The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:As mafia, were you informed if you got the most votes to ask a question? Did that have anything to do with your case on Hedgeowl?

I was, and yes.

Night 1, we talked a little about killing based on avatars, but decided that killing whomever we deemed likely to win the question was the better strategy. Ultimately, it pretty much came down to taking out whomever was being the loudest at Night.

I was indeed out. Buying more beer and dirt.

And going to the bank and the hardware store downtown to drop off a package for UPS. Busy day.

I was apprehensive all morning yesterday that you weren't buying what I was selling, MM, and that you would persuade others to vote Golden.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Epi planned to to bus me hard since d1 to gain cred, and I played along. Getting me lynched was not the goal, but we figured out that if I managed to survive long enough it would give Epi enough cred to win us the game in the long term. He was worried the question system would make the game really complicated for us so he wanted to make strategic bussing from the start.

On d2, when I made that slip with G-Man and he voted me, it became clear I was going down. So the team literally threw me under the bus. Again, I just played along.

Golden wasn't bussing me from the start like Epi was, but he did it on d2 after we decided to sacrifice me.

My friend DDL has pretty much summed it up.

Except that we did not literally throw him under a bus.

That would be painful for him.

Ricochet wrote:If I wouldn't have been a victim of it, all the WIFOM killing spree would have, in principle, made me doubt a bit that Llama is doing it on purpose and that someone else (like Epi ) is messing with it, if only he wouldn't continued to do scummy things, like bantering about how the kills are oh so lame. I've never seen him ever make such comments in previous games (where he was civ or indie all the time) and it kept my belief, even from the sidelines, that he has to be bad all the way until he flipped.

Anyway, all of this is perfect WIFOM material for a future game... whichever future game, which is simply ironic.

Thank God llama and I are hosting the next two.

You're slow.

Epignosis wrote:I want to mention this post from sign-ups

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and predict that the baddies get crushed in this game. I hope I am not among their number.

and add "Neener neener neener."

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I told you Golden was Mafia! I'm really surprised about Epi though.

Dude, you had us feeling RUINED. We thought you had info on Golden the entire time, and we strove to lynch you anyway, knowing we would have to deal with the fallout.

Then you posted that you never got a question and we were like, "OH THANK GOD."

I was certain that you would never have allowed such obvious NKs. I see I misunderestimated you again.

Here's a thought: Civilians shouldn't put their cards on the table at night.

thellama73 wrote:I told you Golden was Mafia! I'm really surprised about Epi though.

Dude, you had us feeling RUINED. We thought you had info on Golden the entire time, and we strove to lynch you anyway, knowing we would have to deal with the fallout.

Then you posted that you never got a question and we were like, "OH THANK GOD."

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Rico: you were pretty active on night 1, building big posts against llama and all, so we assumed you were a likely receiver of the question. We decided pretty much every kill in the game based on that.

Correct. And it was only happenstance that all of them suspected llama right before they died. So I used that to make llama look bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I TOLD YOU GUYS. I TOLD THE GODAMN TIE WAS GONNA BE MY DOWNFALL

We shouldn't have killed Ricochet on D1.

Well, I'm not complaining, we won.

We were in a to-do over that tie.

nijuukyugou wrote:K going back to "never trusting anyone again, ever" :P

Good game!

Hey! Tanks for dem questions.

I want to mention this post from sign-ups

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and predict that the baddies get crushed in this game. I hope I am not among their number.

and add "Neener neener neener."

This marks a first for me as well: Despite winning a lot as Mafia, I have never thrown a member of my team under the bus Day 1.

Now, a question for you, MM:

You seemed not to notice that I had voted for Hedgeowl, and proceeded with assumptions around timmer and nijuu. When I clarified about Hedgeowl, you insinuated that I don't care about this lynch, posted the eye, and then asked for the reason I voted Hedgeowl.

What are your current thoughts on Hedgeowl?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thank you.

What is your reason for voting for Hedgeowl?

Here we go:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Oh hi guys, what's happening? This game is starting just as I am about to go out of town for Independence Day, so that's awesome. I won't miss votes though, because I CARE!

SVS+Llama = Care Bear

In this post, she says she won't miss votes because she cares. This is the emptiest promise I've heard since Obama was up for reelection.

Hedgeowl wrote:Big voting fail! So sorry, but blanked on 24 hours and had guests too late by the time I realized my error.

Sorry to see you go TH, since I didn't get to play with you at all really.

Big voting fail. Like the Obama voters. Right?

Hedgeowl wrote:I see I am not the only vote loser. Sorry, this weekend got way too busy and my little guy has decided bedtimes are for babies, so my evening mafia time has been usurped.

Back in the saddle this week though. congrats on the lynch to everyone who took him down!

This post mentions saddles and lynches, so I can only conclude that Hedgeowl is a white supremacist.

Hedgeowl wrote:Vote fail again...Sorry this voting while I make dinner clearly isn't working for me. I will try voting earlier, but it's always hard to do in 24 hr games when so much happens right at the lynch. Catching up and voting in Bullets now, but will do reading tonight. Sorry to be the invisible person this game.

Linki hey good job everyone!

Voting while she made dinner. Bet it was bean dip.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Boo!

Hedgebaddie is so going down tomorrow.

I am basically a mafia fail right now. We are leaving for 10 days tomorrow to Wisconsin and I have been working like crazy to get us all ready. Plus have an all day workshop today and tomorrow. I apologize to everyone and Elo for my total not cutting it this game. I dont think its going to get any better on vacation since we will be with a lot of family all week long.

Now Hedgeowl is a Scott Walker devotee. Some loyalty there.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Boo!

Hedgebaddie is so going down tomorrow.

Oh yes use the strategy that worked so well for you in the last 2 low poster lynches.

Gambler's fallacy.

Oh please, I havent even read the thread from last lynch and I can tell you're bad. You're going for the low hanging fruit apparently, conveniently using the Hedgebaddie nickname once again, but actually targeting me as if that makes it some how legitimate and your vote for BR last lynch was so slim shady Eminem was embarrassed for you. Just looking at the poll, you can take no credit for lynching daisy and tied up BR when daisy had two votes.

This is the first suspicion Hedgeowl named. thellama73 was good. Black Rock was good.

Hedgeowl mentions low hanging fruit, so she must be with the GREEN party now.

Plus there are llama droppings for manure.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Here is a llama movie.

Too bad the llama is not a symbol of a political party in this country. I could make a lot of comments.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Good thing I don't have to worry about you voting for me then, O for Four.

I'll think about making an exception for my good friend rama llama baddie-dingdong.

llama is bad. Still didn't vote.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yes, yes, three people keep saying they wouldn't mind seeing me lynched, but there has been very little talk of why. You don't like that I like to lynch non-participants, you don't like that I am a bit flippant, I get it. Those are emotional responses, not good reasons for a lynch.

If there are three of us, then I'll be interested to see which one of us you decide to kill tonight sir!

Such discourse plants her firmly in the camp of the North Koreans.

I believe Hedgeowl is Mafia. I have used her posts to show how that is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I take it this lynch does not mean that much to you?

If that's what you take, then that's what you take.

I am good with my vote.

You took the time to make a case on llama yesterday to justify your vote, even bringing up the fact that he never interacted with nijuukyugou until his late baddie list. You even voted late to observe other voters.

But today you vote Hedgeowl early, with nary a previous suspicion of her.

You have summed up the situation admirably.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I take it this lynch does not mean that much to you?

If that's what you take, then that's what you take.

I am good with my vote.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Did I misunderstand your previous post where you asked for amnesty for potentially being partially correct about a llama/nijuukyugou duo?

Maybe you didn't see that I voted Hedgeowl?

I don't believe nijuukyugou is bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What about timmer?

This was his last on-topic post:

timmer wrote:

Golden wrote:Timmer, what is your view on llama?

I'm curious about his vows on Hedge. I could see a situation possible where Llama got to ask a question of the host, asked something like "is a baddie wearing a tiara?" And gor a yes. I could see that. Because all I see from hedges three posts is an absent player.

Apart from that I don't really have much in the way of thoughts.

He expressed Interest in whether or not llama got a question against Hedgeowl, but llama said he didn't get a question.

In hindsight, that post strikes me as paranoid. llama always goes after "Hedgebaddie." It's a thing of his.

My essay pairing llama and nijuukyugou together was unsatisfactory.

Needs improvement.

Please see the teacher.

Is partial credit allowed? Because I think the "silent partner" section of my paper is A+.

If anybody complains about my vote going for an inactive, I'll see you after school.

That's the bell.

I voted llama. I think I'm right.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'll vote either llama or nijuu. I predict they are the final two.

You waiting to see how nijuu will vote?

Now that you have voted, I will vote for you, and complete my master plan!

Just because I called timmer the sexiest player in this game?

timmer has weird extremities. Don't let his face fool you.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'll vote either llama or nijuu. I predict they are the final two.

You waiting to see how nijuu will vote?

Now that you have voted, I will vote for you, and complete my master plan!

I'll vote either llama or nijuu. I predict they are the final two.

Back. Beer and dirt acquired.

More things I've noticed:

thellama73 wrote: Probably Not Mafia
fingersplints
Missing Person
nijuukyugou
Roxy
G-Man
thellama73

This was after DDL got lynched, which nijuu happened to miss. Notice something funny about that list? Here:

thellama73 wrote: Probably Not Mafia
fingersplints
Missing Person
nijuukyugou
Roxy
G-Man
thellama73

I searched llama's posts using "nijuu," "ninja," and "blooper," and the only mention or interaction whatsoever is this:

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Catching up. Stand by.

You're the best, Blooper.

That's it.

thellama73 has no qualms voting off low-participators. He voted for Turnip Head. He voted for Missing Person. He wanted to lynch Hedgeowl. Yet no mention of nijuukyugou, who has 12 posts and one missing vote, and is the only living person in his green span (haha, that's an economics joke).

I go to sleep and three people vote.

Ricochet suspected thellama73. Ricochet died.
G-Man listed thellama73 as a "maybe Mafia." G-Man died.
fingersplints named thellama73 as her biggest suspect. fingersplints died.
Roxy wanted to lynch thellama73. Roxy died.

I could see llama executing these four and then mocking the kills; the (secretly) self-depreciating humor would amuse him.

His first two votes were inconsequential, but the Day 3 vote tied it up between Black Rock and spacedaisy. After spacedaisy got lynched, llama reiterated his suspicion of Black Rock, and doesn't mention her again until here. In the meantime, he suddenly became convinced to vote for Missing Person.

I have other things rolling around upstairs, but they will have to wait until I get back.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy beer and dirt.

Black Rock wrote:I am most interested to see what your assessment of Llama is.

This.

thellama73 wrote:Anyone think Hedgebaddie will make the vote today?

I'm going with "No."

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You do?

I don't.

Why not?

It's funny to me that you want reasons after you voted. Next time, maybe you'll discuss things before you vote, yeah?

But since you asked me a question:

I appreciated her assessment of me. An evil Roxy would try to crucify me if she thought I was wrong on something. And even though we disagree philosophically about low/non-posters, she's been (irritatingly) consistent on her stance.

So even if Missing Person is bad, I don't think Roxy is bad.

You do?

I don't.

nijuukyugou wrote:It'll do.

That's what she said.

nijuukyugou wrote:That was easy. I like this:

timmer wrote:Reading back further, the case that was brought out about DDL specifically mentioning that there would be a potential modkill of MP just adds to that. And Daisy suggested that MP should be given at least a day to get settled in, as well, so both of our baddies didn't seem to like the idea of people voting for MP. This may be enough for me to vote him today.

as well as the other supporting points about MP (basically I'm seeing the same thing being said regarding defense of inactives and MP being inactive, etc.). I'll go ahead and vote that way, too.

I wrote the original piece on Missing Person. You should be liking what I said.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My vote is still likely to go to Missing Person for the reasons I gave previously and are being reiterated today.

Since you yourself haven't done it, would you reiterate?

Here's what I posted.

My vote is still likely to go to Missing Person for the reasons I gave previously and are being reiterated today.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Black Rock, can you state a reason for your suspicion of Epignosis other than his vote which appears to be coincidental?

His vote is coincidental, anything else revolves around is close-mindedness concerning me. I'm not sure if that makes him bad but he looks more bad than other players right now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis is one player that you can throw conventional baddie teamplay out the window when you inspect his votes. On top of that, the lynch was still wide open when he voted.

It's true, he prides himself on being unpredictable. If Blooper is not the baddie, he probably is. Unless one of her teammates voted earlier for her in hopes that every one else would pile on me. It's not a perfect evaluation but I bet Llama or Blooper is her teammate. Llama looks really bad in my eyes right now.

Closed-mindedness?

I notice that your list of remaining teammates is literally anybody who voted and didn't vote spacedaisy. That's what I would call closed-minded.

I voted for Missing Person.

We've decided to spring for a pizza, so I need to get going.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:@epi - what do you think bad daisy would have done in that situation? I don't follow your train of thought here at all.

In what situation? Day 1 or Day 2?

Day 2.

Any vote she made at the time she made it was going to look bad. And, unless she had voted DDL Day 1, that was probably true then too.

From my experience in Death Note, bad spacedaisy is more fiery. Day 2, she didn't show up at all until the very end and voted you instead. I don't know what bad spacedaisy would do in that situation, but is what she did it? I don't think it is. If she is bad, then I don't think she talked strategy with her team. Or perhaps there's no one but DDL to talk to. I see him lurking.

To be fair, I applied this litmus test to Black Rock. What would Black Rock gain from trying to save DDL Day 1 and then miss the vote Day 2? That doesn't seem like her. I've never been on a team with spacedaisy, but I've been on one with her. Black Rock is a team player. So huh.

That leaves me with Missing Person. But I'm open to other ideas before I leave to thump on the bass like our dearly departed Chris Squire.

Golden wrote:@epi - what do you think bad daisy would have done in that situation? I don't follow your train of thought here at all.

In what situation? Day 1 or Day 2?

I don't believe spacedaisy is DDL's teammate. spacedaisy burned me bad in Death Note. She was devious, emotionally manipulative, and entirely deserving of the win. If she voted to save DDL Day 1, then what was the purpose of her voting Golden Day 2? What was their strategy as a team?

Makes no sense.

As I said earlier, I will be voting Black Rock or Missing Person.

Wish there was somebody to talk besides dead people.

I may vote for Missing Person.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Also, I'm announcing now that I will vote for Missing Person if there is no avatar by the time I leave for the airport tomorrow.

Is that even a good idea? If Missing Person doesn't put an avatar she's just going to get modkilled, right?

Where did you get that idea?

Addendum:

I didn't? It was just a guess. I've never played a game hosted by Elo so I don't know.

That's a pretty specific guess.

I guess? The point wasn't exactly about her getting modkilled or replaced, but about her getting dealt with by the host so we wouldn't have to worry about figuring out her alignment by ourselves.

Knowing that DDL was Mafia, I am going to again raise the question I implied here: What gave DDL the notion that Missing Person was going to get modkilled if no avatar was put in place? Perhaps it was stated in the initial team PM. I know the host likes to chat in chat, so maybe the issue was raised there.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: If she puts an avatar or gets replaced, we'll then be able to ask questions about her avatar. Problem solved.

I'm more suspicious of people who try to direct the game's attention into lynching inactives.

And voting for her until she puts up an avatar is a good way to incentivize the behavior I want. Lynching inactives is also a good way to have fewer inactives in this, and future games, which I like. If you think that makes me bad, vote for me, but don't pretend it is based on any kind of logic.

Well my goal here is to find mafia, not to fight inactivity, so I gotta disagree.

Keep in mind, that this conversation was about Missing Person, and DDL claims his goal was to find Mafia, and that he finds those who want to lynch an inactive is suspicious. Neither is the case, we know that now. Yet he voted for Missing Person Day 1 anyway. Why?

DDL asked Missing Person about Roxy and fingersplints and then...that's kind of it. DDL said he was keeping an eye on those interested in lynching inactive people. Why say that if you're Mafia, and then vote for someone who had been at one point and now is inactive?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm leaning on voting MP right now. Not much because of the avatar thing, but I didn't like the way he compared Roxy and splints, or the way he set a lynch between splints and llama. The whole thing felt forced to me.

Splints is somewhat suspicious for that matter, but my main reason for suspecting her was kind of shitty so I'm giving her a pass. Still not sure what to think of her sudden defense of MP.

The "pass" given to fingersplints is funny to me, because Missing Person's last post was:

Missing Person wrote:I completely overslept and missed deadline.

Unless things change, I'm probably voting splints next phase.

Something to keep in mind.

I'll be voting Black Rock or Missing Person, methinks.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:also Pretty Boy how do you feel about MM now?

This was to the pink and pretty Epi

Sorry. I passed this by not knowing it was to me.

MM is in my naughty list because he didn't vote.

Lots of people voted Day 1. DDL was in trouble.

Few people voted Day 2. DDL was in trouble.

I think DDL has a team that got busy and didn't show Day 2.

Like Black Rock.

I'm sorry if you don't like to vote Black Rock. Given the shit that has gone down, she remains my top suspect.

Addendum: I don't mind being closed-minded when it comes to Mafia.

I can't wait to prove you wrong.

Well, if you can do that, please do that now. You saying that doesn't help you.

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:also Pretty Boy how do you feel about MM now?

This was to the pink and pretty Epi

Sorry. I passed this by not knowing it was to me.

MM is in my naughty list because he didn't vote.

Lots of people voted Day 1. DDL was in trouble.

Few people voted Day 2. DDL was in trouble.

I think DDL has a team that got busy and didn't show Day 2.

Like Black Rock.

I'm sorry if you don't like to vote Black Rock. Given the shit that has gone down, she remains my top suspect.

Addendum: I don't mind being closed-minded when it comes to Mafia.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:That... is very bad. Damn. You will be missed, G-Man.

And not surprising. The previous kill was an analytical guy who talked at night.

My opinion hasn't changed on Black Rock.

It doesn't bother you that a known baddie was trying to get me lynched?

No. And I don't think he was trying to get you lynched.

I'm trying to get you lynched.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm noticing nobody living is talking about Black Rock. Is there a reason for that?

Mostly bc I do not feel the way you do about her.

Be honest with me here: Do you ever suspect BR? I can't think of one time you have.

Sure I have - we have played many games together across different sites. Riddle me this - why do you suspect her more than others that made that vote or another?

What is "That vote or another?" Who are the others? Do you mean the Turnip Head vote?

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:G-Man is making strange posts calling me strange.

I cannot win at this game.

Tell me about it, I'm bad in every game.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm noticing nobody living is talking about Black Rock. Is there a reason for that?

Mostly bc I do not feel the way you do about her.

Be honest with me here: Do you ever suspect BR? I can't think of one time you have.