The Syndicate

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:35 pm however i think town didn't really make good use of the mechs. not your fault, just i think not enough people were plugged in enough to make it work

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:00 pm

gg mafia. That’s all I gotta say about that.

Thanks for the fun times in spec chat, @pyxxy. That was fun!

Thanks for the game, Wilgy- love the theme

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:02 pm i just killed by post count and effort

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:44 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:37 pm I’m not usually a policy vote type player but if we don’t have a vig who will shoot Doom and if she won’t play we do have to resolve that sooner rather than later.

Is this your way of TMI-ing that the current wagons are TvT?

Believe it or not people can give op ions without it being TMI

All I’m saying, is she’s basically saying she won’t play and to kill her. Then voting with no call outs and saying she doesn’t care: that’s not pro towny and not someone we should have in end game

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:59 am also if someone has 1st awakening and it tells you anything useful you need to claim it and clear people

otherwise cough cough some of you lied about giving breathhhhhhhssssssssss

i agree with this fwiw, if someone got 1st awakening and knew who gave breaths away that'd be useful to know

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:30 pm I gave away my breath

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:37 pm I’m not usually a policy vote type player but if we don’t have a vig who will shoot Doom and if she won’t play we do have to resolve that sooner rather than later.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:59 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:39 pm Hey Sean

What would you do if you had 500 breaths?

ah did you also realize that Seanzie has forgotten that he was really interested in mech talk D1 yet hasn't brought it up once here on D2 now that the mafia leader has flipped?

especially since anyone who has 0 breaths right now is very likely to be town because mafia has no non-WIFOM incentive to give breaths to townies and they wouldn't given their breaths to a dying falcon so if we have even 1 townie with the 1st awakening we could mech clear a bunch of people (with an asterisk)?

and if the mech allowed falcon to give his breaths away before dying then there is 100% a mafia with 4 breaths right now and the other one has/had zero reason to give away the other unless they were explicitly trying to avoid this aka the WIFOM scenario?

so if you had just given me your breath like I asked we would have a free mech clear pool or it would be guaranteed to have 1 mafia at most? and you would also be clear (granted I could not have guaranteed this ahead of time)

alas

Depends no. If Falcon gavehis breath to a mafia and a town accidently gave their breath to a mafia why wouldn't the other mafia stack another breath on that mafia?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:39 pm Hey Sean

What would you do if you had 500 breaths?

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:17 pm pyxxy is wolfy here but I also feel he's classic mislynch bait. I would like some help here.

The more pyxxy posts the more I'm convinced pyxxy is wolf lol

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:36 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:30 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:15 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:56 pm entire cw + scotty being clear = 2 wolves on falcon

that's my interpretation of the gamestate, and i'm 99% correct

neon is a chronic busser, her not voting mafia is virtually clearing fmpov

I... hate this. Fuck.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:16 am Fuck it...

@lucy why do scum bus their most powerful role?

falcon is a bad wolf who wasn't trying and was suspected by several players including nutella, who is a strong leader who is capable of rallying people behind her

most scum in my experience tend to take the path of least resistance, and the fact that there were 8 votes on him make it more probable than not a teammate voted him

Problem is I think pyxxy is open wolfing lol

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:38 pm On that note

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:18 pm srceenplay is [...] someone I can see [...] as classic mislynch bait.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:50 pm pyxxy
S~V~S
Scotty
sig
srceenplay

Oops forgot to remove Seanzie.

*pet pet* good boy

what is up my fairy friend?

What have you learned from falcon’s flip? Anything?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:02 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:10 am doom/sig/creature/svs poe

I know I'm fine with dying asap, but I did get falcon mafia killed

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:28 pm

Spoiler: show

Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: Gira, nutella, sig, lucy
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4 [actually 3]
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:31 pm In effort to figure out what's wrong with the poll at the moment. The cognitive shadow (guest) votes will not count. Lets please mark our votes in thread going forward that way we can use the current list in combination with said votes. Said votes will hold priority until the issue is resolved.

@falcon45ca I will still be counting a Gira vote unless defined in the thread.

Current votes:

Spoiler: show

Who's causing trouble?
Poll runs till Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:30 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: lucy, Gira, nutella, sig
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest
srceenplay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Some street drab (host/spec/dead/non)
2
13%
Voters: DrWilgy, dunya
Total votes: 15

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:37 pm I think falcon is mafia

turns out you can iso people by clicking the posts in topic

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:38 pm i trust falcon voters

and i assume someone can read him there, i won't bother reading him

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:51 pm I feel good re Scotty, breathing down my neck is molto town for him.

I felt OK about sig and have no real sense of Falcon and where he stands, so I’ll vote there and come back to Doom tomorrow.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:22 pm ok the wagon i wanted built up and then thread died this does wonders for my confidence

It would worry me tbh

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:04 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

work?

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:27 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:28 pm Alright whatever

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:28 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:28 pm 8 votes is to good of a consensus d1

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:50 pm pyxxy
S~V~S
Scotty
sig
srceenplay

Oops forgot to remove Seanzie.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:47 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:46 am Last night I had Gira/Neon/nutella/lucy/maybe DOOM as town. So aorn my reads are at:

Gira
Neon

lucy

DaughterOfOmega

everyone else

I guess that leaves:

pyxxy
S~V~S
Scotty
Seanzie
sig
srceenplay

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:17 am Hey y'all,

I wanted to let you know I had a death in my family. It was my uncle, and we weren't close, but he was my Dads younger brother and he's pretty broken up, so I'm going to go hang with him today, and probably tomorrow, and will be AFK. I should be back to catch up in the evenings so I can make an informed vote.

At this point I'm going to vote Pyxxy, as I read back last night and agree with Sean, although now Sean seems to be on Neon? In any case, thanks for patience.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:41 am I think...Pyxxy could go either way

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:07 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:19 pm I hate the fact that i kind of think the team is {Scotty, Neon}. This is a horrible team.

And I will kind of drop Scotty.

If Scotty is wolf the team always slaughters Scotty over Falc yesterday.

Press x to doubt.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:54 pm i just played with pyxxy for 2 weeks as scum and iso'ed and cased him to death, there's just a towniness in his iso + he's comfortable + depth of thought and a lack of agenda that i will call town here

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:53 pm I lead a wagon on a mafia, and I don't get NK'd

I feel invisible in mafia these days

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:54 pm Pyxxy having the audacity to not call me town

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:10 am tbf Scotty is my only real scum read

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:43 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:51 pm

@Scotty @sig I recommend choosing a non-vanity wagon for wagonomics

@S~V~S @pyxxy uhh... vote plz.

For now [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'll catch up during my lunch break + watching march madness

What happened to catching up?

What's good seanzie

Does nutella dying make anyone in particular look bad, in your opinion?

Are you going to answer the question I asked?

I did in my second post, refresh the thread

Or Falcon's wagon grew and you didn't know how to hop on it or get others to hop off it in an organic manner so you froze.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:43 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:49 pm Hey everyone, it's time to consolidate votes.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty @sig I recommend choosing a non-vanity wagon for wagonomics

@S~V~S @pyxxy uhh... vote plz.

For now [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'll catch up during my lunch break + watching march madness

What happened to catching up?

What's good seanzie

Does nutella dying make anyone in particular look bad, in your opinion?

Are you going to answer the question I asked?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:49 pm Hey everyone, it's time to consolidate votes.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty @sig I recommend choosing a non-vanity wagon for wagonomics

@S~V~S @pyxxy uhh... vote plz.

For now [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

I'll catch up during my lunch break + watching march madness

What happened to catching up?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:49 pm Hey everyone, it's time to consolidate votes.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty @sig I recommend choosing a non-vanity wagon for wagonomics

@S~V~S @pyxxy uhh... vote plz.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:06 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:34 pm although sorry I was mixing two pieces here, I'm mostly saying that referring to the town power role as Lightsong might be confusing since flavor is randomized, although maybe I'm misunderstanding that part

my second statement stands, there's a possibility that you're not considering

The post just means the flavor roles are randomized and don’t mean anything.
But lightsong isn’t a flavor role- it’s a role role.

Anyway, you’re further proving to me you aren’t lightsong. But that’s ok, doesn’t mean you’re bad

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:06 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:16 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:02 am I could give up my breath today, I don’t mind

gimme

what's with u wanting breaths so much

pyxxy not lightsong confirmed

mr mech hasn't read the entire setup, eh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:44 pm Flavor list:

Spoiler: show

Blushweaver - The epitome of beauty and often seen in revealing gowns of green and silver, Blushweaver sees herself as the goddess of love and romance. She is determined to see Hallandren improve and takes her role role as a god seriously.

Bluefingers - An older man and servant of the God King's palace, Bluefingers earned his nickname as his fingers seem perpetually stained with blue ink.

Clod - A Lifeless; a corpse reanimated by breath to serve their master's commands, Clod is a skilled warrior maintained by Jewels.

Dedelin - The king of Idris, father of Vivenna, Ridger, Fafen, and Siri. In doing what he believes is the best for his kingdom, Dedelin faces an impossible decision that will determine the fate of Idris.

Denth - An exceptional swordsman dressed in nondescript clothing, Denth is a Mercenary working with Jewels and Tonk Fah.

Hoid - A master storyteller, Hoid is summoned to the Hallandren Court of the Gods by Lightsong the Bold to recount historical tales.

Jewels - A blunt and irritable woman, Jewels maintains the lifeless Clod, restoring the corpse to working order whenever needed.

Lemex - An Idrian merchant living in the capital city of Hallandren, Lemex serves as the chief spy for King Dedelin.

Llarimar - A tall, portly man with spectacles and a calm demeanor, Llarimar serves as the high priest of Lightsong the Bold.

Siri - Third born princess of Idris, her role was that of redundancy. With little expected of her, she spent her days ignoring her tutors and pushing boundaries. While she has the Royal Locks, she has very poor control over them.

Tonk Fah - A man of great size, a capable warrior and extremely strong, Tonk Fah serves as a mercenary alongside Denth and Jewels.

Treledees - High Priest to the God King, he wears ornate clothing and acts with authority. Clever, observant and covert, Treledees is a devoted man and takes his role seriously.

Vivenna - Firstborn princess of Idris, she was raised and trained to be the bride to the Hallandren God King. In strict adherence to Idrian belief, she garbs herself in simple clothing and maintains a strong control of the Royal Locks, keeping her hair a solid black in color.

Please note that all players, even power roles and scum will receive one of these flavor roles as an alias. Flavor roles will be randomized prior to alignments and power roles. Flavor roles will not have any impact upon player alignment and is mostly for fun/fluff.

also maybe you've already considered but what if [REDACTED MECH GAME THEORY]

tread lightly, scotty

Huh? I’m talking about this here:

Lightsong will begin the game with 4 breaths and the use of breaths for the second heightening will not decrease their total breaths. Lightsong is immune to poison. If Lightsong gives away their breath, their vote weight will become 0 until a breath is restored. Lastly Lightsong may not accrue more than 4 breaths at a time, excess breaths will be lost.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:16 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:02 am I could give up my breath today, I don’t mind

gimme

what's with u wanting breaths so much

pyxxy not lightsong confirmed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:44 pm Flavor list:

Spoiler: show

Blushweaver - The epitome of beauty and often seen in revealing gowns of green and silver, Blushweaver sees herself as the goddess of love and romance. She is determined to see Hallandren improve and takes her role role as a god seriously.

Bluefingers - An older man and servant of the God King's palace, Bluefingers earned his nickname as his fingers seem perpetually stained with blue ink.

Clod - A Lifeless; a corpse reanimated by breath to serve their master's commands, Clod is a skilled warrior maintained by Jewels.

Dedelin - The king of Idris, father of Vivenna, Ridger, Fafen, and Siri. In doing what he believes is the best for his kingdom, Dedelin faces an impossible decision that will determine the fate of Idris.

Denth - An exceptional swordsman dressed in nondescript clothing, Denth is a Mercenary working with Jewels and Tonk Fah.

Hoid - A master storyteller, Hoid is summoned to the Hallandren Court of the Gods by Lightsong the Bold to recount historical tales.

Jewels - A blunt and irritable woman, Jewels maintains the lifeless Clod, restoring the corpse to working order whenever needed.

Lemex - An Idrian merchant living in the capital city of Hallandren, Lemex serves as the chief spy for King Dedelin.

Llarimar - A tall, portly man with spectacles and a calm demeanor, Llarimar serves as the high priest of Lightsong the Bold.

Siri - Third born princess of Idris, her role was that of redundancy. With little expected of her, she spent her days ignoring her tutors and pushing boundaries. While she has the Royal Locks, she has very poor control over them.

Tonk Fah - A man of great size, a capable warrior and extremely strong, Tonk Fah serves as a mercenary alongside Denth and Jewels.

Treledees - High Priest to the God King, he wears ornate clothing and acts with authority. Clever, observant and covert, Treledees is a devoted man and takes his role seriously.

Vivenna - Firstborn princess of Idris, she was raised and trained to be the bride to the Hallandren God King. In strict adherence to Idrian belief, she garbs herself in simple clothing and maintains a strong control of the Royal Locks, keeping her hair a solid black in color.

Please note that all players, even power roles and scum will receive one of these flavor roles as an alias. Flavor roles will be randomized prior to alignments and power roles. Flavor roles will not have any impact upon player alignment and is mostly for fun/fluff.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:45 pm what happened here

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:32 pm hmmmm okay hey Gira if you want me to delete that post let me know, I got excited but if you're not about online small doxx I'm sorry I acted hastily

uh preferably

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:27 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:02 am I could give up my breath today, I don’t mind

gimme

what's with u wanting breaths so much

y u wanna know

so i can set the factional kill to you

or maybe i'm trying to understand your psychology because you openly asking for breaths is the most notable thing you've done and in general the game works by trying to look at the actions of others and assess their motivations in order to determine their alignment

a multitude of possibilities really

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:23 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:36 am @lucy to answer your plea honestly, the tl;dr of my mech post is this:

If you look like you’re about to be chopped, it’s best to give away your breath early in the game. If multiple town have been mischopped already, unless someone claims to have ~3 breaths and seems townread, I would just let your breath die with you.

Maybe.

I'll never give away my breath. Unless I did already.

PS I did. I have given it to the player who is a mechanical God and will understand how to utilize it mechanically better than I ever could

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:02 am I could give up my breath today, I don’t mind

gimme

what's with u wanting breaths so much

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:02 am I could give up my breath today, I don’t mind

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:31 pm [quote=S~V~S post_id=<a href="tel:1028816">1028816</a> time=<a href="tel:1678897636">1678897636</a> user_id=54]
My top 3 would be Creature, Scotty and Sean. In this game mech talk is beneficial, and they’re trying to figure out the most beneficial way to use the extra layer the breaths mechanic provides to the towns best advantage.

I also think Neon is on her town game.

Mid tier is Falcon, nutella and sig. screenplay, too.

Pyxxy only posted OT afaik. Gira hasn’t showed up.

As of now, I think Omega and/or Lucy are bad.

is gira wolfu

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:35 pm [scotty mech talk]

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:09 pm ok mech talk. (If you don’t like mech talk, put your fingers in your ears and make ambulance sounds)

I dunno if anyone else has read the book, but I have some ideas on a few things. It’s hard to talk about em without spoiling the book but in general I’m going to talk around certain mech that doesn’t spoil too much.


So hypothetically, if every person gave me their breath today, and I was then elim’d at end of day, all breaths in the game (save for secrets we don’t know from Vasher) would be gone. Kablooey. No respawn.

Breaths don’t seem to be something that can grow in trees. I find it likely that we lose more breaths from people NK’d than we end up giving to others. Which means reaching multiple heightenings is going to be few and far between. Only mafia can coordinate best in that regard.

So benefits of giving breaths is something I see most efficiently utilized if you know are you about to be eliminated and don’t want to waste your breath. Giving it to your one or two top town reads is probably just the move.

Currently if I gave my breath to someone at random, I have a 66% chance to hit a town. Which are meh odds, but not terrible. If we miselim today, it turns into probably a 50% chance if we were to do the same tomorrow. If we yeet mafia today, it turns into 70% chance tomorrow which isn’t bad, but not that different from today. I guess 66% is fine, but not a bet I’m always ready to make. Definitely not at 50%.

The human aspect of this is that I think people are far less likely to just..give their breath away. So this is probably all moot. And the heightenings are probably not a thing to count on this game.

Anyone else can weigh in on this, but if we miselim today, the odds get worse of successfully randomly giving our breath to a town for the rest of the game unless mafia are systematically voted out, but I don’t like the risk of giving away breaths on a day with no info.

So. I’m probably not gonna give my breath away for that reason.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The second heightening: MAFIA (4 breaths)
Mafia who achieve the second heightening may choose at night to janitor next yeet as long as they have voted for the person yeeted.”

This is a questionable ability because it’s expensive and potentially outing for mafia to do so if we can see vote totals. I wouldn’t hinge on mafia using this unless, like, everyone voted for one player the day before.

“The second heightening: TOWN (4 breaths)
Town who achieve the second heightening now have the capacity to protect themselves or others from a night kill. Attempting to do so will reduce the submitter's total breaths by one.”

This is a great ability and is probably the bread and butter of town’s utility. I don’t see anywhere that says claiming is not allowed, but claiming to have 4 breaths is probably something we should consider in our arsenal.

If someone came into day saying “I have 3 breaths” it may be in a 1-breath town’s best interest to volunteer their breath to that player to bolster the group.
Could the 3 breather be mafia? Sure? Could the person offering to gift the breath be lying? Sure. But I think it’s something to consider down the line.

“The third heightening (6 breaths)
Players who achieve the third heightening will now resist a nightkill or negative action taken against the player who has achieved the third heightening. If this ability is used, the player will return to having a single breath. Further, if they submit to use this power and a protection does not occur the power will not qualify as being used.”

This one confounds me. Because how I’m reading this is whoever reaches 6 breaths can just protect themself as infinitum, every night. So as long as they don’t get yeeted or POISONED, they’re invincible, since they just get to do it again the next night if they were protected. Until they get NK’d, and lose 5 breaths. But it sounds worth it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

The other thing is Vasher. I’m not going to spoil it, but he’s got some interesting stuff going on, and even though the syntax says that he gives his sword away to poison someone, but the power will ‘not qualify as being used’ if the target isn’t yeeted end of day. We know from the role list that mafia can’t be poisoned until the leader is killed, and light song can’t be poisoned.


What we don’t know:
-what constitutes a successful poison?
-will the poisoned player be announced publically?

So what we can infer:
-poisoning will most likely kill at end of day unless that player can’t be poisoned
-both factions have at least 1 player that can’t be poisoned, which means VT town could just be poisoned and killed off as a regular target. This means that Vasher is tried and true 3p that doesn’t serve town wincon. Because then he would just be a town.

Austere this is so hard to talk about with spoilering the book. I have reason to believe the sword, however, will mostly function as a means for Vasher to fulfill his win con in searching for mafia. But if he can only do it once per game? Something doesn’t add up if it also kills town. Unless he gets it back.

Here’s my prediction with mech and theme:
-Vasher starts with 6 breaths. He can’t give them. They’re probably used for a role ability.
-VT can probably be poisoned, but it probably doesn’t fulfill vasher’s wincon. But because he can secondhand kill town, he’s not on town’s side per se. But I would wager he’s more of a town-siding 3P than we can usually expect.
-So he probably has to spend breath or something to get the sword back and try again.

ps I am not Vasher, but if Vasher revealed himself I wouldn’t be immediately on the train to kill him


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