The Syndicate

keys56000000000 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Or, Chris is that role that's hard to kill with an NK, y'know, the one he's hinted at?

Or, Eloh is that role and she isn't pay attention to shit.

No. Chris is who he claims to be.

Very well. That doesn't change my case against him one iota.

keys56000000000 wrote:Or, Chris is that role that's hard to kill with an NK, y'know, the one he's hinted at?

Or, Eloh is that role and she isn't pay attention to shit.

Chris wrote:Why are you insisting that I'm The Master? I know you didn't role check me... did you get bad info? Other than me surviving 2 NKs, and not voting MM, do you have any actual thread evidence?

Chris wrote:There's NOTHING to work with when looking for The Master or the recruiter. The Master's BTSC partner was recruited, who knows when, and most likely never had contact. What is there to look for?

According to Chris, there's nothing to work with when looking for The Master (or the recruiter).

But I need ACTUAL thread evidence to hunt for either, according to Chris.

Addendum: I don't know what you're saying this time, LC.

Addendum 2: A moment, S~V~S. I want to post.

Addendum 3: Holy shit. I want to post. Also, damn.

Chris wrote:duh DUH DUH!!!

And who, pray tell, would that be Epig?

Why are you insisting that I'm The Master? I know you didn't role check me... did you get bad info? Other than me surviving 2 NKs, and not voting MM, do you have any actual thread evidence?

Or is it all hyperbole?

I was thinking about this a good bit today. I also thought about a few other scenarios, playing with what ifs and what could bes and what have you. But never mind.

No, I didn't check you. I can't do that and I'm not on a team with anyone who can. Precisely as I said. And since sabie got lynched (showing that the role checker was alive the whole time), this nonsense about me making a lie detector statement to fool the lie detector demonstrates without question that I was not lying. But never mind.

Do you know who did role check you? Ah.

Chris
3
Dom (7), sabie12 (8), DFaraday (14)
13%


Jerry bear (Chris)
3
Epignosis (6), sabie12 (13), Snow Dog (14)
12%

++++

sabie, THE role checker, voted for you twice in a row. And the Cybermen tried to kill you. She must want you out something fierce.

But never mind. She must have had bad info.

Right?

Turnip Head wrote:Free drugs for the master if he outs himself

He will. Eventually.

Playing Yahtzee with people who insist on firing the dice from a trebuchet gets old after a while too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Chris is the recruiter.

Is this a newfound belief? And why do you think that? I'm intrigued.

It's what I think. That, or that he was recruited.

I didn't know I was insisting that.

Burn out is pretty much it- it's not me disliking this game, which is amazing (and I even made sure to let the hosts know this). I have never been replaced and won't be here.

MP's return to the land of the living is not surprising to me.

Regarding sabie voters, three of them I feel I can trust (at present), but I will refrain from naming them. Out of ten voters, I'd bet money a sabie teammate crept in there, and my money is on DFaraday. His first Day 8 post reeks of tactical maneuvering. His second post noted that sabie hadn't said anything to change is mind, but sabie didn't say anything at all between his first post and his second other than this. Sounds like a canned response.

Finally, I stand by my current suspicion, whom I'll be voting for again.

Chris claimed one of two roles.

I'm pretty sure he's lying.

Good night.

If.

Chris wrote:But really, did I just post you into giving up Epig?

Really?!?

I'll take pride in that actually...

No.

I was reminded that my kids are cooler than Mafia in general, so I've started spending more and more time with them, and less and less with you.

And I take pride in that.

Go on and high five that mirror.

Going to watch Once Upon a Time now with a girl who sometimes thinks she a princess.

Chris wrote:Hitting refresh once in a while and reading a line or two of new posts isn't that distracting.

Trying to concentrate on the posts and voting histories of multiple people is a bit more distracting.

And, haven't you ever heard of commercials?



But you just sound like a defeated baddie... so I for one, am pleased that you're going to phone it in for the rest of the game.

Yesterday I recorded music all morning. It was awesome. I finally finished a piece I'd been working on for over a year. After that, I drove Eloh almost an hour away so that she could deliver her awesome cakes to a wedding party. After that, I seared steaks and salmon for friends and we played a card game and watched a movie and drank beer. This morning we went to church. This afternoon I played D&D. After that, I painted pumpkins with the kids. Now I'm making pizza.

I have no interest in reading your thoughts when you cannot practice discrimination in posting them.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epig 2.0, why are you seemingly OK with being lynched? You put up more of a fight the first time around.

Because I'm tired.

Nope. Never mind. I thought Chris had a game to watch, but he's still here. Posting. And posting. And posting.

I'll ride this out and see how it goes. I'll vote, but don't expect much from me. If I get lynched, I'm fine with that.

Chris wrote:And why wouldn't you read the case on her? Did you read the lynch post? She was a CyberMan you know.

Aren't you interested in finding baddies?

No.

Chris wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Chris wrote:While yo're working on stuff Epig, try to tell us why none of the stuff that was pointed out about Sabie yesterday seemed suspicious to you...

No.

As much as I expected.

And you're welcome to speculate why that is.

I'll give you a hint though: It has to do with the fact that I didn't read any of it. And still haven't. And don't intend to.

Chris wrote:While yo're working on stuff Epig, try to tell us why none of the stuff that was pointed out about Sabie yesterday seemed suspicious to you...

No.

Chris wrote:You know what? I'm taking a break. i'm burned out. I've done too much case making and reading in the last 36 hours.

Besides, the Raiders are on. I'm going to watch some football, and then come back. Maybe I'll have a clearer head by then.

But right now, with me getting all those vouches wrong, and screwing up the vote tallies, I'm toast.

be back later.

Excellent. I hope the Raiders go into overtime.

I might look at sabie's posts for connections, but my immediate thinking is that she would avoid mentioning her teammates at all.

I will also press my case against Chris. Stay tuned.

MovingPictures07 wrote:... could indicate a somewhat disinterested teammate...

I am never a disinterested teammate.

Turnip Head wrote:

Chris wrote:In doing some research, I've uncovered a scenario that could show Elo to possibly be The Master. It's a touch thin, but there's some meat too... Vote evidence type shit.

Wait what

If by now you are not convinced that Chris is bad news, I don't know what to tell you.

Off to D&D and FF. Go Panthers! lol

I see Chris is accusing everyone who has voted for him. Not surprised.

Chris wrote:Dom, just so we're official.

My top suspects are:

Epig, Sable, Dom, and Snow DOg.

Chris wrote: My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?

The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.

Going back to my company. Watching Pulp Fiction

Chris wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So you're saying you think maybe Roxy was on a team with a recruited Cyberman role checker, and then she started going after the rolechecker's teammates Epi and Sabie?

Holy shit... that would be crazy if that's what happened...

That's what I think. I agree, it would be crazy, but it would also explain a lot. Although, as Epig put it, it doesn't have to be a role checker for Roxy and co. to know who the Cyber team is. But there hasn't been any cases made on baddie that seem slam dunk. That's why I'm assuming the role checker had been recruited. Maybe Sabie is the role checker... I don't know. I'm pretty sure she's a Cyber though.

Epignosis wrote:I haven't been outspoken...okay. If you say so Chris. I know your mind is made up.

I hope people are paying attention to the drastic changes of opinion occurring for unwarranted reasons (like a dead recruited Dalek role checker was looking for civilian credit in a game where such a thing doesn't exist). Chris has been playing a lot of WWRD? (What would Roxy Do?) and making some huge, bewildering assumptions.

Turnip Head: You don't need to recruit a team's role checker to know who a person's teammates are. You just need to recruit any person from that team.

I spent this morning recording music and this afternoon Eloh and I have been delivering cakes out of town. In an hour, we're having guests over (including nijuu). So I won't be around.

If the will of the group is to lynch me again, I'm fine with that. Getting lynched is always more satisfying to me than getting killed.

There's no such thing as civ cred? Really?

I disagree?

Epig, your case on me is a giant no u. Your game is notably different the second time around.

Furthermore, I made more of a case on Sabie than I did you, and you still no u-ed the shit outta me.

But it's cool. You gotta do what you gotta do. Maybe you can convince them that I'm The Master... that's where you were heading, right?

There is no civilian credit in a game with two Mafia teams, a SK, secret roles, a recruiter, and so forth. I've lynched two Daleks and helped vote out a recruit- is there any civilian credit for me? No. I must be a role checker or be on a team with one.

The only reason you can dub my case a "NO U" is because my case was posted after yours. If my post came before yours, then yours would be the NO U. Doesn't mean my case is wrong. Calling someone's case a "NO U" is just being dismissive- that's all. I do not fear people calling what I have to say a "NO U."

Finally, Chris, you've only played with me twice, and in one of those games you died early (because you got lynched Day 1). I play differently every time I play just so I do not have a clear meta game footprint for people to follow.

To others: If you are good and not recruited, beware Chris.

People here. Waiting on nijuu.

Turnip Head wrote:You did not give a very in depth answer yesterday re: Sabie, and we've discussed her in much greater detail since then.

Who do you think is a Cyberman? You made a case on Chris, is he your only current suspect?

What else do you want me to say about sabie? I've played with her twice, once when I was bad, and once when she was bad and was lynched Day 1 (and I had even forgotten she was in Clue until someone else brought it up, and hell, I kept a spreadsheet that time!). I don't suspect her right now.

I have no idea who could be a Cyberman. I would be guessing.

I am more interested in eliminating the recruiter because, while a set team can kill civilians, they cannot increase their numbers or turn trusted civilians into converts. I thought I was doing very well in American Gods- the numbers looked good, and Mafia were dropping. Turns out I was outnumbered by recruited persons in spite of my performance. I would like that not to happen.

Eloh is going to cut my hair and then I'm taking a shower and getting ready for some fine fellowship.

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of Sabie, Ep?

I license asked him that. He ignored me.

What?

Now who is being misleading?

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of Sabie, Ep?

I think I'm tired of being asked that question. I've answered it already. Yesterday, in fact.

Edit: That should say "A dead recruited Dalek dead checker was looking for civilian credit in a game where such a thing doesn't exist."

I haven't been outspoken...okay. If you say so Chris. I know your mind is made up.

I hope people are paying attention to the drastic changes of opinion occurring for unwarranted reasons (like a dead recruited Dalek role checker was looking for civilian credit in a game where such a thing doesn't exist). Chris has been playing a lot of WWRD? (What would Roxy Do?) and making some huge, bewildering assumptions.

Turnip Head: You don't need to recruit a team's role checker to know who a person's teammates are. You just need to recruit any person from that team.

I spent this morning recording music and this afternoon Eloh and I have been delivering cakes out of town. In an hour, we're having guests over (including nijuu). So I won't be around.

If the will of the group is to lynch me again, I'm fine with that. Getting lynched is always more satisfying to me than getting killed.

Chris wrote:Epig, i thought you've played with me enough to know... and I'm pretty sure you have, that I put my thoughts out in posts on purpose. Not to make cases on people, but to float ideas, for others to look at and see if I make sense. I know a lot of times I don't. Shit, a lot of times, I'll say something, read it after it's been posted, and then post again saying that I was wrong.

So I applaud your efforts here, but you basically brought up my working through thoughts in posts as evidence against me.

But it doesn't make me the recruiter, It makes me transparent.

It also spreads info, which, like I said before, is a civvies best ally.


OK BR.

Transparency. It's a beautiful, civilian thing.

So... how am I to make a case against you? Can you tell me which posts were floaters and which ones weren't?

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am not trying to be misleading, LC, but I agree that isn't worded right. Chris and Roxy had a back and forth on Night 4. While it may not have been about me being a role checker or on a team with one, my point is that Chris did not agree with Roxy's suspicion at the time, and he even questioned her. Now he's agreeing with her.

If there are other issues with my post or the evidence I've given, let me know as well as you can.

Chris wasn't even disagreeing with Roxy. He was just Necromantic Fiend that don't reasons stlgirl believing concluding things she believed ("quiet and subdued" for instance) were hotbrained.

He agreed Battle School her suspicion on Made, hustler with anxiousseat trusting resperse Epig, he just thought Roxy's reasons were Typhoony.

Strike two, White Queen.

I did not say "Chris was disagreeing with Roxy." I said, "Chris did not agree with Roxy." That is to say, he did not express agreement with her idea.

I am not trying to be misleading, LC, but I agree that isn't worded right. Chris and Roxy had a back and forth on Night 4. While it may not have been about me being a role checker or on a team with one, my point is that Chris did not agree with Roxy's suspicion at the time, and he even questioned her. Now he's agreeing with her.

If there are other issues with my post or the evidence I've given, let me know as well as you can.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, Mafia are your thoughts on Sabie? Have you given them harrowing blocking past?

sabie tricked me once in Felt Mafia. I was bad, but hers was a priority role (civilian BTSC that could be recruited by the SK). I went the entire time not believing that she had BTSC. She's been quiet here, but she was quiet in Felt (41 posts in 8 Days there). At this stage I do not suspect her.

I can never read you, I think you like it that way. Are you bad?

In tennis? Yes.
In the kitchen? No.
In Fantasy Football? Yes, yes, no and no.
In business? Terribly so.
In bed? Sample size too small.
In Dr. Who Mafia? No and no. I don't have a bad role, and I think I've done a good job voting and paying attention. So much so that the biggest accusation against me is that I'm a role checker or on a team with a role checker. It reminds me of the semester I got called into a professor's office because she was convinced I had plagiarized my essay.

nothing is ever simple with you. I think the same thing happened to LC, maybe it was a poem... I can't remember.

One thing I will say in my defense is that I got one vote Day 7. My lie detector statement was made Night 4, and I made more since then. The vote I got was from S~V~S. Based on a particular post of hers, I have her penciled in for one of two roles, and neither is Mr. Face in a Vat.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, Mafia are your thoughts on Sabie? Have you given them harrowing blocking past?

sabie tricked me once in Felt Mafia. I was bad, but hers was a priority role (civilian BTSC that could be recruited by the SK). I went the entire time not believing that she had BTSC. She's been quiet here, but she was quiet in Felt (41 posts in 8 Days there). At this stage I do not suspect her.

I can never read you, I think you like it that way. Are you bad?

In tennis? Yes.
In the kitchen? No.
In Fantasy Football? Yes, yes, no and no.
In business? Terribly so.
In bed? Sample size too small.
In Dr. Who Mafia? No and no. I don't have a bad role, and I think I've done a good job voting and paying attention. So much so that the biggest accusation against me is that I'm a role checker or on a team with a role checker. It reminds me of the semester I got called into a professor's office because she was convinced I had plagiarized my essay.

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, Mafia are your thoughts on Sabie? Have you given them harrowing blocking past?

sabie tricked me once in Felt Mafia. I was bad, but hers was a priority role (civilian BTSC that could be recruited by the SK). I went the entire time not believing that she had BTSC. She's been quiet here, but she was quiet in Felt (41 posts in 8 Days there). At this stage I do not suspect her.

Chris wrote:Never said I didn't believe you BR. Just pointing something out.

And Epig, no u.

I'm not the recruiter. I helped get Roxy deaded. When Roxy died, so did her kill. If I was the recruiter, that woulda just pissed away my kill.

Nice try though. I'm leaving work. When I get home, I'll read your entire post, and punch holes in it for you.

Yes U.

It's a pity that Chris got his post in before mine, because now this is going to be punched with the dreaded "NO U" rubber stamp, but, to use that awful tautology that has gained currency over the past few years, "It is what it is."

I believe Chris is recruiting people, and as I type this, I am having harrowing flashbacks of American Gods. My reasoning is enumerated below:

1. Wild Name-Dropping

Chris named a boatload of names on Day 7, expressing an array of opinions on each, opinions that continue to shift in levels of intensity. That's a Mafia tactic I've witnessed many a time when it looks like someone bad might be going down. If you have teammates, and it looks like you're singing your swan song, you want that song to be as confusing and as misleading as possible, so as to make it difficult for people combing through your posts to discern who your teammates are. MP can make an art out of it (see WWE).

Chris wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:And really, he DOES seem to be suspecting those coming after them as they're coming after them (the one that really caught my eye was SVS...RIGHT AFTER she made a post about him).

I never suspected SVS...

I semi suspected Hedgie and Dom. And the only thing that made me mention them is that I was already looking at them. Jesus... I'm repeating again.

Personally, I'd still like to lynch MP. If not MP, Epig. If it's got to be Roxy, I'll do it. She had a few things that were odd. Her vote for Made that seemed completely made up for example. I know she went hard after Rico.. but like I said, I know I'm a civ. She can be a baddie. TO save my ass, she gets my vote.

Doesn't suspect S~V~S. Semi-suspects Hedgeowl and Dom. Wants to lynch MP or me or Roxy.

Chris wrote:LC was becoming a suspect of mine beforeally he thinks I no u-ed him.

He suspected LC.

Chris wrote:My thoughts on who the Cybermen are?

The Cyber Controller - MP
The Cyberman Head - LC
Cyberman 1 & 2 - Epig and either Hedgie or Dom.

Now he's of the opinion that MP was a recruiter:

Chris wrote:Now, here's where people will get upset with me. But it seems to me that MP had knowledge of people's roles prematurely too. I mention this only because I'm wondering if there's a chance that MP was the secret recruiter, and was on a team with Roxy and the role checker? There were a LOT of people who seemed to vouch for him. Roxy also vouched for MP as a civ. She even put words in my mouth and claimed I said that I thought Epig was a civ. (I never said that) She then said that if we lynched Epig, that she'd think that I was his teammate because I defended him. (Again, no I didn't) This was right about the time I kept pushing for an MP lynch. IF she and MP were in a team together, it would make sense as far as why she was gunning for me.

2. His connection to Roxy and MM

Here's what Chris said about Roxy:

Chris wrote:I don't suddenly feel any better about Epig, although I'm less suspectful of Roxy, I'm not ready to say I think she's a civ. I firmly believe there's a lot of civ cred attempts going on around here.

On a side note, in a game with two Mafias, a serial killer, recruiting, and three secret roles, there is no civilian credit.

He suspects Roxy less, but doesn't say why. I looked at the posts where he did suspect Roxy, and they're pretty strong posts.

In this post, I detect a slight defense of Roxy by proxy.

But on Night 4, however, there was a rather heated exchange:

Roxy wrote:

Chris wrote:

Roxy wrote:<snip>

Well it was only day 2 and Made is hard to read.
After a couple of days went by - my focus has been on Hedge and getting people to look at her- when no one besides TH was looking at her I looked into the two top suspects. thats when I realized Made has been quiet and subdued. Since I call people out all the time for latching onto someone elses suspicions and voting without adding any original thoughts I wanted to add my thoughts before I voted.

Quiet and subdued. You keep saying that, like it's an indication of him being bad. I'm more quiet and subdued this game, does that make me bad? Simply being less active does not make someone a baddie. Now, granted, I think Made is bad now as well, after the lynch last night, it's pretty hard not to look like Dalek... something I was concerned about. But his story as to why/how his actions went down last night, sound like complete and utter bullshit to me...

Have you played with Made or Hosted him? No. I have played and hosted him so I do think I know his game a little better than you do. He is quiet and subdued and if you had played with him you would know this is VERY unlike him. I have stated my reasoning and sorry if you don't agree with it, should I change up my game just so my reasoning can be like yours -Which was stellar btw:

Chris wrote:Switching my vote to Rico for reasons.

*changes vote to Rico*

And your reason was bc you thought Made was being set up and was a civ. Sorry I did not agree with your thinking or Epi's last lynch. I did not know I had to agree with Epi or you to make a vote.

Chris wrote:But you said that you don't just like to latch on to other people's reasons to vote, and want to add your own. Well, let me ask you, what were the other people's reasons that you latched on to? Because you never said anything other than A: He's playing "quiet and subdued" & B: You don't trust Epig.

I did not latch onto anyone else's suspicion but my own yesterday. Though I did admit already Dom had made some points I agreed with but others not as much. So f'n what if I don't trust Epi. Are you his guardian or what? Why do you care so much that I should trust Epi? Its odd tbh.
In mafia you are supposed to find who you think is bad - its what I am doing. I am sorry you disagree with me but theres not much I can do about how I feel.

Chris wrote:

No I was not feeling the case Epi made on Enrique. Mostly bc I am not feeling trusty of Epi. why would I follow someone elses suspicion that I do not trust and vote accordingly? that makes no sense.

But no one is/was asking you to voke for Enri only based on what Epi does/said. Are you telling me that since you don't trust Epig, that whoever he votes for, you won't? There was other posted reasons/evidence to vote for Enri, and still, you voted for Made because he's been playing "quiet and subdued".

Maybe. I do not trust Epi. Idk what part of that sentence you are having a hard time understanding. I may vote the same as Epi if I feel it is warranted but I was not feeling it all yesterday.
There were reasons to vote Made why didn't you latch onto those?

Chris wrote:

I will be laying out the reasons why no one should be trusting Epi since he came bak2lyf later today.

This should be interesting...


My whole point on Roxy's vote last night was this. There was a lot of reasons/explanations floating around last night... but of all of the odd reasons to vote Made... Roxy's stuck out the most to me as someone who just needed to put her vote on Made to blend in, knowing it wouldn't get him lynched. She couldn't just put a vote there with no reason, so she made one up.

Does that make her bad? Not necessarily... but it certainly makes me wary of her, and I want to make damn sure it got some attention before we move on to the next big thing.

I did not make up a reason ffs! Anyone who has played with him knows I am telling the truth. He is quiet and subdued - tough shit if you do not like my reasoning.

Do you, like Epi, know something no one else does? Bc I did not "KNOW" Made would not be lynched. if you did you must be on a team with Epi as he had put Made and Enrique into roles on Day 4 no less. How can he assign roles so easily and be sure you might ask - its bc he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. You trust Epi so much you are parroting his thoughts about who has what role - hell a lot of people are but no one else has noticed that the only way he can be so *sure* that they are those roles is if he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. If he thinks they are Daleks I will bet anyone a sig bet that Epi is on the Cyber team.

Think about that for awhile Chris.

Chris and Roxy had an argument about whether or not I am a role checker. That was Night 4. Now, on Day 8, Chris is believing Roxy:

Chris wrote:Either Epig is the role checker, or the role checker's teammate like Roxy said, or Roxy got recruited into a team that has a role checker... perhaps recruited from the Cybermen.

And in case I'm right about Chris, there's this:

Chris wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am back and will be catching up later if life allows.

I know I have not responded to epi but his whole case is a no u. he did not say anything aboutany of it in his first run down list, plus I really have not had the time. I do not expect people to believe me about it but I am saying it anyway - rl trumps mafia anyday imo

If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

My case really had nothing to do about the ld statements if you were to read back on the made/Enrique cases you will see that.

Also when you finish getting epi and sabie you may want to go after my orginal suspicion that NO ONE listened to and take a hard long lookat Hedge.

I am working overtime today I will make time for this game when I finally get home tonight.

Why did she say that? Why, after she turned out to be the last Dalek, who don't have an role checker, would we know to go after Epig and Sabie? I think it's because they ARE Cybermen, who would be the next biggest threat to her recruiter. She still throws Hedgie in there, but that might just be some clouding info. I think she knew that Epig and Sabie are bad, and wants them taken out to help her recruiter.

So Chris thinks Roxy has info on me and info on sabie, but when it comes to Hedgeowl, it "might just be some clouding info," whatever that is. That's...convenient.


3. Disingenuous Voting

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SVS: See, now that's something I can see someone accusing me of. I'm not The Master of course, but I can see how you can think so. I didn't vote for MM. I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.

Again, Chris didn't care who got lynched (so he says).

Chris wrote:So what happens? A sudden rush of people who are convinced that I'm either The Master or The Cyber Controller. And then suddenly, no one is talking about MP or Epig anymore.

And he means it: Chris' concern is not that evildoers get lynched. It's that the attention is elsewhere. He voted for me, not really caring who got lynched, but MM, a recruit did. The Day Roxy got lynched, he didn't want to vote for her, but would be glad to if it came down to it.

4. Empty Rhetoric

Chris wrote:And yes. It's been determined the only way I could have survived was to be The Master, The Cyber Controller, Sarah (where one or both kill failed due to her role) or Jack (where at least one kill was blocked because of his role) Then there's the fact that both Sarah and Jack are civs, so the Strax kill could have been missed because of that.

I'll admit that it sucks that I was targeted by each, making it much harder to swallow. But I've adamantly denied being both The Master and The Cyber Controller. So i can only be either Sarah or Jack.

That's right: Chris cannot be one of the two bad survivor roles because he (adamantly ) denied being them. Therefore he is either Sarah or Jack. Logic. What it leaves out is that there are two other secret roles. It also leaves out the possibility that he is a recruit.

Chris wrote:I REALLY WISH WE KNEW WHAT THE LAST TWO ROLES ARE!

Indeed.

Chris wrote:Indeed. Then... WOW! Another correct premonition:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

She's pretty good at this...

Roxy's pretty good at this? She named almost the gamut of possibilities. It's kind of like this:

Chris wrote:At this point, if I had to guess, I'd say MP was the recruiter, and he's now dead. What happens to the remaining players who he recruited, who knows. I would assume they go back to their original roles.

But then again, MP could not be the recruiter, and the recruiter is still alive.

So, according to Chris, either MP was the recruiter and is dead, or MP is not the recruiter and the recruiter is still alive.

Chris wrote:You left me off, and I know I survived for a very civ reason.

There's civilian reasons for surviving, and then there are VERY civilian reasons for surviving.

Empty, empty, empty words.

Dom wrote:I can understand your concern, but it's misguided and incorrect.

What is my concern, and why is it misguided and incorrect?

Black Rock wrote:Not a surprising night. I mean, MP and LC were both targeted.

RIP MP.

I am very interested to hear from Sabie, I really think Roxy did know some things and was throwing it out there before she died. What do you think about that Epig? It's hard for me to mistrust you right now but I have no reason to trust you either.

I don't think Roxy knew anything other than who got snuffed and who her new teammate(s) are. More on that later. I have to research and cogitate.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.

Um, you're lazy and get back to work!

Thank you for that... tbh... I finished just in time!

Which post?

Had Roxy been just the last Dalek, this would have been moot for me, but since she was recruited, I'd like you to answer:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 848#p90848

Long Con wrote:Ok, here's what I have for The Ood.

If you are targeted by a baddie, there is a fifty percent chance of you entering a ----e---- [different? missing 'e'?] name and redirecting their night action back onto them. This does not include nightkills.

I think this is good for each Civvie to know because maybe someone has targeted someone else and seen it affect a different player... Then that Civvie could say "hey, I trust them, they're the Ood!"

"Different" is the only thing that makes sense.

Long Con wrote:How do you feel about publicizing them, Epig? I feel confident enough that the baddie team probably has enough of it done already, given the amount of time it took to decode what I did.

Eh, I only did three, and two of those are obvious (though they weren't at first to me when I tried). I was convinced I wouldn't be any good at them but I sat down for a bit and worked some words out. I was proud of myself. Anyway, I don't know what all is in there, and so I would leave that to the judgment of others.

All I'm saying is that I can put 2 and 2 together regarding what I DID work out.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Chris wrote:The MM lynch was the one that ended early.

If Epig is with MP, that lynch could have been a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils with MP. Or it could have just been a matter of it ending early and screwing up any possible plans.

I highly suggest you all re-read MP with the mind that he could be The Master, and that Roxy and MM were both recruited.

It starts to look very interesting.

Then remember the people vouching for MP or intereacting with MP a lot. LC, Epig, SVS... all people I'd recruit if I was a recruiting Indy killer.

I'm not making a case that he is The Master. I need someone else's view on the possibility. Someone who is not LC, Epig, SVS, or Hedgie please.

I think, in order for MP to be a civ, he can only be one role. And it doesn't make much sense that people would be saying they think he's a civ based on anything role related.

Black Rock, you were targeted. What do you think of the possibility that MP is The Master?

I just saw this on a reread. I am very confidant that MP is a civvie and I even have him pegged as a role. I don't think he is the Master.

Agreed.

Why do you think MP is civ?

Three reasons. First, he has a distinct tell when he's bad. Second, his instance that people lynch him? MP doesn't do gambits like that. He wants to prove something. I believe that. Third, I usually suck at decoding those puzzles on the front page, but I decoded three of them enough to cement the idea in my mind.

Black Rock wrote:

Chris wrote:The MM lynch was the one that ended early.

If Epig is with MP, that lynch could have been a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils with MP. Or it could have just been a matter of it ending early and screwing up any possible plans.

I highly suggest you all re-read MP with the mind that he could be The Master, and that Roxy and MM were both recruited.

It starts to look very interesting.

Then remember the people vouching for MP or intereacting with MP a lot. LC, Epig, SVS... all people I'd recruit if I was a recruiting Indy killer.

I'm not making a case that he is The Master. I need someone else's view on the possibility. Someone who is not LC, Epig, SVS, or Hedgie please.

I think, in order for MP to be a civ, he can only be one role. And it doesn't make much sense that people would be saying they think he's a civ based on anything role related.

Black Rock, you were targeted. What do you think of the possibility that MP is The Master?

I just saw this on a reread. I am very confidant that MP is a civvie and I even have him pegged as a role. I don't think he is the Master.

Agreed.

Elohcin wrote:Woot Woot People! I picked a yummy salad with lots of crunchy goodness - like sunflower seeds, carrots, and crunchy lettuce of course. But don't forget the boiled eggs and cranberries. Mmm mmm!

So we went on an awesome field trip today! It was to a corn maze with other things like very tall tube slides, a huge jumping pad, playgrounds, hay ride, animals, pumpkin patch, a corn house (seriously, a house FULL of corn kernals. Kind of like a sand box or a ball pit, but CORN about two feet deep....it was SO very cool. I know it sounds weird, but you have not experienced all the good things in life until you have laid in two feet of corn kernals.) Anyway....and we saw llamas. We told the kids we had to take a picture with the llamas and show Logan hehe. So..I will be posting that as soon as Epi allows me to use him computer

Excuse my wife. She seldom gets out.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

I'm tempted to vote for you just for this.

Making a joke?

Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.

Um, you're lazy and get back to work!

Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

Chris wrote:How is it that Epig got HALF the votes yesterday, and today he's not even an afterthought?

I didn't get half the votes. You should know that much.

juliets wrote:Epi I've been mostly focused on the whole LD portion of the case against you but since that is cleared up I need to think about your baddie hunting. The claim against you seems fair - I haven't seen you baddie hunt in your normal aggressive style. The style you used with me, even though I was good. What's going on with the baddie-hunting since you subbed back in? If you've answered this amidst all the other lie detector stuff I missed it.

I don't think this reasoning is fair at all: I'm either aggressive and therefore bad (see Ep1) or not aggressive enough and therefore bad.
I was adamant about Enrique getting lynched when I came back, and argued hard against him. Once Enrique was finally lynched (on Day 5), I've had to defend myself, and that's all I really got to do Day 6.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.

Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.

Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.

She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.

Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.

To summarize it:

Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.

I think you are purposefully taking Roxy literally when she clearly meant something else, tbh.

Clearly? Then please tell me what she meant. Because I'm not seeing it.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.

Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.

Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.

She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.

Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.

To summarize it:

Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.

Hedgeowl wrote:So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.

If I am understanding your question correctly...

I made this post on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:26 pm:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:Epig, do you think my concerns with Made are valid?

English teacher fail.

I didn't directly address your question at all.

Dom wrote:Initially, Made said he missed something I said, and subsequently said he misread it. I thought teammates had filled him in on something, and he screwed up. I pressured. Response: lashing out, no u, misrepresentation. Then, he got very angry, and that read as even more baddie. He seems cornered.

It has also been said that Made has been behaving differently than in other games. My sample size is small, but I'd say "lashing out, no u, misrepresentation" is par for the course when he's good.

If I am suspicious of Made, it's because he's defended Enrique, who moves around more than Bill Clinton's underwear.

The post you listed from DF is from Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:40 pm, after my Saturday response to Dom.