The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:11 pm As for Monroe, I was gonna ask what the Lime connections might be, but nutella just covered it.

nutella, what are you seeing in just four bitter posts?

squinty squint at nutella (just a little)

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:22 pm I have to close in an hour. Will try to finish a scan of the Darling wagoners.

Lemon wagoners probably not worth pursuing. And, in just two lines, there's nothing good looking left in there. I recall no serious push(es) from Nanook - just an instavote on sabi, due to lingering post-wolfflip, and then a tag vote right after Dizzy back and forth. Davos doesn't sound like making any trustworthy contribution all game and just plants votes. I trusted Scrappy more in West, I'd come back to whether Davos can be trusted, but not this phase, I suppose.

what does this mean? like the people on my wagon are OK and don't need to be pursued?
but then Ricochet says there's "nothing good looking left in there"??

Davos is probably not controlled by Ricochet's teammates?
there's a little shade but no solid conclusion

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:32 pm Epignosis wrt Delta pauses me a lot toDay.

He was chief detective on case-making Delta D2 wrt pyxxy interactions (lifelining him intermittently and starting what proved pyxxy's counterwagon chance). The thing about too many townreads was also a point.

Then the Delta wagon fizzled through.

And now Epignosis comes into the merge with just that one point about the townreads.

this looks unaligned for Epignosis

good thing about Ricochet's posts is that unlike falcon, who probably knew they were going to die, Ricochet was probs not expecting to be NK'd so there's no extra WIFOM to think about

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm I'm le tired.

I didn't even process Delta toDay.
Only note I had was that they noted Davos's drive-by vote on Lemon. No input.

Delta was my main pyxxy teammate profile, though. In that regard, I melded with Epig's D2 case. Signs of lifelining pyxxy into playing better and creating a cushion for a feasible counterwagon, till it proved too late. Could be.

Davos pretty unaligned too

--
I'm not about to decipher these smileys
if someone else wants to, pls be my guest

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:08 pm All the recent votes irk me to degree.

Radishes dropped off falcon for, what, giving him breathing space?
Sloonei is full sheeping (on Epig yet again).

Sloonei's probs not aligned
idk about Radishes (also probs not aligned but to a lesser degree than Sloonei)

these unaligned reads feel kind of unreliable though

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:55 pm If Davos is bad, then Dyslexicon is bad, because Dyslexicon controls Davos.

I think Davos is a bad nut

if Dizzy controls Davos, then why is Davos still here when Dizzy has been NK'd?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:31 pm LemonFairy is still alive and it's Day 5

I have passed my expiry date and I'm no longer safe to consume

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

Ricochet wanted falcon over me/Monroe.
At this point, falcon's partners probably committed to a bus already so I'd look back to people who started pushing falcon around this time.
Monroe's probably not partnered with Ricochet/falcon.

TBH Ricochet's take on me was better than most of the thread's.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

This is a lot. I'll just mirror the headings.
Monroe
- "parked on falcon" - negative connotation
- aggro defensive also negative
- probs not aligned?

sig
- notes scumread on falcon
- says sig "seems fine"
- I'd lean unaligned here too because of lack of detail

Master Radishes
- vote on falcon "sudden" and "info-less" - negative connotation
- "mixed bag" - doesn't commit on a read
- could be aligned?

Windward
- noted that Wind was on me - is that negative? just scrolled up and noticed that Ricochet didn't drop a read on me although the commentary was mostly positive/neutral
- says Wind is wolf-likely but then calls her towny and doesn't make a read
- could be aligned?

Long Con
- previous suspicion on falcon, says current read on falcon is "adequate"
- says LC is "opinionate" but also "tag-teaming" and doesn't make a read
- idk could be aligned?

leetic
- what's the nightkill angle? idk
- history of scumreading leetic
- mostly negative, wolfy things but doesn't give a read and ends with "puzzling"
- could be aligned - probs the most aligned so far

DrWilgy
- what does narrowing mean? it sounds more negative than not
- no read
- idk

I feel like this entire exercise has been a waste of time
ik I said leetic is most likely aligned but that's not taking into account that the East facility probs has more of Ricochet's partners
there's also the people that weren't mentioned

I'm thinking DM/Wilgy/Nanook as my top SRs

DM/Nanook on one team
Wilgy on the other

only there's a wrench here because DM and Nanook have just been sitting on my wagon for the last 2 days and I don't think partners would do that
it'd be too obvious

I listened to the song and have no idea what it is

wow nice kill on Ricochet

there's probably no more wolves from the West side, right?
there could be another 3p though

also didn't expect Cape to be 3p
I was technically right in reading Cape as not mafia

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:12 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:07 pm how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?
You have been wolf from the start, and were probably aware there had to be another mafia from get-go. Then when Lime flipped other mafia, and second Day the wagons were on Ali + Sabi (both town), I bet you were so excited and just voted Dyslexicon for LOL. Happy knowing that either Lime's other partner would be eliminated or another town.

yes, I voted Dyslexicon, but I had Dyslexicon, you, and Alison in my scumreads
you didn't have that many posts or reads so I thought it'd be boring to go after you
Alison already had a lot of votes so I didn't feel the need to jump onto her
so I voted Dyslexicon

the rest of your post is just unsubstantiated narrative you're making up

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:10 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:06 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.
like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something
Where do I begin? I cant quote anything from the east, but pretty much everything there has shades of wolf all over. Like one of your firsts posts wondering if mafia and town were evenly separated between facilities bc one side would have more town members. That's something a wolf would wonder about only.

I said it would be weird if the number of towns/mafia was unbalanced and I was worried that if it were unbalanced, statistically, one side would have higher chance of hitting town when voting

I don't see how that's a wolfy concern

how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:50 pm dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

like, the only thing that comes to mind would be the w/w read on Epi and falcon
which I don't think is a damning as people are making it out to be

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:51 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:39 pm like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone
So you think VC is insignificant? And yes context was provided in whether the player voted off was town or not, and the nuance lies in you and Radishes being the only members from the east to abstain from voting falcon and instead pushing the second largest wagon of the day for no real reason at all.

we don't live in a world where wolves never bus each other and towns always vote wolves
realistically, the people in East facility had not had as much contact with falcon and for those of us who are not familiar with his meta, it was not obvious that he was wolf

by nuance, I meant the above considerations, which you didn't take into account
by context, I meant for example, looking at posts surrounding the votes and the timing

plus most of her SRs are OMGUS

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:48 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:14 pm [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.
why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM
really though? justify this assertion

just read their ISOs

Cape has reads, puts nuance and thoughts into their reads, and engages with others

I don't think I've seen anything like that from Monroe
she has dropped reads but hasn't explained why beyond votes

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die

DM moving onto my wagon feels super gross, cuz it feels more like she's just trying to widen the gap between her wagon I, rather than actually vote for who she thinks is Maf

But I was at 6 to her 3, it feels like an overreaction. Noted she's ignored my questions that I specifically tagged her in re: her Epi read
An attempted pivot to DM, feels a bit too opportunistic for a bus

at that point, it's antispew

unless you're thinking they're deliberately being too blatant to come off as that and not w/w

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:53 pm I will join falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:25 pm we shouldn't kill falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:19 pm I’ll vote to save falcon when it comes to it
TSP was hard defending falcon all day. I think I've already pointed out how questionable the third post is.

ok, but isn't that too blatant to be w/w?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:26 pm I'm liking how DM has really got going on the solving today, fwiw.

what?
where? pls direct me to it

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:14 pm [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:29 pm Out of the original 15 east members, 6 have been eliminated and only 1 was wolf.

Based on the elimination of the west players, we know now that there's 2 wolf factions at play.

If the two sides balance each other in role distribution, we know at least 3 more wolves in the pool of east players .1 (Lime's partner [pyxxy & abi's from the west], and the other 2 east members from falcon's mafia).

I know I am civ, so that leaves me the following 8 players with 3 of them being wolves.

Cape90:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Wilgy (?)

DrWilgy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - falcon (wolf)

Dyslexicon:
1 - Master Radishes (?)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - leetic (?)

Lemonfairy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Dyslexicon (?)
3 - Monroe (civ)

Radishes:
1 - Alison (civ)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Darling (civ)

Nanook:
1 - Guillotine (civ)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Lemonfairy (?)

nutella:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Delta (?)

Windward:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Falcon (wolf)

Observations: Windward + Wilgy same voting history. 2/3 voted a wolf out. Would not vote any of them 2.

Radishes hasn't voted a single Wolf, only town. Lemon, outside of voting for lime, hasn't helped town, thus wolf but not with Lime.

Nanook is the one that would my biggest read as Lime's partner.

nutella/cape/dyslexicon then would fall in between my town and wolf reads. could see them go either way, but dont feel confidently calling them wolves like I do with Radishes and Lemon.

following your logic, you voted no one D1, DrWilgy D2, and falcon D3
outside of voting falcon, you haven't helped town

therefore you're wolf but not with falcon

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:55 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:52 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:45 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm the fact that she went back to low engagement
you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up
I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?
oh
that's fair ig

I thought you were making up some BS reason to scumread me out of nowhere
which now I know was my mistake

carry on
??
you're the one who pointed out that I had actually sussed you in the East Facility thread before. it wouldn't be a reason I pulled out of nowhere as an excuse to scumread you, for sure.

I don't think I said anything of the sort
iirc the reason you sussed me in the first place was because I had you consistently at the bottom of each of my read lists (which I explained were unordered) and also due to my low activity, which was fair enough

but saying I had low activity when I in fact was not actually in the thread makes me think you made up your suspicion on me because it reads to me like you are acting as though you've read my posts when you haven't
and it's an easy breezy way to start scumreading someone artificially
hence my reaction

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:53 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:39 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.
I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy
Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?
haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either
Ok, thanks for sharing.
Do you have any thoughts as to whether someone on falcon's team bussed him or if his partners stayed off of his wagon?

with so many people on him, yeah, they probably bussed

I mean, if he was going to go over anyway, why not get the cred?

k

I actually have to run so
bye

I will hopefully return later

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:45 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm the fact that she went back to low engagement
you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up
I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?

oh
that's fair ig

I thought you were making up some BS reason to scumread me out of nowhere
which now I know was my mistake

carry on

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:39 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.
I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy
Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:47 pm Hedges on falcon (then again, not only player they hedged on and TRs Abby. Abby's vote on them does look good on them being unpaired. It's a little odd how they ignored the huge falcon wagon, then again they were pretty insistent on voting someone from their own side.

just felt like I had more business voting for people I've spent 3 days with than people I took cumulatively 20-30 mins to ISO and order

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:34 pm Continuing to push falcon, while going against the lemonfairy wagon (the largest CW at the time).

tbh my wagon was the silliest thing I've seen in a while

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:14 pm DarlingMonroe

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:30 pm I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians
"I didn't try to find out."

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:08 pm going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon ] aubergine really hope its mafia
DarlingMonroe is a highly compatible teammate with Falcon.

contrast above with:

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:31 am Epi is giving very much wolf. Delta also pings. Not sure how to feel about this lemon wagon. I'd rather no.

Could be down to vote Epi, though. Oh and Wilgy too.

1. OMGUS wolfread on Epignosis
2. Delta pings but no explanation
3. Saw my wagon, said they would "rather not" but didn't explain (no commitment to read)

current Monroe:
1. OMGUS vote on me (I voted them D3)
2. Pinged by me and Radishes but no explanation
3. Keeps dropping names but doesn't explain/expand on reads

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:06 pm Cape

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:20 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:11 am I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is
So Princess Abigail is town yeah?
While I'm mainly looking for Falcon interactions, this caught my eye.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:46 pm I can kind of see the push on falcon, can someone summarize, if they haven't, what falc did in the other thread?
This is horrifically vague.

"I can kind of see the push on falcon."

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?
I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together
I don't understand why you can't have an opinion on someone from a different camp. This is a defense of Falcon by way of suspecting (and voting) Wilgy.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town

I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!

Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!

Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?
If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?
As far as I can tell, this is the only direct interaction Cape had with Falcon. It's not a bad question.

I do not see that Falcon ever followed up on it though.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:32 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.
What makes you think that?
He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.
All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me
I want to cross-reference this post with the earlier posts. There is a shaky defense of falcon in those.

Here is the turn, where Cape explicitly calls Falcon mafia and does so with enough gumption to call me his teammate.

So I even said:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:28 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:32 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.
What makes you think that?
He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.
All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me
Do you know falcon is mafia?
By that point, falcon had one foot out the door, and I see no evidence that Cape was really trying to figure falcon out. Cape went from defending Falcon to calling him mafia without ever even voting there.

I would call Cape a highly compatible teammate with Falcon. Could even be a Landlord.

to me, the first part looked like "falcon's pushes suck"
which, I can kind of see given the quoted reasons focus on being able to meta-read falcon and knowing falcon's "town tell"
and from what I know, Cape isn't familiar with falcon's meta

the shift from "falcon's pushes suck" to "your push on falcon looks w/w" is a little weird but I think it's not the same as going from defending falcon to scumreading falcon

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:18 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.
Bold. Back it up!

Back it up

*EDM music*

Back it up
Back it up

like, you're not explaining anything (up until what I've read so far) and idk what this has to do with Radishes

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:44 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:35 pm side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?
Same to you. You’ve been voting for me for no reason at all. Well, to protect falcon your teammate.

I voted you because you're the least towny in the East Facility
and your second point has no basis

I also wasted a lot of time on the weekend so I shouldn't be spending much time on mafia jsyk
but I'll try to keep up

side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:00 am Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

ok, but did you say what they were?

(if yes, just ignore because I still have to backread)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:16 am Lemonfairy

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.

Not much here.

tbf that was the speediest ISO skim reads list I've done in my life

can someone explain why Cape is getting voted?

or, you know, ig I can backread to find out
but the question stands if I come back and couldn't find anything

and [VOTE: Monroe] aubergine

ig it's confirmed multiball now
and my reads are bad

but that's ok because I didn't spend much time making that list on West people anyway

if someone could vig/NK me tonight
it's kind of embarrassing leaving a legacy and then not actually dying

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:50 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:49 pm OK, but do I really want to be on the same wagon as Sloonei?

Hmmmm
You said they seem alright, so I don't see what's the issue

I just feel a bit petty about them.

OK, but do I really want to be on the same wagon as Sloonei?

Hmmmm

[VOTE: Darling Monroe] aubergine

Voting within East Facility.

Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:34 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:32 pm Going to try to finish up what I did yesterday but I'm not in the mood to go in as much detail for the explanations.

Cape - Generally vibed with reads. Feels like they have been reading my posts. Similar to town Cape I've seen in the past.
Sabi - Never really vibed with Sabi's reads. Didn't pay much attention to them either. Skimmed through ISO and think they could be wolf. I did think their post about thread being boring and hoping someone will stir the pot was kind of towny but it's not something solid I can lean on.
Master Radishes - Hmmm Radishes is actually OK. Next.
DrWilgy - Wilgy's ISO is not as bad as I thought it would be TBH. The frog noises tickled me. This is more of a tone read though.
DarlingMonroe - Not a lot of reads. Not feeling the tone either. Could be wolf.

Would probably order like so:
Cape
Master Radishes
Sabi
DrWilgy
Darling Monroe

If I added everyone else:
Cape
Windward
nutella

Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
DrWilgy

Nanook
Sabi
Darling Monroe

IDK how I feel about this but it is what it is.
Is there anyone from my side of the thread that stands out to you?

uhhh probably Sloonei
probably tainted by OMGUS but gut take is like nullscum level

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