The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:45 pm sabi feels more like a potential hit to me than alison atp but thats mostly nebulous vibes

but do you think Sabi is the most likely to bus Brad based on their interactions and the timing of their push? or are there other reasons?

I thought votes were only valid if they were in the thread and in the poll
why does Davos vote in the poll but not thread? does it even count?

I feel like even the active posters kind of dropped off in activity
I don't think it's a wolftell or basically everyone in this game would be a wolf lol
but it feels strange

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:00 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:57 pm I'm not fully caught up yet but here's kind of where I am:

(TR)
Creature
nutella
Cape90
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

(TL)
Master Radishes
DrWilgy
WindwardAway
Sabiplz

(POE)
Dyslexicon
Alison
DarlingMonroe

towns are kind of ordered
POE is not
Why do you have NANOOK as a strong townread?

good question

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:09 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:15 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:17 am Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot
I don't understand the logic behind this
Interactions with brad
So Sabi, as wolf with Brad, would be the first to point out that Brad is solidly in his wolf meta and then hard bus him?
You don't think they'd wait until Brad gains traction from other people before deciding whether to bus? He could've just been ignored and nobody would've batted an eye as far as im concerned. Like I'd forgotten he existed in the game until Sabi pointed him out cause I never even saw his posts on N0.
Lots of questions here answered by my "interactions with brad" post

I'll look at Brad and Sabi's interactions again because off the top of my head, I still don't think they're partnered
but several people obviously think it's a distinct possibility, so I might be missing some context

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:21 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:48 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:17 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:44 pm i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine
Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words
Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?
Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from
I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.
Not quite what I meant...
In this limited format
It's hard to explain

A shift in vote?
Or a shift in reasoning?
If you can't really answer today, it's ok, I'm just curious

@DarlingMonroe what's your case on Wilgy?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:01 am I find it more plausible either that both Ali and Sabi are town on town, than wolf on wolf. But I believe it's my first game with them, so I could be reading them totally wrong.

and if one out of the 2 is wolf, still not sure which of the two would be

What makes you think both of them are town?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:58 am @Alison you were convincing me with observations made about Sabi being bad, but currently you are not voting Sabi or Mr. It's on Windward. Im confused

Alison spent N0 and part of D1 on me, I don't know why that's confusing?

Really starting to wonder why this is even a question. You're the second one who seems to think it's a shift in opinion when it's definitely not. Maybe I'm more aware of it, but what's up with this? Are you guys not reading Alison's posts?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:08 am but also what on earth do you mean "shift in opinion"

that opinion is completely consistent with my previous votes

I said "The POE should be my entire wagon except michelle"

so you and sabi

i sussed sabi heavily n0/d1, started off d2 voting them, then switched to you

I'm not calling it a shift in opinion, that was MR. I know your vote has been fairly consistently on me.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:48 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:17 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:44 pm i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine
Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words
Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?
Seems she feels need to
justify where her shift in
opinion came from

I don't see it as a shift in opinion, it's just unnecessary. She's been pushing me since N0.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:26 am sabis whining about me not getting votes when i am top wagon makes me think they are a wolf

+ Wwa probs

Fine to resolve counterwagon d2, thats correct, but if you do the correct way to use that info is to poe all the people who voluntarily chose to vote a strong town player over an afk wolf

if you dont then dont blame me if you lose

PS: dont listen to sabis ate, people on this site need to stop worshipping ate it makes you too easy to get snowed

The only town flips we've had confirmed are Michelle and Rondo, and they were pushing each other for a lot of yesterday, so I'm not sure what else we could do in terms of wagonomics.

Why is this the quietest thread I've played in for like a year btw? I play on forums that don't have hyperposters and even those are more active than this game has been. It's like lurker central here.

On a side note, Sabi getting defensive about getting votes is a tiny bit meh
But I also don't really think they were the most likely busser on Brad because from what I saw, they initiated it, and they didn't actually have to draw attention to Brad when they did

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:31 pm That was an underwhelming catchup

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I still think she's wolfing

And not even because of her vote on me
Just that the reasoning feels too thin

That was an underwhelming catchup

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I still think she's wolfing

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:23 pm Anyway it's hard to engage with a day where almost nothing is happening

This is why I mostly post SOD and EOD
it's also Wednesday

and the reality is I'd rather do something that doesn't actually require thinking at this point in time

I can't blame you for this tbh

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:16 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:33 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:30 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:29 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm 1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to
So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?
Disregard that last part
you did comment on his zeroposting, I'm just blind lmao
But @Lemonfairy my main concern is, you mentioned multiple times that certain names trended downward in your reads and that others were scummy but someone was still scummier. You never specified who was actually at the bottom. Why make vague comparisons on scumminess if you're not going to rank your readlist?
yeah, people drop down over time if they stop being towny
that's just how it works (although it's a little difficult to keep track of)

I'm not sure why I need to order the list
even in my mind, a lot of people are roughly on the same level and there will be small fluctuations between lists that I don't really care to show
I'll make an ordered list if I feel like it would be helpful later but I don't really think it's helpful for me right now

the POE method also makes it hard for me to pinpoint who I think is the scummiest
as to why I make comparisons, it helps me organize

You don't need to order the list, I'm just wondering why you make all these statements as if your list is somewhat ordered but then you don't actually order it.
If you do order it later, I'd like to see. If you don't, fine, but I'm gonna continue to scrutinize your readlists. When you don't order them but still make comparisons, it makes me think you're just making those statements for the sake of it and not because you actually believe there's any sort of order in your reads, because they're made up. So if you're town, prove it otherwise.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:48 pm Michelle died pushing Alison.
I'm going to die pushing Alison.

None of yall will kill Alison. It's fun and cool game

I would vote there but ive been surveying the thread to see if we were gonna see the same lack of strong momentum on her as we did yesterday
I mean yeah there were 3 of us on her when I saw the peak wagon, and one of those was town!Michelle and another was me and I'm town
I forgot the third name tho tbh and it's bugging me that i don't remember
If you and Alison are wagons today then honestly I owe both of you a RE-ISO but idk how much time I have, I'm in low effort mode for the rest of the week cause I can't really afford to hang around the thread much
GTH I'd vote Alison
Less GTH I'd consider other options than Alison, namely DM but mostly because I think their posting has been very odd, which I know is not a hard scum tell
I'm still not sold on Dizzy and I really don't agree with the wagon on you

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:25 pm Question mark for me
I suppose is Lemonfairy
Someone 'splain town reads?

Lemon's reads are a bit confusing for me
I want to know why she made comparison statements about certain names being more or less scummy than others, without actually ranking her readlist.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:14 pm But there's a problem

I do expect wolves to have bussed

But I guess Sabi fits that

I really have no major direction on my own

But I don't think the general thread consensus is that bad

Do we expect two more wolves here?

30 players so probably like 6 or 7 wolves
If thread is split evenly then probably 6 and a 3p or two somewhere for balance

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:44 pm i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine
Level zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words

Well
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:17 am Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot
I don't understand the logic behind this
Interactions with brad

So Sabi, as wolf with Brad, would be the first to point out that Brad is solidly in his wolf meta and then hard bus him?
You don't think they'd wait until Brad gains traction from other people before deciding whether to bus? He could've just been ignored and nobody would've batted an eye as far as im concerned. Like I'd forgotten he existed in the game until Sabi pointed him out cause I never even saw his posts on N0.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:55 pm eh no it might be optimal to resolve the counterwagon on D2

but POE my wagon has to be right after I flip at least, because there's no way that at least 1 mafia didn't try to vote me, like it can't be that all the mafia bussed and all the people voting me are trolling towns
i mean i guess it could given the hydra game but im hopeful that was an aberration caused by psychedelics in the water supply instead of something we should take as a rule of thumb for evaluating wagon compositions

this is the game of champions after all

I have no idea what this means
But I thought your wagon never grew that big anyway

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:44 pm i thought about it while in class and I think it's quite likely that the POE should be my entire wagon except michelle

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

That's like
Two people

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:45 am she felt more of a major player at the very beginning of d1 with her back and forth with wind, but once that fizzled out she had basically no effect on the rest of the phase
Yeah this is why I kinda think we were looking at w/w wagons
But then it begs the question, what the hell were their other teammates doing? There wasn't that much of a motion to steer the wagons away from either of them.
Seeing as it's 15 people thread and if one wolf is lol casting the other is being wagoned, that just mean s there's only one other wolf?

2 wolves in a 15-player thread would be weird, wouldn't that mean there are more in the other thread?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:17 am Sabi >rand mafia but not by a lot

I don't understand the logic behind this

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:57 am I can't yet tell if
Today will be fun for me
Refrigerator

Can't wait to see who post-restricted you with haikus

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:45 am she felt more of a major player at the very beginning of d1 with her back and forth with wind, but once that fizzled out she had basically no effect on the rest of the phase

Yeah this is why I kinda think we were looking at w/w wagons
But then it begs the question, what the hell were their other teammates doing? There wasn't that much of a motion to steer the wagons away from either of them.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:27 am also out of 15 players here, there must be what - at most 4 wolves?

Out of Lime's post:

Town:
Michelle - confirmed town
Rondo - confirmed town
DarlingMonroe - town

Squidward Away
Lemonfairy
Nutella
Cape

And then out of the 7 votes to lynch him, 4 of them were on this town list:

WindwardAway, Lemonfairy, Cape90, nutella

These 3 were part of the lynch and not on his town list:
Guillotine, Creature, DrWilgy,

Interesting

Personally I think the names being on/off Lime Coke's list is more important than where the votes were, cause I'm positive someone bussed him.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:40 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:20 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:32 pm It probably was just w/w wagons

Two minimum in mr/darling/alison/dizzy
i don't actually think dizzy is a wolf
the rest though, they all have scum equity
I still think there's a difference check irt mr/dizzy hence keeping them in the pile.

I'll have to look at that, I haven't examined MR closely at all so far.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:30 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:29 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm 1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to
So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?
Disregard that last part
you did comment on his zeroposting, I'm just blind lmao

But @Lemonfairy my main concern is, you mentioned multiple times that certain names trended downward in your reads and that others were scummy but someone was still scummier. You never specified who was actually at the bottom. Why make vague comparisons on scumminess if you're not going to rank your readlist?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:29 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:15 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:50 pm WindwardAway
I am consistently at the bottom of your readlist and yet you haven't engaged with me on game-related stuff. Why is that?
1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to
So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?

Disregard that last part
you did comment on his zeroposting, I'm just blind lmao

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:15 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:50 pm WindwardAway
I am consistently at the bottom of your readlist and yet you haven't engaged with me on game-related stuff. Why is that?
1) it's unordered so you technically weren't at the bottom
2) I don't really engage with people in general
like I probably should try but I don't have the time to threadsit these days but I also just don't want to

So, if I wasn't at the bottom of your readlist, but then again, no one was... who were you scumreading?
Also, Lime Coke never made it into your readlist despite rather notably zeroposting and then fluffing?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pmMichelle - I moved Michelle up because we mind melded on sig and I liked their post on Guillo, which was also how I got around to a townread on them despite being blinded by OMGUS for a bit.

same question regarding Michelle

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:24 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm RondoDimBuckle - Also explained Rondo before. But to recap, it was because of their uncooperative attitude. Probably a bit too weak a reason at this point.

Do you have any comment on Rondo's death?

(EBWOP, I accidentally put that into the quotation lol)

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:45 pm RondoDimBuckle - Also explained Rondo before. But to recap, it was because of their uncooperative attitude. Probably a bit too weak a reason at this point.

Do you have any comment on Rondo's death?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:32 pm It probably was just w/w wagons

Two minimum in mr/darling/alison/dizzy

i don't actually think dizzy is a wolf
the rest though, they all have scum equity

wow
I went off to play palworld for a while because thread was quiet, and only 5 posts since then

ok sorry i'll stop spamming the thread, i'm willing to bounce thoughts with people whenever you're around!

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:32 pm Michelle being nk is expected ig

But why Rondo.

Was Rondo town or mafia kill?

i'm guessing they didnt come from the same source? michelle is an obv kill target but rondo was like the only one hard pushing her so it would make no sense to kill him too, unless maf aren't paying any attention to the game whatsoever (which tbh, brad probably wasn't)
so if they're both mafia kills then the whole team is probably not reading the game lol
idk if i want to believe that

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:31 pm Also the night kills not being on Brad points to a bus

well
do we really think scum had two kills in here, if we also assume scum must be in the other thread? seems kinda weird if so, unless there's a redirector who can reach across threads lol
i feel like one of them had to be some other form of kp

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:29 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:26 pm My thing is why did wolves not jump on Alison instead of bussing? Why did Alison get stuck at 3?
yeah couldve just been w/w wagons

this was my thought last night

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:28 pm I just want pyxxy

i kinda hope there's a thread merge mechanic later, or some players get shuffled around between threads cause it would be fun to talk to everyone

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:24 pm Cape doesn't look good imo

why not?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:22 pm Honestly my gameplab last night was to lynch Alison D2 and Dyslexicon D3

but now I am unsure

The push on Sabiplz looks like something?

one thing that bothers me about alison is that, as pointed out yesterday, she didn't react too much to wagon pressure on herself. which on its own seems fine to me, i don't take issue with a lack of defensiveness, but then when brad was getting wagoned alison didn't really seem to have much input on it? like not only did she not defend herself, she just kinda let the brad wagon happen but was hands-off about it, which i'd kinda expect from someone who doesn't want to bus their partner but also doesn't deal with the fact that their partner has imploded and is most definitely going over, and they'd rather their partner goes over than themself.

does that make any sense? or am i overthinking things? i do want to continue to hear alison's pov in case it changes my mind.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:20 pm Is it town indicative or wolf indicative for Dyslexicon to have these weird takes?

trying to think if i've seen wolf!Dizzy before
probably once and i don't remember
i don't think weird takes are out of his townrange, i've definitely tunnelled him for that and he was town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:17 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:12 pm [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Sure
Lol OK

I'm the one who was saying Brad is outted first.
Didn't Brad also just not play

Like

Wolves would have no problem bussing him

Probably he opposite

But I haven't been shining yet so

I know you town read Creature

But someone comment on the dooming thing

Like isn't he always opposed to chopping low posters and always dooming about whatever the main wagon is

creature did doom at first iirc, said something about the game going in the wrong direction and brad lowposting being whatever, but then brad was kinda being rude to creature for whatever reason so tbh, if i were in creature's position i probably would've stopped caring if brad flipped too

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:12 pm i actually cant remember if LC simps michelle but if its true and he ignored her then maybe he broke meta

Someone corroborate ig

yeah he usually does, sabi is correct
he also usually simps me and he actively avoided interacting with me (usually if I push his buttons and start saying he's scummy he reacts to it)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:10 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:04 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:03 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon ] aubergine

The defense of Brad was weird

Also MR post about wolf chat and Brad is???

Ahhh
?
Didn't MR talk about how pinging Brad wouldn't help because something about wolfchat
oh that whole thing was if mr was wolf *without* brad but whatever lol
Yea it was a weird point to bring.

I also hated DarlingMonroe interaction with Brad so mucb

same, that caught my attention

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