, because if you look at her N0 posts, she was already pushing Sabi and me anyway and this just seemed to be an additional reason to push us.) And Alison flipped town, so take that as you will.

I guess I should say "interactions" as well, since we had some discussion on:
1. DarlingMonroe's interaction with Lime being a bit strange and short-lived
2. Alison not really interacting with Brad, and lowering her activity when she got wagoned and Lime got wagoned, so some of us suspected w/w wagons
3. Sabi pushing Lime but Lime not simping them as he usually does

Master Radishes was also a subject of discussion but he was post-restricted to haikus yesterday, and it looks like nutella is restricted today
I don't normally think of post restrictions as towny abilities, so I'm not sure I'm really sold on the case on MR. And I think nutella is towny.

I do think someone must have bussed Lime but I don't really think it was Sabi

Also FYI Brad = Lime, I kept typing "Brad" in the post above and tried to correct it for people who don't know him as Brad but I missed one

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:33 pm While we're getting to know one another:

What were the noteworthy arguments used to tie individuals to Lime Coke?

1. bussing
2. apathy

the first argument was used against Sabi, who was (iirc) first to point out that Lime Coke was well in his wolf meta and they continued to hard push Lime for the rest of the day, with no real counter at all from Lime. He zeroposted for half of D1 and then came in and fluffed around until people pressured him enough to spit out a very weird readlist consisting of all town and no scum.

the second argument was used against Alison, who was also a wagon on D1 (consisting of Sabi, Michelle and me) until Lime's wagon took over. Alison's counterargument on D2 was that everyone voting her must be a wolf except for Michelle who had already flipped town. (Which read as strange to me, because if you look at her N0 posts, she was already pushing Sabi and me anyway and this just seemed to be an additional reason to push us.) And Alison flipped town, so take that as you will.

I guess I should say "interactions" as well, since we had some discussion on:
1. DarlingMonroe's interaction with Lime being a bit strange and short-lived
2. Alison not really interacting with Brad, and lowering her activity when she got wagoned and Lime got wagoned, so some of us suspected w/w wagons
3. Sabi pushing Lime but Lime not simping them as he usually does

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:31 pm How do you guys feel about that Davos pirate guy?

he just made pirate noises twice, never put his vote in the thread, but voted in the poll on both days
idek if his vote counted. there was a theory floated in our thread that perhaps the puppet accounts were people from opposite threads who had observation skills, since you must've had Scrappy if we had Davos, but this was never proven because Davos just didn't say much.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:56 pm I still have a lot of work tonight, but let's see...

After pyxxy went, I started looking at interactions. Delta was the first or one of the first and that was good enough for me at the time. See the statement above.

Delta's answer to my suspicion was one of the more bizarre explanations I have ever heard (LC has it, I think). Nevertheless, by that point, I was the only vote on Delta.

Meanwhile, Porscha was shitting on The Pyxxy Scientists and seemed very frustrated and unlike what I recalled Porscha to be of either alignment.

Seanzie popped in and said Porscha is mean when bad. I have no evidence of that (the claim, not that Seanzie said it, but I suppose I don't have evidence of either ).

Eventually I was dumb and voted Porscha despite my reluctance. The other viable option at the time was sig, someone I've not given much thought to.

Porscha was good. Seanzie was also good.

This was a shameful display.

Who are The Pyxxy Scientists?

[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
It would be difficult to convey the Delta case here because it hinged almost entirely on interactions with pyxxy, and we can’t copy text from the other thread.
Paraphrasing could
still do some work to convince
if context is clear
Delta did some pushes early to get pyxxy to post more, and also voted on the counterwagon, and gave the reason that recent games they have been v-w, and Delta was hoping pyxxy would be v-v this time... or something like that. I wouldn't say that the logic for Delta being suspicious was unreasonable.

I feel like that kind of statement more often comes from town, though... was it about the way it was said?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:26 pm My hope with thread merge
is that rather than counters
with one town one scum,

each clique votes their top
suspect and we end up with
two wolf/wolf wagons
At least for Day 3? I feel like my vote would be more honest on someone from our facility.

Yeah, I think that's what nutella was suggesting, and she has a good point.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:14 pm I need to read over Sabi's posts now that Alison flipped town
I was pretty sure Alison was going to flip scum :/ it just felt like she was making up reasons to keep her PoE the same for a while
Thread had copium
I wish I had spoken up
More that she'd flip town

I had changed my mind
But did not convince others
Wolves were happy there
well yeah, *I* was happy there
What do you mean?

I mean I was happy voting Alison for 2 days straight, so yeah, wolves would be very happy to hop onto that because it's a town-initiated push. I'd been pushing her since N0, you can at least see that thread. I thought her push on me was complete BS because she was already preflipping me with Sabi in the first couple posts of the day, and then she continued to find reasons to push me by saying that I was scum for voting her. Like, I don't really need to wolfcase a dead townie, but I'm telling you why I was content to continue voting her.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
It would be difficult to convey the Delta case here because it hinged almost entirely on interactions with pyxxy, and we can’t copy text from the other thread.

can you sort of paraphrase things?
at least knowing that it was based on interactions is a good starting point for those of us who weren't in your thread, so thank you for that

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:14 pm I need to read over Sabi's posts now that Alison flipped town
I was pretty sure Alison was going to flip scum :/ it just felt like she was making up reasons to keep her PoE the same for a while
Thread had copium
I wish I had spoken up
More that she'd flip town

I had changed my mind
But did not convince others
Wolves were happy there

well yeah, *I* was happy there

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes

I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:15 pm If there are 30 people and only one mafia team, then what do you guys think, 6 Wolves? 7?
Yep, I speculated 6 or 7 and maybe a 3p or two between the threads. Severance had just one 3p who could see both threads at once, but there was an odd number of players there iirc. We have an even number here, and our threads have merged, so it could either be 7 mafia with an uneven split and a 3p in the thread with fewer mafia, or 6 mafia and two 3ps.

I guess it could also be 8 mafia? but that number seems kind of high.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:15 pm If there are 30 people and only one mafia team, then what do you guys think, 6 Wolves? 7?

Yep, I speculated 6 or 7 and maybe a 3p or two between the threads. Severance had just one 3p who could see both threads at once, but there was an odd number of players there iirc. We have an even number here, and our threads have merged, so it could either be 7 mafia with an uneven split and a 3p in the thread with fewer mafia, or 6 mafia and two 3ps.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:14 pm I think that someone would have mentioned something if they got a message but who knows? A Wolf might have kept the information to themselves. Let's see if anyone from our thread claims sending one.

Yeah, that's exactly why I'm wondering.

I need to read over Sabi's posts now that Alison flipped town
I was pretty sure Alison was going to flip scum :/ it just felt like she was making up reasons to keep her PoE the same for a while

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:10 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:57 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:53 pm Given the fact that it's 30 players, and two old-school hosts, and that previous Champs games have been multiball, I would bet money on it.
Ah ok, I haven't played one of these before. But that explains why Guillo said this forum was fond of multiball lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:52 pm

I can recheck the East thread if you're curious but I don't remember much discussion about it. I think there were 4 people who sent gifts to your thread.
leetic sent one to Lime Coke.
that's... interesting
given that Lime Coke was scum
You know, I thought so...? But no one in our Facility seemed to care that much.
wait, you guys knew we lunched him on D1? because we weren't told anything about your thread.
seanzie received word about what was going on in your thread.
This was my Santa
I got to send Sean a note
At end of day 1

ahh ok
that makes sense, then. i wonder if anyone in the other thread sent a message to our thread, but i'm guessing the prizes were probably asymmetrical.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:39 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:36 pm oh yeah, maybe this was already mentioned but how many kills did you guys have on N1? East Facility had 2 deaths.
Just one (Caitlin). But Daisy was killed shortly after the start of Day 2. My guess is a slank vig did it. She had 1 post.

ok, ours was definitely not a slank vig but tbh I didn't check to see if it could've been a top-poster vig. it was a nightvig, though, at any rate.

oh yeah, maybe this was already mentioned but how many kills did you guys have on N1? East Facility had 2 deaths.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:25 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:21 pm And you know what else? No one said anything about the breathing thing.
are we allowed to talk about that? if so, it might be helpful.
I originally thought there might be some planning or something, but I was super super busy busy yesterday and I couldn't find the time to do very many posts. So busy. Few posts.

I thought we weren't allowed to discuss it so I just made assumptions on where people would probably go with theirs. Not really sure if it worked out so well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:21 pm And you know what else? No one said anything about the breathing thing.

are we allowed to talk about that? if so, it might be helpful.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:16 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:10 pm seanzie received word about what was going on in your thread.
was it like a one-time thing? just curious because if he sent any info back to us, it wasn't shared in the thread by whoever his correspondent might've been.
It seems to have been a limited-time and one-way thing. I do not believe he was able to message them back.

ah, ok then. I thought maybe we had a scum correspondent who was reluctant to share with the class, but in that case it probably means nothing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:10 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:57 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:53 pm Given the fact that it's 30 players, and two old-school hosts, and that previous Champs games have been multiball, I would bet money on it.
Ah ok, I haven't played one of these before. But that explains why Guillo said this forum was fond of multiball lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm Did you guys keep track of who sent who Secret Santa stuff? Any discussion on that front?
I can recheck the East thread if you're curious but I don't remember much discussion about it. I think there were 4 people who sent gifts to your thread.
leetic sent one to Lime Coke.
that's... interesting
given that Lime Coke was scum
You know, I thought so...? But no one in our Facility seemed to care that much.
wait, you guys knew we lunched him on D1? because we weren't told anything about your thread.
seanzie received word about what was going on in your thread.

was it like a one-time thing? just curious because if he sent any info back to us, it wasn't shared in the thread by whoever his correspondent might've been.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:57 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:53 pm Given the fact that it's 30 players, and two old-school hosts, and that previous Champs games have been multiball, I would bet money on it.
Ah ok, I haven't played one of these before. But that explains why Guillo said this forum was fond of multiball lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm Did you guys keep track of who sent who Secret Santa stuff? Any discussion on that front?
I can recheck the East thread if you're curious but I don't remember much discussion about it. I think there were 4 people who sent gifts to your thread.
leetic sent one to Lime Coke.
that's... interesting
given that Lime Coke was scum
You know, I thought so...? But no one in our Facility seemed to care that much.

wait, you guys knew we lunched him on D1? because we weren't told anything about your thread.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:53 pm Given the fact that it's 30 players, and two old-school hosts, and that previous Champs games have been multiball, I would bet money on it.

Ah ok, I haven't played one of these before. But that explains why Guillo said this forum was fond of multiball lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:54 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm Did you guys keep track of who sent who Secret Santa stuff? Any discussion on that front?
I can recheck the East thread if you're curious but I don't remember much discussion about it. I think there were 4 people who sent gifts to your thread.
leetic sent one to Lime Coke.

that's... interesting
given that Lime Coke was scum

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm Did you guys keep track of who sent who Secret Santa stuff? Any discussion on that front?

I can recheck the East thread if you're curious but I don't remember much discussion about it. I think there were 4 people who sent gifts to your thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:45 pm I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:43 pm oh, you also got a landlord flip
i think it's funny the mafia faction here is called landlords, since the "landlords" in rondo's game last year were the town faction
People in my thread were pretty convinced that this is a multiball game

The only one in our thread who mentioned multiball was Guillo, and it was during N0 and I was on his back about it for a bit lol. But it wasn't discussed at all in the East Facility thread (and Guillo's slot was replaced by Creature who flipped town). What was discussed in your thread regarding it?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:41 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:39 pm hi everyone!

summary of east thread:

brad flipped landlord D1
michelle and rondo both flipped town N1
alison flipped town D2
creature (guillo) flipped town N2
So Brad and pyxxy are aligned

oh, you also got a landlord flip
i think it's funny the mafia faction here is called landlords, since the "landlords" in rondo's game last year were the town faction

ah, nutella has us covered already

hi everyone!

summary of east thread:

brad flipped landlord D1
michelle and rondo both flipped town N1
alison flipped town D2
creature (guillo) flipped town N2

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