If we don't get a lynch on Marmot (if that is the consensus), then everybody needs to jump back on Nova (sorry dude) and I'll direct specifics after that.
Hopefully we can get a consensus elsewhere (and Marmot is fine by me).
Return to “Fiddler on the Roof Mafia”
Move to Marmot. He might be a civilian. I don't know. I'm convinced nova is one though.
That's cool. We need a consensus on another person first, though. FZ.'s vote is locked in, I'm sure since she is asleep. Dizzy, SD, you, Sloonei, hopefully nova, and Mac can be around tonight to coordinate this.
I would lynch Marmot over Nova. I don't have a strong opinion ABOUT Marmot, but I do have a strong opinion about Nova being the fall guy.
This guy is not mafia.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:01 pmIf you insist on it lol. My vote on Marmot is useless.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:59 pmWould you vote for me?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:58 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Thank you for being the only one not voting against me. Means a lot mate
Would you vote for me?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:58 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Thank you for being the only one not voting against me. Means a lot mate
Nothing has been set in motion.
Fair enough.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:50 pmIf there's some insight or inspiration to come in this phase which points to a likely suspect, I'd like to lynch 'em today instead of tomorrow. It's not a huge deal, just prefer not to waste time.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:29 pmWhat's wrong with being locked into a choice?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:14 pm Hopefully we're not locked into a choice. EOD mobility would be a nice option.
I'm in no hurry. Two people have votes, and the one with most of them hasn't said he won't be back. I'm still listening.
What's wrong with being locked into a choice?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:14 pm Hopefully we're not locked into a choice. EOD mobility would be a nice option.
Good call. Thank you.
I suspect spacedaisy more for that. She was not a major presence early on. She subs in on the other side, so she feels the need to look like she's doing something. She has no credibility from me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Best reasons to read each player as a civilian, colored by the strength of the statement.
DaveDaisy
~ After being clearly upset about the way her previous body was mislynched, Daisy returned to the game with a fire lit under her ass and pursued her convictions loudly.
~ She has been willing to change her mind when the progression of the game has dictated that without hanging on too tightly to dubious threads.
~ She conveys an earnest tone which suits her previous form, at least the four posts available to us.
I'd lynch him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm DrWilgy
~ He was essentially ignored by both confirmed mafia members. One might expect them to poke or prod him to life at least once.
~ He gives no impression that he is concerned with the state of the game or with being lynched by process of elimination.
I would lynch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Dyslexicon
~ They were an early critic of LoRab, and in her response to that criticism she seemed to be trying to convince someone of her innocence more than simply trading barbs.
~ When they've been available to play, they have provided a consistently thorough effort.
I would share a Pesach supper with him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Epignosis
~ LoRab was eager to lynch him on Day 1 and didn't budge from that perspective through Night 1 when Epignosis was being painted as a dead man walking.
~ Long Con interacted with him very little early in the game while he and I were fist-fighting, suggesting that he was enjoying a civilian vs. civilian powder keg being in the room.
Her suspicion of Long Con came about because he answered for her, and she didn't take kindly to that. That would mean her treatment of him was dependent upon my treatment of her. FZ. is a civilian.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm FZ.
~ She made it a personal crusade to see LC lynched and did not budge from that at any juncture. LC's handling of that pressure was much like LoRab's handling of Dizzy.
~ She provides a good effort when she is available to play and conveys an earnest tone.
Sandra Lee has many things to say about that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm JaggedJimmyJay
~ It's gotta be that beautiful, tight butt.
He cares about the roof (or ghostly roofs- I don't care about the ghostly roofs).JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Kylemii
~ Long Con danced around his read on Kyle early relative to the fake tell in such a way that it looked like he was capitalizing on thread progression and smearing.
~ His effort has been decent and he has been present frequently.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.
MacDougall cares about Putin's roof. That's how much he cares about a roof. If anybody needs me to explain why, I will.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm MacDougall
~ He was the first to calm the environment of the thread in Night 1 with unique analytic effort, drawing possible team connections.
~ This is the best effort he has given in a game in recent memory.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.
I would lynch the rat.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Marmot
~ Long Con treated him like he was an easy-button mislynch when Mac interrogated him, suggesting TMI.
~ He sounded rather genuine in response to being suspected early in the game (before Mac's attacks became more frequent).
I want to hear him talk more.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm novaselinenever
~ He might be an information-carrying role who misunderstood the rules.
~ He's the most obvious option and it's rarely this easy.
Lynch her out of frustration if you get nothing right.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm nutella
~ On Day 2 she was all over the place with her vote, a literal expression of this emoji: . After freaking out with indecision she ended up on LoRab, and she didn't have to.
~ She has conveyed an earnest tone.
JJJ and Sloonei are teammates. Lynch them.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm
Sloonei
~ He was an eager driver of the LoRab lynch and contributor to the Long Con lynch.
~ He has over 400 posts.
~ He hasn't stopped hunting despite being heavily suspected at numerous junctures of play.
This exploration doesn't change my POE. It does however give me a reason to double-check nutella's interactions with the mafia, because that point about her LoRab vote used to be stronger before it came to be known that the counterwagon was also a mafioso.
Uh-uh.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:27 amDespair can look like boredom. It doesn't seem like anyone is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt just once. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to always be so participatory in this game.
Maybe just forget the proving thing. It's kind of sketchy at this point anyway, I haven't actually confirmed with the host that it's cool. Get me out of the way, and you'll probably be looking at NVN tomorrow, and we can still win.
She's dead.
NVN has no credibility to push a lynch. No one is believing anything he says. Why are you putting any stock in it?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:23 amI would think he is trying to make shit up to push my easy lynch because that's how he thinks it goes? It was just vague enough.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:18 amWhat do you think of NVN if you make the following assumption:
He did not intend to actually claim information and instead worded his suspicion of you awkwardly because he isn't familiar with Syndicate jargon?
Last-minute self-preservation tactics are why veteran Syndicate players are losing to newer players who have influenced this site. We used to be "You have to be alive to win (unless you are bad)," which somewhat made sense at the time, but I no longer see it that way. Our entire site now is on board with "People win with their faction," which makes the most sense with regard to mafia. I was robbed of a win so many times as a civilian because I always got killed. That's bullshit, and that's why my opinion changed.
Your chance is now.
No.
Neither. His post says nothing about why his opinions have changed, thereby giving me nothing with which to understand his thought process.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:28 pm
Linki: Is the eyeroll because Marmot is good or because you think that post is very maphier?
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:20 pmI think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:17 pmnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.*looks at poll*novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:14 pmI've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.
If you have a civilian LC, it's a wasted Day phase.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:59 pm I think everyone who thinks LC is scum should vote him. I don't like this recent vote spreading. If we have scum LC we should make sure he's the one to go. Meow.
(I'm really asleep)
Like I just did.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 pmThis isn't Day 1.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:45 pmIdk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 pmI don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
I doubt seriously nova was ever blocked.
That means he either missed a PM or a worded his sentence poorly.
This isn't Day 1.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:45 pmIdk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:43 pmI don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
If nova is bad, then that was a noob move.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:38 pm Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.
Jay "slipped" his vote on to someone else. That's all I got from it. It was a lighthearted way of saying he moved his vote. "My finger slipped." I've seen him say this before.
I don't understand your mindset with regard to FZ.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:22 pmFor this lynch, not really. LC looks really bad and I think he's probably with the police. I think there's too much evidence pointing towards his and Lorabs partnership in the previous lynch, including but not limited to the fact that they didn't vote for each other or really discuss each other and the fact that there wasn't a push by anyone to add that one extra vote to save lorab by voting for long con.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:37 pmDo you have any alternative suspects?Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:35 pmhm? sorry? I haven't claimed to have any idea of who the third mafia member could be. I think LC is a good place to start.
If LC flips mafia that leaves us 5 (correct math?) tries and 240 hours to find the third member, with like 4 or 5 info roles to guide our lynches. I'm not really worried about our chances.
If long con doesn't turn out to be mafia then the fact that there wasn't a push might implicate players who weren't around for the end of day or players who already had their votes on long con.
Very Good
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii
Pretty Good
Nutella
Wilgy
Mac
Dyslexicon
Neutral
Spacedaisy
Novaselinever
Maybe bad?
FZ
Marmot
Bad
LC
Off the top of my head this is where I place everyone rn. I can't remember any of novaselinever's specific contributions so that's why he's there. Spacedaisy is on yellow because I generally believe she has good vibes but there is still a slight chance that her motivation to not vote LC or LR was out of an aversion to voting for her longtime friends and also mafia buds. Slight. FZ and Marmot are on the bottom because I don't have any solid reasons to read them as civ. I was also etched out a little by FZ's recent post asking me why I hadn't personally solved the entire game yet, and if LC does flip civ then FZ's vote on him looks less than great.
That's all just off the top of my head, though. There's definitely some legwork that could be done there, but rn I don't want to do legwork, I want to play Skyrim. I'm following along and checking in every 30 minutes or so. If LC comes online later and makes a particularly moving case for himself then I'll probably get back into search mode.
While I agree with you (in that my biggest suspect if Long Con), I believe dog-piling anyone early in the Day is bad policy. I'm still waiting to hear from him.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:53 pmLC needs all the votes and love he can get. Everyone should vote today, and they should vote where they want to see the flip. I want to see LC flip, cause he's been a black hole to me in terms of getting a read on him, and now I don't believe the woops I voted Epig. He's just likely scum with Lorab and he needs to go.
The chart didn't mean anything to me either way (and when I glanced at it, it didn't look consistent to me, but I didn't study it long). My perspective of MacDougall is influenced positively because of how closely some of his posts echoed my own mindset.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:05 pm I think for some or many of us, Mac vaulted from being a less conclusive read to a solid civilian read after the Spacedaisy lynch when he began to investigate potential connections and narrow down possible relationships. Does anyone read him as a civilian for a reason other than this, and do we feel that this is sufficient reason for him to have enjoyed such a position of comfort?
LC has four votes. He doesn't need mine. And it's early. Burying LC with plenty of hours left in the Day doesn't give him any room to go after mafia if he is indeed civilian, but instead only incentivizes defense mode.
Eh?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pmThe only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as TownSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.