The Syndicate

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, Saber is a quick read.

So the first thing to strike me is that me/Daisy already have more posts than him (and I almost do alone). He says he's new to online mafia, so maybe he doesn't get that the whole posting = helping thing.

He also hasn't quoted or built any cases, which again, could be a new player thing.

I dunno, he could very well be mafia, but there's just so little to go on that I don't even see how we could tell.

Linki: See? Cheating. Shame on you S~V~S for implying info (which, again, is false), and also shame on Epi for using it. Even if she did have info, that would be a shitty way to win. Play the game. You're not doing that if you rely on info dumping.

I have always hated both real and false info dumps, as you guys know, but it is INFURIATING to be the victim of a fake info dump. This is stupid.

I have tried to get S~V~S to make a case. Over and over and over. She won't. She just says "go look" and "I have experience."

But I'm not going to pretend anything, so please don't shame on me.

S~V~S wrote:But seriously, six years > one game.

Hosting Cookie on her first game here > playing with spacedaisy six years. If you can read spacedaisy that well from eight posts, then either you are a true master or spacedaisy sucks as a player, and I don't believe either of those.

I called out Cookie because, in Watchmen BTSC, she said she was great at being a civilian. She was not great here. She was nervous. Ergo, she was Mafia. Boom.

S~V~S wrote:If you say so.

Either way, I voted as you wished.

If you are bad, I will remember it.

S~V~S wrote:OMG, no not Hooker or Old Spice. In any case. Epi you said Cookie was bad based on hosting her ONE GAME. I am saying Daisy is bad based on playing with her for 6 years. Not seeing why this is so hard for you.

One game hosted with a new player is more reliable than 6 years with a veteran. I am banking on you having info. Not your experience. Your experience (no matter how many years) has proven wrong many times. I don't see how you can read spacedaisy on her wedding weekend from eight posts and gets replaced, especially when you won't point out specific things you are claiming. I don't buy it. It's info. Let's stop pretending it isn't. If at endgame you were right all along based on your gut, then I will apologize to you.

Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

I linked you to her eight posts. I've read those. Three times now.

I want to believe you.

S~V~S wrote:I just told you, if you don't see it I am sorry. I am not going to do a word for word analysis, or decide she is bad due to a specific word or whatever it is.

But I have been playing with Daisy since 2009, and I do see it. She shot me down, buddied up to you in the process, then she changed her mind about MP. It was awkward and weird, and civ Daisy did not write that stuff.

I'm asking for a link. To a post. Preferably a quote where you underlined where it happened. It's 8 posts. 8.

I don't feel that spacedaisy buddied up to me. I don't see where she flopped on MP. Just give me a link. Your playing history doesn't interest me. A post to what you are talking about does.

I want to get it right.

Roxy wrote:Sorry for not being around.

I am willing to lynch Saberfish. If Epi was right about all the mafia being new players I will never hear the end of it in future games.

I am beginning to wonder if SVS knows something that we all don't - specifically that Daisy now Russti is bad. I personally did not read Daisy as bad but thought MP was. I am only going on gut maybe SVS has more than just gut. Idk but we do have time to discuss.

I liked the vote analysis it will give me something to pour over before tomorrows lynch.

Can we organize lynching Russ and putting Saberfish a vote behind? If so, I think I'm on board.

S~V~S wrote:And I told you to read her posts. there were two big ones, and that's about it. She came in and basically ripped apart my suspicions of both of you, then came in and made a big post saying MP was bad for odd reasons, and not really referring to her previous post at all. The whole thing just made no sense to me, when you read the two posts one after the other.

Not buying it. I think they both were bad, and she was bussing him becasue wedding.

I read her posts. Twice. It's why I said twice that I don't see what you are seeing.

Here are her eight posts. I read them twice. I did not see what you are seeing. Please show me what you are seeing. Where did she "flop" on MP?

And everyone has been "taking suspicion." That's my point. Saying someone is taking suspicion is pointless. We're in Day 5 with nine people left. Everyone has been taking suspicion.

But no need to get technical. I would like to see where spacedaisy flopped on MP.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Thats what "taking suspicion" means; someone is suspicious of them. This is valid whether it is you or it is I. And I am amazed that you are not seeing the flop Daisy made; perhaps becasue she was buddying up to you as she made it?

And re Saberfish, I am not particularly suspicious or not suspicious of him. But if you can arrange that, i have no problem with it.

If you were to point out where spacedaisy made her flop on MP, I'd appreciate it.

OK.

I am prepared to lynch Russtifinko, but I would like a close second by one vote- Saberfish. Can that be arranged?

Gotta theory in my skull. Gotta let it rattle around a bit.

And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

S~V~S wrote:Replies inthis color.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

I don't see where spacedaisy was taking suspicion other than from S~V~S.

And I am not a someone? Yes she was taking suspicion from me. Does suspicion from me not count?

S~V~S wrote:I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

This was the Day 2 vote. I don't see where spacedaisy "flopped" on MP.

Then you need to reread her very few posts very carefully.

She's bad. Which mean Russti is bad. I am not bad. You just want me to be

No. I actually don't want that.

The Day 1 vote would cause a tie, but so would the Day 3 vote (if Old Spice wasn't involved). That would mean two close calls, before outing herself as Killface Day 4 to ditch a teammate.

I don't see it.

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

I don't see where spacedaisy was taking suspicion other than from S~V~S.

S~V~S wrote:I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

This was the Day 2 vote. I don't see where spacedaisy "flopped" on MP.

Oh I see. I was under the impression you were considering a vote for her.

Oh Magic 8 Ball, can you describe your uncertainty with nijuukyugou?

Oh Magic Eight Ball, for whom would you vote?

G-Man wrote:

Never saw any of that from an 8-ball.

Well damnola.

I can rule out all Day 4 voters from being Killface.

If nijuukyugou is Killface, I would have to believe that: 1) She consented to an Elohcin Night 1 kill, 2) she saw that Cookie didn't have a chocolate chip's prayer in hell Day 2 and voted there first, 3) took out her team's killer by herself on a Day when nine people missed the vote while risking exposing herself. I would buy 2, but not 1 or 3. Not a Killface Candidate.

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S~V~S has the most suspicious voting record for Killface. There's no way around that. MM got lynched Day 1 when she voted for him first. She stayed out of the way since then and didn't vote when it was a four-way tie. She had the opportunity to clear her name of being Killface but unfortunately that didn't happen. Killface candidate.

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For the same reasons, Roxy's votes are suspicious. She defended Cookie Day 1 (and all newish players- and lookie there, ika was bad too), then voted for her Day 2 in a non-committal way. Look at this:

Cookie
6
nijuukyugou (8), Made (11), Epignosis (12), Roxy (13), Saberfish (14), ika (15) 33%

I don't believe nijuukyugou is Killface, Made was the rabbit guy, then me, there's Roxy, Saberish comes in right after her and ika, a teammate, tacks on another needless vote.

However, Roxy expressed an interest in voting ika even though she didn't (although clearly he didn't have "literally forever," but I'll leave that alone ) Point to Roxy there, even if she did not vote.

Probably not Killface.

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Saberfish stayed out of the way Day 1 for a vague reason, and was quick to sling the mud at the MM89 voters. Not just any mud, but Killface Brand® Mud. I thought he hinted at being an Xtacle. That's still possible, but doubtful. The vote for Made was weak. Killface candidate.

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DisgruntledPorcupine has four posts. Not surprising there. His only vote appears to be for ika Day 3. He voted late and outside of Made/Roxy. Killface candidate.

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I'm going to stop there. I plan to vote S~V~S, Saberfish, or DP when Day 5 rolls around.

So far the lynched Mafia is two new people: Cookie and ika. That's something to consider. I pointed out that new-fish Mafia would kill Elohcin Day 1. The idea got poo-pooed, but the evidence points in that direction.

Actually, Lord of the Realms 2 is turn-based AND RTS.

I'm going to take a shower. When I come back, I'll tell you what I think, and then I'm off to make margaritas with some Ohioan triple sec and play some Lord of the Realms 2 (my first RTS from back in the day).

Excellent workluck nijuu.

How about voting Saberfish or S~V~S? They should get votes.

Voted HamburgerBoy.

Damn I ate those fast.

With peanuts.

I'm having some goddamned M&Ms.

thellama73 wrote:I gave you guys 72 hours. There is 45 minutes left. And only ONE person has voted? Are you kidding me?

I warn everyone about 48 hour days. Then you go and give 72.

Let's get you off the D.

Who would YOU like to see lynched?

S~V~S wrote:It isn't it just seems odd that we are arguing about a different issue and suddenly I am so suspicious to you.

Can you understand why I might feel that way?

Yes, but I wrote my post against you days ago. It's been saved here using our save post feature. I don't like your Day 3 vote at all. You dodged responsibility. You have hidden from any major voting decision. Day 1 you were first in the MM death.

I don't let arguments of outside issues get into games. Sorry. Doesn't ever happen.

S~V~S wrote:Go ahead and vote for me, Epi. Get it over with.

That isn't how this works. I finally how down time to consider my vote. You ware one, but not the only one. My vote for you will not "get it over with." I will only vote for you if you are the most suspicious person to me. Right now, you are one of those, given your voting record.

I have a hotel fridge full of beer and the night to enjoy. I won't vote fort you unless I think you are bad. I think you could be.

S~V~S wrote:So we're having a private discussion and you are coming after me?

You have not mentioned me before tonight.

No one has had an opinion; why single me out?

What?

I wrote that post two days ago and saved it since I have been in Ohio. I've been working on it off and on based on looking at the votes. I posted it now to get your response to it, since I can actually focus on a Mafia game.

What private discussion are we having that is game-related?

S~V~S wrote:Ninja WAS jumping on a bandwagon.

I don't agree. But very well, if you think that she's bad, then why not show why she's bad instead of just voting for her on Day 3? Jumping on a bandwagon isn't bad in itself. She didn't jump on Made, who wasn't bad. She jumped on Roxy, whom you think is good.

S~V~S wrote:And c'mon you know me, I like giving replacements a day to orient.

I allowed for that in my post. I don't suspect you for that.

S~V~S wrote:And I did not mention Made because I had no opinion on him. I read him as bad all the time when he isn't, so my opinion on him is useless.

This is NOT the case with Roxy; I think I read her pretty well.

Is there anyone you have an opinion on? Because it's been 70-some hours, and you haven't expressed a new opinion on anyone this entire time. Day 3 you stayed out of the main vote, but here you've not offered any place for anyone else to vote.

Saberfish, I thought, was hinting at Xtacle, but with so many of them gone, and only two left, his "hint" seems less believable.

S~V~S wrote:I really want to vote for Daisy again, I think her whole, Oh SVS is wrong about MP & Epi being bad... but I kinda really do think MP is bad song & dance felt very song and dance to me. VERY. But I want to give Russti the BOTD here.

Not voting Roxy, not really feeling a Made vote either. I am gonna vote Ninja for her only mildly disguised "jumping in the bandwagon cause I'm busy, k?" vote.

And typing that sentence made me miss Lizzie something fierce.

I don't understand this. Your top suspect is spacedaisy, but she got replaced, so you want to give Russtifinko the benefit of the doubt, even though it's the role you're supposed to be eliminating, not the player so much.

Okay...I can buy that, even if I don't understand it. But you would only be putting one vote on SD/Russ at a time when Roxy had four and Made had four.

I don't understand why you say nijuu was jumping on a bandwagon. Her post doesn't indicate that to me. I want to see some people on those close votes. It narrows down Killface. It's much more useful than someone voting for a person who has no chance of being lynched at that point.

You twice said you would not vote for Roxy (you allude to tone), but no one else do you mention Made. You choose not to vote Made because you aren't "feeling a Made vote." No where in your posts do you mention Made or interact with him (you do quote one of his posts, but your post itself is general, not directed at Made so far as I can tell).

If you are Killface, you could vote early for MM and ensure your team hides your vote by tying it up (Cookie did just this). Cookie and MP were the last two voters, setting up a three-way tie. The Day 2 vote was safe, but that Day 3 vote...

OK.

I suspected a team of new people early on, given the kills. None of those people are at the wedding, so it would be a perfect opportunity for civilians of that stripe to discuss and get things together. This has been the quietest 72 hours I've ever seen.

Can't imagine why.

I know. That's actually Tim Drake.

What a bitch.

thellama73 wrote:Less than four hours until the poll ends.

I've been writing and saving posts dear host.

One says this:



Tim Drake enjoys carton after carton of Mr. Freeze.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote: I'm into D&D on Sundays and Fantasy Football.

Get HYPED

No D&D this Sunday for me.

Fuck bro RIP

Tell that to MP.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote: I'm into D&D on Sundays and Fantasy Football.

Get HYPED

No D&D this Sunday for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi has to go clear his browser history, he'll post his thoughts on the lynch later.

Pro-tip: Find a woman who knows what you're into and doesn't mind.




























I'm into D&D on Sundays and Fantasy Football.

/win

/Bestpresentation

Fun role is out. Meh.

Been busy as balls today.

Roxy asked me a bunch of questions that I failed to answer. So here goes.

"Are you just looking at what you want to instead of the whole picture? Why?"

Yes. I am just looking at what I want to look at instead of the whole picture. Because I like parts of pictures. Taking them all in at once spoils any future pleasure I might get out of the viewing.

"How is it empty rhetoric when it is how I play?"

I implied that saying the same thing to everyone who suspects you of anything is empty rhetoric. Whenever someone suspects you of anything, you come back with "I'm sorry if you don't like it but that's how I play." I may start posting pictures of Steve Buscemi making kissing faces, and when people complain, I'll say, "Sorry if you don't like it. It's how I play."

Empty rhetoric.

"Why are you only responding to certain portions of my responses?"

I'm sorry. I have AD

"Linky why would I vote for you?"

Excellent question. You would vote for me because you suspect my voting record and/or reasons for voting. You would vote for me because my tone is not genuine. You would vote for me because I am a genius Mafia player who has only been lynched three times ever as Mafia. You would vote for me because I kicked ass in Guess Who? by throwing DDL under the bus Day 1 and then faking info on an inactive. You would vote for me because I like playing with people's heads. You would vote for me because you want me out. You would vote for me because I am an obstruction to you achieving your win condition. You would vote fo-

You already voted, didn't you?

"Also how can they not pertain to you when it is your quote post I responded to?"

When you post things to or about others in the course of responding to one of my posts, I don't see why I need to comment.

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Going back, I see that I answered all of these except those I believed to be rhetorical.

I also found this:

Roxy wrote:And yep I am defensive bc I am civ

Compared to this:

Roxy wrote:And I am really trying my damnest to help the town this game.

Those two sentences are not incompatible, but the phrasing of the latter is suspect in the light of the former.

I am okay with my vote.