I don't really take issue with 6 potential vig shots as they had a low chance of hitting. It's just that Nutella and I both got lucky with ours, and leetic did not. Plus, since anyone could participate, it was kind of up to the wolfteams and town how much they wanted to try winning the vig shots. One SK, one town and one wolf winning the shots is pretty funny, actually.
I do agree that I was PoE'd because of balance mech, but I did try to use exactly that argument to get myself out of it, so I can't really say it was unfair. It almost worked, too. And also things mightve ended differently if I'd remembered to vote leetic in the poll (I legit forgot to do it), but tbh I think they earned their win, fair and square, and against all odds. They probably had the toughest role in the game to maneuver (and probably the other 3ps had the next hardest wincon).
I was genuinely trying to solve for the landlord team and any potential serial killers, but I did also have to push agenda on top of that. My early game was true scumhunting, contrary to what it may have seemed, and my late game was much more agenda'd after Rico and Lemon flipped, and I knew I had to identify the landlord but avoid flipping them until Fx.
Overall, I had a lot of fun, and the playerlist was awesome! Hosts did a phenomenal job with the roles, mechanics, events, etc.
Search found 632 matches
Return to “Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]”
- Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:52 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:37 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
And thanks hosts for an awesome game!
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:36 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Same for me, and looking forward to the next game here! Everyone here was formidable and worked hard toward their wincons (and if I ever said otherwise, it's because I was a wolf lol, I appreciate all of you even if I had to push you or thought you were a landlord)
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:35 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
It was a pleasure wolfing with you! We had a great teamRicochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:31 pm Nah, iz fine.
GGs all around.
Congrats, leetic! Well earned, take joy in it.
Amazing performance, WWA, thanks for playing to bring it for us, against literally all odds, till the very last minute. I heavily enjoyed the teamwork, Arbiters were respected and respectable throughout and I take some final pride in that alone.
Thank you hosts for the game, real shame about the game proving a soft lock for wolves, but I'm certain you've tried your best and weathered the worst.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:34 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:33 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Just as well, then xDleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:31 pmI self-protected N5, so it wouldn't have mattered.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:28 pm Also, I almost killed leetic a few nights ago but swapped to Long Con instead
Interesting how that mightve turned out
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:33 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:28 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Also, I almost killed leetic a few nights ago but swapped to Long Con instead
Interesting how that mightve turned out
Interesting how that mightve turned out
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:26 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I gotta admit that I legit thought Alison was a wolf from the other team from N0 lol
You as well, because I genuinely misinterpreted your post about falcon for who knows what reason
I was in another game at the same time and managed to misread my rolecard in that game, causing absolutely massive thread confusion there
My head was definitely not screwed on straight xD
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:24 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:24 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:23 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:23 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Oh, so I was right about Nook, for the wrong reasons lmaoS~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:22 pmActually, WWA also killed Epi last night and Nook killed Dizzy the same time you did.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:18 pmI could only kill even nights, and in fact the only people I successfully managed to kill were Dyslexicon and Epignosis (though I may or may not have killed nutella by accident). The rest was pure enduranceWindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:16 pmVery good play, I couldn't pinpoint you as SK xD I considered that the mafia puppet in East meant there was an extra 3p in West but the extra kills had stopped so I scrapped the idea lmao. Well done!
So absolutely no one suspected you were there!
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:21 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:20 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Arbiters had an odd-night kill btw
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:20 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Oh what lmaoleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:18 pmI could only kill even nights, and in fact the only people I successfully managed to kill were Dyslexicon and Epignosis (though I may or may not have killed nutella by accident). The rest was pure enduranceWindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:16 pmVery good play, I couldn't pinpoint you as SK xD I considered that the mafia puppet in East meant there was an extra 3p in West but the extra kills had stopped so I scrapped the idea lmao. Well done!
I saw Nanook on Dizzy the night he died and thought he mightve killed. And I also killed Epi last night so I guess we overlapped lol, I roleblocked him because I suspected he was a bus driver.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:18 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:17 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
It's gonna be my only clean wolf game of the year, as it traditionally goes xD
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:16 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Very good play, I couldn't pinpoint you as SK xD I considered that the mafia puppet in East meant there was an extra 3p in West but the extra kills had stopped so I scrapped the idea lmao. Well done!
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:14 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Aaaaaaaaa I was wondering why leetic had vanished when Delta and I were still talking
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:14 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:00 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:59 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Anyway I appreciate you both (and everyone else in this game tbh)
It's been fun, no hard feelings
It's been fun, no hard feelings
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:58 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
If I get mislunched with the incorrect solve, then
Welp, time to retire? Lmao
Welp, time to retire? Lmao
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:58 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Tbh I'd rather get mislunched with the correct solve than incorrectly hammer the townie between you
And that makes me feel very weird
And that makes me feel very weird
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:57 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
But also idk because I'm trying to convince MYSELF that I'm making the right vote
And it feels like wherever I vote it's gonna magically be wrong regardless because I do NOT have a good success streak in LyLo
And it feels like wherever I vote it's gonna magically be wrong regardless because I do NOT have a good success streak in LyLo
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:56 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Because LyLo is terrifying and my generally crippling inability to make decisions is way worse in LyLo than it is any other time lolleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:54 pmIf you're that certain, why haven't you voted yet?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:53 pmI'm not going to convince you much on Delta if I don't think Delta is wolfing, thoughleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:50 pm This is definitely nerve-wracking, and I know if I'm wrong I'm gonna be yelled at by everyone in the postgame. Nevertheless, I must make a decision, so [VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine. Ultimately, it's just Delta's roleblock that I simply cannot get past. Further, Delta's play here is typical of townies that wolves prefer to keep around for endgame. It's nervewracking, but I want to give WWA one last chance to sway me.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:55 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I completely agree with leetic that Delta seems like too easy of a solution, but at the same time it makes it easy for a wolf to feign indecision for that reason. So I'm voting leetic.
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:53 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm not going to convince you much on Delta if I don't think Delta is wolfing, thoughleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:50 pm This is definitely nerve-wracking, and I know if I'm wrong I'm gonna be yelled at by everyone in the postgame. Nevertheless, I must make a decision, so [VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine. Ultimately, it's just Delta's roleblock that I simply cannot get past. Further, Delta's play here is typical of townies that wolves prefer to keep around for endgame. It's nervewracking, but I want to give WWA one last chance to sway me.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:51 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Rightleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:46 pmI mean, that depends on the player doesn't it? I've seen wolves like NANOOK who slanked to endgameWindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 pmI've only ever seen Delta as town and 3p, a handful of games including mashes which are probably not the strongest on meta.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:40 pmWhat specific things do you think Delta wouldn't do as wolf? Do you have a lot of meta on them?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:39 pmLeaning back toward thinking it's you tbhleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:07 pmWhich direction would you say you're leaning in at the moment?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:49 pm Yesss I made it back for EoD! Gonna look at some stuff but I'm open to realtiming as well.
It's a combination of a couple factors. Quite a bit of it is actually more like, "I don't think Delta would do this as a wolf", though, which admittedly is not reasoning against you so much as it is reasoning for Delta being town.
One thing I don't think Delta would do as a wolf, or more generally that I don't think A Wolf would do, is float around in the thread so late in the game without that urgency to look like they're solving. I said this earlier but it's still on my mind. A wolf before the Wilgy flip would want to solve the other wolf team, and a wolf today would want to un-PoE themselves by looking productive. I feel pretty bad in saying this but I really do not get the impression Delta is attempting to look productive at all They skipped or procrastinating doing a lot of the analysis work they said they'd do earlier and they didn't really seem like they felt the need to make up for it. I mean, they were just ok with it like oh well it didn't get done, time to move on to the next thing. And I rarely see that from wolves.
Idk, maybe I'm falsely ascribing an assumption to Delta? But with the Nanook example, I don't think I've ever seen him promise to do solving work and then not do it. He would just... not promise anything in the first place. I just mean that wolves tend to be more conscious of what might get them read as disingenuous.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:49 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Endgame I think was basically triggered by us yeeting Davos. If we hadn't done that and we yeeted someone who was town, we would maybe unwittingly be in endgame depending on how Davos counted. Or I guess we could've yeeted Wilgy too. But I meant kind of generally, one Arbiter and one landlord is sort of endgaming already for the wolf teams. So there would be a lot of planning ahead I think.Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:42 pmAt what point do you consider things endgame, Davos died right before Wilgy ?_? ehWindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:34 pmAs I said earlier when Epi cased me, I don't have a counterargument for my interactions with the Arbiters. I obviously had interactions with and pinged them to get their thoughts, and in fact you would see even more of me pinging Lemonfairy in the East thread (because she kept dumping her readlist and then disappearing almost immediately after). I will not deny that I'd ping a partner to engage with me in the thread if I felt like it.Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:15 pm The main thing I was after from a w!Leetic game is seeing if they could replicate their usual town game of getting the ball rolling, since I know that was an issue for them D1 where they were shading a lot of content being posted N0. That game.. did kinda give me the idea that they can. I dont think they're a massively polarised player regardless but iirc they are getting back into forum mafia fairly recently so I do think there would be some sort of rust there. Might come back to bite me, especially since my early game was v heavy on w!Leetic, but overall I think how they approached the Arbiters feels less pairing than how WWA had
@WindwardAway you're around for the last hour, right? I've got a vote down on you, just. Level with me and talk for a bit, if you're town convince me I'm wrong here
What I can say, though, is that my play leading up to today doesn't line up with the optimal wolf strategy in my position. I'm the only one left in East thread, mechanical balance is very obviously pointing against me, and the only player who believed we should completely disregard the number of wolves per Facility died last night, which would've had to have been my kill if I'm the last wolf. Additionally it would've been in my interest to leave Davos alive until endgame if I thought it didn't actually pose a threat but wanted an easy cop-out, and/or to leave Wilgy alive (who was very obviously the landlord from my pov) and team up with him on yeeting someone in the West yesterday in the hopes I could instead get Wilgy yeeted today — because everyone thought Wilgy was more likely to flip wolf than I was.
Of course all of what I say here is up to anyone to decide if they believe it, because I can't prove whether I would've done these things or not. But I've been aware that I've been in the PoE for days, and i tried to clear my slot so that the rest of you could solve around it and remember my legacy by unvoting at the end of the day when Davos ended up flipping.
I raised the point of 'why are you offering to die' earlier on in the game because I think a wolf does need to show that kind of nonchalance around dying especially when being corner in by POE.
Epi also trusted both of you, and had been far more engaged than I was. He would've done far better here than what I think I'm doing now. That's part of what I attribute his kill to, rather than his views on things. Because he townread both of you and wouldve had a blank slate here regardless.
Fuck. I really dont know lmao
Correction, Epi would've had a blank slate if it were exactly leetic/me here in LyLo with him. He would've had to force his slate to clear if the remaining players were you and one of leetic+me because it would challenge his established reads, but there's always a bias there from before.
.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I've only ever seen Delta as town and 3p, a handful of games including mashes which are probably not the strongest on meta.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:40 pmWhat specific things do you think Delta wouldn't do as wolf? Do you have a lot of meta on them?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:39 pmLeaning back toward thinking it's you tbhleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:07 pmWhich direction would you say you're leaning in at the moment?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:49 pm Yesss I made it back for EoD! Gonna look at some stuff but I'm open to realtiming as well.
It's a combination of a couple factors. Quite a bit of it is actually more like, "I don't think Delta would do this as a wolf", though, which admittedly is not reasoning against you so much as it is reasoning for Delta being town.
One thing I don't think Delta would do as a wolf, or more generally that I don't think A Wolf would do, is float around in the thread so late in the game without that urgency to look like they're solving. I said this earlier but it's still on my mind. A wolf before the Wilgy flip would want to solve the other wolf team, and a wolf today would want to un-PoE themselves by looking productive. I feel pretty bad in saying this but I really do not get the impression Delta is attempting to look productive at all They skipped or procrastinating doing a lot of the analysis work they said they'd do earlier and they didn't really seem like they felt the need to make up for it. I mean, they were just ok with it like oh well it didn't get done, time to move on to the next thing. And I rarely see that from wolves.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:41 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yeah I know but I want to respond to thingsleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:37 pmWell, it's less than 25 minutes to EoD, so we don't have much timeWindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:36 pmI'm typing on my phone, I thought it would take less than 8 minutes but apparently not what's the pressure, anyway? I don't think I need to rush to react to it.
And I also have some conflicting thoughts that ive been trying to sort out that are bugging the hell out of me
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:39 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Leaning back toward thinking it's you tbhleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:07 pmWhich direction would you say you're leaning in at the moment?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:49 pm Yesss I made it back for EoD! Gonna look at some stuff but I'm open to realtiming as well.
It's a combination of a couple factors. Quite a bit of it is actually more like, "I don't think Delta would do this as a wolf", though, which admittedly is not reasoning against you so much as it is reasoning for Delta being town.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:36 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm typing on my phone, I thought it would take less than 8 minutes but apparently not what's the pressure, anyway? I don't think I need to rush to react to it.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:35 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:34 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
As I said earlier when Epi cased me, I don't have a counterargument for my interactions with the Arbiters. I obviously had interactions with and pinged them to get their thoughts, and in fact you would see even more of me pinging Lemonfairy in the East thread (because she kept dumping her readlist and then disappearing almost immediately after). I will not deny that I'd ping a partner to engage with me in the thread if I felt like it.Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:15 pm The main thing I was after from a w!Leetic game is seeing if they could replicate their usual town game of getting the ball rolling, since I know that was an issue for them D1 where they were shading a lot of content being posted N0. That game.. did kinda give me the idea that they can. I dont think they're a massively polarised player regardless but iirc they are getting back into forum mafia fairly recently so I do think there would be some sort of rust there. Might come back to bite me, especially since my early game was v heavy on w!Leetic, but overall I think how they approached the Arbiters feels less pairing than how WWA had
@WindwardAway you're around for the last hour, right? I've got a vote down on you, just. Level with me and talk for a bit, if you're town convince me I'm wrong here
What I can say, though, is that my play leading up to today doesn't line up with the optimal wolf strategy in my position. I'm the only one left in East thread, mechanical balance is very obviously pointing against me, and the only player who believed we should completely disregard the number of wolves per Facility died last night, which would've had to have been my kill if I'm the last wolf. Additionally it would've been in my interest to leave Davos alive until endgame if I thought it didn't actually pose a threat but wanted an easy cop-out, and/or to leave Wilgy alive (who was very obviously the landlord from my pov) and team up with him on yeeting someone in the West yesterday in the hopes I could instead get Wilgy yeeted today — because everyone thought Wilgy was more likely to flip wolf than I was.
Of course all of what I say here is up to anyone to decide if they believe it, because I can't prove whether I would've done these things or not. But I've been aware that I've been in the PoE for days, and i tried to clear my slot so that the rest of you could solve around it and remember my legacy by unvoting at the end of the day when Davos ended up flipping.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:16 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 7]
As I said before, and to disagree with what Epi said about it, I thought if the wagons were close between Davos and me and there was going to be resistance to flipping them, my flip would be more informative. Yes, it was risky, but look where we are now. The thread still hasn't seen my flip, so you can't know that I'm town. If I had flipped on that day instead of Davos, you'd see me flip town and then you'd have to think about why I was so certain that Davos was a key information flip. Not only did it give us info on the landlords (and ultimately, Wilgy being Davos's puppetmaster), but I also pointed out that there had to be a wolf voting Davos, definitely to get themselves out of the immediate PoE but likely also to distance from the slot. And I was right, Wilgy was the wolf there. I also said that there could be a second wolf in leetic, that was not my immediate thought going into yesterday or even going out of yesterday, but I revisited it today because it came into question again when I was reviewing the lead-up to the Davos yeet.Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:55 pmI keep coming back to this because it's likeWindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:58 pmBecause mafia would want a day wasted.
My point is, we CAN get the mafia that way, but we have to take the risk.
It's fine though, I'll flip today.
Legacy is sig and Epi are town, I believe mafia are within Wilgy/Delta/leetic and Davos if it's a separate slot, less likely Delta than the others.
Thanks for a great game, and I hope you guys pull through
It was so close to deadline, you had the extra vote on you, you didnt self pres etc so its like
I dont know what to make of it because when I say you towntold hard, I mean this
I dunno it's such a trivial thing to be weighing on my mind but it's still like
eh
It's stuck with me a lil I guess
I need to double check something though since you had the extra vote on you from the event and I cant remember if it's something Davos took part in or not
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:10 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
You can actually find a lot of Nutella's case on me in the N0 thread, as well as my (erroneous) case on her. In the East thread I dropped my push on her entirely cause it was pointed out to me that I misattributed one of her posts as directed toward me when it was in fact not directed toward anyone in particular. I did not, however, drop my push on Alison, and because Alison did nothing to defend herself when she was wagoned and didn't make much of an appearance when Brad was wagoned, my push there shifted to pushing her as partnered with Brad after his flip. Nutella maintained that Alison was town, dropped her scumread on me, and didn't pick it up again until in this thread.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:18 pmnutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pmYou are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interactionWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pmRead Brad's response to me, thoughnutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine
I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again
Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)
Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted himHere are nutella's posts on WWA's activity in the previous thread I could find. The idea that WWA was paired with Brad turned out to be false, but there's still the other point, but it's not elaborated much so I'm not sure how much I can get from it
Idk if this helps at all.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:49 pm
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Yesss I made it back for EoD! Gonna look at some stuff but I'm open to realtiming as well.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:45 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 7]
Went back to actually look at this, and yeah, leetic is right, Wilgy did a very elaborate OMGUS. He voted leetic pretty much right after leetic said Wilgy and I had to be the last wolves and made this post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 pm The only players who'd kill Nutella are Epi/Leetic. Leetic has been pretty much the most vocal on both chain yeeting WWA and I, and that Davos should be ignored.
Davos - Leetic aligned. Leetic keeps suggesting we take alternative routes to solving this and keeps treating this slot with confidence that it can be solved this way.
Delta - would be incriminated, much more likely to make a kill on west that removes detractors.
Epi - COULD make the kill, but killing Nutella and then not focusing on WWA doesn't make sense. W Epi could in fact choose to not take the path of least resistance, but I probably just lose to that. (also took the lingerie, I wanted that.)
Leetic - WOULD have made the kill. Went from suspecting MR as remaining arbiter, to voting me in contrary to suspicion on MR, and only really moving back to MR on the justification of self voting. Nutella and MR both were the east side players that were vocal on that the PoE being east was incorrect. Leetic's play keeps us constrained to the East PoE and has consistently ignored/minimized Davos. (also they grabbed the weapon option provided today, which is probably minor but i don't like it anyways.)
Sig - Has no reason to make the kill. Was already advocating suspicion on both threads, so hitting Nutella doesn't really advance that at all and removes someone who never really advocated against them.
WWA - would be incriminated, can still be wolf but didn't make the Nutella kill.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:33 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I mean, I do think he would've been likely to reconsider his reads today, but he would not necessarily have taken the angle that I'm more likely to be a wolf because of the thread split. And whichever of you two is a wolf, likely knew he'd be harder to convince to vote me just on that premise.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:31 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 6]
Actually, I think this is probably why Epi got killed last night.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:59 pmThis is what I'm talking about playing against the hosts.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:13 pm Look, in theory (a very questionable theory) we should just shoot into the East and have a 50% chance of hitting correctly.
But if we hit a town (and I can't help but feel we will) then the survivors need to abandon the idea of wolves only being there.
This is a gamblers fallacy.
Maybe they split shit up evenly.
Maybe they didn't.
You don't know.
Unless you do know.
Fuck the camps and get to work on who is bad.
He never focused on whether the wolves would be evenly split between the threads, over who he thought was actually wolfiest.
Im looking through some stuff while I have a couple minutes free
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:00 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 4]
Honestly, Rico posting in emojis kind of secured that people would not look too closely at his posts more than once so he could've said anything at all, to or about a partner, and I don't think it would be scrutinized as highly as it would on a day where he actually wrote with words and not emojis.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:44 amI'll address a couple of potential counterarguments for Ricochet. Yes, they had a restriction (or were at least faking one) that made it difficult to communicate, and their push on Delta was mainly based on Delta potentially being pyxxy's partner. However, Ricochet knew who the arbiters were and could make the list anything they wanted. Furthermore, the smiley restriction would make people less likely to question where they put people, and it's not like you can't easily argue that Delta's falcon interactions are less than impressive. If Ricochet wanted to continue the push on Delta, they very easily could have.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:35 amI would like to return to this point. Remember how Lemonfairy never brought up their supposed suspicion on Delta again after falcon died? Or how despite pushing Delta quite a few times D3 Ricochet only put them in the middling category? I can easily see this being a shift in the wolves' strategy after their first domino fell.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:12 amNext come the smiley posts, and while I probably should go over them I still really don't want to. However, this appears to be Ricochet's list of players based on falcon interactions (which we know to be entirely faked) so that is something a lot more straightforward, and sure I'll talk about WWA here too since I haven't talked about this post before. But first, Delta is in the same middle category as Lemonfairy, which is the largest grouping to boot. (For some reason, TSP gets their own category.) Windward is in a higher category, and if Ricochet wanted to put their partners in different categories it would point to Windward, but that's not something I would hold to any degree of certainty. Interestingly, the bottom two categories are free of any of Ricochet's partners; this does not appear to be typical of them (remember that they put falcon in the second to bottom category D1) so it may suggest that the arbiters were extremely wary of bussing after falcon's death.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:57 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 4]
On a side note, it's extremely funny to read the emojis as words xDleetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:15 amRicochet's post on Delta. I removed the colons from the smileys in case it would make the post any more readable. I still got nothing.Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:56 pm band
smoky smoky smoky
shrugDelta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:27 pmah, got it☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 amI read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lolDelta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:39 amWhat got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:06 am I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh
That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...
I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?
\o/
burpDelta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:43 pm of our thread, I feel most confident in LC/Abbi/Sloonei/Ricochet town, Epi/Leetic/TSP to a slightly lesser extent. Leaves question marks around Falcon/Sig. if there's town in either would go back and look at those I'm not as confident.
From the other side of the thread, I think WWA/DrWilgy/MR/Nutella have all seemed fine to me, nothing sure due to being first day back w both threads but that's my gut read for the opposing thread. Off of pure gut read I dont really think DM's reactions today feel wolfy, more in line with what I've skimmed from town games, but without seeing other thread there's only so much I can say on that. The rest have kinda just been white noise, Cape slight town ping but nothing huge.
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
I'm more comfortable voting within my facility today, as I mentioned earlier, so \o/
glgl o/
burger burger
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:54 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [Day 5]
Well, no, that's part of why I thought the last wolf was probably Delta yesterday. He promised to go through the West thread for interactions, but he kinda stopped after ISOing pyxxy and... that was it. Didn't touch Rico or falcon. Also didn't look through Abbi's ISO, but all the landlords are flipped now anyway. I thought it was suspicious that he never touched any of the arbiters' ISOs and I said as much.leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:31 amThis is Delta's only mention of Lemonfairy D3. Delta did express an interest in Davos in their opener, so it's not like this post came out of nowhere. But Lemonfairy was being voted by (at least) NANOOK and Dyslexicon at the time, so it is a little interesting that they had no further comment on the wagon. And as I said before, Lemonfairy's absence from the post where they vote falcon is noticeable.
I was about to say that was the only pre-flip Lemonfairy interaction, but then I noticed this post from D5, which doesn't really move the needle either way. I guess I'm a little late on this one, but the wagon was NANOOK and Davos (per the post), with maybe Abby on it at that point as well? All three flipped not arbiter. I don't think Delta ever got that "manually compiled version"?Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:47 pmIs there a record of what the wagon was like at that point?leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:46 pmChooses to basically ignore the Lemon wagon, interesting. I would not be surprised if there was at least one Arbiter among themRicochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:22 pm I have to close in an hour. Will try to finish a scan of the Darling wagoners.
Lemon wagoners probably not worth pursuing. And, in just two lines, there's nothing good looking left in there. I recall no serious push(es) from Nanook - just an instavote on sabi, due to lingering post-wolfflip, and then a tag vote right after Dizzy back and forth. Davos doesn't sound like making any trustworthy contribution all game and just plants votes. I trusted Scrappy more in West, I'd come back to whether Davos can be trusted, but not this phase, I suppose.
I can go back and get a manually compiled version otherwise
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:47 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
Then I'll take a look at the previous day, too, when I get the chance. About the sock puppet, I'm guessing he just gave in to your pressure to do something about it, while also trying to distance himself from it in the hopes that he could get me to flip next. Considering not everyone agreed with me that the owner was still alive, maybe he would've been successful in convincing people not to yeet him after I flipped town, but I kinda think the Davos flip sealed his fate anyway and guaranteed that he wouldn't survive endgame.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:30 pmWilgy's push on me was an OMGUS, after I concluded (at F9 I believe?) that Wilgy was the most likely wolf from your side. He did the exact same thing with nutella, but said feud conveniently ended with nutella's death (and his push on you may have been the same as well). This was actually one of the reasons I wolfread Wilgy: he pulled a similar OMGUS on me on the only other wolf game of his that I've seen, and while that was eight years ago I guess old habits die hard. I am certainly mystified why he gave up a push on me to go after his sock partner, but I guess that'll have to be something I'll ask him in postgame.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:18 pm I've been trying to read Wilgy's posts for whatever good that does.
Because I do believe he was genuinely hunting for the last wolf, but then again it wouldn't have mattered to him who got lunched as long as it wasn't him.
He put extremely heavy suspicion on leetic two days ago and said he'd bet the game on leetic being a wolf, but spent all of yesterday pushing back against my case that he had to be Davos's owner and that I had to specifically be an arbiter to think that, and didn't really revisit leetic at all but instead pointed a weak finger at Epi, who has since flipped town.
But like, no, that was a bogus counterargument and Wilgy knew it lol. Wilgy was the only other one besides me from East Facility. And Davos flipped landlord. So that's the thing that sealed the deal for me, Wilgy never truly scumhunted me, he pushed me for being a wolf on the basis that I was pushing that he was a landlord, which he was.
This came up cause I was looking through leetic's posts from the day we yeeted Davos, and it got me wondering, how close were we to a full solve that day, as compared to yesterday? There was more pushback then, while yesterday was considerably more quiet.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:37 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I don't think I've made it to F3 in a while. I've gotten misyeeted as town, hammered incorrectly as town, and won as a wolf in that FoL game I linked (the one with the poison, so essentially one IC plus a second townie and me). I won an F3 as town at some point like a year or more ago, lol.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:24 pmThis is my second F3 as far as I can remember, though I have been in a few F4s. First time didn't go so well; I got the wolf correct but was unable to convince the other townie in time. It's definitely stressful, especially when you can't enter the thread for large stretches of time, but fortunately that should no longer be an issue for me.Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:09 pm;_; I do apologise, been a series of unfortunate events & other things that are my fault
this is the first f3 ive been part of and being handed hammer - its not really hammer but theres the cross there so it does feel like it comes down to me - is terrifying so I want to be thorough, both from a mech standpoint and a reads one
Thing is that I lost the games where I rushed into drawing conclusions based on either a tunnel or hasty solving, and I won the games where I spent the full phase reasoning out who the last wolf was and talking to both of the others, and I don't really have the full phase to spend on it here, which is why I've been trying to get as much done as I could early in the day. But with a full-length day, at the very least, the other townie can make use of the extra time even if I can't. I'm still gonna try to make it for the last hour of the day.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:29 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
I'm pretty sure Nutella and Wilgy both brought up my history of pushes but I'll have to dig for where they talked about it. I know Nutella brought up my pushes on Alison and her in context of voting me, and took the stance that I must've bussed Brad, while Wilgy took the opposite stance and said I definitely didn't bus Brad (which is funny, because he actually knew I didn't lol). So at least that much was mentioned here, somewhere on the day before Nutella got murked.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:16 pmI can't exactly take your word for it since nobody's around to fact-check, although if any past statements in this thread from dead townies corroborate your claims it would be helpful if you could quote them.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:02 pm As for me, idk if I really have much of a defense, I can tell you that in East thread I mostly pushed Alison and Nutella at the start, then reversed my Nutella read, happily wagoned Brad, and misyeeted Alison.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:20 am
- Forum: Previous Sit Downs
- Topic: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]
- Replies: 3227
- Views: 36423
Re: Game of Champions- Merged Thread [DAY 9]
That's part of what baffles me, but also that ALL of the Arbiters had little to no interaction with Delta. It's not even just falcon. There are mentions of Delta but hardly any attempt to talk with them. And what I normally expect is that there are some wolves who will avoid interacting with partners but others who will make an effort in that department.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:11 pmIf Delta is the last arbiter, falcon managed to spend the entirety of D3 not interacting with any of their partners. He did interact with Ricochet and Delta a little bit in the previous thread thoughWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:54 pm I guess my biggest question is, how likely is it that all of the Arbiters decided to avoid interacting with their last partner?