The Syndicate

my bad I have major skill issue

oh no

idk it feels weird

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:47 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:46 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm A town does not blindly push a low poster and they OMGUS anyone who questions.

Neon pushed a low-poster? (is Roxy a low poster?)

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm Roxy got pissed because this keeps happening where wolves push her easy slot

I don't really think Roxy is an easy slot to push
splints would be an easier push tbh

me on D1 was an easy push

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm I can't see past this. Maybe I am confbiased but it's just the most obvious answer to me

who do you think are Neon's partners then?
if you can't find anyone, that might be indication that they're town

By my estimation falcon is compatible. Splints is also compatible.

That’s probably the team

Neon/falcon/splints?

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:42 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:40 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:37 pm I disaggre but agrre to a bit off it. Mostly I am trying to save the town from making a massive mistake.

it will still be a massive mistake if you are town and we misexe someone else who is also town
I find it hard to understand why you're so sure Neon is mafia

I find it hard to understand how you are so sure I am mafia when you have been unable to put it into words.

your posts

your recent posts have felt desperate and you're throwing out names I townread as mafia for reasons I don't buy
you're also actively shading me even as I try to talk to you

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm A town does not blindly push a low poster and they OMGUS anyone who questions.

Neon pushed a low-poster? (is Roxy a low poster?)

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm Roxy got pissed because this keeps happening where wolves push her easy slot

I don't really think Roxy is an easy slot to push
splints would be an easier push tbh

me on D1 was an easy push

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:41 pm I can't see past this. Maybe I am confbiased but it's just the most obvious answer to me

who do you think are Neon's partners then?
if you can't find anyone, that might be indication that they're town

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:38 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:35 pm you also have not bothered to answer the questions I asked last time to try and engage with you

it was your response to me last time, I feel like why bother?

you misread my meaning
I was saying I don't particularly care for self-defense, not that I don't want to hear anything you say

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:37 pm I disaggre but agrre to a bit off it. Mostly I am trying to save the town from making a massive mistake.

it will still be a massive mistake if you are town and we misexe someone else who is also town
I find it hard to understand why you're so sure Neon is mafia

@Dennis if you could get off Neon pls
or idk talk to me

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

moving here

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:34 pm [VOTE: fingers] aubergine

falcon, what are you doing?
pls explain thoughts

you also have not bothered to answer the questions I asked last time to try and engage with you

I am trying to engage with you but you're just throwing shade on me
that's not pro-town behavior

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:31 pm I never really care about responses to suspicion tbh
I find it unhelpful most of the time

yes, I don't care about self-defense
it's useless

but I do want to understand your reads and where you're coming from b/c that's what will actually help me read you

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:32 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:28 pm This is why she is bad. Her partners will be fs and lemon. HK/Dennis last choice.

splints bc believe it or not she has tried this game more than the last couple.
lemon bc they are not bothering to re-evaluate

it's hard to believe these are real thoughts

especially as they are not even Scotty's reads.

no, they're your reads
I must've quoted them wrong

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:31 pm I seem to remember Kate saying once that Roxy can be a bit more aggressive as town.

And from my perusal of felt, she seemed far more passive. This game there have been a lot of idgaf’s

aggressive as in aggressively solving?
or pushing people more

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:28 pm This is why she is bad. Her partners will be fs and lemon. HK/Dennis last choice.

splints bc believe it or not she has tried this game more than the last couple.
lemon bc they are not bothering to re-evaluate

it's hard to believe these are real thoughts

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:25 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:22 pm Scotty, if you live past tonight, I will suddenly paranoia-scumread you and build my next mafia team around you while ignoring all of my previous reads

I’m getting nervous there won’t be a tonite

why?

I thought Roxy's reaction felt kind of outing
someone more familiar with Roxy's meta chime in and tell me if they usually react like this as town when being pushed or not

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:25 pm MMph really not loving having a tie

I will be voting Roxy dw

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:23 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:19 pm just one’s playing patty cake and the other is trying to play red rover

which is which lol

At least Dennis is trying to solve whereas lemon just does not gaf.

I don't appreciate the shade thrown on me

I am here and having fun

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:21 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:17 pm someone explain what is happening with the falcon/splits wagons lol

are you even playing this game?

lol

I was busy :c

what's your case on Neon?

Scotty, if you live past tonight, I will suddenly paranoia-scumread you and build my next mafia team around you while ignoring all of my previous reads

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:19 pm just one’s playing patty cake and the other is trying to play red rover

which is which lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:19 pm this team is plausible

it's not plausible lol

someone explain what is happening with the falcon/splits wagons lol

giving Dennis a slight side-eye to for that vote on Neon tbh

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:11 pm @Lemonfairy if you’re still around, who you thinking right now

I am weirdly here
looks like I will make EOD after all

I think I'd still vote Roxy tbh
Neon's pushback after Roxy started pushing her gave town Neon vibes

imo her posts also make a lot more sense than Roxy's, whose POV I am struggling to understand

I still kind of like fs' reads post (the one where they say they feel ok on Roxy and falcon and have slight townreads on me and Demnis)
idk it feels kind of pure?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:49 am I really hope some people post why they are voting Roxy soon, because I don’t get that suspicion at all.

^also find it hard to see this as w/w with Roxy

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:20 pm Lemonfairy is retaining towny behaviors blah blah blah I've had no real reason to reevaluate them

lol that's quite close to what I said about you

and continuing with my late-night potato thoughts
I do realize my world kind of hinges on Roxy being mafia and it would be kind of awkward if Roxy was town

I'd like to think I'm still very open to the idea that Roxy could be town and I'm just wrong but I do find it difficult to switch up my POE too much

Neon, I still think is town
I know Neon also has a good scumgame and I shouldn't put as much weight into her being happy and seemingly eager to solve at the start of the game but I think I kind of vibe with her this game and it also doesn't make much sense for scum Neon to be stuck on Roxy when other misexes are just as good

Dennis idk I haven't really re-evaled there (or anywhere aside from Wilgy) but they do feel mostly unaligned

Scotty feels like a breath of fresh air for the game
there was no need to try and push for a threadstate that's more conducive for solving if Scotty is scum
also the townread on Neon after looking through her ISO felt pretty real

fingersplits is probably someone I'm overlooking
I remember a post that said Roxy's treatment of fs was a little pockety and I agreed
I also liked this one posted they made early game but I don't think that's enough for anymore

another point on HK is that iirc they were one of the main pushing forces on Porscha? correct me if I'm wrong

actually falcon voting HK does throw me for a spin
I mean sure, they could be bussing or distancing but that could be me conf-biasing myself

I mean, I just answered

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:36 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:35 pm I have to sleep soon
sowwy but I will probably be very busy tomorrow and won't have time to post at all

my vote is on sleep rn
if I get the chance, I would move it onto an actual person (probably Roxy)

Who’s a secondary option. I need your input before you disappear into the candy forest

I was just about to answer that question about HK but idk if that was a answer lol

Scotty, regarding your question on why I scumread HK
I actually don't have any very good reasons™

I thought both HK and falcon felt like they were kind of defending Roxy and that was actually how I got to Roxy/HK/falcon but I actually have no idea how viable this team is

[edit: this second part is kind of a mess b/c I'm just trying to throw everything out before I forget]
Roxy because of earlier reasons I already said but also that one comment that wolves would not be voting pyxxy because wolves know pyxxy was town pinged me pretty hard
and falcon agreeing with it gave me bad vibes
there was also how weirdly attached to Kate's townread of Roxy

HK iirc was also kind of defending Roxy (or I think they were, I actually can't remember pls correct me if I'm wrong)
the other thing that stood out to me was the vote on Wilgy D1, which had a bad vibe, especially since HK backed off right away
and then vote me after I voted Wilgy (the eagerness to exe me also felt a bit uncalled for)

I have to sleep soon
sowwy but I will probably be very busy tomorrow and won't have time to post at all

my vote is on sleep rn
if I get the chance, I would move it onto an actual person (probably Roxy)

I think I actually like the pacing of this game
feels pretty chill

I can't handle a lot of stress these days :c

ummmm
ok yeah

maybe I will come back to ISO everyone later

what is a stool pigeon?
should I feel offended? lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:07 am Roxy is the yeet today and she’s town, we just lose

wait hold on

8 people
5v3
-> misexe
4v3
->NK
3v3

oh you're right
panic

posting a handy-dandy list

Neon/Dennis/Scotty

splits/falcon

Roxy/HK

I have no idea lol

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:28 pm Porscha
I was townreading them because they said I was cute

my favorite read this game

my vote would be on Roxy btw
but hammer

would like to talk with them more if there's a chance because I don't want to be doing what I accused falcon of doing (:

oh looks like Scotty is town
my reads have not progressed much and I don't really feel like solving today

unless someone wants to talk to me (:

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:16 am kinda hard to respond to a suspicion since you can't really say why.

I never really care about responses to suspicion tbh
I find it unhelpful most of the time

what I would like to know is probably who your top townreads are rn and why
and ig if there's been any change to your POE and reasons

plus if there's any relevant meta about you I should know that might have influenced my read, e.g., if there's anything you look for specifically, do you look for town first or scum first, etc.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:16 am pot meet kettle.
you accuse falcon of doing EXACTLY what you did to me - you funny

I don't think that's true
I don't think I have been dismissive of you but I haven't tried to interact with you and that's my problem

I think the questions I asked above are probably a good start
if you have anything you want to ask of me, feel free to

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:57 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:12 pm Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

actually, Kate didn't really have much of a read on Roxy and their later TR was because Roxy was the first to call out Pyxxy, who didn't respond
Pyxxy flipping green makes that TR have less weight

I quoted it because it reminded me that Roxy was one of the main pushers for Pyxxy and - this second part is more just speculation and not worth as much weight - Kate noticing this could have been a reason for their NK

you're ignoring a fair bit of nuance by treating Kate's read as static
granted, I have no idea if they would've changed the read later or not but saying I'm ignoring the read and treating the TR on Roxy as a good read to follow (Kate's posts did not indicate they felt very strongly or were very sure on Roxy's TR) is pushing it



you also highlighted the part where I said Roxy's reads are ok
sure, that's a contradiction on my part

but you've ignored my further explanation in the next post
I know I didn't explain it well but it sure feels like you couldn't be bothered to read me more carefully

here's the rest of my explanation btw:

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:41 pm to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh

I stand by my opinion that giving out reads with reasons that are individually reasonable but doesn't have a good overall feel is wolfy
there were also a lot of wolfreads in that list, which is ok but paired with the reasons, I think a few reasons aren't really strong enough to warrant a wolfread (this point could just be a playstyle difference though)

Whole lotta words for "gut feels", no?

yes but no

it feel like falcon is treating my slot in a stingy way (I learned this from someone else but I forgot the actual word that was used but stingy is good enough) and that could be scummy
because usually town is looking to solve above all else and will hesitate and re-evaluate as long as I show some hints of towniness but scum tend to ignore towny pings and hone in on small things that make towns scummy in order to push agenda (or push for a misexe, same thing)

and yeah, I think my previous posts have reached a point where I can be reasonably townread (even if it's just a tone read)
especially with people who have not played with me before, they actually tend to err on the side of townreading me more than they probably should from the tone of my posts

falcon's response to me was also pretty dismissive and I don't think they're trying to solve me in earnest
and they still haven't answered my question on why they scumread me before

TL;DR voting lemon is a wolf claim

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:12 pm Yeah, so I'm totally fine flipping lemon. I don't find this explanation towny whatsoever, plus it seems to ignore the fact that Roxy was TR by Kate...and Kate has a fair amount of play experience w/ Roxy, so I find that NK coming from Kate's TR unlikely

actually, Kate didn't really have much of a read on Roxy and their later TR was because Roxy was the first to call out Pyxxy, who didn't respond
Pyxxy flipping green makes that TR have less weight

I quoted it because it reminded me that Roxy was one of the main pushers for Pyxxy and - this second part is more just speculation and not worth as much weight - Kate noticing this could have been a reason for their NK

you're ignoring a fair bit of nuance by treating Kate's read as static
granted, I have no idea if they would've changed the read later or not but saying I'm ignoring the read and treating the TR on Roxy as a good read to follow (Kate's posts did not indicate they felt very strongly or were very sure on Roxy's TR) is pushing it



you also highlighted the part where I said Roxy's reads are ok
sure, that's a contradiction on my part

but you've ignored my further explanation in the next post
I know I didn't explain it well but it sure feels like you couldn't be bothered to read me more carefully

here's the rest of my explanation btw:

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:41 pm to expand on that, what I mean specifically is that your reasons all look reasonable and make sense in a vacuum, but something feels off about it as a whole

I can't really say what it is tbh

I stand by my opinion that giving out reads with reasons that are individually reasonable but doesn't have a good overall feel is wolfy
there were also a lot of wolfreads in that list, which is ok but paired with the reasons, I think a few reasons aren't really strong enough to warrant a wolfread (this point could just be a playstyle difference though)

I need to save myself some posts so I can unleash my fury at whoever decides to push me in bad faith later

my reads are either really bad or really good
or both idk

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:57 pm I mean, I literally asked you why Roxy, and you said "why not?"...so is that still your reason?

no, I posted my actual reason later
when I had the time to actually answer

can you find it on your own or do you need me to pull it up for you?

I just took a look at D1 wagons again (was actually just on my way to check my post cap)

I know I told DrWilgy to look at the other standalone wagons but it's just me, pyxxy and Wilgy lol
if I'm town, pyxxy is town, and Wilgy is town then one scum per wagon might not be too bad

maybe Roxy/HK/falcon isn't that unbelievable

I might actually hit post cap this phase