The Syndicate

Naturally I'm gonna play a little different this game, especially at the start. I had no clue what I was doing last game and now I have at least a basic understanding. And I was a power role so that gave me some confidence. I think that I played different last game is a weak argument, at best.

That's really sad I'm sorry.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:07 am Alllllll by myselffffff

Don't wanna be

All by myself anymoreeeeeeeee

Did... did you spend 3 hours just... sitting on thread? Alone?

Shoot I forgor to use spoilers

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:26 am I did think about delaying this until just before the night ends, but I'll be working at the time so I don't have the luxury. Shrug.

methinks scum team is SVS, lucy and Dennis.

So far in this game, I'm disagreeing with pretty much everything SVS says, and our conversation about scum agendas felt semantic and circular. She thinks lucy focussing so much on the previous game instead of this one isn't suspicious, when my mind (and I'm not the only one) immediately goes to, to quote Kate: "Or maybe the agenda is keeping focus on the last game and keeping it off of her in this one?". This is the interpretation I would expect from town SVS, because it's such an easy angle to add pressure on from someone I usually associate with supertown.

What I disagree with the most, and therefore hate, is this post:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:20 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:50 pm @S~V~S What made you think Lucy and I don't have BTSC?
The conversation you had with her about Istanbul/Mujahadeen felt real. It did not feel staged, it did not have that chatroom, "Let's go banter in the thread!" feel about it. Especially the way you ended it,

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:13 am Oh wow you sound like Mr. Talbot

Sorry, but I'm not very interested in history or politics. Most of it goes right through my head. I know hardly anything about the Cold War too. But if that's what makes you happy then you have fun, don't let me stop you
...followed by her attempting to reengage, but you just ignored it. It had an, "OK I'm done with this" feel to it.
lucy and Dennis's interaction did not feel 'real' at all. I don't understand how SVS is seeing it as an organic conversation when part of it involved lucy asking Dennis's mother for permission to start it.

Rather, it felt like lucy tried to force some OT-but-in-white-so-not-OT distancing, Dennis (or the third scum) realised how it looked, and told Dennis to shut it down. It could also look like a really weird attempt for the masons to hint themselves early on. GTH it's the former. Regardless, SVS is explaining away something that just seems so evocative to me. Find me a natural segue between Dennis avoiding problematic content on the internet and Constantinople and I'll eat my pileus.

I suspect lucy and Dennis for their exchange, and SVS for her response to it. Either way SVS/lucy can be w/w. I'll look at lucy and Dennis if I live.

Our conversation was real. I don't even know how to prove that to you. I didn't want to be stuck in a conversation where I'm being so dry it was annoying me, so I just dropped it.

So what happens if one of us flips town?

I apparently screwed up REAL bad somewhere and now like 4 people think I'm mafia. If someone could point me in that direction that would be great.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:01 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:45 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:42 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:35 pm I am also going with something fruity because I've never had tea before.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:34 pm Whoops I'm late. Hello everyone, I am the reason you don't get to make dirty jokes Cry and sob about it.
I claim sewing machine and you are dead day 1 so I can swear again
I'm a big boy you can swear in front of me

I even say all the cuss words: heck, darn, shoot, and sometimes I say Frick but only if I'm REAAALLLY angry.
I like you. I'm also going to call you bad this time around.
Do you have a reason for calling me bad, while you're still in D1?

D0, not D1

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:01 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:45 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:42 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:35 pm I am also going with something fruity because I've never had tea before.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:34 pm Whoops I'm late. Hello everyone, I am the reason you don't get to make dirty jokes Cry and sob about it.
I claim sewing machine and you are dead day 1 so I can swear again
I'm a big boy you can swear in front of me

I even say all the cuss words: heck, darn, shoot, and sometimes I say Frick but only if I'm REAAALLLY angry.
I like you. I'm also going to call you bad this time around.

Do you have a reason for calling me bad, while you're still in D1?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:32 pm Is why I think night talk is bad. But I'll bullshit and talk about non game things.

Also night is a good time to decompress and take a break from the game but night talk kinda disables that option. However yall do you.

^^ I very much prefer silent nights, now that I've had even just a sliver of both.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:25 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:19 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:16 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:11 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:09 pmno it doesnt
Yes it does. If you're right then you might get NK'd and that would suck.
No it doesn’t. If he never speaks his mind and is NKed, then no one ever knows what he’s thinking.

If anything not saying anything makes him more likely to be NKed.

And Mountain Vacation for the win.
This is actively false lol
How so?

If he never says anything, bad team sends in their kill right before the deadline and he gets killed.

If he says it during the night, there’s no point in killing him.

Alright, now both make sense. So that's great. I think I agree with SVS though, if he actually knows the mafia team he should just tell us now. But he doesn't because I'm on it and I'm civ so

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:20 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:16 pm I'm with everyone else, amusement park best
Favorite ride?

I don't think I've ever been to a big name amusement park, but I like dropper one where it pulls you up real high, and then drops you super fast but I throw up on it sometimes.

Actually I have been to Hershey park once but it was too long ago for me to remember and I don't think I was tall enough to go on any fun ones.

I'm with everyone else, amusement park best

Now we wait for you to get NK'd and this to come and bite me in the ass

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:09 pmno it doesnt

Yes it does. If you're right then you might get NK'd and that would suck.

Oh wait that makes sense. Don't go on

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:59 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:58 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:57 pm ive identified the entire scum team btw
Is Dennis in it because Dennis is obv scum
yes actually

Oop how'd you get to that conclusion? @Neon too

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:57 pm ive identified the entire scum team btw

Go on

Curses! I've been caught!

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:46 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:41 pm Oep. RIP Falcon
Turboing this tomorrow

Idk what that means

Oep. RIP Falcon

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:00 pm Fascinatingly, I believe if Falcon flips W, Dennis has some pretty significant scum equity...
What MAKES you think this?

EBWOP

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:00 pm Fascinatingly, I believe if Falcon flips W, Dennis has some pretty significant scum equity...

What made you think this?

I just checked the rules, yes we can. I assumed we couldn't because we couldn't in the other game.

Wait can we talk during night phase in this game?

It is annoying that Falcon isn't gonna show up because he's hungover.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine for counterwagon

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:50 pm I feel most comfortable on [VOTE: Neon] aubergine for now.
Lolz go ahead and give me a good reason why

Woah I was about to answer Kate asking me why and now you showed up

I don't wanna vote anyone yet so obviously it's a bad reason. I think you have felt off, like you could have done more with some things that you didn't. Though, actually, I did just see someone mentions a Wilgy v Falcon counterwagon so I would be fine with that.

I feel most comfortable on [VOTE: Neon] aubergine for now.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:15 pm You were lost in the beginning of LGM, as in no help, no coaching and no experience.

This is what I wanted, I think. The no coaching part. OKay this makes a lot more sense now. I know we went over that in LGM, but at the part I was talking about (when you said to read my D1), I don't remember the coaching thing being brought up, so I didn't make the connection. Thank you.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:40 am
Spoiler: show
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:24 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:15 am Welcome to my scum pile

[VOTE: Lemon] aubergine
why aubergine?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:07 am i am back and i am town this time
*squints*
idk, not feeling this

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:18 am Is it bad if that makes me want to vote you lol
the lol and the fact that it's a question makes this feel more friendly than it needs to be
probably not super AI though

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am you should vote mafia not town
this post actually makes me feel a bit better about the previous one but still easily made as either alignment tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:28 am so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions
ok, it feels like they're treating each other as town now
not w/w

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:52 am
What current actions in the thread are most likely to catch a wolf?

I don’t really like the dismissive “you were just wrong so have to be here” to a small day 1 suspicion comment. The thread has been mostly OT, someone has to get things rolling.
kinda like this
viberead town

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:42 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:28 am
I've caught others by doing this.
you're bad
probably also >rand town

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:45 am Thanks. That's the fastest anyone has told me I'm bad before.

But am I bad as in a shit player. Or bad as in mafia?

One of these is true.
Neon interpreting bad as skill-related rather than alignment is towny imo

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 am Ha ha I win, Rondo said I was bad on page one, and I’m pretty sure it was page one in LGM when Sean did, too.

I’m home pretty much all weekend, so I’ll have plenty of time to stay caught up.

On this list, Lemonfairy is new to me, I played with TSP a few time, but I don’t recall his game well, so he might as well be.
very neutral post, doesn't swing me either way

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:58 am do you think using tactics and strategy is ai for me?
lucy feels very self-focused this game
idk what to make of it yet

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:05 am I’ve played games with40 and 50 people, and never kept a spreadsheet
omg imagine making a spreadsheet for 40/50 people
I can barely bother to make those with 7 people

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:10 am i also wasn't lying about my memory, i've never taken notes in a single class, nor do i need spreadsheets to track reads, it's all easily retained.
-_- opposite of me
everything gets deleted after a while

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:57 am Alright, who's Maf? Still Marmot?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine
I'm reading these as though they're entrance posts but this just reminded me that there was a N0 that I didn't bother to read
uhhh whatever ig, I'll just make do

also, is aubergine an inside joke or a reference to something?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:03 amMarmot
why though
but post is fine ig

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:07 am @Neon Not sure yet but eye was drawn somewhere D 0 but I'm giving it a chance since it was only D 0. So no name mentioning for yet. How about you?
ehhh ok this can be vibe town too

I've already forgotten the other people I gave vibe townreads to

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:11 am I don't have many thoughts. I think Lucy is town... so like can't wait for round 2 of Neon vs everyone lol
why

ok, I'm going to end this one here b/c it's getting long

The answer to all your questions about me is

"Because"

@Neon In one of my walls I said this in response to what I quoted:

I would love to hear a bit more from you than things like this, especially remembering your walls of defense last game. Obviously you can't do that right now because it's D1, but I'm pretty sure you can give a bit more than "Because".

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:08 pm
Spoiler: show

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:45 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:38 pm
Ya know, I felt pretty bad pointing it out at first but your reaction is easing my regret.
Pointing what out? The scumread? Don't feel bad, that's what the game is about lol. I'm just telling you why I think you're scumreading me. You still have not yet made a case or really explained why you think I'm bad.
Pointing out that I didn't necessarily see you as innocent the way I did the first game.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:56 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:58 pm Well, I also remember you said something to someone in LGM along the lines of 'Read his (mine) D1 I think you'll agree (with your townread on me)' so I want to know what it is that's missing this game that was there in LGM. Unless it's my lack of posts in which case I urge you to 1. Look at my post count again, I think I'm close to 50 so probably 35 on topic? and 2. Remember that I'm not asking nearly as many questions this time.

Duly noted, counselor.
Sorry, I missed the question in there. You were a tad lost day one because you had never played before. But that would not apply to this game anyway so I wonder why you bring that point up? Well ot would apply a little I guess, to be fair but not nearly to the level of your first game.
I was lost D1 in LGM. So you took that as I'm town in LGM? This has confused me, I feel like I would only be more confused if I was thrown into LGM as mafia so that doesn't really make sense.

I'm gonna hopefully clarify: I brought up LGM because you said to look at my LGM D1 and that made me obvitown. I want to know why I was obvitown D1 there and not here.

Woah I screwed that up, fixed it lol

Spoiler: show

Well, I also remember you said something to someone in LGM along the lines of 'Read his (mine) D1 I think you'll agree (with your townread on me)' so I want to know what it is that's missing this game that was there in LGM. Unless it's my lack of posts in which case I urge you to 1. Look at my post count again, I think I'm close to 50 so probably 35 on topic? and 2. Remember that I'm not asking nearly as many questions this time.
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Duly noted, counselor.
[/quote]

Sorry, I missed the question in there. You were a tad lost day one because you had never played before. But that would not apply to this game anyway so I wonder why you bring that point up? Well ot would apply a little I guess, to be fair but not nearly to the level of your first game.
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I was lost D1 in LGM. So you took that as I'm town in LGM? This has confused me, I feel like I would only be more confused if I was thrown into LGM as mafia so that doesn't really make sense.

I'm gonna hopefully clarify: I brought up LGM because you said to look at my LGM D1 and that made me obvitown. I want to know why I was obvitown D1 there and not here.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:45 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:38 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:07 pm @S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?
Initially, I was not sure. She was saying how quiet it was without Golden, Scotty, then looking for Epignosis (which tbh, I have been looking forward to playing with him again too, so meh), but not really saying much herself.

But then she picked up the slack and I think she's more likely town than not.
Thank you.

This makes me think Kate is being driven to scumread me just because I'm her kid and she has a natural lens on me to think I'm innocent, so she wants to counteract that, rather than her being mafia.
Ya know, I felt pretty bad pointing it out at first but your reaction is easing my regret.
Pointing what out? The scumread? Don't feel bad, that's what the game is about lol. I'm just telling you why I think you're scumreading me. You still have not yet made a case or really explained why you think I'm bad.
Pointing out that I didn't necessarily see you as innocent the way I did the first game.

Well, I also remember you said something to someone in LGM along the lines of 'Read his (mine) D1 I think you'll agree (with your townread on me)' so I want to know what it is that's missing this game that was there in LGM. Unless it's my lack of posts in which case I urge you to 1. Look at my post count again, I think I'm close to 50 so probably 35 on topic? and 2. Remember that I'm not asking nearly as many questions this time.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:38 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:22 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:07 pm @S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?
Initially, I was not sure. She was saying how quiet it was without Golden, Scotty, then looking for Epignosis (which tbh, I have been looking forward to playing with him again too, so meh), but not really saying much herself.

But then she picked up the slack and I think she's more likely town than not.
Thank you.

This makes me think Kate is being driven to scumread me just because I'm her kid and she has a natural lens on me to think I'm innocent, so she wants to counteract that, rather than her being mafia.
Ya know, I felt pretty bad pointing it out at first but your reaction is easing my regret.

Pointing what out? The scumread? Don't feel bad, that's what the game is about lol. I'm just telling you why I think you're scumreading me. You still have not yet made a case or really explained why you think I'm bad.

Kate are you serious rn. The one time I'm talking about you you leave the thread

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:19 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:07 pm @S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?
Initially, I was not sure. She was saying how quiet it was without Golden, Scotty, then looking for Epignosis (which tbh, I have been looking forward to playing with him again too, so meh), but not really saying much herself.

But then she picked up the slack and I think she's more likely town than not.

Thank you.

This makes me think Kate is being driven to scumread me just because I'm her kid and she has a natural lens on me to think I'm innocent, so she wants to counteract that, rather than her being mafia.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:12 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:07 pm @S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?
No u lol

Also, I asked for SVS'd opinion because I think she's town and, according to many different people, can read you easily. I want a read I can most likely trust.

How's that for engagement MOM

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:12 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:07 pm @S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?
No u lol

If you're asking me what I think of you, I think you don't actually suspect me. You said to me before the game started 'I'm not gonna assume you're town this time so watch out' or something like that. I think you're only throwing suspicion on me because you're trying to counteract your urge to townread me because I'm your kid.

Alternatively, you're mafia and you are using this as leverage to get a push on me.

If you make a case against me that makes sense I will rethink this.

@S~V~S What do you think of Kate thus far?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:01 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:49 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:51 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:03 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:01 pm @Dennis seems a lot less engaged this game than last. He came out of the gate playing last game, his first. I don't see any reason he'd be less active this game. Whare you at, wild dennis?
Things last game started way faster and I don't know how to really get things rolling.
Last game Golden pulled in town core fast plus we had a tunnel to discuss (Sean vs me) very early. Here we had slot of baked goods and warm fuzzy fluff. Fluffy games are warm and cheery, but can be slow starters until someone is actually eliminated.

I am trying to sort falcon v Wilgy. Do you have an opinion on that?
I think they're both town. Falcon feels the same as last game, not on topic until something interesting happens to him, then focusing up. Wilgy is just INCREDIBLY on topic. Most of his fluff posts are his ongoing hi train with Marmot. Out of these two, I say Falcon is more likely to be bad because Falcon's defense of 'You shouldn't read my slot this way' is weird. Your slot is read different each game because you have a different role each game, right? Or am I misinterpreting 'slot'.

Yeah, I agree, how does someone expect someone else to know that and react that strongly to it? I mean, I'm taking some flak, but that's part of the game. I never 'got' the suspish of him last game, and was reading him the same, but that element wasn't there.

I am going to go back and reread Falcon. If I have time, I might reread his LGM to contrast it.

Also linki @ you, getting votes isn't so thrilling after a while

Well, I was suspicious of him, actually on the last day I would have voted him I hadn't realized that Golden checked him. Now, he feels the same, which I would've found suspicious but now I know it's just his way of playing.

Also I was asleep until noon, which was an hour ago for anyone who isn't EST so there's that as a weak excuse for why I wasn't posting.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:57 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:56 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:56 am
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:32 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:30 am much differently
not ai for me
I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.
In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.
That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.
This is clearly you trying to get me re-engaged. I have told you, I just have less to comment on. I am still engaged, I assure you. I am godawful at starting conversations but if someone gets me going, that's when I start really going in.

But, to answer your question, I have only played 1 game with Lucy, and she was mafia. But never approaching 2 games the same makes sense, and her reluctance to be read is a good thing IMO. It was annoying being immediately town read by everybody in LGM, because it kinda took away the thrill of 'Ooh someone's voting me!' because I got like 4 votes in total. So, I agree with her on not wanting to be readable, if not for anything else for the thrill of it.
Oh, sweetheart, it pains me to say I think it's a little more than me prodding you to talk.

Well you aren't allowed to suspect me, that's friendly fire.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:56 am
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:32 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:30 am much differently
not ai for me
I have never seen someone with such resistance to being townread, lol.
In some capacity, I would call it the old norm because no townie would want to die (and thus lose).

In this case, I think lucy is being resistant to being readable in general, not necessarily not being townread.
That's a good point about lucy, she did state that she wants her game to be different every game. @Dennis thoughts on this?

I still have to go look back at falcon like I said last night. Lots of time still.

Just want to add, this day 1 is hugely different from last game, if just for the fact that there is so much less substantive discussion.

This is clearly you trying to get me re-engaged. I have told you, I just have less to comment on. I am still engaged, I assure you. I am godawful at starting conversations but if someone gets me going, that's when I start really going in.

But, to answer your question, I have only played 1 game with Lucy, and she was mafia. But never approaching 2 games the same makes sense, and her reluctance to be read is a good thing IMO. It was annoying being immediately town read by everybody in LGM, because it kinda took away the thrill of 'Ooh someone's voting me!' because I got like 4 votes in total. So, I agree with her on not wanting to be readable, if not for anything else for the thrill of it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:51 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:03 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:01 pm @Dennis seems a lot less engaged this game than last. He came out of the gate playing last game, his first. I don't see any reason he'd be less active this game. Whare you at, wild dennis?
Things last game started way faster and I don't know how to really get things rolling.
Last game Golden pulled in town core fast plus we had a tunnel to discuss (Sean vs me) very early. Here we had slot of baked goods and warm fuzzy fluff. Fluffy games are warm and cheery, but can be slow starters until someone is actually eliminated.

I am trying to sort falcon v Wilgy. Do you have an opinion on that?

I think they're both town. Falcon feels the same as last game, not on topic until something interesting happens to him, then focusing up. Wilgy is just INCREDIBLY on topic. Most of his fluff posts are his ongoing hi train with Marmot. Out of these two, I say Falcon is more likely to be bad because Falcon's defense of 'You shouldn't read my slot this way' is weird. Your slot is read different each game because you have a different role each game, right? Or am I misinterpreting 'slot'.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:47 am I should probably go back and read, unless someone wants to talk with me rn? (invitation to provide me with an excuse to not backread)

It's like 8 pages, mostly of shitposts. I don't see why you have to be so reluctant.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:33 am @Neon Thanks, that's what I thought.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:46 pm fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi
Well, as others have said, it's been the fluffiest of fluffy threads so far. But I know I have been being quiet, for reasons besides the fluff, although that contributes.

On Day Zero, as soon as the thread opened Rondo was in here posting. Falcon came in a minute later, then over the next 15 minutes or so, me, Kate and Quin came in. There was chatting about the tea poll, bitching about the PG-13 warning yada yada yada.

Rondo proclaimed a bit later that me, Kate and Quin were the bad team,

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:43 pm Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn
So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.

Re your list, I haven't seen anything to think Splints or Roxy is bad, but nothing to say they're sure town either. Same for Kate. In LGM, I read Kate right, but otherwise was pretty much wrong about most of my friends (I thought Mata was bad early, but I backed off, so that doesn't count imo). Kate is easier to read with Golden in the game (and I recall this going back 10 and more years ago, to other sites). They seem to have an inherent understanding of each other, and I tend to town read them both via the light they reflect off of each other, if that makes sense. She's a little cagier without that. Even in Game 1, where he was bad, he did a really good job of approximating that. So she's a harder read for me without him in thread. And she called me "Little Lady" which counts for hilarity points.

Dennis also seems less engaged than last game, but that day one towncore feel isn't here that was in his first game. He was lucky, I think, to have his first game rand civ into a game like that.

I also think Lucy is town, and to extra annoy her, she's the only person close to town lock for me.

I haven't seen Neons early game. She IS different to LGM, but like Rondo, she subbed in and when you sub in you want to make a civvie splash coming in the door.

You voted for Quin, but he's not on your list. I tend to read him as bad, why did you vote for him.

I am trying to sort the falcon/Wilgy thing. Why does falcon think that after a 48 hour fluff-fest someone should be assured of his affiliation? I'm not 100% sure I understand either side of that 1/1 with him and Wilgy. He seems legit upset about it, and I'm not sure why. I think he plays a fairly blendy civ game on short acquaintance, and he took a lot of suspish for it last game. But Wilgys reasons for suspecting him seem a bit forced to me, although I would imagine a bad Wilgy would just lick people and not bother to list suspects at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:43 pm I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.
Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?
Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.
I mean, NO ONE had been hunting much up to the time he said this. So this is kinda looking like a tempest in a teapot. Heh.

I think this is not the game Lemonfairy wanted to play, so they are basically shitposting so far. They seem to be a charming person, so they are charming shitposts, like someone spamming you with rainbows.

I will be home today, I'll be in and out.

Help, I agree with literally everything but I don't remember typing this!

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:40 am
Spoiler: show
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:24 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:15 am Welcome to my scum pile

[VOTE: Lemon] aubergine
why aubergine?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:07 am i am back and i am town this time
*squints*
idk, not feeling this

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:18 am Is it bad if that makes me want to vote you lol
the lol and the fact that it's a question makes this feel more friendly than it needs to be
probably not super AI though

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:22 am you should vote mafia not town
this post actually makes me feel a bit better about the previous one but still easily made as either alignment tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:28 am so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions
ok, it feels like they're treating each other as town now
not w/w

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:52 am
What current actions in the thread are most likely to catch a wolf?

I don’t really like the dismissive “you were just wrong so have to be here” to a small day 1 suspicion comment. The thread has been mostly OT, someone has to get things rolling.
kinda like this
viberead town

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:42 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:28 am
I've caught others by doing this.
you're bad
probably also >rand town

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:45 am Thanks. That's the fastest anyone has told me I'm bad before.

But am I bad as in a shit player. Or bad as in mafia?

One of these is true.
Neon interpreting bad as skill-related rather than alignment is towny imo

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:50 am Ha ha I win, Rondo said I was bad on page one, and I’m pretty sure it was page one in LGM when Sean did, too.

I’m home pretty much all weekend, so I’ll have plenty of time to stay caught up.

On this list, Lemonfairy is new to me, I played with TSP a few time, but I don’t recall his game well, so he might as well be.
very neutral post, doesn't swing me either way

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:58 am do you think using tactics and strategy is ai for me?
lucy feels very self-focused this game
idk what to make of it yet

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:05 am I’ve played games with40 and 50 people, and never kept a spreadsheet
omg imagine making a spreadsheet for 40/50 people
I can barely bother to make those with 7 people

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:10 am i also wasn't lying about my memory, i've never taken notes in a single class, nor do i need spreadsheets to track reads, it's all easily retained.
-_- opposite of me
everything gets deleted after a while

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:57 am Alright, who's Maf? Still Marmot?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine
I'm reading these as though they're entrance posts but this just reminded me that there was a N0 that I didn't bother to read
uhhh whatever ig, I'll just make do

also, is aubergine an inside joke or a reference to something?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:03 amMarmot
why though
but post is fine ig

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:07 am @Neon Not sure yet but eye was drawn somewhere D 0 but I'm giving it a chance since it was only D 0. So no name mentioning for yet. How about you?
ehhh ok this can be vibe town too

I've already forgotten the other people I gave vibe townreads to

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:11 am I don't have many thoughts. I think Lucy is town... so like can't wait for round 2 of Neon vs everyone lol
why

ok, I'm going to end this one here b/c it's getting long

The answer to all your questions about me is

"Because"

I would love to hear a bit more from you than things like this, especially remembering your walls of defense last game. Obviously you can't do that right now because it's D1, but I'm pretty sure you can give a bit more than "Because".

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:56 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:52 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:06 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:31 am So far the only things stand out to me are that iRondo came in like a much duller version of himself from last game. He is not pressing anyone. He has not made multiple votes with nary a reason. He hasn't pushed not questioned anyone for any reason. Makes me wonder about what may have changed from this game to the last one.
He was a sub last game, dropped in around D3 or D4. Here he gets to make his own reads, but in the other he had to rely on ours until he got a feel. That's my guess, at least.
This makes sense, I think subbing in later does make it easier to get into it because there's more info to go on and things have gotten going by then.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:33 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:43 pm Wolf team is Kate / SVS / Quinn
So he picked the 3rd, 4th and 5th persons to post. I assumed it was a joke (although nothing he ever posts reads like a joke to me, I can't read him at all after the one game), and moved on.

When I came into the thread after Day one started, I saw he was still on that, and had voted for me.

I'm like, Is this a joke, does he mean it? After the last game I am vaguely terrified of him (only low key kidding here). He came in to the last game like a force of nature (but he subbed in and i know when I sub in I try to establish my civ credentials early), and they kept blazing the whole game. Everyone else seems to be ignoring it, but I have been waiting for him, and he hasn't come back. It's just weird to me that he picked 3, 4, 5 even if a joke. He's usually here in the AM, my time, when I'm here, and hasn't been the last 2 days. There could be civ reasons for this, or just random Rondo reasons, and not gonna let myself get derailed by fear of being derailed, if that makes sense.

So I'm gonna stop worrying about it.
So both of these quotes mention rondo and his differences from last game, and both excuse this with comments of the difference between subbing in and from the beginning. This is not normal from what I have seen from town rondo in other games where he played from the beginning. He always kind of dives in and can be quite relentless with his suspicions even early.
I will say that I can’t remember if I’ve ever played a game when he is bad

[VOTE: rondo] aubergine

I'm reluctant to do anything with Rondo currently. The only experience I have with him is when he subbed in, which obviously you will play different, but now I'm hearing he's like that all the time and it's getting me all confused. I'm gonna plop him on a little null read for now until I hear more from him.

@Kate I will get to your question in a moment, I know I missed it.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: USE SPOILERS FOR THIS POST IF YOU REACT TO IT. NONE OF US WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:33 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:24 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:22 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:08 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:28 am

I've caught others by doing this.
By doing what? Asking this question?
Through stupid reaction tests that seem dumb. Yes.
No I actually like these. Not something we did a lot in yesteryear.
uwu
Did you just uwu at my mom?
Yes but I uwu at everyone. It's how I get away with brutal murder at night.

Oh nice!

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:27 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:43 pm I've caught up... Falcon and Neon seem to be Mafia.

Neon's energy does not match my expectations, it may be AI... I think.
Can you elaborate? Certainly your lick gave off more than that? Or is it just the feels on these 2?
Yes. I think Town Falcon who is present early would have a minor interest in scouting...

This does not appear to be present so far.

Neon has seemed to drastically shift meta to come out guns blasting. Neon is a player who is good at finding town and going from there... Not this behavior we see now.

Now, I should continue my efforts at home.
I don't know either of these players well enough yet to agree or disagree but I'll keep it in mind. Neon was pretty guns blazing last game, well more like shield weilding.
But did i wield my shield day 1?

I actually don't remember lol

You were subbed in. You weren't there D1. I think they meant towards the end where you were defending yourself defending Lucy.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:22 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:08 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:28 am
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:28 am so now i pose the question, even if i was a wolf, do you think you could have successfully caught me based off my current actions
I've caught others by doing this.
By doing what? Asking this question?
Through stupid reaction tests that seem dumb. Yes.
No I actually like these. Not something we did a lot in yesteryear.
uwu

Did you just uwu at my mom?

By that, I mean what am I meant to think of not being on that list.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:46 pm fingersplints: town
lucy: town
Roxy: town
Neon: probably town
Sabi: mommy
SVS: maybe mafia (although the more she posts the more I trend away from this)
falcon: probably a wolf
DrWilgy: uwu
Kate: not obviously town (which I am taking to be slightly wolf-indicative based on seeing her as obv!town last game)
Lemonfairy: hi

Is this just the people you have reads on?

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