The Syndicate

LP's last legacy was w!Leetic
Scotty's last legacy was w!Seanzie & w!me
Seanzie's last legacy was w!LP & w!Scotty, somewhat w!me and w!Pyxxy
Leetic's last legacy was ??? they were on about w!Wilgy a little but also w!LC/w!Abi with either me or Thunal as third?

Wilgy's legacy was a lovely little self care message. What fun.
Thunal's last legacy was w!Nanook & w!Roxy but to also look into Jack
Jack's last legacy was w!Nanook with w!me or w!Pyxxy
SVS's last legacy was w!Jack and w!me & generally just 'the POE is wrong please reconsider'

alright

here we go

compiling dead legacies, give me a sec

I'm going to end up like this by the end of this game ;_;

Weird EOD again ;_; I hate how quiet these are

I think Jack's town & there's so little to Nanook and at this point in the game I feel like I should be able to gather something but there's not much to his posts

Will look into things overnight regardless but I think Nanook is a hit here

does it worry me both SVS and Epi are voting Jack & I townread both of them and Jack?

maybe ;_; but shrug

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I'm wavering on Roxy & that's something I'll revisit overnight but

I dont think Jack/Pyxxy are mafia & I dont want to vote either of them

so we're back \o/

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:47 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:44 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:55 pm I really dont get Abi's shift on me in particular because she went from calling me obvtown post-leetic stuff to saying the team is me +1

Pairing that with the fact that that technically agrees with the current state of things? Because say you go over, flip town, tomorrow you just hear 'I was right on Delta guys you had him yesterday lol' which is worrying. Maybe I'm looking too far ahead in thinking that?

I guess if Abi is W then Nanook probably got TMId town through her so that would make some sense?
I guess you've never seen a player change their mind or reeval after multiple days and new info
It's such a rapid change though? Which is my main concern. Especially when you've kinda dodged talking about your reads all game which is worrying on its own
Is it

It's been 2 days lol and I've hardly explained my progression so you have no idea how my feeling on you changed throughout that

You havent explained anything to us chief do you see the issue

And yeah it kinda is? Because up until earlier you were still locked into Roxy/Pyxxy regardless?

The whole issue though is that why do I bus LC there if the pushback I'm getting is from town to begin with?

Did I just wake up that morning and think 'yeah actually you know what I'd really like to go solo this game' because I was talking about LC/Pyxxy/Jack having a wolf - if it's me/Pyxxy, I'm being such a dick to my team at that point LMAO

It doesn't line up with how I play, I normally go for sweeps & in a situation where I have the loudest townies pocketed by that point, I dont really need to bus to go deep?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:44 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:55 pm I really dont get Abi's shift on me in particular because she went from calling me obvtown post-leetic stuff to saying the team is me +1

Pairing that with the fact that that technically agrees with the current state of things? Because say you go over, flip town, tomorrow you just hear 'I was right on Delta guys you had him yesterday lol' which is worrying. Maybe I'm looking too far ahead in thinking that?

I guess if Abi is W then Nanook probably got TMId town through her so that would make some sense?
I guess you've never seen a player change their mind or reeval after multiple days and new info

It's such a rapid change though? Which is my main concern. Especially when you've kinda dodged talking about your reads all game which is worrying on its own

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:40 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:21 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:12 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:04 am D1:
LinearPoint - 4
Voters: Thunal33, Delta, leetic, Dyslexicon

Scotty - 2
Voters: S~V~S, Seanzie

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Thunal33 - 1
Voters: Roxy

Delta - 1
Voters: Scotty

pyxxy - 2
Voters: Long Con, Jackofhearts2005

Dyslexicon - 1
Voters: Epignosis

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D2:
S~V~S - 2
Voters: Roxy, Long Con

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: Jackofhearts2005

leetic - 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con - 4
Voters: Epignosis, Thunal33, Delta, leetic

Dyslexicon/Princess Abigail - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Jackofhearts2005 - 2
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy

Unvote - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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D3:
DrWilgy - 4
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Jackofhearts2005, ☆Princess Abigail☆

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 2
Voters: Delta, pyxxy

Roxy - 1
Voters: Epignosis

Jackofhearts2005 - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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Oh fuck it is just Delta +1 cool!
lmao??

You called me obvious town after the leetic thing, how'd that do a 180 to this?
I applied brain power for longer than 30 seconds and looked at the vote count and analyzed it and went oh look Delta is a wolf lmao

blink blink

You've played with me enough to have enough knowledge that EOD is always weak for me

LC's reaction to the peek felt like they knew it was fake, which kinda begs the question of would that be a partnered reaction?

That was the main thing that pinged me with LC D2 so kinda returning to that

I feel like I'm only really looking into Abi because she came into today pushing me though & I dont really want to be too omgus-y? Eh

What do you think?

I really dont get Abi's shift on me in particular because she went from calling me obvtown post-leetic stuff to saying the team is me +1

Pairing that with the fact that that technically agrees with the current state of things? Because say you go over, flip town, tomorrow you just hear 'I was right on Delta guys you had him yesterday lol' which is worrying. Maybe I'm looking too far ahead in thinking that?

I guess if Abi is W then Nanook probably got TMId town through her so that would make some sense?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:47 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:46 pm I'm struggling a lot because the main way I play forum is I bounce off of people

Even if it's just us, let's try work through this since we're both around, yeah?
Okay. What are you thinking? I posted a lot today. Any feedback on any of that besides you aren’t mafia?

I maintain that I think you're town here which is why I'm so uneasy about things & the fact that I'm being advertised as your main partner kinda reaffirms that

I think the sudden switch up from a few people here is really shaky. I dont think Epi/SVS are mafia? Which is. I guess worse because it means the shift is townled but also I'm worried about the general consensus shift.

I understand looking into Thunal's legacy & whatnot but at the same time part of me doesn't think they died for saying look into you? Because that kinda assumes that if you're w, that town would've just ignored that being there? I dont wanna wifom too heavily on the kill but shrug.

I want to give things a fair shake but if the new POE includes myself, it's wrong by default & I'm worried that by going 'its too easy' that we're overlooking the fact that just because Wilgy was a miss, the rest can still be mafia?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:46 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:44 pm 3-4 hours left. Nobody really doing anything. I could just wash my hands of this game and move on to the other two.
yeah ;_;

Where's your head at going into EOD?
I’m very close to voting Nanook or Roxy, giving the double deuce and leaving the thread forever.

I get you

I still dont feel good about those names & I feel like the direction today being 'actually lets just burn Jack & Delta' is very uneasy because while the POE before I get people being worried over, I know for certain that the new one is at least partially wrong which isn't great

I'm struggling a lot because the main way I play forum is I bounce off of people

Even if it's just us, let's try work through this since we're both around, yeah?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:44 pm 3-4 hours left. Nobody really doing anything. I could just wash my hands of this game and move on to the other two.

yeah ;_;

Where's your head at going into EOD?

Open question to anyone in the thread:

Who does Jack pair with aside from me?

Because if it's just me, he doesn't have any potential partners to me & I'm inclined to think he's just town

I can understand being concerned about the current POE & wanting to be sure on things but like ;_; it feels like the direction today has taken instead leads to a new POE of me/Jack, which is town & my townread x_x

I dunno. It's playing around in my head a little & I worry because I've been in a similar situation where me & someone else were treated as paired & POEd but no one could give either of us a logical partner aside from the other. Still chopped us x_x but shrug. I dont want to repeat that

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:32 am Is there a world where Nanook and Roxy are both town? Holding onto my newly minted Epi and SVS townreads, that would mean two wolves in Pyxxy/Delta/Abi. Wolfteam would have to be exactly Pyxxy/Delta?

I want just the squinted face part of Paul Rudd from that Tim and Eric sketch but I’m too lazy to make it and post it somewhere on mobile while pooping.

Well I can tell you that exact world doesn't work

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:12 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:04 am D1:
LinearPoint - 4
Voters: Thunal33, Delta, leetic, Dyslexicon

Scotty - 2
Voters: S~V~S, Seanzie

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Thunal33 - 1
Voters: Roxy

Delta - 1
Voters: Scotty

pyxxy - 2
Voters: Long Con, Jackofhearts2005

Dyslexicon - 1
Voters: Epignosis

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D2:
S~V~S - 2
Voters: Roxy, Long Con

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: Jackofhearts2005

leetic - 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con - 4
Voters: Epignosis, Thunal33, Delta, leetic

Dyslexicon/Princess Abigail - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Jackofhearts2005 - 2
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy

Unvote - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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D3:
DrWilgy - 4
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Jackofhearts2005, ☆Princess Abigail☆

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 2
Voters: Delta, pyxxy

Roxy - 1
Voters: Epignosis

Jackofhearts2005 - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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Oh fuck it is just Delta +1 cool!

lmao??

You called me obvious town after the leetic thing, how'd that do a 180 to this?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:18 am Maybe we’re all just town

It was LC vs the world, clearly

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:09 am Where is Delta or pyx?

I have Ariya this morning will yall post your poes and let's try to make sense out of this game

I'm here now o/ and will be until EOD

I'll get back to you on POE stuff in a sec

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:20 pm I think the mafia is Jack and Delta.

Jack goes first.

Why am I partnered with Jack in your eyes?

I feel like I'm asking silly questions at this point but shrug

My worldview feels pretty narrow but like. I really dont know where I've gone astray if I'm wrong

Someone better than wagon stuff than me help me out, does w!Jack stack with w!LC D1 with two town wagons happening as is? It blatantly kinda ties the two & there's no real need for it when theres 2 townies being wagoned to begin with

Similarly, does w!LC vote w!Pyxxy when theres 2 town dying anyway? I dont think he was really townreading the other two so it's not like he couldn't have joined those? Would that have been a distancing thing? If so, it seemed a little unnecessary if it's only me really looking into that.

I'm not great with wagon stuff? But I cant really get past that & it's why I had the idea of pyxxy/Jack/LC having exactly 1 wolf to begin with.

I think pyxxy & Jack are both town but I need a second voice on this part specifically

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:03 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:02 pm I'm worried I'm misclearing somewhere but like

I have reason to read people the way I am anyway so if I am misclearing, where? And why am I misreading them. Where are my points weakest?

I dunno. I'm struggling ;_;
I feel ya, bud. Right there with you.

I'll revisit my own reads and then if there's something I'm overlooking, I'll work from there

I'm worried I'm misclearing somewhere but like

I have reason to read people the way I am anyway so if I am misclearing, where? And why am I misreading them. Where are my points weakest?

I dunno. I'm struggling ;_;

@S~V~S

If Jack is mafia, who's partnered with him other than me?

Because if it's just me that can be partnered with him, that world is always wrong because I'm town

I can get being worried about the current POE but I'm struggling on seeing w!Jack here, especially if his prospective partner in that world is me because that doesn't work

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:21 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:36 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:29 pm Vote Wilgy
Glad you ain't my bodyguard.
I wasn't saving him no matter what I did. I gave up.
;_;

Can you run through your read on Nanook for me? Just wanna see where you're at with him, even if you think it's Roxy/Pyxxy
The book Nook is town just like Wilgy was

Can you get into your read a little though because I dont have the same experience you do w Nanook so I wanna be able to understand this a little better

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:08 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:46 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:15 pm Imma vote for Jack. I think he was partnered with LC.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Ffs do something besides repeat this. Please.
What do you think has happened that would change my mind? Wilgy flipping town? Thunal getting NKed? Those things kinda deepened my resolve.

People don't just drop their suspects for no reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:49 pm We are almost at the point where we can confirm Roxy/Wilgy as the correct solve because they aren’t self preserving (this is a joke)
Almost, but not quite, eh?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:59 pm So we want to flip someone to see how valid the POE is rather than because we think they’re a wolf?

My vote is good where it is. I think he’s bad regardless of anyone else’s POE.
Is there anyone in particular you think would be my partner or would never ever be my partner?
Overall, I had felt pretty good about Delta, but their pile onto me for no discernable reason whatsoever puts them in the possible "Jack/LC partner" camp. Especially when they didn't really push back against Thunal at all when she started posting my townier moments, just dropped their SVS vote like a hot potato. A vote they didn't really seem to believe in when they made it. You kinda hot potatoed it too, actually, now that I think about it.

I can't read Nook whatsoever, he's just a happy warm presence, and can't recall much they have said this game without looking it up. So he could potentially be bad, but mostly based on "lack of good" more so than "active bad".

Abigail is usually somewhat snarky with me, and her being so nice to me freaks me out a bit, since I know I am subject to pocketing a bit. But I still don't see her gambit coming from a wolfy place; shaking up the thread from a focus on one persons thoughts was totally pro town, and people can be nice without an agenda. So I do think she's town, but wanted to point out that caveat.

And I have reason to think Roxy, Epi and pyxxy are town.

'No discernable reason' ???

I've been through this already - I got worried EOD that I had been too stubborn about the push on LC & I got worried since it felt like I was being too nitpicky with my read or that I was reading into nothing. Out of the two wagons, I didnt want Jack to die since coming up to EOD I had started to townread him & Pyxxy who I included in my triangle read. I still switched back to LC because voting you didn't feel right & it was tied.

This is something that is unfortunately very rooted in how I play ;_; and that's something that Wilgy acknowledged yesterday & he affirmed that it's something he could see me doing. Thunal has also seen how I play & still strongly townread me. Abi is (I think?) doing the same.

I do have an example game of me getting worried or jittery at EOD - I actually linked it earlier but I can pull up the exact quotes from it if needed because my ISO is horrible x_x

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:36 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:29 pm Vote Wilgy
Glad you ain't my bodyguard.
I wasn't saving him no matter what I did. I gave up.

;_;

Can you run through your read on Nanook for me? Just wanna see where you're at with him, even if you think it's Roxy/Pyxxy

hihi o/ good morning

I'll be around later on, gg to Thunal & Wilgy \o/

I hope I'm wrong but staying here, it's not decisive anyway but just. I dunno

I really hope I'm wrong on Wilgy and just look silly x_x I hate how quiet this is

I hate EODs

Worst part of forum ;_;

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:48 pm DADV means dead thread dead villy right

Yep

I'd vote Roxy but I'm hesitant

There's been moments today where's she's talked about my play and it's been very different to what my play has actually been like & when I prompt her about it there's been a lot of 'I havent read your ISO' 'I dont really get how you play'

but I kinda feel like that's genuine? Which sounds silly but ;_; people tend to struggle with how I play the first time around so I can see those being genuine thoughts.

I dunno. I'm really unsure ab how she's posted about reading me vs how she's responded to me but I dont think it's inherently wolfy.

I also dont really want to kill Wilgy today because he feels a lot different to how I know he plays as a wolf.

I kinda want to be wrong & see either of them flip W but I'm very hesitant

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm Feeling antsy that nothing has happened in several hours approaching EOD. The only thing that has happened is me talking past SVS and Abby and Abby switching to vote Roxy instead of me because ???

Yeah I'm worried

I feel kinda similar to yesterday where I'm townreading the people pushing against what I'm voting which also doesnt feel great & like. LC was mafia but I'm still worried ab Nanook being a miss

x_x

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:08 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:57 pm https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... r-Remix%29

@Thunal33 this is the game I'm on about above

I wont put anyone through the wonders of my ISO but if you check Wilgy's intro there vs here there's a pretty big difference
I can definitely see the difference, but I also played a game with wolf Wilgy where he only posted emojis for the first day phase. I think his range for what intros he can make is pretty big and not always AI.

that's peak I hope he won that game

Those are more recent examples for me though & in Turtles mafia the first time around he died d1 for not really keeping up or doing as much as people rlly wanted? & I think he had some moments in that game as well so shrug

Will do a full sweep to see if there's anything else notable but that's the first thing that came to mind

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... r-Remix%29

@Thunal33 this is the game I'm on about above

I wont put anyone through the wonders of my ISO but if you check Wilgy's intro there vs here there's a pretty big difference

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:52 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:18 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:17 pm I agree with Jack. Imo, Wilgy’s flip would tell more about how valid the PoE is than Nanook’s flip. Nanook feels like the shrug elim that tells us nothing here.
Wilgy is an okay flip but I feel like he's had more micro townie moments than what I've seen from Nanook, can you try sell me a little on that? I'll try find what I'm on about as well
What micro townie moments are you thinking of?

OH yeah I need to grab those one sec

I mentioned this a little D1 but I thought his assertion of 'I will do this at my own pace' felt good esp since about a month or so ago we were in a game together where he was w & he immediately went into trying to pick up the pace w how he approached things.

Not an activity read because I'm aware it sounds like one ;_; just general approach to early game feels very different

Will go through & illustrate what I mean though

at least you're early?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:46 pm Okay there are 14 min left in the day right? Nobody have anything important to say?

1 hour 14 mins

you'll get there on the deadline time eventually

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:32 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:20 pm Yeah, I don't think we learn anything at all from Nanook's flip. He can be town. He can be wolves with anybody. It's just removing him from the game.
eh

I disagree, I think there's something to gain from the Nanook flip. It's D3, if there's a slot at this point which still feels like 'you just get their alignment' then that's definitely worrying ?_?
I mean, I agree but that's the game we're playing in.

Say we yeet Nanook right now and he flips wolf. What does that tell you?

There's been some pushback on killing Nanook while Wilgy/Roxy have been pretty stagnant pushes & you noted yourself that people have towned Nanook out of the 3 general POE members. I'd probably look into that a bit more?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:20 pm Yeah, I don't think we learn anything at all from Nanook's flip. He can be town. He can be wolves with anybody. It's just removing him from the game.

eh

I disagree, I think there's something to gain from the Nanook flip. It's D3, if there's a slot at this point which still feels like 'you just get their alignment' then that's definitely worrying ?_?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:17 pm I agree with Jack. Imo, Wilgy’s flip would tell more about how valid the PoE is than Nanook’s flip. Nanook feels like the shrug elim that tells us nothing here.

Wilgy is an okay flip but I feel like he's had more micro townie moments than what I've seen from Nanook, can you try sell me a little on that? I'll try find what I'm on about as well

Will be here from now until EOD o/

A little tired & doing like 5 diff things at once but I'm around nonetheless

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:19 pm I think I'm down with a Wilgy nook wagon-off

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

hell yeah \o/

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

for now \o/ though out of the 3 names given I feel like I'm struggling to see points in favor of Nanook, if anyone's in disagreement then lets talk but this is where I feel most comfortable voting right now

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:58 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:45 pm Really what Thunal and you are asking is, if the thread is town-driven, as it appears to be, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And I think the answer to that is, well, are your poes true poes, as the definition goes? If you think your pool contains the scum, then town consensus is a good thing here and we're gonna win. If you're actually concerned about how you formed your poe, then talk to me about that.
I worry because I feel like my thoughts are less 'I genuinely feel this person can be mafia' and more 'I have no names left other than these guys' which is why I'm seeking second opinions & seeing how people reached the same conclusions I did, to see if there's anything I missed that could strengthen my own reads or maybe shed light on where I'm going wrong

I'm working through Jack's post right now so that'll have some of my own thoughts, though I feel he echoed a lot of the reasons I'm townreading people also which feels good for me. I'll ping you when I post it since that's what you wanted me to work through last night \o/
Yeah, it's mostly that the PoE is less towny rather than that they're wolfy. Wilgy is the only one I have reasons to actually think he's a wolf, and even there I'm not totally confident like I was when I was riding the high of LC's flip.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly ;_;

I want to be thorough and make sure I'm not overlooking anything but I feel like I have stronger reasons to town everyone else

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