The Syndicate

I'm a good boy.

You got two mafia deaths. Relax.

I've moved my vote.

That clears spacedaisy.

I voted S~V~S for now.

I don't approve.

Now I have to do all the damn work.

Thanks.

My top suspect is indeed S~V~S. The attempt to lynch G-Man looked like a Hail Mary rather than an honest attempt to sort out who is good and who is bad.

Scotty is the Agent of Fortune?

Counting posts is for bitches.

That'll do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Someone who knows S~V~S better than I do please analyze whatever this is.

I wouldn't dare.

I don't believe I need to explain that for the eleventh time.

None of that is helpful.

TMI?

I moved my vote to Scotty for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm satisfied. Which of the two would you consider the best lynch today? Perhaps Scotty, since he could resolve some of the lingering G-Man confusion. Perhaps S~V~S, who I think is more suspicious at face value.

I am open. :P

I got a few hours. Let me work.

Say a madman was threatening me right now, I'd say Scotty and S~V~S are the teammates.

It's back to the old fashioned way for me.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Have you ever dangled a baby in front of a shark to see what would happen? That's what I'm doing. Anyone wanna vote SVS?

This is post 22 of day 1... I think I'm clear.

Inquiry to if anyone wants to lynch svs is different than lynching svs. Never did I say I wanted svs and that people should lynch her.

What was your intent?

Provide an option for those who didn't want to vote Vompatti. As an American I believe in freedom, and I will share that freedom. Yo.

If you don't want SVS lynched, then why name her of all players?

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:No, I'd have preferred to lynch you or Sig. Was I ok with Vompatti's death though? Yes! It was exhilarating.

Your post history reveals some degree of faith in S~V~S. You said this about Vompatti:

DrWilgy wrote:I'm noticing the same things that others are about Vomps. His lust to survive is apparent. Unknown if it's a real spicy burrito or not. Knowing him, it could be as fake as I am on a rainy day. I'm ok with him dying and will change my vote.

Why did you elect to generate an S~V~S counterwagon to Vompatti?

@Eloh as well. To give the option. Nothing more. I didn't think that it would've been the choice vote anyways.

I don't mean to harp on it. But if you could just be a little more specific as to why you brought up SVS in particular, that'd be great.

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Eloh, SVS was the only other player with afew votes on her.

AH, got it. Thanks so much. Sorry I wasn't around for EoD.

Even still, if you thought SVS was civ, and didn't want her lynched, as you said, I am still confused you even offered her up. But I'm going to let it go for now. I don't like to fixate on one player/incident. Just know I will be watching you Isn't Mafia fun?!


N1#3

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?

I'm still confused as to why wilgy would say that he thinks SVS is civ and didn't want her lynched, but then goes and offers her name as an alternative lynch to vompatti. It just doesn't make sense. And I hate to fixate, I really do. I don't want to put myself in a position to tunnel. However, no one else has really said much today, so it's stlll in the forefront of my mind.

This looks like Eloh was trying to get something rolling on DrWilgy that she herself could distance from (see the underlined). That dance of raising the issue, letting it go, and then bringing it back up makes me think Wilgy is not on Elohcin's team.

So there's that.

As an auxiliary point, there's this:

Elohcin wrote:RIP sig.

JJJ and Wilgy, there is a lot of back and forth between you two as if you've decided you already trust one another. Am I correct in my analysis? If so, what makes you trusting.

JJJ, I can see where G-man thinks you are teasing a bit by not revealing your peek. You have info he thinks we need right away. However, I can also see why you would want to hold out a bit. I won't reveal what I think my understanding is so I don't ruin it for ya, in case I'm right.

2.01 - stealing G's numbering system because its just plain 'ol practical.

They had killed sig, and now it looks like her first order of business is fishing for the cop.

Elohcin wrote:Wilgy, I mist have missed it. Why did you vote JJJ?

2.03

linki: Much to consider G-man, huh. It could be either he is really helping, or have a scheme against us. I am very on the fence with JJJ.

linki linki linki.can I post now?

guess not....linki

"Very on the fence." That's the kind of language that lets mafia slide votes onto someone if the votes start going that way, but there's obviously no commitment. She was even piggybacking (her word) on my points against 3J. She also said this against 3J: "If you flip town, I will still not understand your game-play this game. And, I'm not sure how it will impact my thoughts on Epi" and later, "I see these points, but I don't think they defend the fact that you could be bad."

So for me, that removes 3J and Wilgy from the equation.

In the same post she voted 3J, there was this exchange:

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:
Elo: you seem more involved in this game than previous ones. Epi said you were more inclined to be preoccupied during games which is why you avoid the big jobs. This game you seem...eager, I guess? Dunno if there's anything to read from that.

I AM eager. I love playing Mafia when I can actually keep up and know what the hell is going on I am playing catch up today though. I have had a crapton of stuff to do today and this evening I am going out with the girls. So I am sitting here with a pile of laundry in front of me that I intended to sit down an fold, and instead I am talking to you and reading the thread

I see no reason why either of these posts exist.

Elohcin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

G-Man wrote:Boy, this day just gets stranger and stranger. Eight votes spread over seven people, including a Sadness style self-vote? This doesn't give me much hope.


2.25

I'm not sad. I'm just aware my attention is going somewhere else at the moment so I can't adequately choose a better option for right now.

Love you SD, but I can never see a reason to vote oneself. You have at least a slim chance at catching a baddie by voting someone other than yourself if you are civ.

2.12

This is a veiled defense of spacedaisy.

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I voted for Eloh. Since she appears to be bad for sure, why backburner her?

B/c I just wanted to see how gullible you all were in a game where infodumping is allowed.

You are willing to get lynched as a civ over an opportunity to laugh at how gullible the rest of us are?

Linki, I have barely read the thread, and I am the suck at hints for the most part. I read into what people say, I don't spend a lot of time on surface questions. One of the reason I don't like playing games with hints allowed.

Yes, actually. Because I'm a little fed up with all the cop claiming and peek claiming. It's becoming very annoying and I don't think it helps find baddies whatsoever.

I still am not sure how to understand this.

That's all stuff before she came back and gave detailed opinions on S~V~S, rabbit, and G-Man.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

What?

Just jivin' with ya man.

I have a dumbass peek on JJJ. Anybody ever had one of those?

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:EST

Poll runs till Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:45 pm

How is this poll still alive?

Must be cause it ends tomorrow.

It's been Friday here all week.

EST

Poll runs till Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:45 pm

How is this poll still alive?

Then again, G-Man is still alive. I'm voting him instead. Wilgy jailing cop doesn't prevent the kill if it's just a block and G-Man is a cop.

Voted S~V~S. I don't have any confidence in this lynch.

Quin wrote:I'm going to recycle my cases on rabbit sometime today because I am thoroughly peeved that it's not gaining any traction. I think he is much more likely to be bad than SVS.

How much traction do you need? I'm here. I haven't voted. I'll wait until the last minute.

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think that looks bad because she was actually entertaining the notion that Elohcin might be a civilian based upon the most obvious lie in the thread (the one she was responding to with the three laughter emojis).

I have barely read the thread. I would not know the most obvious lie in this thread if it bit me in the ass. And you are trying to make it bite me in the ass.

You are reading incredibly into this. I am a plain vanilla civ. And that's the truth. G Man on the other hand is lying. He "feels" to me exactly as he did when I read his posts in BSG (even before I *knew* he was bad, I just KNEW it, you know?).

G Man threw her under the bus.

I don't know. How did you read his posts in BSG and just know? What gave you those feelings from his posts?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think that looks bad because she was actually entertaining the notion that Elohcin might be a civilian based upon the most obvious lie in the thread (the one she was responding to with the three laughter emojis).

S~V~S would respond that way though. Perhaps I'm reading that exchange incorrectly.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I voted for Eloh. Since she appears to be bad for sure, why backburner her?

B/c I just wanted to see how gullible you all were in a game where infodumping is allowed.

You are willing to get lynched as a civ over an opportunity to laugh at how gullible the rest of us are?

Linki, I have barely read the thread, and I am the suck at hints for the most part. I read into what people say, I don't spend a lot of time on surface questions. One of the reason I don't like playing games with hints allowed.

This tiny tiff is the only thing keeping me from thinking S~V~S is bad.

So your brain is telling you n00b h0st?

I cannot reconcile the term "jailer" being used when the actual role is blocker only. So for simplicity, I'm going to use the terminology that fits.

There was no kill.
G-Man got no role check.

Wilgy claims he "jailed" G-Man, whereas G-Man said he was told he was "blocked."

One of them is bad.

Who was bad in that besides MP?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The proper jailkeeper has existed before on The Syndicate.

Link

I was killed as soon as I replaced in, so I never followed it.

I looked up jailer. It isn't "role blocker," and in every instance I've seen something like a "jailer" around here, it meant silence and prevent from voting, or some such thing. I have never seen block and protect (which makes sense for its name) here. I am skeptical of this claim.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Took a piss and thought of this:

Lynch G-Man. If he's a cop, it proves there is a blocker, and the blocker is mafia. If he's mafia, great, and it is serious evidence the blocker is a civilian.

Great theory, until, you know, we lynch the cop.

The cop who should be dead by now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Took a piss and thought of this:

Lynch G-Man. If he's a cop, it proves there is a blocker, and the blocker is mafia. If he's mafia, great, and it is serious evidence the blocker is a civilian.

If there's a civilian blocker, he or she needs to just claim that shit right now.

Not I, said the skeletor.

Took a piss and thought of this:

Lynch G-Man. If he's a cop, it proves there is a blocker, and the blocker is mafia. If he's mafia, great, and it is serious evidence the blocker is a civilian.

Scratch that.

"Need another beer" and "My ass hurts from driving all day."

Don't have any.

My my.

None of that changes my opinion on G-Man.

I changed my vote to you holmes.

If your vague hint was so obvious, you should have been killed Night 2. You weren't. And you weren't saved either. Somebody else died.

G-Man wrote:But there's also this:

G-Man wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I'm voting INH.

Bah! You fool. INH is a vanilla civ!


2.32

A little less vague than my vague hint, no?

3.16

It's so hard calling somebody a vanilla civilian when you're bad.

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Some things to be attentive to:

We started with 14 players and are now down 4, all town. I think that means that the most likely current ratio is 6 townies to 3 baddies to 1 independent. Those aren't great numbers, even considering we're about to eliminate a baddie. That could be one mislynch short of LyLo, no matter when the mislynch takes place. Scotty's role could also add complications if he is anti-town (a demo man is a possibility, or alternating night kills between he and the baddies).

The number of power roles and how they are distributed is dependent upon Rico's interpretation of the heist game guidelines. If he interpreted "three power role limit" to mean "just for the town faction", then that's quite different to "for all factions combined". I am inclined to think with the latter mindset, because it is the more dangerous scenario and thus the one best to be prepared for. We have one cop and one unknown independent -- that'd leave room for one more non-vanilla role. It could be on the baddie side, perhaps a godfather. Given the original numbers though (10:3:1), I think it's more likely to be on the town side, most likely the doctor who will be keeping our cop alive through Night 3.

G-Man wrote:Big baddie Elohcin needs to die.


3.01

No proof there's a cop in play. G-Man makes the power play. People bought what he was selling without question. Scotty denies being independent.

Bemoaning to rabbit that INH was a vanilla civ right before he flipped vanilla civ was just ballsy and lucky then?


3.15

It's a chance I would take.

G-Man wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

G-Man wrote:Bitch rabbit I told you so.

RIP INH

2.01.N

This proves JJJ is bad?
Sorry INH. I had no idea, your posts were lacking.

Barely if at all. What I meant was I told you INH was a civ. I dropped a vague hint once already defending him this game. Oh well. Now we're stuck with rehashing Day 2's talking points for another day. Joy of joys.


2.02.N

You dropped a vague hint.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Some things to be attentive to:

We started with 14 players and are now down 4, all town. I think that means that the most likely current ratio is 6 townies to 3 baddies to 1 independent. Those aren't great numbers, even considering we're about to eliminate a baddie. That could be one mislynch short of LyLo, no matter when the mislynch takes place. Scotty's role could also add complications if he is anti-town (a demo man is a possibility, or alternating night kills between he and the baddies).

The number of power roles and how they are distributed is dependent upon Rico's interpretation of the heist game guidelines. If he interpreted "three power role limit" to mean "just for the town faction", then that's quite different to "for all factions combined". I am inclined to think with the latter mindset, because it is the more dangerous scenario and thus the one best to be prepared for. We have one cop and one unknown independent -- that'd leave room for one more non-vanilla role. It could be on the baddie side, perhaps a godfather. Given the original numbers though (10:3:1), I think it's more likely to be on the town side, most likely the doctor who will be keeping our cop alive through Night 3.

G-Man wrote:Big baddie Elohcin needs to die.


3.01

No proof there's a cop in play. G-Man makes the power play. People bought what he was selling without question. Scotty denies being independent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have to offer this as Devil's Advocate:

If she's bad...didn't anybody on her team explain how this setup works?

Might be a good reason to dissociate her from Daisy, who experienced the best benefits of cop cover first hand in Arrested Development. She'd be better prepared for this stuff from the other side than most others here.

If she is in fact bad, that has to be some weak BTSCing, which leads me to suspect the lower participants.

And that is something that dampens my 3J perspective. Would you, as her teammate, leave her ignorant of this setup? I don't think you would. That is something I will have to think through.

If she is good though? You and G-Man will feel my wrath.

I have to offer this as Devil's Advocate:

If she's bad...didn't anybody on her team explain how this setup works?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The latter. Fraudulent.

So you believe that Wilgy distanced from me, and then after the votes fell on me from yourself, Elohcin, and G-Man, Wilgy jumped to a townie opportunistically, and I am suspicious for joining him there?

If that's accurate, I think it's somewhat reasonable. I think it loses it's steam when DrWilgy makes his claim that he meant to blindside me wasn't able to do so. If we're team mates, then he is guilty of generating a very blatant, unnecessary link between he and I. The movement of the vote might already be some manner of link, but it'd be navigable. That ceases to be true when me makes that claim before I even die. My role is not revealed. Nobody knows for sure if I am bad. He stands nothing to gain by pretending he wanted to blindside me; he gains no civilian credit. I am an unknown entity. It doesn't make sense. The only thing that can come from that is his being linked more securely to me than he was before -- as you are doing right now.

DrWilgy is not an inattentive player.

DrWilgy has to explain his moved vote somehow. This gives him some deniability either way.

I'm arguing with the guy who thinks I got fooled by sig and some inactive. Maybe I am an inattentive player.

I need to go to bed.