The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

sig wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why are we not bandwagoning sig? It's Day 1, people.

Hush you.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:Do I like CFDs? No
However, if we are to CFD I'd want it to be one someone who I think is mafia and there is a larger chance he is mafia then inaword.

Well, in this you are ignoring the fact that in Turf Wars, the CFD happened because a bunch of people didn't like the candidates on the table and we thought there was a better chance of Fuzz being mafia than the two candidates who were on the table.

It's not like anyone said 'a CFD would be fun, why not?' Of course it is only a good tactic if you don't want any of the existing candidates lynched.

Similarly, I wouldn't have just made a three way tie if I felt any of the three candidates were people I felt strongly about not lynching. In Champs, I didn't like a big tie because I felt strongly that two of the candidates were town. It all comes down to how you feel about the people on the block, ultimately.

The bittersweet reality of that CFD was that we also had a perhaps better scum lynch caught in that threeway tie in Epi.

AND guess what I WAS RIGHT ABOUT EPI! :P

Frog wrote:To the people seriously voting me,

My early game was aggro across the board for reaction testing. I answered everyone's questions early game 0_o

I identified town reads by fighting with them and seeing how they react.

I was the first to post a full rainbow list.

I suggested the gamed strategy of hypoclaiming.

I suggested the strategy to straddle the slankers on wagons.

I've developed and drove content and strategies with a mountain of posts.

Anyone towns seriously voting me need to reevaluate their play.

Frog wrote:More aggro plox. You're giving me increasingly better night cover :-D

Sloonei wrote:I can't take this rainbow seriously

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I also noticed in my pop ins that ika and Silverwolf have followed each other all over the board in votes. Is that a correct assessment?

I have no idea, but that wouldn't surprise me either.

What do you think about this if it is true?

Epignosis wrote:I also noticed in my pop ins that ika and Silverwolf have followed each other all over the board in votes. Is that a correct assessment?

Frog wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Frog wrote:

Epignosis wrote:In case it isn't clear, I'm just reading from here on and going by memory from popping in from time to time. I'll try to read everything when it's quiet.

GTFO the thread... O_o

What'd you have last night, anyway? A mimosa and a pomegranate martini?

A lot...

Hypo claiming is a gamed strategy, don't discredit me with a false basis.

You said my strategy relies on knowledge of the exact setup
I'm saying it doesn't and you should read clearly before throwing around sticks or you'll poke your eye out.

Marco wrote:@Frog, Epignosis replaced Long Con.

Epignosis wrote:

Marco wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I recall reading something about Frog that I didn't care for. Did he come up with a plan for everyone to out themselves when only Mafia know the set up?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but VOTE FROG.

And sober up or get a bigger tolerance.

His plan was actually a little more than that. He was suggesting everyone to hypo-claim all the possible roles in the setup. It's still only a pro-town strategy in a couple of the setups, and anti-town in some, so, until we have a better idea of the setup, we should not do it. But I wouldn't be against it down the line when we know what setup we're in.

Define please.

Basically, everyone claims hypothetically to provide cover for actual PR. eg: In a game where town has a cop, everyone makes a hypothetical claim stating their targets and results every day. This has multiple advantages:

1. If cop dies, we already know all his reports.
2. Everyone provides cover for the cop's reports, so mafia still have to figure out who it is.
3. Provides reads on others. eg: Say X guilted Y in his hypo claim. If X dies, it's safe to assume Y is indeed mafia. One can argue that it was an attempt to frame Y, but if that's the case, do you think mafia would waste a kill on someone they know isn't cop?

Now, this works because people in the setup know that town has cop. We don't know what setup we're playing. To counter that, Frog suggested we claim all the possible roles and give our hypothetical claims. However, after some quick number-crunching, it became obvious that not all setups favor hypo-claiming, so it would not be smart to do a hypo claim strat until we know what setup we're in.

Frog wrote:

Epignosis wrote:In case it isn't clear, I'm just reading from here on and going by memory from popping in from time to time. I'll try to read everything when it's quiet.

GTFO the thread... O_o

Marco wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I recall reading something about Frog that I didn't care for. Did he come up with a plan for everyone to out themselves when only Mafia know the set up?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but VOTE FROG.

And sober up or get a bigger tolerance.

His plan was actually a little more than that. He was suggesting everyone to hypo-claim all the possible roles in the setup. It's still only a pro-town strategy in a couple of the setups, and anti-town in some, so, until we have a better idea of the setup, we should not do it. But I wouldn't be against it down the line when we know what setup we're in.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, folks, I'm exhausted. I'm keeping my vote on IAWY. I was intending on sticking around for EoD, and I may still return, but I still have more studying to do tonight, but before that I need to actually spend some time with my wife because I want to and haven't been doing that enough due to mafiaing so much today and yesterday. So I'm going to do that. See you all later.

Epignosis wrote:I cannot guarantee how much of this I will get through before the deadline. I see the thread will be locked at Night. That helps.

Frog wrote:Annnnd I'm 5 beers deep. AMA