The Syndicate

ggwp to wolves \o/

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:05 pmBeans.

wise word JJJ

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:59 pm yeah but I mean, from what I'm seeing you just held until Epi voted, instead of voting nook and seeing if Epi would follow

you talked about this in not leading the thread when Epi asked

I've been on Nook all day???

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:58 pm I'd jump to Nook if you two did.

Epi why didnt you say this sooner ;O;

Me parking on Nook is loss because thats 3 - 2 - 1

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:57 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:52 pm [VOTE: PYXXY] aubergine

in jack we trust
why not vote nook? idgi

Because I do not have the support for Nook

A rand being the potential make-or-break of this game is peak though

Abi swooping in is just loss

I'm so nervous

but also it's kinda out of my hands at this point?

I dunno. I hope this isnt gg & we're back here tomorrow x_x

[VOTE: PYXXY] aubergine

in jack we trust

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:47 pm And I'm sorry that I have not been very active here and that I understand that might negatively influence whether civilians win.

@Roxy Did you say why you were voting Delta? If so, I missed it.

You're okay

This game has felt like a lot of 'waddle through the votes and hope for the best' so dont stress it ;_;

I'm not really trying to steer this, realistically I should but like.

If Roxy is town voting me, I need to nail a wolf here for us to have a shot. I'm just trying to see if I can do that. I think I have? But. Eh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:45 pm Delta, on the one hand, I think your interactions surrounding the one known mafia member (LC) stink. I think you know that much.

On the other, I do not get the impression that you are mafia trying (in this moment) to steer me in any particular direction.

If anything, I appreciate you being proactive and asking me things rather than being reactive.

Painfully aware which sucks

Small victory for myself is that I caught LC to begin with but also like. I dunno. Kicking myself over doubting that read near EOD because we might lose because of it

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:40 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:34 pm I don't understand Nook's reason for voting Delta. The interactions between Nook and Long Con were all but nonexistent.
Nook kinda echoes Pyxxy's statement about me/Abi being an opposite check which is just taking both pushes today and opting to try 'resolve' them which sucks because I think Abi is town

Feels just very opportunistic because I dont really get how we became an opposite check to begin with ;_;
Well, the issue with that is there is no such thing as an "opposite check" today assuming two living mafia members.

Yeah there's that too because it's kinda all or nothing here

I dunno. It's weird & I dont like both Pyxxy/Nanook pouncing on that idea when the day opened with pushes on me/Abi as is because I know at least half of that is wrong & I think Abi is probably town here

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:37 pm The thing about that though is that Nook looks distracted rather than seeking to push an agenda. I'd think a mafia Nook would do... I don't know. Something.

My worry is he's been like this all game & saved all the same, as town I'd expect the focus to be as to why he's been saved because if I was v in that situation, I'd be fairly worried about those townreading me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:34 pm I don't understand Nook's reason for voting Delta. The interactions between Nook and Long Con were all but nonexistent.

Nook kinda echoes Pyxxy's statement about me/Abi being an opposite check which is just taking both pushes today and opting to try 'resolve' them which sucks because I think Abi is town

Feels just very opportunistic because I dont really get how we became an opposite check to begin with ;_;

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:22 pm I'm here and will vote before the deadline (probably poorly).

Who are you currently leaning towards voting?

I dont know I'm really struggling with what to say here

Because I've scumread Nanook pretty much since D1, and since D1 he hasnt improved

But there's so little to his ISO that I dont know what I really can say to highlight why I'm reading him this way

neglected*

but

nanook's vote comes across like he's always had this read when it's not really the case & it's only really today he's entertained a push on. anyone really? but in particular myself

whatever

will crack down this final hour since i've negleted this game

yeah this just

feels like loss?

given the numbers & roxy could just be town here

ouch

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:41 pm vote Delta sorry it's just where I am but I love your game style

;_; ouch

that's. awkward though because if you're town wolves essentially have 3 votes on me & i dont think abi would let it rand

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:28 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:07 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:23 pm @pyxxy gonna swing your question back to you, do you have any wolf games here or on MU I can take a look at?
yee

lolcat scum game - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2508
me actually winning and wolfing with nook, lmao - viewtopic.php?p=1037046#p1037046

and then my MU profile only has 1 scum game where I got D1 for nonsense reasons and then Michelle carried my useless butt to victory
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39251
Will read these in a bit \o/ thank you

How do you perceive Nanook's wolf game? Since you won together in the champs practice game
I mean like glancing at nook's iso in that game, this post says it all
(spoiler'd since it's a post from another game)
Spoiler: show
viewtopic.php?p=1036997#p1036997
- replied to someone (me, his scum partner)
- followed up by actually @ing me

compared to this game where he just has done.....nothing.....the entire time

so like, it's not the nook wolf that I wolfed with. that's why I was talking about EV and such, when I was deep into your VCA.

to be clear I had forgotten that I had wolfed with nook in that game although I did remember playing well in that game, so I'm just saying this ain't _that_ nook. he could have difference styles like how I've been questioning you :/

Regardless I'd say this is probably an out of the ordinary game for him?

But I think he's definitely been enabled to just laugh his way through the game in being saved a few times

Thank you for your response though \o/

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:07 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:23 pm @pyxxy gonna swing your question back to you, do you have any wolf games here or on MU I can take a look at?
yee

lolcat scum game - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2508
me actually winning and wolfing with nook, lmao - viewtopic.php?p=1037046#p1037046

and then my MU profile only has 1 scum game where I got D1 for nonsense reasons and then Michelle carried my useless butt to victory
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39251

Will read these in a bit \o/ thank you

How do you perceive Nanook's wolf game? Since you won together in the champs practice game

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:28 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:05 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:37 pm I think it could be nook. Bus once, bus twice, what's the difference if you're already bussing. Roxy just reads town to me + idt she would play the game this way as wolf given *waves*. Epi entering strong onto Abigail made me pause but I want to talk more with him. Maybe I'm not explaining myself well enough but it's like the pattern appeared for me.

That leaves nook and Abigail. And I thought about this as I was processing EOD and coming to where I am now. I wanted to see how Abigail would enter too. Yeah I wrote my thoughts in that spoiler before her arrival today but I've figured out that people often skip spoilers.

But Abigail also saw what I was seeing with the VCA yesterday when I first posted it. I suppose maybe I could see you two being a difference check, if Dizzy was truly back to doing Dizzy things. But then my strength of belief in Abigail here just makes me feel more certain that you're a wolf.

With nook the issue is that if I think you're his partner, nothing in my analysis of the game changes from nook flipping wolf. It becomes nk WIFOM whether I live or die and nook truly adds nothing to the VCA or the solve. Obviously he was a better chop than Jack, because then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Although I guess SVS just tunnels Jack for another day at that point? Idk.
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Your lack of desire to push nook is giving me some pause here. I would expect you to just lay into him here and want to get him over. But I can't really see another solution to this puzzle, and the theory already backs up bussing once. Maybe Alison has just messed with my expectation of scum teams in that one game.

You said you can run threads as scum. Do you have any scum games (preference for this site or MU) that I could read? No promises.
I want to give things a good run over because while I think Nanook is most likely hit, there's still an issue of his partner & there's only so much that can be said about Nanook to begin with given his lack of thread presense.

I hate the bolded though, maybe a little more evident in the games I link but I'm not one to bus anyway ;_; though regardless that kinda worries me because if Nanook is mafia, I do worry you're setting up to just go 'lol Delta bussed again oops lets kill him ' which is an uneasy feeling.

I can grab some links to games, I think my best example is Turtles Mafia where I was pushed every day but survived every day regardless because those pushing me just died every day :wowee: I was top poster by a good margin and generally just would not shut my mouth

As for MU, I'll link my first & most recent wolf rands since I think they're both pretty good examples of how I play:
viewtopic.php?t=2535
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... 6-D6-Mafia
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... rbo-Burial (was Gengar in this game)
I read your ISO in Turtles Again yesterday

you make shorter posts, are more to the point, clearer about who you're trying to push and why
all things that if you were partnered with a low activity wolf, I would expect you to do the inverse of over the course of this game, start low and then ramp once town voices are dead

do you think that this is a pretty big tell for you? or can I tinfoil that you've intentionally switched up your style in this game?

you also pushed falcon aka the slanker equivalent from that F5 lmao (for legal reasons this is a joke)

hm okay I'll go read your other games

You can tinfoil if you like but also I wouldnt specifically switch things up for this game considering the fact that while I am kinda familiar with a few people here, I'm still new enough that I can get away with playing wolf comfortably?

On MU there's a game-to-game difference with my wolf rands because I had a period of just non stop wolfing with similar playerlists
I dont think it would really apply here?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:32 pm D6 mafia game makes your scum game look classy but also that's scarier bud

that game was so funny
if it means anything the 12/12 is significantly less classy but my wolf bud was someone I know pretty well so we didn't really take it too seriously

@pyxxy gonna swing your question back to you, do you have any wolf games here or on MU I can take a look at?

He tries to push Jack as looking super townie & trying to pair himself to Jack, and his approach to Roxy is similar to a point where I might just go 'fuck it Roxy town' and hope for the best?

?_? think that works in my mind?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:14 pm Been kind of busy today, and that's not going to get much better. I need to get my vote off leetic, and I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because they haven't gotten any better in my eyes, slightly worse from their avoidance of the red check gambit. I could vote for Roxy, but some of her reaction just don't fit what I think scum Roxy would play like. Epi put on the blinders and attacked Roxy's content, but maybe the player generating the content is as important as the content itself.

Jack is really turning on the charm here and looking townier than he has all game. Nanook is laying very low and I'm fine with giving him the heave-ho if it comes down to it.

Could Abi be scum? Is that gambit too risky for scum? It might be... I think other players are more familiar with this risky maneuver, such a Abi themselves. What happens when scum try that move?

Not really close to calling leetic scum right now. Or Delta, I don't think Delta's red-check-reaction was all that comparable to pyxxy's, despite the two being regarded similarly.

I'll try to get a few minutes to quick catchup and post before the deadline.

Returning to this post because it's a pretty interesting one:
Looking at how LC handled town in this post, I would say Roxy is.. probably town? Because he approaches his read on her is kinda like 'I would but I think she's town' and maybe this was him trying to open up options for voting at EOD without it reflecting too bad on him? I also think his push on Abi is kinda awkward here & I don't think it's w/w? Kinda just trying to keep paths open really.

Also v curious about Nanook & Pyxxy for this reason, Nanook in particular, because while he's pretty awkward about how he talks about town like Jack & Myself, with Pyxxy/Nanook it feels pretty direct?

Also tries to push that me/Pyxxy reacted differently which could come from TMI? Since maybe struggling to come up with a reason to push his partner there? I dunno

Went back to this since Roxy was asking Epi ab being paired with LC and yeah I dont think he would be with how LC tries to put an awkward angle on how Epi played that day.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:38 pm Delta - I really really dislike your voting and it's patterns. I could see you as bad bc I have had this gut feeling since D 1 about you.

If I cannot vote PA I will vote you.

I get that a lot

I get jumpy at EOD because people seem to only wake up for EOD & I dislike how a lot of the game is played exclusively at that point. I also dont have much faith in my reads a lot of the time which is something I'm trying to work on x_x

I'm a chat player, I'm not used to anything feeling so permanent like forum EODs do because most games are over & wiped from memory within an hour.

Though excuses aside, yeah I. Get that a lot. But it's really not a wolfy thing for me. Reread how I approached LC all day and get back to me on that instead

Also not sure on the idea of me/Abi being a diff check?

I think Nanook/Abi is a diff check but that's mainly due to 1.) how Dizzy approached things and 2.) if Nanook is town here then lol rip & also I think the defense of him earlier reads like TMI that he's town because there's v little reason to have defended him when she did.

I dont fully see how we slot as a diff check in the same way? Especially since I lean Nanook being mafia over Abi quite heavily here

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:37 pm I think it could be nook. Bus once, bus twice, what's the difference if you're already bussing. Roxy just reads town to me + idt she would play the game this way as wolf given *waves*. Epi entering strong onto Abigail made me pause but I want to talk more with him. Maybe I'm not explaining myself well enough but it's like the pattern appeared for me.

That leaves nook and Abigail. And I thought about this as I was processing EOD and coming to where I am now. I wanted to see how Abigail would enter too. Yeah I wrote my thoughts in that spoiler before her arrival today but I've figured out that people often skip spoilers.

But Abigail also saw what I was seeing with the VCA yesterday when I first posted it. I suppose maybe I could see you two being a difference check, if Dizzy was truly back to doing Dizzy things. But then my strength of belief in Abigail here just makes me feel more certain that you're a wolf.

With nook the issue is that if I think you're his partner, nothing in my analysis of the game changes from nook flipping wolf. It becomes nk WIFOM whether I live or die and nook truly adds nothing to the VCA or the solve. Obviously he was a better chop than Jack, because then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Although I guess SVS just tunnels Jack for another day at that point? Idk.
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Your lack of desire to push nook is giving me some pause here. I would expect you to just lay into him here and want to get him over. But I can't really see another solution to this puzzle, and the theory already backs up bussing once. Maybe Alison has just messed with my expectation of scum teams in that one game.

You said you can run threads as scum. Do you have any scum games (preference for this site or MU) that I could read? No promises.

I want to give things a good run over because while I think Nanook is most likely hit, there's still an issue of his partner & there's only so much that can be said about Nanook to begin with given his lack of thread presense.

I hate the bolded though, maybe a little more evident in the games I link but I'm not one to bus anyway ;_; though regardless that kinda worries me because if Nanook is mafia, I do worry you're setting up to just go 'lol Delta bussed again oops lets kill him

' which is an uneasy feeling.

I can grab some links to games, I think my best example is Turtles Mafia where I was pushed every day but survived every day regardless because those pushing me just died every day :wowee: I was top poster by a good margin and generally just would not shut my mouth

As for MU, I'll link my first & most recent wolf rands since I think they're both pretty good examples of how I play:
viewtopic.php?t=2535
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... 6-D6-Mafia
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... rbo-Burial (was Gengar in this game)

@pyxxy who do you think second mafia is alongside me?

you came into today with a change of direction but like. who would be my partner?

part of me worries that I'm alive to vote Nanook but like

makes little sense for that to be the case if I'm the only one still pursuing this & the alternative is myself

I also. Dont think I've been in a position to really be the nightkill either? so shrug

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

mulling things over but I kinda just think this is the most likely hit still

he's been maj twice & keeps getting saved, I feel like town would at least wonder why that keeps happening but it feels like Nanook just isnt bothered by it?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:30 am You say this as if no wolf in the history of mafia has ever defended a town to look better

it's also not impossible for town to be right?

My point is I havent just let town eat away at itself because I have tried to actually steer things ;_;

And 'letting the town eat itself' I've tried saving both town that have died. Wilgy went down with me saying 'hey Wilgy was v different in this game to his recent wolf game' and got pretty much nothing in return on that. Jack went down with me saying "He's not mafia, Nanook is a better vote here" and got the same again.

"Oh nooo we're in MYLO

I cant believe Delta would do this to us' I've tried man ;_; I should've fought back on the Jack wagon harder than what I did but like. I've been trying to prevent town deaths for the past 2 days

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:39 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:06 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:53 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:51 pm tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine
PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?
it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with
You are missing my point.

PA is defending players in one breath and then voting those same players out when it matters.

What is your interpretation of that? Is PA a civilian?
It's a bad look but like, I've been clear and more lost in my tinfoil earlier in this game.

More than a bad look, it's hypocritical and easily avoidable. Precisely so avoidable that I don't understand why scum Abigail would do it. That's my point. Yesterday's EOD makes no sense for scum Abigail to do. And VCA and possibly bussing of Long Con makes me think Delta is a hit. Yesterday I wanted nook out because I townread Jack. I'm around to chop nook or Abigail and win the game for scum. That's where my paranoia is at right now. There's been a consistent refrain since Wilgy about how the game is harder now. Delta scum lines up with that. Also she's faded more and more as the other vocal town have been killed off. Letting town eat itself?

That's where my head is at right now. Also I feel bad about EOD yesterday and what I said. It's all being taken into account.

I cant carry a thread as town & that's something I've said since D1. As wolf? I can definitely run a thread, Epi's seen me do so. But as town I'm always going to match the energy of the thread & in a game where it feels like people dont care for the outcome and want to sleepwalk into loss, it's tough for me to keep my own energy up. I think Jack summed it up pretty well yesterday.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:01 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:41 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:38 pm v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him
Addendum:

Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook
Don't think Abi is town in a v!Nanook world? But less confident

Would argue they're probably a diff check? But I'm. Not 100% & it's not something I could comfortably push right now
"Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook"
why?

Think Epi is town regardless & I had a specific reason for that but I'll have to go find it

Abi/Nanook doesn't really make sense to me because I think if Nanook's mainly being supported by his partner to keep staying alive, there would be some activity on his end to try keep things up so he doesnt look overly reliant on them? & I think Nanook's partner is someone who's been quieter about him as I mentioned earlier

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:46 pm Delta, I feel like mostly you're just restating things you see. I'm not sure what you want me to comment on.

Mainly what I'm saying about Nanook because I'll probably do that for everyone here & try rule out worlds/pairings

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:23 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:06 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:41 pmhihi Epi o/
Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.
\o/ when you're back can you look over what I've said so far and tell me what you think?

tyty
Sure, anything you write I'll look over it.

Thank you \o/ I've mainly just gone over my thoughts coming into today so just let me know what you think & I'll get back to you

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:06 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:41 pmhihi Epi o/
Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.

\o/ when you're back can you look over what I've said so far and tell me what you think?

tyty

hihi Epi o/

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:38 pm v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

Addendum:

Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook
Don't think Abi is town in a v!Nanook world? But less confident

Would argue they're probably a diff check? But I'm. Not 100% & it's not something I could comfortably push right now

v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

I love self monologuing this is fun

may or may not be losing it

If he's town then theres mafia in those saving him but also like

that's rough because v!nanook is a tough read for me to get to here ;_;

It's kinda annoying how things have gone though because twice Nanook has reached leading wagon & been saved for whatever reason

& if he's town then I can get why but also like

surely you see yourself reach maj twice as town & maybe look into why thats happening?

If Nanook is mafia his partner isnt one of his most vocal townreaders, I dont think mafia gets along coasting w/out stepping up if its their partner enabling them, prolly only does so if it's the product of town playing around them?

I think Epi is town. I'll start from there I think?

I dunno. I'm not too enthusiastic about this but I want to give things a fair shot because we were doing well w getting LC over ;_;

I'm shouting to the void at this point but it's fine \o/

I'm staring at that now like 'thats not too helpful to me' but shrug

Starting point I guess?

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