The Syndicate

Then again the same is true in an F5 and even more so, so... rock and a hard place I guess.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:00 pm if we sleep here and i die tonight, y'all are forbidden from voting Lan ftr.

You need at least four people to vote with you to force through a vote here, Manny, and even then it's risky since both Mafia could last second switch if one is bussing and at least one town votes wrongly. I'd love to end things here and now but I feel like it is unwise to go for it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:57 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:41 pm Like those kills happened because

1) There is at least one wolf in Dunn/Manny/Lan. You (LanMisa) are utterly rejecting this possibility. Fine.

2) There are no wolves in that group and the wolves want the town to think there is for a misyeet ftw.

Since you must think we’re in world 2, you should be looking at players trying to shade Manny/Dunn/Lan. There’s Chelsea. Okay. But where is her partner pushing this agenda and where are there townies falling for it?

You need to remember that Mafia had no way of knowing that their "easy" misyeet targets in TSP and Creature would go "poof" overnight. I assume Mafia thought that killing Mac would result in enough chaos to skate by another day and then go for either of the two to finish the game. My guess is that Mafia are potentially panicked and scrambling right now - despite town being smaller their road to victory just got a lot narrower.

So there's only two ways of breaking out: Expanding the circle of potential misyeets, or go into panic mode and do nothing/hope that the villager out of the remaining three non-towncore members dies

From the three of you, Lime seemed to be stuck in panic mode and not doing much, unless I misread him earlier. You and Chelsea seem to be doing the first, like with questioning all of Manny, Dunn and me.

Funny thing is, Chelsea felt truly frustrated earlier so of the three of you I townlean her more. You... seemed to be mostly skating by all game as far as I can tell. And now you start to become active?

Well I didn’t think of that cause I’m not a wolf.

Yeah, you didn't think about it since you didn't really care about whether your perspective makes sense or not.

I see a paragon of virtue here. Locktown, Jack. Whatever made me question that earlier?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:56 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:44 pm I don’t want to sleep cause I think Manny is more likely than average to vote a wolf in lylo

In that case it falls to Manny to make a decision on whether to yeet or to sleep.

I laid out earlier why Sleeping puts me into an awkward position with this no majority no locked votes setup with a 3AM EOD but... it's a game, ultimately.

Have you considered amphetamines?

Yes, but then I also considered "living a healthy life"

Admittedly, I am currently failing on that front as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:54 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:39 pm The kills are like the key fucking thing.

Wolf you loses nothing by making those kills. They aren’t making you more likely to be yeeted. 0% chance -> 0% chance.

Wolf Jack absolutely fucks himself making those kills unless I’m teamed with Dunn or you.

I'd think I'd be aware of the former...I have no idea what your point is with regards to that.

Also, why would these kills undermine your position? I don't think that anyone apart from Mac and Chelsea and TSP have talked about you lots the whole game yet. Honestly, the way you kept fading into the background of everyone's reads makes me feel like any kill would make sense from your direction: Everyone ignored you in a similar vein from what I could tell.

Because wolf Jack can more easily take control with a bigger poe.

Like let’s say you’re right and it’s me and Chelsea. Let’s say I wanna misyeet Lime. What if Manny or Dunn, who I have claimed to townread and who are basically lock town for most players, come out naysaying those yeets? I can’t push them and frame it as a wolf protecting their partner. Nobody is gonna just start a lucky wagon on those players. I have locked myself into a world where I have to misyeet Lime (who Chelsea lol refuses to vote for).

Like really? Wtf are wolf Jack and wolf Chelsea even trying to do here?

If we shot Dunn and Manny instead, we now have two additional “misyeet” options, LC and Mac. I don’t have to deal with widely townread people derailing my pushes and town is way tf more likely to just push incorrectly because the poe is like 2 wolves and 3 non wolves instead of 2 wolves and 1 townie.

You've been questioning me all game and Chelsea did her best to undermine me towards Manny earlier as well. C'mon, it's not rocket science what is going on here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:44 pm I don’t want to sleep cause I think Manny is more likely than average to vote a wolf in lylo

In that case it falls to Manny to make a decision on whether to yeet or to sleep.

I laid out earlier why Sleeping puts me into an awkward position with this no majority no locked votes setup with a 3AM EOD but... it's a game, ultimately.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:41 pm Like those kills happened because

1) There is at least one wolf in Dunn/Manny/Lan. You (LanMisa) are utterly rejecting this possibility. Fine.

2) There are no wolves in that group and the wolves want the town to think there is for a misyeet ftw.

Since you must think we’re in world 2, you should be looking at players trying to shade Manny/Dunn/Lan. There’s Chelsea. Okay. But where is her partner pushing this agenda and where are there townies falling for it?

You need to remember that Mafia had no way of knowing that their "easy" misyeet targets in TSP and Creature would go "poof" overnight. I assume Mafia thought that killing Mac would result in enough chaos to skate by another day and then go for either of the two to finish the game. My guess is that Mafia are potentially panicked and scrambling right now - despite town being smaller their road to victory just got a lot narrower.

So there's only two ways of breaking out: Expanding the circle of potential misyeets, or go into panic mode and do nothing/hope that the villager out of the remaining three non-towncore members dies

From the three of you, Lime seemed to be stuck in panic mode and not doing much, unless I misread him earlier. You and Chelsea seem to be doing the first, like with questioning all of Manny, Dunn and me.

Funny thing is, Chelsea felt truly frustrated earlier so of the three of you I townlean her more. You... seemed to be mostly skating by all game as far as I can tell. And now you start to become active?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:39 pm The kills are like the key fucking thing.

Wolf you loses nothing by making those kills. They aren’t making you more likely to be yeeted. 0% chance -> 0% chance.

Wolf Jack absolutely fucks himself making those kills unless I’m teamed with Dunn or you.

I'd think I'd be aware of the former...I have no idea what your point is with regards to that.

Also, why would these kills undermine your position? I don't think that anyone apart from Mac and Chelsea and TSP have talked about you lots the whole game yet. Honestly, the way you kept fading into the background of everyone's reads makes me feel like any kill would make sense from your direction: Everyone ignored you in a similar vein from what I could tell.

[VOTE: Sleep ] aubergine

I don't think that this is the way to go here, but...leaving votes lying around in a situation where Mafia controls ties mechanically is a dumb idea. Either we consolidate on someone or we sleep.

Apparently both my parents only got hit hard by the sickness on their third or fourth day which in my case would be tomorrow, so... in case I really get issues and need to skip a day/need someone to take over it feels unsound to keep voting here, even if I am 95% certain Jack's just solved by POE here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:28 pm Honestly, @LanMisa wtf does a Jack/Lime or a Jack/Chelsea team EVER make those nightkills?

As far as I can tell, every single player who died during the night phases had me as lock town or close to it - ignoring TSP who was clearly Mac's kill.

Why would I shoot myself in the foot by launching players like Scotty or Seanzie like that? Or Michelle/Abigail?

What good does it do me to end the Chelsea/Mac argument by killing Mac there? If I was a wolf it would be the easiest MYLO win of my life to just leave them fighting by killing, I don't know, Dunnstral or Manny. Watch town burn itself to the ground.

The night kills have been confusing and weird as heck all game; I guess that Scotty was a normal one and that Sean was copped, but the rest? I feel like wolves intentionally just tried to spread as much chaos around as they possibly could with no sense or reasoning apart from that.

Ergo, I don't think that the kills point to anyone, but they likewise don't point away FROM anyone, either.

But I guess you can tell me post-game why you guys killed them the way you did.

Funnily enough, the "decide the tie" vote also means that if we DO get a tie and a wolf flips the game is mechanically on auto.

I'd advise against that strategy since that would require us to exactly same-wagon both wolves, with us losing in every other scenario.

I feel like right now we keep doing in circles without anything productive coming from it.

I also want to rest a bit more and I definitely need to prepare lessons for tomorrow's classes.

Fun fact: A lot of our teachers got sick so now I (also sick but not on sick leave) got extra work. Fun times.

I want to wait and see what the others have to say. I especially want to weigh in on what Dunn has to say about the situation.

Again, reminder that we A) have a wolf role who decides tied flips and B) nothing in the rules says anything about locked votes in LYLO, so we need to think hard about whether or not we yeet or sleep today, and whom to yeet in the latter case.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:20 pm It feels like you're both being impossible to work with atm for no reason other than stubbornness.

Lan's Buzzwordsoup locktownread on Dunn doesn't help me.

"I've never been wrong on each other" townread doesn't help me.

If this is 3 villagers I am basically being forced into "Vote Brad because we say or lose"

boy what a fun endgame.

Chelsea, if we are three villagers and if you are as well then YES, you ARE forced to vote Brad at some point since that's four villagers not counting Brad and Jack.

I mean, we could always just throw the game and yeet another town instead to round this out properly. My win % is garbage tier anyways.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:14 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:05 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:02 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:01 pm Idk we're never gonna get through this phase if the both of you just keep going "trust" with your reads. The lack of reconsideration is staggering to me is this a site culture thing?

You literally have been locked on Brad town all game, there is no shot u can pull the "no reconsideration" card here lmfao.

I have a question for you, Chelsea:

D1 Brad had nothing but a few players Brad read town, no wolf reads, mostly meandered around. I already commented on that D1.
D2 Brad went into hyper "Chelsea town" mode and did nothing much but ask to be killed (which got people off of killing him) and OMGUSing people pushing you or him.
I don't remember ANYTHING Brad did since then. Admittedly our in-thread times don't overlap much, but still.

So why is Brad the hill you are willing to die on?

Brad went at Sen hard and then basically asked people to get rid of him, yes. I've never seen him do this as a wolf, but I'm not gonna act like he can't. I think his reaction to his dislike of Sen is NAI.

I think Wolf Brad comes in, plays the game a bit more and doesn't have this just overall defeated attitude in his posting because if he is a wolf, he's winning right now he doesn't need to do any of that. If Brad continues to sit here and do nothing I will be voting him on principle because he deserves it. He knows that, I know that. He can come in and solve more than just the posts he's made.

What makes his actions so extremely wolfy to you? Who is the snow getting snowed here? I get you want Jack dead but you can come to an answer on who is the more likely one fooling the other between the two of us we've had many phases to do it.

I don't know how good Brad can wolf but I've shown the most defeatist-ed attitudes as a winning wolf in the past before. Makes others ignore your non-posting. Admittedly, me going long enough in a game that allows for that has been QUITE a while ago (It happened exactly twice: Halloween Anonymous 2019 and Sports Mash 2018) but that's easy enough. Talking about defeatist attitudes though... being in a 3 wolf 2 3P game with only one extra KP could make a player, especially a worse wolf, feel defeatist - especially with a partner like Falcon who's a low-show POE wolf from D2 on, so.. that may match the D2 emotions.

I agree that the Sean thing was personal and had nothing to do with the current game.

Looking at the game right now I feel it likelier for Brad to be the wolf than for you to be one but I always read "solving and making reads/stances" as townier than "disappearing and one-noting". But it's F6 and as you said yourself, this IS the time to re-evaluate.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:14 pm I kinda wanna want it to be me vs chelsea just to see what Brad does.

If you want to gouge for reactions my tip would be not to announce that you gouge for reactions.

I still want to go Jack here first and then go from there. But due to the above I'd want the others to chime in as well, especially Dunnstral once they get back eventually.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:07 pm [VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

If its Jack/Dunn then rip.

Here's something to keep in mind: wolves have a role that decides which player wins or loses in case of an EOD tie. That role hasn't flipped yet.

If we want to eliminate a player before that role flips the wagon needs to be decisive.

And I still think that Lime may very well be the wolf over Chelsea.

Like, I have pointed at multiple great analytical posts from Dunnstral every single phase pointing out their solving and their approach to the game. Look it up if you want to. Dunn just bleds town to me.

I've talked several times about why I think Manny is town here. I had a PR read since D1 on Manny, his claim makes zero sense as a wolf, his whole D3 was towny and I feel like his approach to today makes perfect sense coming from town!Manny and not at all from wolf!Manny who could just bulldoze through a misyeet here as wolf.

I'm not clearing players in this situation lightly.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:02 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:01 pm Idk we're never gonna get through this phase if the both of you just keep going "trust" with your reads. The lack of reconsideration is staggering to me is this a site culture thing?

You literally have been locked on Brad town all game, there is no shot u can pull the "no reconsideration" card here lmfao.

I have a question for you, Chelsea:

D1 Brad had nothing but a few players Brad read town, no wolf reads, mostly meandered around. I already commented on that D1.
D2 Brad went into hyper "Chelsea town" mode and did nothing much but ask to be killed (which got people off of killing him) and OMGUSing people pushing you or him.
I don't remember ANYTHING Brad did since then. Admittedly our in-thread times don't overlap much, but still.

So why is Brad the hill you are willing to die on?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:01 pm Idk we're never gonna get through this phase if the both of you just keep going "trust" with your reads. The lack of reconsideration is staggering to me is this a site culture thing?

Are you talking to an MUer (myself) about site culture on the Syndicate?

I just have an extremely good track record on Manny and that doesn't disappear just because the site may not be my normal one.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:55 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:53 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:51 pm Btw Manny you should know if me and Brad were wolf partners there is no way wolf Brad like

2 posts the past few phases he wouldn't do that to me he'd be out here trying to top post then going to wolf chat like "Hey Chels are you proud of me"

And I'd say yes <3

There's always a first time for everything, but I agree that this is an unlikely pairing.

Why aren't you trying to convince either me or Brad.

The worldview you are presenting is 1 of us is hard snowing each other you should be like, presenting so much evidence right now to each of us saying "hey why do you TR the other etc."

Because what you've shown the game is: 1 lock TR 1 mech clear 1 obv wolf (Jack) and 1 pair that hard TR each other but 1 is a wolf.

If I were you in this world I would be drilling them to hell and back.

I'm still sick and limited and this is not a "today" issue. I'll get back to that in F4.

Regardless of who of you is a wolf Jack has to be one as well so my path for now is rather straightforward: Kill the certain wolf, see how others (including his partner) react to that, kill the other wolf. If there's a "sleep" in-between I am okay with that but that's my road here.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:55 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:52 pm Also, due to the setup I expect no locked votes in LYLO either, since normally you can never be sure WHETHER you are in LYLO or not. That means my voting sucks hard here.

isnt the minimum amount of wolves 3 aka tomorrow will be lylo yes or yes from what i know

It will be but the setup rules clearly state that votes can be changed freely. There's nothing about locked votes. Considering that this game also has no early yeets as well regardless of wagons I am very certain this also applies in LYLO.

What I meant earlier though is that considering the wolf numbers are unknown (well, they are known NOW) you can't usually lock votes in a LYLO situation with 3Ps around. Otherwise you'd give that piece of information away.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:51 pm Btw Manny you should know if me and Brad were wolf partners there is no way wolf Brad like

2 posts the past few phases he wouldn't do that to me he'd be out here trying to top post then going to wolf chat like "Hey Chels are you proud of me"

And I'd say yes <3

There's always a first time for everything, but I agree that this is an unlikely pairing.

If you guys force through a sleep I will not object, but I feel like it's pointless. Manny dies (or Dunn) and we are back at where we are today.

Also, due to the setup I expect no locked votes in LYLO either, since normally you can never be sure WHETHER you are in LYLO or not. That means my voting sucks hard here.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:44 pm Quite frankly if there is no chance of a mafia 2nd KP I would strongly prefer to sleep and see Manny die

There should be none; unless both extra kills came from Long Con/Mac in some way Mafia has at most one extra KP all game (three roles, one flipped KP-less, one is known and also KP-less, last one is the KP and RB since Manny was blocked)

Not counting Creature and TSP who both must have been Mac's ignites.

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:43 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:36 pm 1) Sleeping does nothing for us here. With an alive PR in Manny the NK will change nothing about our current situation and with votes not being locked it just removes one more town vote on our side.

This logic doesnt apply because im not actually mech-clear, and there's is some degree of doubt about wether im town or not, so seeing the NK is actual information.

Manny, I don't want to be mean to you, but I know your notoriety as a busser on MU and the way you did that claim on D2 never comes from wolf!you in that situation, not in a 100 games. That's not part of your playbook.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:42 am Can we carry on with the mass claim?

Considering how many PRs died (half of that by yeet - what the fuck are we smoking this game) this won't amount to anything. I'm VT, but that's obviously what every single left alive wolf will claim as well.

Also, considering my time zone, my lack of being awake at the end of phases, school starting again and me still feeling sick (with a chance of things worsening over the next few days) I get reminded why I am the liability both 3P and Mafia kept alive to drag them into endgame.

Sorry for being late to the party, I'm still trying to recover from my sickness with school re-starting tomorrow and me not wanting to take off a day for that.

Looked at the flips and nothing else yet. Here's my thoughts on the current status quo:

1) Sleeping does nothing for us here. With an alive PR in Manny the NK will change nothing about our current situation and with votes not being locked it just removes one more town vote on our side.
2) I stand by Manny being mech clear (see above). I have no idea why Mafia killed Mac over Manny but with both 3Ps revealed and my point of Manny's reveal on Falcon being mega towny still standing there's nothing to doubt about it left.
3) I also strongly believe that Dunn has, by far, shown the towniest approach to the game by FAR. I'm not going to waver on that read - I am not THAT bad at finding town as to err that much, not even with a headache and reduced energy.

Ergo, the last wolves are among Chelsea, Lime and Jack.

4) I...find it hard to believe Chelsea and Lime would act the way they did as a wolf pair, considering how extremely partnered they'd be from basically Day 1. I'm not saying it's impossible but Lime putting Chelsea on the spot as Lime did makes zero sense to me, please correct me if I'm wrong here or if you've seen Lime do something like that in the past before. I am currently debating between
4a) Wolf Lime hard shielded/TMI'd Chelsea at the beginning of the game, then couldn't backtrack from this read and doubled down on it, potentially to frame Chelsea as a partner if they were ever to go down. This WOULD align with Lime's D2 of semi self sacrifice - tie another town player to yourself to buy wolves another day and a free lunch.
4b) Wolf Chelsea just ran with her free town shield Lime for all the game, laid low, helped kill villagers at time (if I remember Mac's posts correctly) and just lived out the aggro from Mac knowing he'd die for it eventually. It left her in a spot where she could survive for phases without anyone questioning her survival, without her becoming a 3P target either.

I'm not sold on which of these two worlds we live in yet though. It leads me to my last conclusion though:

5) Since I don't think Chelsea and Lime are paired it more or less outs Jack as the second remaining Mafia.

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:32 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:00 pm I think I lined it out earlier but the worst possible scenario for tomorrow is a 3/3/1 scenario, best possible one would be 6/1/1 or 6/2/0. This setup is weird.

isnt best scenario actually 5-2-1
there's two 3p's guaranteed afaik
miss-exe means uh 4-2-1 and then nk makes it 3-2-1 which is not game over but

We still don't know if there's three or four Mafia. Not even sure what the correct balance would be here, but assuming that both 3P are by nature anti-town (and not just by choice) then I guess that a 13v3v2 may be more reasonable than a 12v4v2.

Then again I have never played here so what do I know about Syndicate setups?

Regardless, best case would be a 3P/Mafia elim in a three Mafia world, worst case a miselim in a four Mafia world, and we could land anywhere between which makes strategizing around it hard.

I also feel like I talk too much about mechanics rather than the game but I am still feeling pretty poor and don't have the power to backread or ISO much.

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:35 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:34 pm Manny, I think I will need you to decide at some point and I will follow your vote unless it completely contradicts mine. I don't know if I will be able to make a coherent enough thought in a few hours, I already feel like becoming dumber by the second.

notlikethis i dont want RESPONSABILITY it makes me wanna play it safe and just kill the perma-null slot that is Epi
instead of doing productive stuff like resolving mac/chelsea.

It also doesnt help that Brad and Creature are doing -1 and thats prolly rand!w for both but i doubt both of them are wolves and i wouldnt be shocked if for some god forsaken reason both were town.
Also Mac stopped giving a fuck about solving and doing stuff this day the second his wagon disappeared which makes me want him dead too zzzz

I kinda wanna kill Chelsea and if she flips town just yeet Mac/TSP/Jack in that order but that doesnt work if this is mylo.

My apologies, but I didn't ask to be sick, and with school starting next week it's about the worst possible timing.

I could see Lime, I still don't see Creature as a potential Falcon partner.

I think I lined it out earlier but the worst possible scenario for tomorrow is a 3/3/1 scenario, best possible one would be 6/1/1 or 6/2/0. This setup is weird.

Yeah, I feel like my mind is starting to become sluggish, I think I may be getting fever-ish.

Manny, I think I will need you to decide at some point and I will follow your vote unless it completely contradicts mine. I don't know if I will be able to make a coherent enough thought in a few hours, I already feel like becoming dumber by the second.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:09 pm I can't vote TSP really. He's been siding with me too much and with my placement I can't afford to nuke an ally.

If TSP is a wolf (and I still think that he could be) then you voting him out would massively improve your standing and more or less clear you though? I don't quite understand that take.

...Yeah, I am officially not feeling great.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:51 pm My n1s if you and Brad were town would have been you and Brad. I absolutely assure you of this. I'd have overruled anyone trying to kill Abi and Michelle and laughed at them. You're both dead n1 if I'm mafia.

Do you think I am just hard snowing Brad because I "know how to pocket him?" I'm not saying I've sat here and had a perfect read record I would've been pushing Scotty if they were alive I'm still shocked they were town tbh.

But I don't get how you can come into today, see everything going on and vote me when the Scotty NK points to like, exactly Jack/Dunn

Okay, I don't get the orange bit. How does a Scotty kill imply either one of them? The way I see it Scotty was widely townread if you ignore your own perspective for a second, and Scotty also had softed PR yesterday via his "there may be more PRs in the game" post.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:41 pm I kinda wanna say that it would be easier to get votes on epi if epi was villa but i dont know how much i believe that

Epi's "issue" is that everyone has Epi as a complete null which helps not getting voted over people we perceive as bigger threats.

...Then again, being completely neutral is a position for wolves to thrive in; nobody wonders why they keep surviving, nobody actively tries to gun them down either.

Epi also doesn't seem to have any agenda (or goal) though, so... if Epi's a wolf Epi's quite good at surviving but rather ineffective in spreading the wolf agenda

If we don't have any better idea by EOD I would not be opposed to an Epi yeet but I stand with Mac that Epi's a complete null where them flipping town wouldn't shock me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:39 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:32 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:38 pm I don't quite understand this train of thought and please don't lose focus, Manny, we really don't have much wiggle room here.

Yeeting Mac is easier than yeeting Chels in this gamestate therefore if i want to avoid risks in order i just kill chelsea first and Mac tomorrow.
In the world of w!Mac i can just sit and do nothing though which is why this day is annoying and i just wanna kill the obvious 3p epi, and incase they dont flip 3p they prolly flip wolf which is also good.

I think Epi is much more of a coin flip and I presently think he's very unlikely mafia because of his vote positioning at eod1.

When mafia are under no threat they usually don't end the day voting side by side on a town c/w. It's just a probability pattern. Obviously I've seen it happen but it's very >rand likely unpairing for him and Falcon to be voting together on Seanzie with me as two wolves.

The other wolves are likely spread across wagons.

Epi is also just far more in his townrange with this play than someone else would be. He's de facto retired from mafia and just plays for keks more or less.

Do you mean "side by side" in terms of "after each other" or in terms of a more general "two wolves on the same wagon"?

Also, I feel like the poll thing doesn't tell you who voted for whom when, or at least it looked to me earlier as if the order of people displayed was random.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:36 pm @LanMisa

who do u think is more likely a wolf between mac and chelsea?

Gun to head right now I like Mac more than Chelsea, but I assume this was in response to the two runaway wagons that dissolved by now so this may not have as much relevancy right now.

Bad news: My dad has a... some kind of lung infection and since early today I also started coughing.

There's no good news here unfortunately.

"Vanity, too"..."Mac's potential partner" instead of "partners"... My writing skills used to be better than that. Guess working and playing in a chess tournament DOES make you tired.

I'll hang around for a bit if there are other thoughts but I won't be hawking over the thread either. I really hope that we can stop behaving like haters for a hot minute and try to play this game in a civil and reasonable manner while keeping our win condition in mind.

Yeah, I... am not a fan of thunderdome voting in general. I feel like Mac has brought up some good points among the shouting. I dislike Chelsea's stance towards Mac but...

I want to remind players that with some bad luck we may be on par with Mafia after tonight if we misyeet and two more shots hit town, so... please think for a long hard minute if that is really the way to go forward here, and whether running up two big blocks is what we need to find the remaining wolves and the 3P right now.

I'll keep my vote to myself right now, I don't feel like voting either wagon and Manny's vote on Epi feels like vanity too. Hopefully we can have a more productive discussion during the second half of this phase.

Okay, reading back on the earlier posts I do like Creature more, again.

Still could be 3P but that's with a very small c. Don't see Creature as Mafia here, though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:38 pm You know what doesn’t ever help me solve Mac? Mac quoting his own iso and talking about his own meta. It’s either true cause Mac’s town or fakeable because Mac is pointing it out.

This isn’t unique to Mac, I’m just annoyed at how much of today has been Mac talking about Mac.

I disagree with that stance, if nobody else listens to you at least try to set the record straight.

Don't get me wrong, I wish there was more balance towards the "talking about others" part but then again Mac came into the game with half the cast voting for Mac.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:43 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:41 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:54 pm I'm waiting for Mac to post cap before we just push him over tbf I have zero interest in engaging with it.

NGL I am not a fan of that.

I mean... you remember Day 1.

I am not a fan of rude behaviour regardless from whom it comes. Call it a pet peeve but I try my best (and sometimes fail, but I apologise for it) to treat everyone with respect, regardless of what alignment I read them.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:02 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:00 pm Bold you to assume you have that level of sway.

Pretty sure if i try i can get one of epi or creature dead over Mac, i just dont know if i want to do that yet.
I think you two are a diffcheck but currently it seems a lot more likely for him to be the town between you two, my only minor tinfoil is Mac himself asking to be bussed but i dont think thats his style.

I think that if Mac is a wolf and actively pushed by teammates right now the wolf chat was a warzone, considering how fiery he is right now.

Like, if (and that's a big if) Mac is a wolf I doubt Mac's partner is on Mac right now.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:54 pm I'm waiting for Mac to post cap before we just push him over tbf I have zero interest in engaging with it.

NGL I am not a fan of that.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:08 am actually considering im pretty sure theres 1 wolf in mac/chelsea its prolly more ev+ for me to vote chelsea today and just dome mac tomorrow if im alive and chels flips town but zzzz

I don't quite understand this train of thought and please don't lose focus, Manny, we really don't have much wiggle room here.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:55 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:59 pm I mean, I am pretty concerned because we just sleepwalked into two mislynches on two slots (sig and NANOOK) who I didn't even have any feeling on.

rn as far as I saw it looks like falcon45ca was caught visiting Seanzie N1 and the fact Seanzie died points to a wolf rolecop?

I can be alright with that lynch considering falcon45ca disappeared and it looks something more solid than anything there ever was on sig and NANOOK.

It still kinda feels like we're just sleepwalking into mislynches. Maybe falcon45ca might be a hit, but then tomorrow we'll prob end up wagoning someone like Lime Coke (who I townread) and I don't want town to sleepwalk into a mislynch like they did the two previous days.

Today you opened with a vote on Macdougall and didn't do much else, which seems at odds with your concerns at the end of the last day.

Yeah, I am not as sold on Creature as I was on D1 anymore. I... don't think Creature does his D3 "defense" of Falcon as a wolf partner, that's outside his meta that I am aware of, but I could see a Creature 3P world.

Issue is, I am not sure if today's priority is 3P or Mafia and it really depends on what kind of 3P it is... I mean, we COULD look at a 3v3v1 kingmaker situation if all odds are against us tomorrow and we fail today.

Manny wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 6:53 am Mac why you gotta make it hard to tr you, i was going to go for it if i didnt get nk'd since i think u would've normally but that is not real if u are going to push me zzz.
I think Mac/Chelsea is a diffcheck and i dont know if i actually wanna solve that today

i kinda just wanna kill epi and see who eats the nk

Yeah, I'd advise against doing kills for fun at this stage.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:00 am I'm sorry but the solution is there you guys just need to actually play optimally instead of wilding. I dunno why TSP is acting like we are in a bad state. This is the very first day since we got an actual pelt. It's a day to solve fiercely not a day to sleepwalk kill MacDougall. If Falcon flipped town I wouldn't begrudge you half as much.

I am beginning to think Manny is town again but I'm fairly locked on Chelsea and Creature in particular being mafia. Creature voting me d1 is actually entirely bizarre for how town Creature generally treats me, and I've not even factored that in til now.

This is very frustrating. And Lanmisa hasn't even come in yet and he's a big Mac hater lol.

You'd be surprised but I can overlook mishaps in style and just look at the pure essence behind posts despite my personal feelings on the matter. I am trying to read you and every other player with as little prejudice as possible and...

I looked atyour self-ISO and I agree with you that you look unaligned with Falcon. I am still surprised that you (unless I'm mistaken) told us exactly his role yesterday, but... with Seanzie being a copped PR I guess that wasn't that hard of a guess to make.