The Syndicate

I really think you two need to stop.

Epignosis gets the role where he's good and trying his damnedest but people think he's bad the whole time regardless...

So...the only way you were going to win, LC, was the theme MVP?

Long Con wrote:I played as I did because I was going to die on Day 6 anyway. Would have been nice of some of you to actually give me a chance to get there like I asked, instead of voting for me and foolishly wasting a lynch. Next time listen to me when I say to give me a chance to prove myself.

You know better than to ask for such things.

Long Con wrote: Epignosis: Can you please explain why you were trying to get me to say I didn't need all Cylons dead in order to "get your help"? Was any of that real in any way? What happens when someone says it, you get to send them a PM?

My understanding was that if a human said it, and that human needed all Cylons dead, their win condition would change to mine, that of needing Cavil and his minions dead to win.

I tried to help you out, man!

Next time when I try to get your ass to say something, say it.

Glorfindel wrote:
Polo wrote:Glorfindel, so sorry for what I did to you. Here, have a hug.
You know it's funny - whilst I was highly suspicious of you during the latter period of time I was in the game, I was kinda cheering you on after I left it... Tink nothing of it my friend and rightbackatcha...

What about me?

I think (I don't keep up with this stuff):

1. sig
2. Long Con
3. Silverwolf
4. Vompatti (he ended up silenced)
5. JJJ
6. rabbit8
7. SokothQultuq
8. G-Man
9. Polo
10. Black Rock
11. ObscureAllure

I don't think I got targeted with anything this entire game.

I had 3J's role figured out due to the more realistic shift in tone in the admiral's posts during the second half of the game.

It would seem I was right about S~V~S not throwing nutella under the bus and nutella being alone. I was pretty proud of myself with narrowing down Glorfindel's role, and even though he was good at the time, the fact that he could have ended up on the side of evil is enough for me. I also felt pretty smart driving the Dex lynch based on the 2:2 ratio. The spacedaisy lynch was a combination of tone and Dex's treatment of her. And of course, with G-Man, I felt like I was on to something when he mentioned "another thread."

I'd say I had a solid performance there for a change.

So say we all.

I think we should lynch John Cavil now.

G-Man wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:G-MAN

These are the only posts nutella made in which she said anything about her struggle to keep up (that I could find in a quick browse):

Spoiler: show
nutella wrote:holy shit I'm a dumbass and got distracted by RL and missed the vote. so sorry Golden I am kicking myself I probably would have voted for Epig anyway but I need to catch up on a shit ton

nutella wrote:Alright, caught up again. Good to see we got a rezz ship, but disconcerting that it's just *a* and not *the* :/

JJJ made a case on me I see. I realize I haven't posted much but that's because I've barely had time to catch up on the thread a couple times each day and just post when I'm done. I posted about ika on day 1 but decided I didn't actually suspect him; it makes the most sense to me that he (and probably also Silver) was civ, I just didn't like his style and wasn't used to it at first.

Also, when I realized I had missed the vote and said I would have voted for Epi, I had not even read the lynch result yet, so I didn't know what he had flipped. I just saw that he had a handful of votes and he had been my top/only actual suspect the last time I had been in thread, and I honestly probably would have voted for him.

I've also gotten some criticism for my interpretation of Epi. And to be honest I still don't really know where I stand on that either. When he first flipped cylon and rezzed, I assumed he was bad, but also seemed to be in an interesting position to help us for some time. After much of the discussion from people familiar with the show, it seems quite possible that Athena is a good role, so I don't necessarily want to automatically go after him again (plus he might just get rezzed again). On the other hand, there's the possibility that he's actually Boomer. So really I have no idea where I stand on that issue.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ~~~

Generally I don't think nutella has been entirely consistent in her mindset (consider that it's her mindset I'm talking about and not her reads), which suggests to me that she might be making it up as she goes. I think some of her content is just suspicious at face value, and moreover her rate of participation is right about where I'd expect most of the baddies to be in a game that has moved as fast as this one.
Of course I'm making it up as I go, that's what I always do You've seen me get absolutely skewered as a civ many times just for being wishy-washy, that's just how I play. My opinions change throughout the game. And I haven't been able to post much but I'm trying to contribute when I can.

I have to go for a little bit but when I come back I will figure out who I suspect the most. For what it's worth I actually trust some apparently unpopular people rn, namely LC, Rico, and Matt.
I don't see her expecting a free pass; I see her attempting to explain her failure to vote/post.
And you didn't play Biblical so I'm not surprised you don't understand where I'm coming from.

I hosted it. His post is valid.

G-Man wrote:After reading your assessment of my votes, I disagree with your lack of concern for the timing of votes. Perhaps you're just meaning at this time. Examining the timing of votes is part of what my technicolors are all about.

Day 1- My posts bely my feelings on Marmot at the time. They were stronger than what my words conveyed. I have always been at a loss on Day 1's and probably always will. Marmot comes off as a lazy choice but he had the weirdest behavior.

Day 2- Your case on nutella came around 24 hours before I voted, so I can see why you might think I was influenced by you. What nagged me most about her was the fact that she was looking for a free pass. You took issue more with her tone while I took issue with her motive. You missed out on Biblical, right? There was so much slacking and "I'm catching up, promise!" in that game than I can ever remember. Several of the baddies did it at different times in that game. I nagged about Deborah for so friggin' long but it took forever for anyone to take me seriously. Having seen so much of it in that game hardwored me to suspect that kind of behavior from then on. It pops up in a lot of games and her borderline indignant expectation to a free pass threw up the red flag for me. That's stone-cold intuition on nutella from me, not cooking something up.

To be continued...

I don't see that as the same thing. nutella was lynched Day 2. That was early. You nagged about Deb for "so friggin' long," which means that was later on in Biblical. Again, I don't see how you can pinpoint nutella being bad Day 2 because she said she was catching up based on what one different mafia group did in sock puppet accounts a year ago.

G-Man wrote: The rest have missed either too many overall votes or too many recent votes for me to effectively use my technicolors in conjunction with my notes:
-Black Rock (missed 5 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)
-DrumBeats (missed 3 votes)
-DrWilgy (missed 6 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)
-Ricochet (missed 3 votes, missed 2 of last 4 votes)
-SokothQultuq (missed 6 votes, missed 3 of last 4 votes)

Two of these players I am still very suspicious of (DrumBeats and Sokoth) and one of them slightly suspicious of (Wilgy). I will break all five of them down later this evening to explain how I clear the other two.

The other two players left are ObscureAllure and sig. Given the weirdness of Day 6's non-lynch, I still believe sig to be one of the human civ's on the list of potential presidents. I only barely suspect OA.

On top of it all, you never claimed more recently to suspect Black Rock despite numerous places where she said she hadn't been keeping up.

If G-Man is bad, we can lynch 3J next on account of his signature.

sig wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I am voting G-Man.

That "another thread" business is much too much for me. I encourage his lynch.

If it's a good lynch I will consider the outed one tomorrow, but I won't necessarily commit to it.
Can you explain the "another thread" thing? I seem to have missed it.

I do only have two major people right now, however I could see Gman or drum being mafia. I'd be okay with a Gman lynch today, but would rather lynch wilgy.

linki: Why me?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p286695

I am voting G-Man.

That "another thread" business is much too much for me. I encourage his lynch.

If it's a good lynch I will consider the outed one tomorrow, but I won't necessarily commit to it.

Some of us were eating the best guacamole ever, and I don't even like guacamole.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Regarding Cavil, I still haven't seen this question answered in any satisfactory manner:

If we don't lynch him now, then when is the right time? How do we know?

I don't think we're going to get a satisfactory answer to that. I would be willing to vote there next Day phase if mafia is caught today.

Matt wrote:Skipping Rico's previous post where he was just being a meany and on to...

Ricochet wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:I can totally see Cavil having some sort of ability. I hope he stays dead if we lynch him.

I just feel like these few days has been rather good - we lynched two baddies in a row and are not as pressured as before by the ambiguity of the f5 and all that(unless you doubt me and Juliets... Though I can't speak for Juliets obviously) so I think the time is right.
I can see him having some sort of ability too...but is it a big one? Is it the same one S~V~S had? I'm not convinced.
...

What ability did SVS have?
Yeah that's a weird thing to say, Epi, care to elaborate?

I'm not saying I knew what ability she had. My meaning was rather rhetorical.

S~V~S was around quite a while, and I haven't seen any evidence of her ability being a big deal, assuming she had one. If Cavil is the same ability, then there's no urgency.

Nerolunar wrote:I can totally see Cavil having some sort of ability. I hope he stays dead if we lynch him.

I just feel like these few days has been rather good - we lynched two baddies in a row and are not as pressured as before by the ambiguity of the f5 and all that(unless you doubt me and Juliets... Though I can't speak for Juliets obviously) so I think the time is right.

I can see him having some sort of ability too...but is it a big one? Is it the same one S~V~S had? I'm not convinced.

Matt, I am probably going to vote for G-Man because I think G-Man's "another thread" business with Dex was far too specific to be a natural thought and far too petty to be a genuine suspicion.

What say you?

Matt wrote:@Epi

What do you think of DB's voting record? I know you've stated repeatedly that you don't take stock into such things, but the one that I found really interesting was Day One...

When Rico voted SVS and the very next vote was Drum voting Rico. Hrm.

Coincidence again, along with town reading nutella from the get go?

So many koinkidinks if so...

I was suspicious of DrumBeats at one point, and I don't remember why that suspicion went away. And yes, voting records mean very little to me in this.

Nerolunar wrote:Im voting John Cavil today. It will give us some more time to find the rest of the baddies too, as we are nowhere near a common suspect. Lots of people being debated on, I say we try lynching Cavil and spend some more cycles searching for the other baddies.

Vote John Cavil

I think that's a horrible reason to vote, and it assumes people will be more active than they have been. I am not that confident.

Matt wrote:@Epi, @Rico, @anyone else in the thread right now...

Where do you stand on lynching Cavil? Still want to wait?

I do. If he could have always been lynched, then from a public perspective, you've got a mafia member (already caught) who merely needed to be lynched a second time. That is rather superfluous.

My thinking is that something needs to happen before Cavil dies, and the prevailing thought is that the goons go first. That's reasonable, since it is the mafia leader and he is outed.

The only reason to lynch him soon is if either is true:

1) You believe doing so will end the game, or
2) You believe he has some incredible ability...like a recruitment.

I don't believe either of these two things, so I haven't been nervous about him.

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
G-Man wrote:
RESPONSE: I assume he is talking about the notes and the technicolors in terms of being a try-hard. It comes with the territory, so I'm used to this accusation this far into a game. As for bussing teammates, I know I've done it in the past, as has just about anyone who has had enough baddie roles. A bus vote may help you in the short term but it can't cover up a sketchy long-term vote record. What do you think of my overall vote record?
Why is a sketchy long-term voting record the mark of mafia?
As a game progresses, my technicolor lists become fuller and fuller of players who flipped one way or another when lynched and those who were NK'd. It's another form of process of elimination to use. When you look at the votes of those who are still alive and consider who they voted for and when on which day, baddies rise to the surface. I don't mean that someone makes weird votes all game long but rather that their decisions and timing come to look sketchy upon re-evaluation the later you get into a game. It's how we got nailed Mordecai, Deborah, and Esther in Biblical.
"What do you think of my overall vote record?"

Your question in its immediate context strikes me as coming from someone who is acutely aware that voting out one teammate but not others won't get him very far, but if he manages to vote out two or three, his overall voting record becomes the wave he can ride to victory.
Actually, I am opening myself up to analysis and criticism to those who have the time to go back and look at vote histories. As you say, don't get cute. :P

I haven't bothered with vote histories and I'm not about to start.

Matt wrote:Holy shit LOL

I was like "no fuckin way did I really not say it in the first post" ?

You're funny dude, I actually checked to see if I wrote "Epi is so handsome" hahahaha.

So what do you think tho, for real? Am I reaching as usual?

You found a clever coincidence, but with two of three people, I'm maintaining it to be just that- a coincidence.

I like your find though. Even if it doesn't point to anything more than a coincidence, I like your search for patterns there. I would just have a tough time believing that a team might be forced to out themselves Day 0 by having to "overlook" a rule.

Matt wrote:Q

Matt wrote:Got too excited there. Derp.

So say we all!

Don't know why Epignosis is so handsome.

Hrm.

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
G-Man wrote:
RESPONSE: I assume he is talking about the notes and the technicolors in terms of being a try-hard. It comes with the territory, so I'm used to this accusation this far into a game. As for bussing teammates, I know I've done it in the past, as has just about anyone who has had enough baddie roles. A bus vote may help you in the short term but it can't cover up a sketchy long-term vote record. What do you think of my overall vote record?
Why is a sketchy long-term voting record the mark of mafia?
As a game progresses, my technicolor lists become fuller and fuller of players who flipped one way or another when lynched and those who were NK'd. It's another form of process of elimination to use. When you look at the votes of those who are still alive and consider who they voted for and when on which day, baddies rise to the surface. I don't mean that someone makes weird votes all game long but rather that their decisions and timing come to look sketchy upon re-evaluation the later you get into a game. It's how we got nailed Mordecai, Deborah, and Esther in Biblical.

"What do you think of my overall vote record?"

Your question in its immediate context strikes me as coming from someone who is acutely aware that voting out one teammate but not others won't get him very far, but if he manages to vote out two or three, his overall voting record becomes the wave he can ride to victory.

G-Man wrote:
RESPONSE: I assume he is talking about the notes and the technicolors in terms of being a try-hard. It comes with the territory, so I'm used to this accusation this far into a game. As for bussing teammates, I know I've done it in the past, as has just about anyone who has had enough baddie roles. A bus vote may help you in the short term but it can't cover up a sketchy long-term vote record. What do you think of my overall vote record?

Why is a sketchy long-term voting record the mark of mafia?

So say we all.

ObscureAllure wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:I can honestly say that not only did I have trouble reading her, but I NEVER would have guessed her to be Cavil. I know you'll probably use that statement against me, but it's true. I had someone else pegged for it and was wrong.
Who'd you have pegged for it and why?
Originally LC - although there was a reason for that that I can't talk about. Then, I thought Zebra/Rabbit was. Zebra was making some very definitive statements that seemed very overzealous and in line with someone who knows a lot and has a lot of powers BTS. But I'm then I became confident that Zebra/Rabbit wasn't a cylon at that time so therefore couldn't have been Cavil. After that, I didn't know who.... then SVS was lynched and there you go.

Long Con was lynched Day 5. You voted for DrWilgy. You never voted for Long Con.

I don't see any evidence you thought he was Cavil.

ObscureAllure wrote:I can honestly say that not only did I have trouble reading her, but I NEVER would have guessed her to be Cavil. I know you'll probably use that statement against me, but it's true. I had someone else pegged for it and was wrong.

Who'd you have pegged for it and why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Now playing: Mini-series Part 1, Battlestar Galactica

Just finished part 2 tonight. Wife bitched about it and now ended up picking out all the wrong people as Cylons.

I'd lynch Matt every day by the way.

Just not tomorrow.

How valuable are interactions before the alignment reveals / before the advent of the Final Five compared to those now?

I've looked through G-Man's talk of Spacedaisy because he said this:

G-Man wrote:At a farewell picnic for our pastor. Be back later for discussion.

If we decide to vote for a Final Five, I'd vote Spacedaisy. If we're voting on general suspicions, I'd keep Drum and Sokoth in the mix. Having a good day pain-wise. I ought to be able to spend some time at the computer this afternoon and update technicolors and go over the votes and why I think vote records clear some and implicate others.

I won't vote Epi. I need to read up on the Wilgy argument. Still not leaning his way but I'll see what his votes tell me.

@sig- why am I on your list?

If? Why are the Final Five separate from "general suspicions?" G-Man doesn't talk about DrumBeats or Sokoth in this post. He just calls them "general suspicions."

I think that's weak, and leaving himself open to move.

Before that, G-Man only said this about her:

G-Man wrote:2) Juliets voted sideways for Sokoth Day 9, which I wasn't crazy about but at least she voted for someone I'm suspicious of. I want her to be civ because she's Hot Dog. If she's civ, Cavil can't risk NK'ing her without potentially killing one of his minions. For that reason I say juliets is civ. I think Nero is civ as well because he put Cavil in the brig. Night 9 was the time for him to screw the civs over and make himself an easy target if he was going to. Cavil would have killed someone and we'd have lost a day to little discussion as we lynched Nero. Spacedaisy seems like she's trying to fit in, which is what a baddie Final Fiver would do. I'll double check her posts but her thoughts and opinions have felt soft since she rezzed. Baddie on her.

3) Keep on trucking. Forcing conversation and contribution has been beneficial so I see no reason to ease up on it now.

Now for lunch and some ice. Back in a bit.

Regarding juliets:

"I want juliets to be civ because she's Hot Dog." Wishful thinking.
"If she's civ, Cavil can't risk NK'ing her without potentially killing one of his minions." Obviously.
"For that reason, I say juliets is civ." How does this clear juliets?

But regarding Spacedaisy:

"Spacedaisy seems like she's trying to fit in, which is what a baddie Final Fiver would do. I'll double check her posts but her thoughts and opinions have felt soft since she rezzed. Baddie on her."

None of this impresses me. He thinks she's bad, but because she's trying to fit in? How does he know what a "baddie Final Fiver" would do? What is he basing this off of? He gives no examples of this, and gives no examples of "soft" thoughts and opinions. This is all he's said about her after her resurrection.

I think a civilian G-Man would have been hunting the hell out of those Final Five with their unanimous 2:2 ratio, and I am at a loss to explain why he would want to differentiate Spacedaisy from "general suspicions," whatever that means.

The "another thread" with Dex business I also can't explain and do not believe G-Man's explanation either. That's the worst thing for me.

Sure, Matt. Happy to oblige.

Matt wrote:And you, Epi?

Can you explain why SVS would announce to the thread that she's unkillable instead of just letting town waste a day to try and lynch her?

She's bad.

Matt wrote:Can you explain Dex not pushing the unkillable option of his group and instead pushing town to look at himself?

He's bad.

Matt wrote:Seeing as how you think Daisy is bad, can you explain Dex not pushing the "unkillable" option of his group and instead pushing town to look at himself and Daisy instead???

They're bad.

Matt wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Do you think Spacedaisy is good or bad, Matt?
Being pressed into a g2h...

Good.

You could have taken some time to review her recent posts. I wasn't asking for you to give an immediate opinion.

But thanks all the same.

Do you think Spacedaisy is good or bad, Matt?

I am voting Spacedaisy.

I think G-Man stepped in shit and in trying to cover it up, he's leaving a trail of bad explanations.

I think Spacedaisy exempted me from the very thing she voted S~V~S for, and she said I was twisting things, but she never came back to talk about that.

Nerolunar wrote:I'm going to bed now( as usual at this time in the holidays. Oh well.) and I will be voting for -

Wilgy

I can't see that there should be more room for civ cylons in the original pool of baddies, so I'm going with this vote. I don't know the show apart from what has been discussed anyways, so I am not going to trust in people's interpretation of Caprica Six and Leoben.

"The original pool of baddies."

I don't even know what that means.

I'm going to have a shower and then decide whether my vote is going to Spacedaisy or G-Man.

Ricochet wrote:So I did this today and you can all either take a gander at it or shrug it off. I realized after a while that I jumped over Polo, but then decided not to review him, not necessarily because his SVS hunt would be instacred or anything, but... ok maybe because of that, actually. Oh, and because seven hours spent on this is probably enough for a day, even for my sorry ass standards.

Comment back in the thread, if you have any.

If you edit that document, does it count as editing your post and there by breaking the rules?

G-Man wrote:A few of the heist games I played and Spirited Away?

I think Zodiac had private threads, but Spirited Away did not.

That's not important to me. What's important to me is your entire accusation of Dex was predicated on the idea of private threads.

G-Man wrote:All I can go on is my personal experience with that kind of quote screw-up. Usually when someone butchers a quote there is a broken quote somewhere in their post. That's the norm I've seen. When was the last time you saw someone mess up a post that resulted in their standalone post being quoted by themselves? It stood out to me for that reason.

People screwing up tags isn't something I ordinarily keep track of, I'm sorry to say.

So, you're saying you have experience with that kind of quote screw-up? You mentioned your colored voting posts, but your accusation was based on transferring text from one thread to another, so am I to understand that your experience with that kind of quote screw-up also involves transferring text from one thread to another? I was under the impression that your colored voting posts were housed in the same thread. In Transistor Mafia, I just quote my old lynch or Night post and replace the content, and on one occasion I posted without removing the quote tags. I edited my host post and removed them, but again, that was all in the same thread.

What you are proposing is that Dex wrote something in a private thread (why he would write what he did in a private thread is beyond me), then, instead of copying and pasting the content of his own post, he quotes it, and copies and pastes that business into the main thread without removing the tags.

That's too much for me. I don't buy it. Either you manufactured a reason to suspect Dex or you knew it to be true, and you, in accusing Dex of slipping, also slipped.

G-Man wrote:Also the recent norm for me is private threads for BTSC. I don't play as many games as most. In the recent games I've played I've seen hosts say baddie threads will be kept private or players asking for such threads to be kept private (well, except for the Turf Wars prison threads- those should be required reading material. ). I don't know the technical goingson of games run here like you do, so cry your pardon for my limited viewpoint.

Can you name all the games you've played that had private threads for BTSC? Can you name all the games you've played that did not?

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:G-Man, you said this:

G-Man wrote:Agree with you I do that Dex looks suspicious. Different our reasons are that lead us to this conclusion.

Vote now I will. Hockey must I watch. Pain must I ice.

vote = Dex

Post 6 of 10 this is.
You didn't name your reasons, but the only thing I saw from you about Dex that Day was this:

G-Man wrote:Overthinking it I fear Epignosis is. Logical Dex's viewpoint seems to me in only regarding the other three.
You felt I was overthinking my reason for thinking Dex was bad. I thought my reason was well thought out, but okay.

What you came up with left me scratching my head, and I didn't really read it carefully because of the Yodaspeak. I read it more carefully today.

G-Man wrote:How feel you about his quoted post and his response when questioned?

Dex wrote:
Dex wrote:SO SAY WE ALL!

#1

SUSPECTS JOHN CAVIL

For my own part, I doubt that a vote for Cavil will do anything more than to buy him more time. I have to agree that a focus on the 4ofF5 is our most productive approach, even though that includes me. If we have to eliminate Cavil's team to get to Cavil, one or two of them are there, and that's a small pool of suspects to search.

Nero's throwing S~V~S to the brig is behaviorally positive civ cred, albeit very easy. If I was nero and mafia, I'd do the same. Meanwhile, Julliettes has chosen to pursue some arcane issue with Sok that seems rather beside the point. SpaceDaisy seems to be mostly lurking. There is little left to go by than reads, and I'm terrible at reads.

I find it ironic, though, that I have spent the entire game trying to defend civ cylons, only to find myself in their very predicament.

Dex wrote:#2

G-Man wrote:Trust you before resurrection I did but a question I have. Why in quotes is your post? Suspicious this looks. Yes, suspicious. As if in another thread you wrote it once before and for posting here copied it you did.
D'oh! Started with a much larger post with lots of quotes and decided to simplify, frakking it up beyond repair. Must learn to use the preview function.
A slip perhaps he has made?

Rest now I must. Strong is the pain in my groin.

Post 5 of 10 this is.
What other thread?
A private thread. Since Biblical and Economics, I haven't heard many people mention chat rooms for BTSC communication. Private forum threads like the ones we had for the prison in Turf Wars are in vogue now. His post was quoted by himself. I thought it was weird. The only time I've ever almost done that to myself is when I quote my last batch of technicolors in order to work up the next set but I usually catch it before I post because I proofread via hitting 'Preview.' It looked like, instead of copying his post from somewhere else, he quoted it but forgot to get rid of the quote tags.

In vogue? There have been about 19 full / speed games since Biblical and Economics. I know for a fact that at least 13 of those used chatzy for BTSC (because I either had it, hosted it, or someone mentioned it at endgame). I think maybe two or three had had private threads.

That's just a bizarre and obscure thing to vote Dex over. Dex quotes his own post in its first incarnation, and your immediate view wasn't that he screwed up some tags or something, but that he quoted his own post in a private thread and then forgot to remove the quote tags?

G-Man, you said this:

G-Man wrote:Agree with you I do that Dex looks suspicious. Different our reasons are that lead us to this conclusion.

Vote now I will. Hockey must I watch. Pain must I ice.

vote = Dex

Post 6 of 10 this is.

You didn't name your reasons, but the only thing I saw from you about Dex that Day was this:

G-Man wrote:Overthinking it I fear Epignosis is. Logical Dex's viewpoint seems to me in only regarding the other three.

You felt I was overthinking my reason for thinking Dex was bad. I thought my reason was well thought out, but okay.

What you came up with left me scratching my head, and I didn't really read it carefully because of the Yodaspeak. I read it more carefully today.

G-Man wrote:How feel you about his quoted post and his response when questioned?

Dex wrote:
Dex wrote:SO SAY WE ALL!

#1

SUSPECTS JOHN CAVIL

For my own part, I doubt that a vote for Cavil will do anything more than to buy him more time. I have to agree that a focus on the 4ofF5 is our most productive approach, even though that includes me. If we have to eliminate Cavil's team to get to Cavil, one or two of them are there, and that's a small pool of suspects to search.

Nero's throwing S~V~S to the brig is behaviorally positive civ cred, albeit very easy. If I was nero and mafia, I'd do the same. Meanwhile, Julliettes has chosen to pursue some arcane issue with Sok that seems rather beside the point. SpaceDaisy seems to be mostly lurking. There is little left to go by than reads, and I'm terrible at reads.

I find it ironic, though, that I have spent the entire game trying to defend civ cylons, only to find myself in their very predicament.

Dex wrote:#2

G-Man wrote:Trust you before resurrection I did but a question I have. Why in quotes is your post? Suspicious this looks. Yes, suspicious. As if in another thread you wrote it once before and for posting here copied it you did.
D'oh! Started with a much larger post with lots of quotes and decided to simplify, frakking it up beyond repair. Must learn to use the preview function.
A slip perhaps he has made?

Rest now I must. Strong is the pain in my groin.

Post 5 of 10 this is.

What other thread?

This was Dex's reaction to the non-lynch:

Dex wrote:I don't get why sig wasn't lynched. Theories?

Dex wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Too bad we don't know if Glorf is a cylon or not now because of someone's save.
He had the most votes. He declared. He wasn't lynched. He's a cylon.

Dex wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...
Wilgs, you're laboring under misapprehensions. Glorfindel had the most votes and is a cylon. Gaius' immunity didn't kick in until after the lynch.

Nerolunar came back with his ability, so I can only assume Dex had his switch available when he got lynched unless he used it before.

The only thing that immediately makes sense is that he used it Day 6, when sig should have been lynched but wasn't. Perhaps Dex targeted someone else who would could not be lynched for whatever reason.

Oh, so identity = name of the player. A lynch switch then.

No, I don't.

Ricochet wrote: linki: Vompatti could have been anything.

I don't see how a "here are five roles; if they don't (all) die within the first nine cycles, ech, forget about it" design is plausible.

I should have clarified with "yet." My meaning is that the Final Five aren't revealed until they're all dead.

Ricochet wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My turn to borrow Matt's tinfoil beanie.

Dex and Spacedaisy were the only two of the people resurrected to have been Night killed.

Nerolunar and juliets were not Night killed.

Perhaps there is a John Cavil recruitment among the Final Five only, but it involves being Night killed first.
What if Dex and/or Spacedaisy would have survived up to this point. Dex was mighty close, in fact.

Then the Final Five would have not been revealed.

I think Vompatti was the fifth man, but he got modkilled. Hence, the Final Four.

Oh, I still plan on voting Spacedaisy. Her last post was her response to me here.

My turn to borrow Matt's tinfoil beanie.

Dex and Spacedaisy were the only two of the people resurrected to have been Night killed.

Nerolunar and juliets were not Night killed.

Perhaps there is a John Cavil recruitment among the Final Five only, but it involves being Night killed first.

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