The Syndicate

lol

Ricochet, I don't think S~V~S is trying to frustrate you or misunderstand you.

If you want my advice, upload your screenshot to an online photo site (like photobucket), right click the image, and click "view image." Then, copy and paste the image url into your post. Finally, instead of using the url tags, use the img tags. Your image should appear in the thread without anyone having to click a link.

It isn't possible to upload an Excel or Word Doc file to the thread, though. Just the image.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Interesting...the longer you lasted, the more roles you could step into and thus increase your chance of winning.

Not me, I knew my goose was cooked as soon as the BTSC groups all excluded me. I knew that if I didn't get killed Night 1 (which I was), I would be lynched Day 2. So I ran with it.

I remember saying something about being excited to play with you again. I rescind that statement.

I asked Black Rock who she wanted to die.

Interesting...the longer you lasted, the more roles you could step into and thus increase your chance of winning.

Not me, I knew my goose was cooked as soon as the BTSC groups all excluded me. I knew that if I didn't get killed Night 1 (which I was), I would be lynched Day 2. So I ran with it.

Roxy

S~V~S wrote:Good to know.

Books are expensive in Hkoe Countty.

FZ. wrote:How could he know that?

I can read k

Dang auto correct.

I meant, "Helping you understand what's going on."

Now that the Game of Champions is over, I can spend more quality time making all of you think things that aren't true.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hence my Weather/Hunger theory. I can't think of anything else.

Cool theory. I use a secret lynch save no one knows about instead of just voting LC on the fly and keeping it. You should write more of those.

Now, if you will excuse me, I must go write my post for Night 11 of The Syndicate's 2014 Game of Infodumpers and Role-Outers.

S~V~S wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Can we not lynch Epi? I wanted to play mafia with him.

Agreed. I thought I'd see some insight reading through the thread why he and LC are the top candidates. It seems Epi's being voted for being Epi. Let the man play, for God's sake! :P LC seems to be voted because of (possibly fake?) infodumping, even though others have seemingly done the same, and given this as a reason to vote Epi (the whole "it's probability" thing). And now LC's voted himself. So many self votes and switches. Is there something I'm missing? There's definitely some weirdness going on here. Weird game. So let's make it interesting.

Let's make it a tie and see what happens.

I thought people were voting for Epi becasue of FZ's theory about probability. I voted for him because of how he reacted to my vote for Zomba. I think he knows I am not bad, and he voted for me anyhow.

In any case all the self voting, yikes.

I didn't vote for you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Only one theory springs to mind since there is no apparent lunch stop:

Epi is either Hunger or Winter and the "secrets" that he was talking about is that one or both of them has a lunch stop.

Hence why he didn't care using it up, since he'll probably switch out anyway, and it hurts the baddie team a bit.

That's all I got.

Jacob Donner - Brother/Father - You have a secret stash of food giving him the chance to prevent one lunch from happening.

I'm totally Jacob Donner. Elizabeth was just mad at me the other day because I had too much to drink.

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what...



oohh

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:And Epi re-self-voted. Huh.

LOLWTF

This game is so crazy already.

I'm seriously laughing to myself right now. Kind of uncontrollably.

I had the same reaction. I can't believe Epi just voted to kill himself. Lol.

nijuukyugou wrote:And Epi re-self-voted. Huh.

Oops.

Slipped.

S~V~S wrote:It might work in his favor if he unvotes himself

Nah.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:She danced around a vote for me.

She easily voted for you when she had elsewhere expressed a distaste for voting for new people (welcome by the way).

She criticized my methods but didn't vote for me.

All of this is antithetical to what I believe a good S~V~S would do.

Nah, I am good. And I think you know it. We can change votes here unlike in Film. But I totally dislike her analysis on Snowman, whom I believe to be good.

So this reaction makes me feel OK about switching my vote to you. Thanks for giving me a clear reaction so quickly

Ah. Again with what I know.

So something you posted weeks ago in another game before this game began was something you were cognizant of when you voted for Zomberella in order to gauge my reaction?

Talk about skillful planning.

She danced around a vote for me.

She easily voted for you when she had elsewhere expressed a distaste for voting for new people (welcome by the way).

She criticized my methods but didn't vote for me.

All of this is antithetical to what I believe a good S~V~S would do.

I've changed by vote to S~V~S for now.

In the interest of self-interest and in the preservation of self-preservation:

Epignosis
5
Snowman (3), MovingPictures07 (7), FZ. (8), Russtifinko (9), Black Rock (11)
38%

Your champion "baddie hunters."

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

I still may vote an infodumper. It seems there was some confusion about what constituted info dumping in this game, so I may give BOTD. And there's this, which MP is entirely right about:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Long Con wrote:I am not really considering an Epignosis vote today, but I may vote one of the sudden bandwagoners.

Why? And who would you count as a bandwagoner, anyone who's voted for him?

Epignosis wrote:Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

MM has never not self-voted on Day 1 that I remember. And personally, I think your behavior is either your typical "vote for me cuz I act bad but then I'll start acting good and flip it on the weakest bandwagon voter" Day 1 shtick, or you're acting like it is and you really are bad. Right now I'm leaning the second. Convince me otherwise.

Nah.

Giving up what?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

You voted for yourself and continuously refused to mention a better option for our vote. I therefore voted for you. You have said you are fine with your situation.

Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

I also said I could move my vote, so if I'm convinced it makes more sense elsewhere, I'll change it, but I don't believe that's the case at the moment.

Mmm hmm.

Metalmarsh89 votes for himself to "see" if votes are changeable. That strikes me as a way of avoiding Day 1 altogether. You say nothing about that. BTSC I assume. Fine.

I vote for myself (which I never do) and it's because I'm not "baddie hunting." Oh come now. Your interpretation of what I'm doing is that I've given up?

S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote now since we can change. Voting for Zomberella; I was not a fan of her assessment of Snowmans. I know she knows him irl, but i thought she was putting the most sinister twist possible on his thoughts.

Took me longer than I wanted, but I found a post I was looking for. From elsewhere:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.

Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.

S~V~S wrote:Semantics. You know what i meant. People who try to feel superior through word quibbles are not scary, IMO. You used to scare me, but i found a new POV.

I didn't know what you meant. I respect people enough to go by the words they use and not what I assume they mean. At least I try to, because it drives me crazy when I attempt to be as clear as possible in my meaning but someone assumes I meant something different.

S~V~S wrote:Flase. You talk about how scary you are all the time.

You said that I always feel I'm a threat. That's not true, regardless of what I say in the thread.

S~V~S wrote:Why is everyone voting already? Why did Epi self vote?

I have to catch up to the film thread, but will bbl to read back.

Two reasons. I've never self-voted before, but votes are changeable, so what the hell. It's amusing that a bandwagon begins on me with nearly 24 hours left to go. One of my voters has accused me of "not baddie hunting." This is a criticism MP raises against me every game when he wants to vote for me. I never do enough for him. So it's amusing to me that he didn't look at MM, who self-voted, or Black Rock, who couldn't be bothered to look at the date on the poll but she's not changing her mind, or Russ, who voted for me because I apparently don't mind but he would rather lynch info-dumpers but won't vote for one of them either.

Impressive "baddie hunting" all around, I must say.

S~V~S wrote:Epi always feels that he is a threat,

Ha, not at all. The trick is in making other people think you are not a threat while actually being one. How I feel about myself is irrelevant.

FZ. wrote:I think at this point, the most probable theory is that Epi is Watsach. I also think he's BSing us in case there's a team trying to come up with a game strategy for later, and for the chance that he stays a baddie.

I'll be going in a few minutes, and tomorrow I'll barely be here if any. I see no reason to not vote Epi.

You don't trust me.

You will soon enough.

Everyone at this point can't know what I'm talking about, but I have to believe at least a few others do. It makes sense why there's all this civilian BTSC and why stuff will shift the way it will (although how things shift is still cloudy to me).

I'll just say this: Do you see secrets by any of the roles? I don't, but that doesn't mean they aren't there, aren't changing, and don't affect win conditions.

Pro-Tip: Be careful whom you trust from this point on.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, it appears Epi has voted himself, and clearly isn't baddie hunting. Shame since I was looking forward to playing a game with him and I agreed with his observations re: Russ's points, but I don't envy the situation he's been put in.

I can always move it later, but I see no reason to wait now. Still curious why Snowman voted him nonetheless.

Votes Epi

Oh, I don't mind my situation at all.

After Night 0, some of the mechanics became clear to me. Not all of them, mind you. Interesting stuff if my interpretation is not in error. I'm not going to spoil anything. I'd wager that some of you also know what I'm talking about.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry if what I said was considered as infodumping, but I could be lying, and I could be a baddie in the other group. It doesn't make my case any less compelling. Which is, since Epi let us know he's not a Donner, each and everyone of us can now deduct what are the chances of him being bad.

My vote will most likely go to Epig or Russ

I didn't let you know that. Elizabeth did.

True. Still, too bad for you

Yep. Too bad for me. A real pity.

You might even say it's eating me up inside.

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry if what I said was considered as infodumping, but I could be lying, and I could be a baddie in the other group. It doesn't make my case any less compelling. Which is, since Epi let us know he's not a Donner, each and everyone of us can now deduct what are the chances of him being bad.

My vote will most likely go to Epig or Russ

I didn't let you know that. Elizabeth did.

Long Con wrote:Epig's not on my Civvie team either.

Now I have an 83% chance of being bad.

I really don't see how what I said has anything to do with people needing to fear certain people getting evil roles. My record alone shows that I'm far more dangerous as Mafia than as a civilian, but that's irrelevant.

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I realize now that there will be at least some semblance of evidence, even on D1. Because there is so much BTSC, obviously players will be hesitant to lynch anyone else in their own BTSC group. Typically, civilians would be hesitant to defend teammates, but in a game such as this where roles and alignments could switch, there is less incentive to worry about being NKed as a result of defending a civilian teammate. Of course, baddies will be doing this as well, but even if roles are switching, we should still be able to compile information at snapshots, rather than over time.

As to the first part of this post, MP, why not? If were all switching anyway, I can't see any reason at all not to push for the lynch of my current teammates.

Unless of course they would all turn and vote for me for voting one of them, but that assumes they ascribe to an unwritten code of not lynching BTSC mates that really holds no value for them, and that they have arbitrary but strong and misplaced senses of justice.

Unless Russ admitted to being bad in this post, then he suggested lynching civilians because "we're all switching anyway."

Russtifinko wrote:I suppose it all depends on how often you expect roles to switch. Based on what I've read, it seems likely they'll switch a lot, in which case there's no reason not to lynch your BTSC-mates (unless they do stop completely, in which case you've likely screwed yourself). Other players seem to expect relatively little switching, at least across alignments, and it that case it does make more sense to look outside your group.

However, MP raises probably the best point for lynching your teammates. If you have a chance to switch and your teammates have figured out a way to catch you in a lie once you do, they're the people you need dead most in the game. So he's actually supporting my argument even though he says he's against it.

And Russ double-downed on that position.

Am I reading Russ' suggestion incorrectly?

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The idea of lynching someone preemptively in case that person would inherit a bad role in the future does nothing but eliminate civilian roles.

That's...not a winning strategy.

Please point me to where that has been said.

No one has proposed this.

No one?

Man, I stink at Mafia.

Dom wrote:And if this were the case, you have a pretty big chip on your shoulder if you think MP and yourself are the only two players we should "fear" getting baddie roles.

I'm holding a grudge because I think lynching current civilians before they get a new role is a lousy idea and therefore I think that MP and I should be feared?

Dom wrote:wat

The idea of lynching someone preemptively in case that person would inherit a bad role in the future does nothing but eliminate civilian roles.

That's...not a winning strategy.

Elizabeth Donner - Wife of Jacob - You can post 20 words to the thread each night via the Host.

I counted thirty-five words in that message, Mrs. Donner. Thirty-five. Tsk. tsk.

That's okay. I now know who you are.

Roxy wrote:Epi has won by a landslide in a solo victory!
Congrats Epi!

Are you bad? Then yes, I am accusing you.

Are you good? Then nope! Just passing by.

Snowman wrote:Why indeed, and why is Epignosis trying so hard to stir the pot? Guilty much?

Ooo...you are good.

Nice avatar.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Since I can't die, I'm going to just say that Ricochet sounds like a newbie bad guy to me.

Why?

It doesn't matter anymore. Dom vouched for him.

I'll just wait until I think Ricochet has a bad role and then I'll push for his lynch.

Zomberella12 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Since I can't die, I'm going to just say that Ricochet sounds like a newbie bad guy to me.

He's in another game too

Ah, so you're defending him then.

Got it.

Touches nose.

Moves on.

He who smelt it, dealt it.

Infodumping.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Since I can't die, I'm going to just say that Ricochet sounds like a newbie bad guy to me.

He's in another game too

Ah, so you're defending him then.

Got it.

Touches nose.

Moves on.

Since I can't die, I'm going to just say that Ricochet sounds like a newbie bad guy to me.

S~V~S wrote:You taste like calf testicles?

I'm udderly fantastic and full of bull, so I guess.

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about we lynch Epi on D1?

I taste terrible. Unless you like Rocky Mountain Oysters.

Ricochet wrote:I always eat in a hurry.

How are you enjoying being bad in a game?

Roxy wrote:

That's fucked up right there.














I mean, dude, make conversation at dinner. It isn't polite to gobble down your meal.

I am Skeletor, the evil Lord of Snake Mountain. Also, I am already partly a skeleton.

Snowman wrote:Hmm, maybe the poll is some sort of randomizer, or just a meaningless diversion then.

So are in daytime, nighttime, or is it still pregame right now?

I think this is pregame. When all our names are up there to be voted on, that's Day.

Snowman wrote:Can anyone in simple, non spoiler terms explain to me what I'm voting for? Do the coals correspond to players? When /how do I use my power?

Hello friend.

No one knows what the options in the poll mean. Good luck with that, I guess!

In Mafia, you vote for someone to be out of the game during "Day." That will be in about 42 hours (I think).

During the "Night," you use your power, usually by sending a PM to the Host (Roxy in this case).

I hope you have fun. Let me or anyone else know if you have any other questions.