The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:48 am 1am and I'm drunk and going to bad. Enjoy reading hot takes from lesser players.

This is pure bullying, and you know it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:46 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:41 am Also Chelsea is just mafia. Which means Brad is also mafia. So Lan is honestly probably just in damage control pushing me.
So you are tunneling me now in an OMGUS way for pointing your questionable stances of yours? Get real, please.
Every one of my d2 posts has been the best post I've ever read and you should agree.

Lolno, you wish.

Funny thing is, I believe that there are many things we could actually talk about. Like Chelsea playing an uninspiring game ignoring early D1. Or Nanook posting 26 times with almost no content. The whole Manny situation. Other players that I have issues reading due to a lack of unfamiliarity, like Dunnstral.

As I said before, you are like a pendulum to me, swinging between villager and wolf between pages, sometimes between posts. I want to actually figure you out. But if you antagonize me I won't bother, that much I can guarantee you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:41 am Also Chelsea is just mafia. Which means Brad is also mafia. So Lan is honestly probably just in damage control pushing me.

So you are tunneling me now in an OMGUS way for pointing your questionable stances of yours? Get real, please.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:35 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:02 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:02 pm Oh did it start?

Also is there a maximum number of posts?
Okay so I didn't actually read the gamestart prior to now but Creature asking this question is a very awkward entrance given there were posts before this and he clearly knew it was starting. This is like the definition of "I dunno what to say". Then the post cap question is like... irrelevant to him considering he ended up 42 posting so it just looks like fluff for the sake of it.
I'm not sure if you already forgot how Creature plays or if you didn't bother having a closer look at Creature's posts but there was a lot of thoughts and solving that you don't see Creature do as wolf unless being forced and dragged by the game to do so.

I really don't like your stances today, Mac. Maybe I am putting you on a pedestal here but I consider you to be a strong town player and... I don't see that here. It's a lot of weird and, in my opinion, nonsensical takes that I can't see you do as town but can see you do as a wolf trying to steer the conversation

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
Firstly I haven't read much more of Creatures content but making an observation about how bad his entrance is and then doing nothing but arbitrarily throwing him in the poe is not grounds for any kind of base of accusing me of a wolf agenda predicated on Creature being town. It's a dumb argument. You seem to be reading me in the worst possible faith.

Again, this may be a me issue but I live under the impression that your skill is among the level of players I highly respect on MU. And frankly, your D2 opening was a pile of stinker posts that later came better as I ended up reading more.

(Also I won't apologise for making statements on the fly and I am reading back to front since parallel computing hasn't been invented for humans yet.)

I don't think that holding a player that's great at either alignment for scrutiny is undeserved and I will keep voicing my opinion if I feel like you are trying to snow us.

I can't say for sure how familiar you are with Creature, for example; I am under the impression that you've seen Creature play in the past a lot and that you should have taken your time reading all posts when you call them "mostly fluff posts" and I find that a misleading statement considering that Creature made some very good posts as well AND is known for fluff while playing as either alignment. I do think I've played enough games and mashes with both of you simultaneously that you SHOULD be aware of that, I may be wrong, but that's where I stand.

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:13 am also im vaguely surprised no one has tried sr'ing me using the fact that Mich was sr'ing me before they got nk'd.

My suggestion would be to play in an even wolfier fashion than some other players around.

(Since we talked about Mafia pregame my stance is more neutral but that's OOG so I can't really go into it here. Also, I don't have seen you play in a semi dejected way as ANY alignment yet so I can't really make a read on that, focus on other players I find wolfy and hope that you are town for the time being, if that makes sense, considering that I enjoy playing with you and that you invited me in the first place.)

Hi Mac, as you may have seen I feel a bit frustrated with your game so far.

Thoughts?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:23 am
Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:22 am I think falcon is way more likely than not villa btw.
I still think Lan is an IC
Mac and Creature can still be town

I kinda wanna kill Chels but im too much of a coward to actually push that today so i'd settle for TSP or Epi ig.
Thoughts on Mac and Chelsea?

Also I see falcon being floated around, falcon completely fell below my radar so far, but then again so did TSP and (for a long time) Sig and... too many others.

You can find me on sonar or lidar, but I am immune to radio waves

Okay, but what's your stances on the game? Where is your head at? What do you think about your wagon, and why?

I don't think I've seen you post much content I found meaningful and I'd rather see more.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)

I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.

While I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.

I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.

Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:22 am I think falcon is way more likely than not villa btw.
I still think Lan is an IC
Mac and Creature can still be town

I kinda wanna kill Chels but im too much of a coward to actually push that today so i'd settle for TSP or Epi ig.

Thoughts on Mac and Chelsea?

Also I see falcon being floated around, falcon completely fell below my radar so far, but then again so did TSP and (for a long time) Sig and... too many others.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:45 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:39 am For those who missed it, Sig's role was guaranteed to be in the game for the town alignment as per the opening posts, which is a stronger ability than what their role actually did. So if they had claimed their role/flavor I'd have pointed that out and motioned for us to eliminate elsewhere. Us eliminating them probably wasn't considered in the balance of the setup so we are at a stronger disadvantage than usual, mafia effectively had three night kills while we killed nobody.

I’m optimistic, personally.

Because often times on the site if we eliminate mafia D1, town loses. Dunno why that seems to happen, but

Yeah, Scotty is still town. Not just for that, but just in general.

Also yeah, I will not read any of the Lime/Sean posts since I do not condone that kind of behaviour, period. I don't know what happened prior, I don't WANT to know either, but either stay civil or don't enter spots simultaneously where you end up headbutting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:10 am I haven't read the whole game but I read enough to get to confidence with these reads. I also actually think Epignosis has kind of softed himself as the Courierrole but I'm not really 3p hunting because frankly it does not comply with how I read games in that I sort people by the level of believability in the choices they make.

Which now that I have articulated, kind of ... makes me see Chelsea ever so slightly more favourably. And also Creature. So I suppose I could call them upper POE, with Jack, Bradley and Falcon as the lower POE.

Okay, so imagine me being on page 21, seeing you make more reasonable posts, playing much more akin to how I'd expect you to play as town, having a take on Chelsea that got me thinking (alongside Scotty's take the page before)... and then you drop the bolded and I'm back to shaking my head. Like, what is this kind of post going to achieve here? Are you wolfing or are you just intentionally trying to stay alive longer by acting wolfy between solving?

Trying to figure you out is most likely going to be the most frustrating experience in this game. You switch so hard between extremely wolfy and very towny, sometimes between pages... I really have no idea where I should sort you.

Gonna leave the vote for now while I read more posts but... I feel like I need to see your flip this game before I feel safe to put you into any category this time.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.
I should mention because I was thinking of Seanzie- he would’ve been a GREAT vig target.

If we had a vig, I would have assumed they would’ve shot yesterday. I do not think we have a vig (this is all based on how I would play of course)

Anyway, 3 town? Hmmmmm

So I did some thinking in the night and Dunnstral should be town, but I’m actually thinking they could be exactly a deepwolf in the making. The way they were pocketing me was very smooth and I chalked it up to me just being town as shit yesterday (I know, I know, only a few groupies agreed) but I think I might be getting it all wrong. Might be. Too scared to vote there tho.

That didn’t answer your question.

LanMila had some good back and forth. Not tooo blendy, and not scared to make reads.
Ironically, I think you came out of yesterday being pretty towny. I’ve flip flopped on you in my head and will probably do so as the day goes on, but for now you’re town to me.

I was coming around on Creature. He has emerged in the back half of the day as someone I wouldn’t mind borrowing my sugar

Hi, Scotty, I think I asked you yesterday already but I'd like your help in building a stance on Dunnstral who flies a bit under my personal radar. I see that you read him off of personal interactions, which is something I tend to do as well, but do you have experience with Dunn? Like, you are afraid of a potential deep wolf but have you seen Dunn take such strategies before or is that a general "I don't want to be snowed" stance?

Like, I get the aspect of questioning everything but being too paranoid can destroy town cohesiveness.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:02 am
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:02 pm Oh did it start?

Also is there a maximum number of posts?
Okay so I didn't actually read the gamestart prior to now but Creature asking this question is a very awkward entrance given there were posts before this and he clearly knew it was starting. This is like the definition of "I dunno what to say". Then the post cap question is like... irrelevant to him considering he ended up 42 posting so it just looks like fluff for the sake of it.

I'm not sure if you already forgot how Creature plays or if you didn't bother having a closer look at Creature's posts but there was a lot of thoughts and solving that you don't see Creature do as wolf unless being forced and dragged by the game to do so.

I really don't like your stances today, Mac. Maybe I am putting you on a pedestal here but I consider you to be a strong town player and... I don't see that here. It's a lot of weird and, in my opinion, nonsensical takes that I can't see you do as town but can see you do as a wolf trying to steer the conversation

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:56 pm Noting that we had 2 deaths last night, and my conclusion is they were both Mafia.
It could be have the town vig, but ngl either of those are absolutely inoptimal town vig shots and I don’t want to operate in that donkey Kong world.

Couldn’t have been any of the aggro indies.
It could have been courier #5. Could have been, I just don’t know what weird agenda they have to kill a top poster like that.

In any case, it’s certainly not townsiding, so I must operate from the assumption, like Mac is doing, that mafia wanted them dead.

@Mackel sorry, I thought for some reason you were pointing to me being the 8 ball in the corner pocket because Michelle had suspected me for some time. Didn’t realize it was a post count thing.

I think it more likely that
-Michelle had…almost no one town reading her, except me early on.
-Abbi was hitting all her town notes and I don’t think anyone would have a good time finding her wolf any time soon.

I would make my case that I’m not scared of keeping around players that find me wolfy, and plus, wolves might just want to keep me around for later miselim fodder. Will see
Am I missing something? Why can't it have been the indies?

Of course we don't know anything about the courier but the other independent cannot kill N1, it's either delayed (fire, poison) or N2+ (regular serial killer)

This is likely the mafia vig role or the town vig role and seeing that both players were universally townread late-phase I don't think that it's the latter.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:27 pm Wow nice kills that heavily point at @Scotty lol.
look at you coming in with that poignant agenda

I see you

NKs aside, I should have known sig was town when he was just laying down and taking it, acting all wolfy. Typical town sig behavior. Sorry sig.

I’m not town leader today, but I might still postcap
Homie it's not poignant agenda. It's a straightforward read. The top and third top posters died and you were the second top poster. That points at you in a level 1 way. Trying to dress up a reasonable analysis as agenda is actually wolfier than what merited the read in the first place. Play a straight bat Scotty.

Killing two of the three top-posting players as the third one is... like, why would you throw yourself under the bus that way? I'm having trouble seeing you come to that kind of read, Mac, I have the impression that you are a monster as town, Mac, and that ain't it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:05 pm Can you all just clear me off the NKs though because there's like no fucken world in this game where I use N1 KP on Abi or Michelle and anyone who knows me knows that is true. It's not a slight against them, they are just both entirely unlikely to ever really earnestly trouble me in the way I like to win as a wolf. My KP in this game goes on the likes of Chelsea, Brad, Scotty, Epi and especially Seanzie.

See, Mac, I really, REALLY hate posts along the lines of "this kill makes no sense to come from me!!!!!" and in the majority of cases I've seen this kind of logic come from exactly the wolf who made this kill especially to make people look the other way. Granted, most of these are from Turbo games but starting the day with this kind of angle on the subject is not a good look.

Also hi, I got a few hours before I will be physically unable to post for more or less 24 hours.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:49 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:48 pm Also, it's closing in on midnight at my area so if there's stuff that needs airing, now would be a good time before I head to sleep.
Well, I'm townreading you right now, so I hope that helps you sleep well.

A bit, although my MU meta is usually "almost impossible to misyeet."

Glad we got to a mutual understanding though.

Also, leaving this here since I may otherwise forget about it: On Friday I will be missing a good chunk of the time due to my club's training, and Saturday will be WORSE since I need to be a referee in a town a few hours away by car, so I will have some awkward posting times and holes that I can't do anything about. As a result I will be more or less active on Early and Late-ish D2 but not in-between.

Also, it's closing in on midnight at my area so if there's stuff that needs airing, now would be a good time before I head to sleep.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:43 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:41 pm Hm, I may be biased here of course but what you said makes me keep my townlean.

If he was a wolf and you were town I'd expect him to play just like in these games as to not alarm you of a shift in approach...or at the very least only put a small spin on things.

On the other hand if he was town then him getting snowed twice would very much explain a harsher treatment, as you said himself...at the very least an approach from a "Scotty is wolf before proven otherwise" perspective.

You don't have to answer this if you want to keep your posts left-over but your explanation that you gave just now makes me lean the opposite way.
Previous games with Scotty have not once crossed my mind until he brought them up. They were basically forgotten.

Hm, okay.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:39 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:15 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Why is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Don't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.

Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Are you familiar with his meta?
No, unless Scotty has an MU account that I am unaware of.
He probably does, but that's beside the point. Scotty and JJJ and Mac are the three players that come to mind when I think of those that can aggressively take control of a thread in a very townlike way, and it really works because they can do, and have done, that as Town as well. Just saying, it's in his skill set, as he himself told you earlier in the game.

Hmmmm... yeah, this makes sense, also taking in what Scotty just said.

I personally play from a "town until proven otherwise" perspective but I understand where you are coming from, especially if the last few games had exactly that kind of gameplay from a w!Scotty.

I have to say though, looking at the game as a whole I don't think that any player, period, has tried to take over "thread control" by themselves. Which is definitely weird in a way that I've never seen a game unfold like this before. Like, both Mac and Scotty have tried to push players/give reads/make statements but I don't see a strong "convincing" force from anyone yet.

...I guess me asking for people not to vote Scotty may have been the strongest statement in that regard yet, lol.

Hm, I may be biased here of course but what you said makes me keep my townlean.

If he was a wolf and you were town I'd expect him to play just like in these games as to not alarm you of a shift in approach...or at the very least only put a small spin on things.

On the other hand if he was town then him getting snowed twice would very much explain a harsher treatment, as you said himself...at the very least an approach from a "Scotty is wolf before proven otherwise" perspective.

You don't have to answer this if you want to keep your posts left-over but your explanation that you gave just now makes me lean the opposite way.

I'm also still very much open to hoisting "man posting signposts instead of proper reads and then dipping for most of the phase", and having a player still at zero posts this late into the phase just blows, period.

[VOTE: sig ] aubergine

I know it's not sexy but I really struggle with the earlier post I pointed out. It's... not good.

Seeing Abi and Scotty vote there as well is appreciated.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Why is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Don't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.

Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Oh yeah well can he do this?

Didn’t think so.
STORY TIME

this is hilarious because of how pertinent it is.
When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher do an exercise with the class: if we could show that we could roll our tongue, we could get a candy bar as a reward. I was the ONLY kid who couldn’t roll their tongue, and then was asked to step outside for a time. It felt so unfair and dehumanizing as i sat outside the classroom crying as the kids inside got their candy. Eventually the teacher came out to let me in after some time marinating and announced that the purpose of this was to show the unfairness of real life with situations out of your control.

Fun times

So no, I can’t do that.

Being a teacher of almost-adults this story still reads appalling to me. Also, I can't do that either.

Scotty, what are your thoughts on how Long Con is approaching you? I feel like it's towny but also a bit tunnel-y.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pm @LanMisa I'm talking about this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:19 pm I think there's a good chance I'll get bored, go missing almost the whole day and return EOD to either see a large wagon on me or lead away from wolf to a mislynch.
That’s your …. Civilian meta, is it not?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Remind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?
Scotty, I'd ask yo to tell me how this isn't you drawing opposite conclusion about the same Creature behaviour, but you seem to have squandered your posts, so I don't expect you to engage with me too much at this time. But, this is just noticeably off.

I believe Scotty about mistaking Lime and Creature especially since the first post clearly doesn't try to go anywhere deep. It reads NAI to me.

(I am not at all biased due to me always and constantly mixing up names and players all the time....no siree!!)

On a different note I feel like I get more into your head in this conversation that we are having right now and I feel more positive about you and your approach in general, even though I disagree with the premise that you come to.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:15 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Why is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.
Don't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.

Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.
Are you familiar with his meta?

No, unless Scotty has an MU account that I am unaware of.

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:11 pm actually just realized my way of reading people prolly sucks when it comes to 3p hunting and there's one of those in this game iirc
oh well potential problem for future manny

I usually just hope that wolves take care of that for us eventually and/or we kill Mafia quick enough to have enough time in late-game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:11 pm Someone go to Scotty’s iso and ctrl+f LanMisa and tell me you see anything that looks like Scotty evaluating LanMisa’s alignment or vice versa. I don’t see anything.

I’d quote a bunch of shit to show it but I’m on mobile.

Scotty squarely has me as 3P or town, I have no idea what you are talking about here...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Come talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?
I'm still backreading.

Regarding your entrance, you made rhyming one-liners and sold them as reads which means that a) we live in a bizarro-world where this is actual gameplay, b) your mind works in mysterious ways that are impossible for me to reach or c) it's a gimmick and as I expressed on other occasions I am not a fan of gimmicks.

If there was anything else I missed it, if there are more things after your coming back I will get to them soon.

I don't think that Lime has posted much since I went to bed yesterday so I mostly try to solve Lime based off on how people more familiar read Lime that I trust, like trying to figure out Creature's read.
I didn't make any rhymes. I just said "brad" a bunch of times, mostly with the word "something" somehow scattered in there.

It is actual gameplay, and if you don't understand it (which I don't blame you for, it wasn't really meant to be understood by others) I'd recommend asking me what I'm doing rather than just taking it for granted. You didn't ask, but... here it is:

Lime is someone that I feel I have a reasonably strong read on, and can figure them out quickly based on how they interact with me. I have caught him dead-to-rights rather quickly in the past, and so me pressuring him, even without anything specific, is a way I can get a handle on his alignment. If you don't understand what I'm doing, that is of little consequence to me since I was not concerned with people's read on me, but with my own reads. This makes little sense coming from Wolf!Seanzie, and total sense from town!Seanzie.

On the flipside, wolf!Seanzie never goes after Brad first. I've snowed Brad in pretty much every game I've been mafia while he is town. He sometimes suspects me late game, but usually that is only when it is too late (i.e. when I stop caring about how he sees me), or because it becomes mech-locked that him and I are a diff check. You could actually probably accurately tell if I'm scum in a game with town!Brad because at some point town!Brad will say something like "I really don't understand what's going on this game" or "I'm have no idea what direction we should go in". It makes no sense for wolf!Seanzie to go guns-blazing at lime out the gate like that.

First of all, I like the last few posts I saw towards me and while being aware that this may well be a pocketing attempt I don't feel like voting you anymore right now. Consider my vote off of you in spirit while I am thinking about where I want to go next.

Second, I obviously cannot confirm any of your self-meta here so unless someone else chimes in I can't do too much with it here so I am more interested in the reads you have.

Regarding Lime, since I saw exactly the opposite stance from, for example Creature, do you feel like you have seen some aspects of that "giving up" attitude in Lime's posts or is this solely based on the complete activity drop? Seeing that both of you seem to have rather strong stances I'm trying to figure out what to make of them as a result so I'd appreciate some more feedback.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:48 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Why is Scotty a top townread? Like ya’lls back and forth is softball af. Like you’re both just assuming the other is town, which looks kinda gross.

Don't think I need to tread that water once more but Scotty actually does some solid aggro and solving. His approach to the game is quite appreciated.

Haven't seen you do half the stuff he's done so far.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:02 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:01 pm And yet, he expressed the opposite sentiment earlier. Did you see my post on that?
I may have missed it/forgotten about it, doing math for hours on end can do that to you. I'll get back to you.

Okay, Long Con, I think I found what you meant, but unless I am confusing something here the timeline is (in my local time):

1) 8.16PM: Scotty asks Creature about how he plays, putting some pressure

2) 8.49PM: Scotty expresses that what Creature has done so far are enough for a D1 pass.

I don't see the issue here, unless you mean a different third post from Scotty.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:01 pm And yet, he expressed the opposite sentiment earlier. Did you see my post on that?

I may have missed it/forgotten about it, doing math for hours on end can do that to you. I'll get back to you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:58 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:57 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:13 pm My most solid town reads are all on Sean though so I might just join the wagon.

I can’t get any blame if they’re civ though and i want all the credit if they’re mafia
This is an oof post regardless of Sean's alignment. Thoughts?
Yeah, I would prefer to see a post about his own suspicions, even with a solo vote on someone, than that.

My first thought was "This is a wolfy post that lets me hop on an already established wagon without me having to explain much" but the read also feels very much level 0.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:54 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Remind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?
What is this softball crap? You think he's going to roll over for you??
Sir, have you played with Creature before? Creature can peform a lot better as a wolf than he used to, but... there is a strong difference still in my eyes.
Ok, that's fine.

My point was that that's a wolfy-ass question to be asking someone at all. Creature talks about how he's Day 1 slanking and Scotty queries "Is slanking, by chance, a Wolf trait you might have?"

What answer do you expect from the guy? "AH geez, yeah, you caught me. I am a Wolf. Oh damn, wait, why didn't I just lie?"

That's why I called it a softball question. You ask someone if they're a wolf, and they're going to give an answer that makes it seem like they're not a wolf. Why ask?

Okay, I do see your point, but... to me asking for someone's meta (especially with others around to confirm or deny it) just feels like a conversation starter to me. I have definitely asked other players I am unfamiliar with about their meta before.

It also sounded more like "I feel like you are behaving in a way I heard you play as a wolf", as a way of putting pressure.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:13 pm My most solid town reads are all on Sean though so I might just join the wagon.

I can’t get any blame if they’re civ though and i want all the credit if they’re mafia

This is an oof post regardless of Sean's alignment. Thoughts?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:49 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:38 pm [VOTE: SEANZIE] aubergine. Gonna settle here. I’ve got like 13 more posts or so before I cap so I guess I’ll be more picky for rest of day
isnt day ending in like 5-6 hours?
Yes, however I have lots of shit to do beforehand and I only have a few posts left.

Seanzie is a fine vote based on how he’s come back. Obviously I no longer town read him.

I am unsure about the mac vote only because someone once said max shouldn’t be voted D1 because he’s a very strong town player when he’s town, and we can figure him out when he’s wolf. I don’t see him wolfy here. I think in hindsight he brought up an original point about me making some questionable pushes as a town leader.

Sig is still fine as a vote too. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from playing with sig over the years, when he’s overtly wolfy, he’s usually town, and if he’s making sense and towny in thread, he’s evil. I’m seeing more of the latter here.

Not feeling a Lime Coke or Creature vote either.

Manny is liiiiight town for me, despite others like Michelle saying he’s self conscious and in his head. He’s sorta shruggy and while I don’t know his game, I think it’s fine-looking.

Not sure if this is Mac's playbook as a wolf and I didn't notice it myself (must have overlooked it), but posts like these can undermine town leaders from following the right agenda.

I guess I need to read back and get a feel of the context of the statement itself.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja
Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.
Come talk to me. What is so "meh" about my entrance? How have things changed? What do you think of Lime now?

I'm still backreading.

Regarding your entrance, you made rhyming one-liners and sold them as reads which means that a) we live in a bizarro-world where this is actual gameplay, b) your mind works in mysterious ways that are impossible for me to reach or c) it's a gimmick and as I expressed on other occasions I am not a fan of gimmicks.

If there was anything else I missed it, if there are more things after your coming back I will get to them soon.

I don't think that Lime has posted much since I went to bed yesterday so I mostly try to solve Lime based off on how people more familiar read Lime that I trust, like trying to figure out Creature's read.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:16 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:07 am Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature
Actually I am a lot more prone to do that as town. As a wolf I am worried that's gonna draw too much attention to me and I'd rather just jump into game solving instead.

I have good reasons to be complaining about people voting me for going inactive, because that happened an awful lot of times for me on Syndicate. I am rarely ever mislynched (as town) in MU, but I get mislynched quite a lot here even when I spend the entire day defending myself and arguing for another lynch.
Remind me if I’m wrong, but don’t you dislike rolling wolf and slank off with those rolls?
What is this softball crap? You think he's going to roll over for you??

Sir, have you played with Creature before? Creature can peform a lot better as a wolf than he used to, but... there is a strong difference still in my eyes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:41 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lolninja

Could you guys, like, NOT vote for one of my top townreads? We can still throw in later phases if we get too bored by the game, starting so on D1 feels suboptimal.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:41 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:06 pm Okay, managed to catch up properly. Thoughts so far:

Townreads: Chelsea, Scotty

Both had strong openings, don't shy away from making waves and throwing out reads early, both feel inquisitive and mindful

Slight townleans: Abigail, Michelle
Abigail had some volume that I consider "empty" but also one banger reads list. I kinda agree that wolves don't seem to have a lot of thread presence yet since I townread all the players who made waves so far.

Michelle feels towny in tone and approach as well but it has been ages since I had meaningful games with Michelle so I am not quite up to date on how to read her.

Neutral: Lime, Creature
Lime had the slight issue in my eyes that I felt like he was mostly going for the "everyone is happiness" approach, a strategy I like to do in uninspired wolf games that can come from TMI and a lack of easy pushes. I disliked the "forcing townreads" stuff. I don't have any direct issue with a single post though, so... we'll see where this goes.

Creature has a NAI Creature opening so far but as per usual I will roast you over the fiery pit if I don't get to see at least SOME reads and gameplay-related posts before the end of the phase - THIS is usually what makes Creature obvious, whether his whining gets backed up by an attempt of participation - or not.

Worrisome: Manny, seanzie, Dunnstral
Manny feels less energetic than I'd thought I'd see him play in a game with several of the people he himself recruited. I do have a potential explanation on why he'd play the way he does (at least if this could be compared to MU games) but... I honestly hoped to find Manny early D1 and just chill, which is not the case.

Dunnstral has had a lot of posts but nothing so far managed to stick with me. If someone else knows how to read Dunn I'm all ears, but from experience this is something that's either wolf indicative - or a clash of playstyle/personal tiredness.

seanzie had a lot of nothing paired with a long period of absence, and as I said earlier it's the one take from Scotty that I disagree with, so far.

Rest of the crowd didn't leave an impression enough to be on this list yet.
I think this post looks good for LanMisa?

They're pretty spot on about my meta as I tend to react pretty differently when I come back into the thread after having nearly no content. Though, maybe saying that before testing me first comes up as a bit unnecessary?

Anyway, I mostly agree with the Seanzie wolfread.

I dunno about Manny being less energetic meaning anything for them. Perhaps they just got the highposting fatigue from other games.

Actually maybe the most concerning thing about this list is that reads feel mostly consensus, except that Lime Coke wasn't instatownread here.

My apologies for being boring. Then again, I became a Math teacher for a reason.

Since I saw you have a strong stance on Brad and me not having too much in terms of past experience that comes to mind: Why do you townread Lime for the post Lime did? In a way I get it since it reminded me of your doomposts but in my eyes that's hardly a good reason to read someone off.

Back end of P13, Creature reads very solidly town and this is more or less exactly what I said earlier this phase. Mix of real reads/interactions and talks about why/how he doesn't play more is Creature's town meta from my understanding, whereas doomposting and refusing to make statements are more likely him being a wolf.

Saw a few Seanzie posts but not enough yet to make up my mind, I assume there are more to come though?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:17 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:07 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:07 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:32 am I dunno what to do to generate discussion but I do think it's necessary here
Not really, let the players to catch up, the post cap is a real blessing for busy players.

If you want to ask anything, just do it, otherwise a silent thread it's not a bad one per se.
A silent thread benefits only wolfs
Or the ones of us who are busy with life as well and only got time to glance a look on occasion!

While I do understand the statement....what do you think the issue is, here? Are the wolves the low-/no-posting players? Are wolves in the middle and just content with the status quo? Are the wolves top-posters who run out of stuff to say due to the higher number of barely-shows?

I personally don't think that this game is in danger yet due to the heavy emphasis on mechanics, as far as I can tell; I've also been in games where too many posts ended up drowning out the really important discussions and nobody backread the clusterfuck of pages which ALSO heavily helped wolves. I'd personally love to see a few more interactions from the low-posters but... many other players feel rather readable already. But maybe that's just me.
This forum has a massive activity problem that leads to easy wolf wins you can not convince me otherwise and it is one of the reasons I'm convinced town win rates on the syndicate are an atrocity lately

Fair enough, I haven't played a game there before so I can't speak about that kind of experience. There are definitely a lot of slots whose low posting will make sorting a chore unless something changes. Then again as someone who got burned out in the past from the high posting requirements MU culture brings with it can see joy in playing a more laid-back game now and then... with the emphasis on play.

Sorry about my absence btw, I got a bit into a work frenzy I guess. Good news is that I am 2/3 done with my project and well on time to get it done by Friday as I had promised my students. Gonna read back for a bit.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:07 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:43 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:32 am I dunno what to do to generate discussion but I do think it's necessary here
Not really, let the players to catch up, the post cap is a real blessing for busy players.

If you want to ask anything, just do it, otherwise a silent thread it's not a bad one per se.
A silent thread benefits only wolfs

Or the ones of us who are busy with life as well and only got time to glance a look on occasion!

While I do understand the statement....what do you think the issue is, here? Are the wolves the low-/no-posting players? Are wolves in the middle and just content with the status quo? Are the wolves top-posters who run out of stuff to say due to the higher number of barely-shows?

I personally don't think that this game is in danger yet due to the heavy emphasis on mechanics, as far as I can tell; I've also been in games where too many posts ended up drowning out the really important discussions and nobody backread the clusterfuck of pages which ALSO heavily helped wolves. I'd personally love to see a few more interactions from the low-posters but... many other players feel rather readable already. But maybe that's just me.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:14 am Thread needs to be less dead

I mean, it's early morning in Europe, the Americans are asleep and we have quite a few low-posters, including a non-poster.

Any thoughts on the game that differ a lot from your earlier reads list? Something you want to discuss? Or do you have something to help me figure out the players I am unsure of as of now?

If you want to discuss a few things right now let me know, otherwise I'll go do some work for school. Promised my students to prepare a...well, basically a document detailing the most important functionalities of their calculators in preparation for the big exams coming up.

Okay, I did some catch-up with the night posts, here are my thoughts:

- Mac is... giving me mixed vibes. Similar to Scotty and Chelsea he came in with a strong push/approach, but... it feels a bit different. More aggressive and destructive instead of productive? I'm not sure if this is just a tonal thing since he did come around changing stances on Manny as far as I can tell AND he also looked in more than one way (like at Scotty and me, not just at Manny), but... I dunno, I will have to let it simmer for a bit longer.

- I did read Mac's post on this type of play apparently being Epi's regular M.O. and I will take your word for it, especially since Scotty also backed it up. I do hope to see more explanation for reads on the billboards as well and... well, I said what I had to say about gimmicks.

- Not sure if Seanzie had given a reason as for why they can't play more but them not coming back after what I consider a very meh opening is a bad look in my eyes.

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

- Sig had a weird entrance and I need to reread it a bit later with more clarity in mind. Long Con jumping immediately on these posts for readbuilding instead of all the other pages with more meaningful interactions has been noted. Long Con, would you say that you prefer real-time interactions over backreading, or what else made you focus on these things especially?

- I see Dunnstral posting but the posts still don't stick in my mind and I wonder if that's a me thing. Definitely on the reread pile.

- Abigail quoting my earlier impression post of hers but not my townread(s) on her is making me sad.

Since Chelsea asked: I don't know how to read either Dunn or Jack, only played with Jack in mashes from what I remember and I left figuring out my fellow SMT enjoyer to the crowd, usually.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:45 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:30 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:26 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:23 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:19 pm [VOTE: No Vote] aubergine

Trying out the system and its features here for a bit, just ignore me for a bit.

What is a sarcasm filter?

Also, what is dead text?
I don’t really want to be using post cap posts to explain, but it’s fine.

There’s a bevy of options up there that really are situational to the game. In the before times, us old farts didn’t use to post off topic without using the OT button. Sarcastic orange to imply sarcasm, pedantic to imply pedantic-ism (w/e the noun of that is). Nowadays, we just…post. Be free.

Dead players used to be able to post off topic in dead red. That’s still a host preference. We don’t customarily do that much anymore

Oh, that YouTubeHD code button doesn’t work. YouTube videos can just be posted and they’ll appear as normal
Ah, yeah, thanks for your explanation! But I agree, save your posts, I will just figure out stuff on the fly eventually.

Back to the regular game, is there some player or interaction that you felt needs to be looked into a bit further? I saw you having a negative opinion of Michelle so far which I don't have so maybe this is something you want to get back to me about at some point?
Michelle is coming around with her posts. It was late for her in the starting parts of this phase since she lives on the moon and her time zone is 84 hours ahead. Plus, the absolute townreading maelstrom of everyone else just tells me I’m probably just wrong with my initial impression.

Michelle is probably more of a towncore *because* of how wrong I am in comparison to others tbh
That's fair. I know that Michelle can be quite a competent wolf but I don't see it so far.

I also just in general like HOW you come around with your reads and make adjustments. Like, not the fact that you do it, but the how and the why. I'm very solid on you being town now.
Buttering me up, eh?

Just so you know, I’m generally more suspicious of those that townread me more than scum read me. I’ll let you pocket me for now. But I might want to put you in the 3p more firmly than town atm lol

I know this looks like it is addressed to you more directly but it's rather me trying to explain to others why I think that you are town and to have others follow my read. In my opinion the exchange best exemplified what I townread about your play.

(Maybe it feels silly to you to drop a townread on someone who's not in immediate contention but from experience these kinds of reads come more in handy in the long run, especially if games get tough and the former towncore starts to crumble away.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:00 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:00 pm If I may make a post about something unrelated:

Earlier today I was at school to get some stuff done and for no good reason apart from "I felt like it" I went into the room where in two weeks my students will write a big exam and that had been prepared last Friday by other teachers since the exam will be in the morning straight after the school reopens.

Only to notice that two desks and two chairs were missing, which would have ended up with two students not having a place to sit during the exam. And/or frantic re-arrangement of stuff in a hurry directly before the exam was supposed to take place.

...I obviously took care of that immediately. Damn, what a lucky break for us, this could have gotten nasty otherwise.

You got dedication, I give you that.

From my experience in other games gimmick posters often (not always, but more than 50% of the time) turned out to be wolves hiding behind the gimmick so... I'll keep my eyes on you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:33 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:30 pm Based on these posts I am seeing or some prior magic townposting?
Prior wall that i think is out of wolfrange for him based on my notion of his wolfgame, although i think his current realtiming is ~fine too just not as townie.
Okay and so why would you not just say that instead of implying that I have a skill issue based on the current posting when the "evidence" of his alignment is clearly not in the realtime posting I was referring to.

Also Scotty read?

Also LanMisa was the one among you that I felt the least bad about frankly.

Me, thinking about my "better students" in one of my classes.

I'm confident that you will fully come around on me eventually.

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