The Syndicate

Wait why the $%#! are ppl voting Michelle.

We're not $%#!ing voting Michelle today.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:59 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:58 pm fuck me. is JJJ just town?

yeah unf

Yeah unf x 2

Anyways J³ needs to fix the tierlist now.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Lol sorry.
Slipped my mind.

Anyways yeah.

Legit if power roles cant communicate then they cant help town. I know its mostly wifom but its not for when peopel are alive.

I dunno what you're talking about man.
I communicated alot today.
Really did.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:51 pm THANK YOU

Lol sorry.
Slipped my mind.

Anyways yeah.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

Because of the vote on you. I think it makes sense from someone trying to save a teammate more than it makes sense from someone trying to start another town option.

Ah. I have no clue what the votecount looked like at the time, but I would assume LoRab was on the board which would be my reflex counter.

Idk, I thought about it more and I just do not understand the Scotty curse. Its not a mafia frame because theres just no point. There's no way mafia targeted J³ for the kill, and so they knew he was going to push Michelle today, whats the point of framing Scotty.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

If I was: Who I targeted Last night:
Ted Lasso - Protector J³

Coach Beard - Check Alignment ‪ts account

Rebecca Walton - Money Siphon ‪Scotty

Roy Kent - BTS Mason ‪Robyn

Keeley Jones - BTS Mason ‪Robyn

Jamie Tartt - Body Guard ‪J³

Leslie Higgins - Whisperer ‪Michelle

Trent Crimm - Host Post Dont kill Rondo

Sam Obisanya - Blocker ‪Abigail

Isaac Macadoo - Forced Sherrif ‪Dr.Wilgy

Colin Hughes - Hidden IC ‪Long Con

Dani Rojas - Town Kill
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Rupert Mannion - Money Bags ‪Robyn Kill + Investigate

Nathan Shelley - Fake Green Scotty

Trio of fans - Curse Scotty

Edwin Akufo - Sam Bully ‪J³

Oh there is actually something I can do. Wait a sec.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:34 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

it's incorrect.

I literally never thought this, why did it even come to mind your mind, why are you this ???????.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

I have seen Rondo as wolf, and I'm telling you he's town right now $_$.

This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:10 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...
‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

XDXDXDXDXDXD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:07 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:04 pm I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

I have a growing instinct that Scotty is town. What do you think is the most important indicator that he is not?

Unironically if I were to look only at recent posts, its the fact that he has voted me today.

Its not a worldview that makes sense. You don't think I'm w without thinking robyn is w.

Granted Scotty could just be playing not very well, but this is not the explanation I ever want to resort to.

Anybody who thinks Scotty is v also has to think Scotty is being framed right now because of there being more sensible targets. I don't really know that I believe the mafia tried to frame Scotty.

I also thought LoRab/Scotty interactions were bad and not good when I looked.

I'm more worried about v!J³ voting continuously incorrectly town than people tinfoiling v!J³.

w!J³ I don't give a $%#! about because for dumb reasons he is town.

Robyn is just copying my current solve of scotty/abby/LoRab/ts acc :P

And yes, I do take the 5 I listed as all town. I'd describe all of them as game solvers, ergo town as an additional consequence, and that's extremely valuable.

I still think that the current state is a. might lead to a v flip if people aren't too careful, and b. if a v flips, J³ dies, leaves a much much more $%#!ed game, because at that point, me/robyn/cape/thunal/rondo have to actually start block voting meaningfully. Even if we do get a w flip, J³ dies, we probably should be more cognizant about not encouraging chaos.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:48 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:44 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:43 pm I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

Ts/scotty/abigail but the thread would revolt.
I dont even know what I mean by thread would revolt.
But it would require coordination on town's end, ergo, the game's actually difficult because its impossible to get good wagons.

Like I don't mind voting LoRab, but as I said, they're completely inactive and its been exactly a dayphase.

If I had to entertain the alternative viewpoint, that is, the Mich/SVS/X/ts worldview, ehhhh. I don't know who the X would be, and that worries me.

Any reason LoRab can't be X?

Oh right, yeah it would have to be exactly that.

It does not comport with my view of the game, so it's never going to be my first instinct. I think Mich and SVS's posts have been sorely lacking but theyre also precisely the less active, and I don't really buy either as wolf on a gut level.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:44 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:43 pm I also think the current wagons are crap.

who would u go

Ts/scotty/abigail but the thread would revolt.
I dont even know what I mean by thread would revolt.
But it would require coordination on town's end, ergo, the game's actually difficult because its impossible to get good wagons.

Like I don't mind voting LoRab, but as I said, they're completely inactive and its been exactly a dayphase.

If I had to entertain the alternative viewpoint, that is, the Mich/SVS/X/ts worldview, ehhhh. I don't know who the X would be, and that worries me.

I also think the current wagons are crap.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:26 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:14 pm fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

I did some quick CTRL+Fs of both of these.

robyn town/Bereft mafia --> robyn's initial read was backwards before eventually (and abruptly) shifting to correct. Did not die until cycle 6, Bereft until cycle 7

Bereft town/robyn mafia --> Bereft's read wrong for first three cycles at least. robyn eliminated day 4 (no Bereft vote) and Bereft day 6

How do each of you reconcile this? It doesn't exactly suggest reliable reads.

Both of us knew the other wasn't playing well.
Not that we cared in the moment.

The key to good wolfplay is having good vibes and no substance, and while I'm not going to lie and say robyn has so much substantive, its way way qualitatively better than the wolfrands Ive seen from them.

And we actually both knew each other was town early EoD1 simply because of mutual interactions. Im not going to go into details but there's a subtle tit-for-tat that just neither of us pulls off as wolf.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:12 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:09 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:16 pm I like SVS's re entrance. A lack of self-pres and I actually like that she's not pushing anywhere and doesn't have scumreads since her chances of survival are higher if she made a push.

this game feels hard again

What's the typical dynamic (or describe one instance) when you're town and Bereft is not?

fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

Why tf are you dissing my wolfgame again.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:29 pm However, if there's mafia deep in my town reads, Bereft might be more logical. I've liked his posts for vaguer reasons, and he is so easy to attach to certain suspects like S~V~S. robyn could just be wrong about him. God reads are junk.

flip the poe whatever which way, but i'm explicitly telling you that cape and bereft are town, otherwise i'm amendable

scotty and wigly suspecting bereft gives me goosebumps

Wilgy reads none of my posts, Scotty's just pushing agenda. Or at least my confbiased gut tells me thats how to look at it.

Like if you are a player with any nontrivial amount of experience and pay attention to the game, you simply do not push me here. Its suicidal from town POV to be blunt.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:34 am Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Did you wolfcase me correctly in the game where shadow bussed me D1? Like, I don't get correctly wolfcased ever.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

I wanna pressure Bereft.

Sorry but everyone who ever tries this fails. Doubly so if I'm town.

I think suspecting me if you read only my posts today is 100% a thing that happens but its also extremely ill-advised because smth smth Robyn smth smth.

Game do be weird like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:23 pm @Bereft could you please estimate your confidence in robyn’s townhood?

Infinite/1

I'm not playing around here.

Not thunal just posting about half the things that run thru my head and don't say again.

Oh yeah, and Michelle posted, so you can iso them instead of saying you're comfy with your Michelle vote when to my knowledge you haven't even seen her posts today?

Oh yeah, and J³ posting 9000 walls about interactions and $%#!, so ya know, content.

See I would tell Scotty what happened in all that mess but its the type of thing that people are normally better off reading themselves unless they really don't have the time. Like you've already seen J³'s POE, and the rest is just people going back and forth about how people feel about reads in rel to J³'s so.

I'm assuming Beanpole is LoRab.
Well ppl are voting LoRab because J³ said so.
I wouldn't vote there since they literally haven't posted all day but eh.

As for abigail. Congrats, beautiful OMGUS read on me. I've not been giving you the time of day? You haven't been giving me the time of day, so kindly, lol.

Feels likes it time to pack it up here. J³'s off elsewhere so meh, dunno what Id be still doing here.

Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

Yeah the entire catchup just looked caught.

Did abigail dip? Unfortunate.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:26 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 am Robyn. You can literally read the setup and think of the wackiest thing that could be happen or could be true.

but like, why does jjj hide behind long con after he baits a nk

I dont think jjj hides behind long con. For exactly the reasons you stated.

Omfg.

Robyn. You can literally read the setup and think of the wackiest thing that could be happen or could be true.

Like I might be trolling but I think a Long Con kill is highly unrealistic and like Rondo, think it points to other things.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:09 am mech wise long con was the real shot, right?

Please tell me this is a fake post.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:05 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:01 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:01 am Hahahahaha I just realised why long con was the night kill hahahahahaha

Ikr, its the funniest $%#! ever

Who do you think was the real target? Is that why jjj is town?

1. Figure it out.

2. No lol. I thought J³ looked horrendous off of it. But smth robyn said made me decide that like probabilistically it wasnt so bad J³. Scotty looks kinda bad from [1.]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:01 am Hahahahaha I just realised why long con was the night kill hahahahahaha

Ikr, its the funniest $%#! ever

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:00 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:56 am While I was entertaining J³ wolf theories at SoD2, I decided that one of the reasons he was a wolf that I failed to recognize was a glaring red flag was that he would always ignore anything I ever said that was interesting.

No, I don't scumread J³ and don't see myself doing so for the rest of the game. And nooooo, there is no reason I'm bringing this up now.

If it's any consolation, I looked up "ultimate tic-tac-toe" on Google, and then I looked up "ultimate gif" to find a silly gif to play on the word ULTIMATE. But all the gifs were lame.

I lol'ed.

Yeah cuz J³'s a wolf mhm.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:55 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:33 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:30 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:23 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:18 am This discussion has me fantasizing over being mafia. Maybe even before the recent Michelle-induced turn, probably.

btw right now is when you turn up and continue solving before you write posts like "i realized something was wrong a few cycles ago, fuck"

Does it help if I say that I can't tell whether anything is wrong right now? The current proposal is that the team is a bunch of low-activity-ers, plus possibly Michelle/Scotty.

I'm not going to promise concentration over extended periods of time.

i believe there's a 99% chance jjj is town and is right, i also can't tell if there's anything wrong. but in general, in most circumstances, you pull a rondo here

What?

Yeah I didn't get it either.

While I was entertaining J³ wolf theories at SoD2, I decided that one of the reasons he was a wolf that I failed to recognize was a glaring red flag was that he would always ignore anything I ever said that was interesting.

No, I don't scumread J³ and don't see myself doing so for the rest of the game. And nooooo, there is no reason I'm bringing this up now.

Like I dunno, I think I'm proposing the mafia team with the correct amount of spice that also actually agrees with my views of the game D1, so I'm going to follow it.

You should play Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe instead then.

What if I said, my w/w senses tell me those are within line.

Idk.

I might be a picky about what think is or isnt w/w, but those dont scream obviously unpartnered and none aof those fit tge classical tropes.

Like part of my whole deal with assessing a mafia team is that the wolves will have faked interactions. I get nervous wheres theres no interactions in a team Im proposing.