The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:The timing and nature of your accusation against me made us think you were an info role, which is why we killed you. We could not risk you getting lynched, your role being revealed, and everyone going back and seeing you accused me.
Oh, and I never had info on you. The only success I had was with Quin, when I checked one of Drums list statements & cleared him. I tried to check you and never succeeded. My opinion that you were bad was total gut. I thought you were incredibly obvious, but apparently I was the only one

Thanks Dom, fun while it lasted, and again, congrats winners
You were not the only one who thought Epi was incredibly obvious, lol. But, I mean, he was on my team, so....

Seriously, though. Some of his posting was so overtly baddie, that I'm not sure I'd have believed he was bad if I were a civ in the game, if that makes sense. He isn't usually so blatant.

Also, it was nice being on a team with those who almost always accuse me of being evil, lol.

You defending me was hilarious.

You had my number, for sure!

Do you know what lines you tried to check of mine?

The timing and nature of your accusation against me made us think you were an info role, which is why we killed you. We could not risk you getting lynched, your role being revealed, and everyone going back and seeing you accused me.

indiglo wrote: Plus, I knew Epi was lying about being silenced, because I never silenced him! That's one reason I was begging to come back - to call him out.

I did that just to screw around. I was surprised nobody brought up the fact that I had even posted during the Day phase I claimed I was silenced. Some fun!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Has juliets ever been lynched in her life?

I got her lynched Day 2 in Doctor Who (we were both good, and then I got lynched, and subbed in as bad). That's the only time I can think of.

juliets wrote:Congrats bad guys! You played a great game and deserved the win (well, I don't know about enrique). I thought both Epi and Lorab were good. Ha! Which leads me to a question. Why did you kill me before I'd even gotten my footing in the game especially since I thought two of you were good, though I may have only mentioned Epi? And I had a role that didn't have much power. Thanks for your answer in advance.

Dom you did a great job. Thanks for the game.

We killed you because there was never any chance of you getting lynched. Just basic Mafia 101 really.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You did a great job, DrumBeats. It didn't all go your way, but shit happens. Town needed someone to step into the spotlight and try to lead the charge, and you were more than capable in that role. I hope you continue playing on The Syndicate with us, we can use your pro-civilian methodology. You're a fun guy to work with.

Ten times this.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.
Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.
DrumBeats, I hope you didn't take offense when I called you a clown. I really meant nothing by it at all, I hope you can see.
I took no offense because I knew you were mafia just trying to discredit me, which you did a fantastic job at. No hard feelings at all there.

You were the best civilian in this game- no question.

Also, Turnip Head, sorry for the bullshit. You know it was just business. I still had a good time talking with you.

DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.
Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.

DrumBeats, I hope you didn't take offense when I called you a clown. I really meant nothing by it at all, I hope you can see.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks for killing me, jerks.
I wanted to toy with you a while. Scotty was scared of you.

Your death ended up being part of a larger scheme.

Scotty had BTSC with Eloh, and she told him she was Andy. She killed leetic (I think). We killed her. Then I pretended to be Andy the rest of the way, which paid dividends when TH chose me for BTSC. I made like I was Andy and I killed you (hence my remarks after your death).

That's why TH and I were vouching for each other, and why I was absolutely pleased that DB wanted TH's head before mind.

Turnip Head, you don't owe me one. This is me paying you back for Harry Potter.
Whenever you said you were perfectly fine with TH being lynched before you I was like

Also, my bad about the whole "I think he's bad" right after my death post. I didn't get a linki or I wouldn't have let that into the thread.

I didn't even try to be a civilian in this one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks for killing me, jerks.

I wanted to toy with you a while. Scotty was scared of you.

Your death ended up being part of a larger scheme.

Scotty had BTSC with Eloh, and she told him she was Andy. She killed leetic (I think). We killed her. Then I pretended to be Andy the rest of the way, which paid dividends when TH chose me for BTSC. I made like I was Andy and I killed you (hence my remarks after your death).

That's why TH and I were vouching for each other, and why I was absolutely pleased that DB wanted TH's head before mind.

Turnip Head, you don't owe me one. This is me paying you back for Harry Potter.

DrumBeats wrote:First off - Sorry SVS and TH for being wrong about you.

Secondly, I'm dumb about bringing Scotty back. DFaraday gave me a rubber band and it reflected an action on me the night before TH voted bea, so I thought that was the action. Turns out it was the nightkill on me that was redirected onto Scotty. Shit I'm sorry I dropped the ball on that, but 4/5 in endgame isn't bad. I just wish I pieced it together sooner. Great game everybody.

Third - I was Todd. Hence trying to set up the lynch on myself or Epi at the end.

We figured out you were Todd, and tried to kill you while redirecting your power onto someone else. We were...annoyed that Scotty got removed alone. I used my camera on you to find out what your item did that same night, so we did at least know that.

We were also worried for a while that DFaraday was instead Toby, but when he switched his vote, we knew that wasn't the case.

That was...the easiest game ever turned stressful as hell at the last.

Stealth switch.

DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Lorab, ask yourself why the baddies would force a vote onto one of their own team members at such a critical juncture of the game. That would be a seriously stupid move.

And where is everyone? Timmer, say?
Do you think S~V~S was bad?

Do you think Turnip Head was bad?

Do you think DrumBeats is bad?
Yes.

No.

No.

Then I can't help you.

DFaraday wrote:Lorab, ask yourself why the baddies would force a vote onto one of their own team members at such a critical juncture of the game. That would be a seriously stupid move.

And where is everyone? Timmer, say?

Do you think S~V~S was bad?

Do you think Turnip Head was bad?

Do you think DrumBeats is bad?

"Almost positive."

At least I didn't get the 100% tag you gave when you led the lynch on Turnip Head.

Just dropping this here:

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:Where do both of you stand on espers?
If we're going down that road I'd rather lynch SpaceDaisy.
Those are two completely different roads though. What's your case on Spacedaisy?
I mean the road of lynching a nonparticipant. IMO espers has screwed us either way because we can't afford to mislynch him at this stage of the game, but he's given us no way to deduce his alignment and hasn't helped us solve the game. At this point he's a warm body that I'm just praying is on our side.

My case on Spacedaisy is I went back and looked at her posts in Death Note, the only game I remember playing where she was bad, and she did that teeter-totter between opinions thing that she did here during the SVS fiasco. It gives the appearance of evolving thoughts. That one post was really her only meaty contribution to the game, I think it's interesting that she picked that topic to go all detailed with, when she hasn't done that really anywhere else, so maybe it was just for show. I don't know that she'd lay THAT low as a baddie but I've seen her pull off a quiet baddie game before, she was busy IRL at the time and it worked in her favor, so who knows.

Turnip Head wrote:Okay no, bea's not bad either. So sweet, so pure.

Fuck this game.

Turnip Head wrote:Scotty to be honest I'm as lost as you are. I think I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and vote for espers because fuck it. Everyone seems so genuine to me at this point, I don't know who to not trust.

Turnip Head wrote:Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.

Turnip Head wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Lol, you all are about to be real disappointed. The only ones who would really be gunning for me dead are the ones who would be afraid I might use my power to find out their role, but if you all couldn't tell from how I played, I did not care which team won because it didn't matter. Like I said though, I don't feel like I deserved a win at all, so I'm ok with dying. Have fun y'all and may the best team win!
This is about what I expected

Turnip Head wrote:Why are you bad bea?

TH is inconsistent as hell. Look at this shit. A full 360 on espers, a 180 on Bea, a 180 on Spacedaisy.

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:The way I see it, this guy is either a civ or the most sociopathic mafioso that ever lived. No baddie argues their innocence like this.
Where do you stand on Epignosis?
I have a specific civilian role in mind for him. I think he's genuinely trying to figure you out.
OHHH, I think I might actually know what you're thinking of there. That's interesting. Not sure if we're thinking the same one, but I'm thinking Epi makes a whole lot more sense with one civ role.

You threw your inactive teammate under the bus so you could set up Turnip Head and me. Rather than admit you were wrong about Turnip Head, you are making stuff up about his role to suit your agenda. Not once do you reevaluate anything. And why should you? You don't have to critically think about this- your agenda is to get me out of the picture like you did TH so you and the rest of the mafia can skate to victory. You are doing what you have to in order to attain that agenda. You are not a civilian.

DrumBeats wrote:I haven't, and I just did say it is a possibility, but I do not believe it to be so. Why are you so certain that it is what happened? You have not acknowledged the possibility of Kelly being converted at all either.

All the mafia roles have been revealed and none could control SVS's vote that night (Jo could not have used her role the night before). This proves SVS is mafia beyond a reasonable doubt, because there would be no reason for a civilian SVS to place that vote and blame it on being forced if she wasn't.

Also, please answer the question about Epi right above the OT text in my last post. I want to know why you believe Epi to be civ.

DrumBeats wrote:I'm still not 100% sure I was wrong about TH. Look at the role. TH had to find Ryan, a mafia. Until then, somebody had to speak in questions everyday - that hasn't happened in a while. I highly suspect a mafia convert occurring imo because TH's two suspicions afterward were false (one on bea and one on myself).

When the roles on the front page fit your theory, they prove things beyond a reasonable doubt.

When a lynch result disproves your theory, you make up role abilities in order for it to fit your theory.

You should run for office. You'd get my vote, just like you are right now.

Why are you still alive?

Why are you still alive?

Because I wasn't killed, genius.

DrumBeats wrote:Scotty, welcome back. What do you think about my case on Epignosis?

Also I'm voting DFaraday.

Scotty told me your case against me is bad, and that you are bad, and you should feel bad. All in BTSC.

Come on DrumBeats. Tell me more about how I'm bad.

DrumBeats wrote:I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

You're arrogant and don't listen is what happened. You are bad.

For everybody else: TH said I was good. Go see. He had a way of knowing.

Stop letting DB lead you.

I was silenced by the way.

DrumBeats wrote:Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

You are a clown.

DFaraday wrote:Epi, why did you vote Bea rather than DB, since your issues seem primarily to be with him?

Because I don't give a shit anymore.

I want to see DrumBeats' reaction to this. Turnip Head is good.

I am good. Turnip Head knows it.

Turnip Head is good. I know it.

I look forward to DrumBeats fucking this up for everybody. I love hubris and how it all comes tumbling down.

Oops. I voted David Wallace.

DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.

Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.

You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.

Turnip Head isn't bad. I'm not bad. Bloodlust is taking over.

Do it. Feel justified. Feel foolish.

Go on and lynch Turnip Head. Then lynch me.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Drumbeats: What is your current opinion of bea?
Probably civ
On what basis?
TH is pushing him or I as a counterwagon here to espers. I'm relatively sure TH is scum.
You're relatively wrong.
You're relatively scum

We'll see.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Drumbeats: What is your current opinion of bea?
Probably civ
On what basis?
TH is pushing him or I as a counterwagon here to espers. I'm relatively sure TH is scum.

You're relatively wrong.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Next Point: Would you vote bea? Why or why not? Your life depends on your answer.
With the current vote situation no. I believe bea is much more likely town than espers at this point. If votes are tied between me and bea then yes, because I know I am a civ.

Epi - answer my previous question about INH. One previous statement in the thread. And add that question for Turnip Head. Give me one previous statement from TH that makes you trust him.
No.
Then you're not Pam like I thought you were, awesome.

Scumteam imo:
TH
Epi
SVS
Espers

They've probably got one more extra imo. Probably not bea or INH imo based on what TH and Epi have been spewing. They only started this case on me when it seemed like espers was the lynch target. Epi hopped over too easily from INH - who he has been exclusively pushing for the past ton of days. This is likely a MYLO situation in which scum is trying to make a big play to end it.
No, I'm not Pam, and you are foolish.

Please vote this guy out.
TH mentioned he thought he knew what role you were, I saw your 3J is mafia push, and thought you lie detected his "I am independent" thing - this lead to me believing your stubborn push of INH was due to a lie detect - hence asking for one statement - which would've allowed you as Pam to softclaim your check. That not being the case I'm entirely convinced you and TH are buddying, and rallying to save espers.

I'm not Pam. Try again.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Drumbeats: What is your current opinion of bea?
Probably civ

On what basis?

Drumbeats: What is your current opinion of bea?

DrumBeats, please show me what evidence you saw the in the thread that gave you the idea I was Pam. Why did you think I was Pam?

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Next Point: Would you vote bea? Why or why not? Your life depends on your answer.
With the current vote situation no. I believe bea is much more likely town than espers at this point. If votes are tied between me and bea then yes, because I know I am a civ.

Epi - answer my previous question about INH. One previous statement in the thread. And add that question for Turnip Head. Give me one previous statement from TH that makes you trust him.
No.
Then you're not Pam like I thought you were, awesome.

Scumteam imo:
TH
Epi
SVS
Espers

They've probably got one more extra imo. Probably not bea or INH imo based on what TH and Epi have been spewing. They only started this case on me when it seemed like espers was the lynch target. Epi hopped over too easily from INH - who he has been exclusively pushing for the past ton of days. This is likely a MYLO situation in which scum is trying to make a big play to end it.

No, I'm not Pam, and you are foolish.

Please vote this guy out.

DrumBeats and bea are teammates.

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Next Point: Would you vote bea? Why or why not? Your life depends on your answer.
With the current vote situation no. I believe bea is much more likely town than espers at this point. If votes are tied between me and bea then yes, because I know I am a civ.

Epi - answer my previous question about INH. One previous statement in the thread. And add that question for Turnip Head. Give me one previous statement from TH that makes you trust him.

No.

I believe Turnip Head is good. I want your answer to my bea question.

Next Point: Would you vote bea? Why or why not? Your life depends on your answer.

DrumBeats- you never gave your detailed opinion on bea even though you said you were going to.

Turnip Head wrote:bea, if you're good, I think you should vote for DrumBeats. I don't like the espers vote at all today. Yesterday, before we were down another 2 in the numbers, sure let's get rid of him. Today, it sounds like a way to hand the baddies the game if he's town. DB was the one stressing how this is a "can't mislynch" stage of the game, and yet here he is, voting for the inactive. Don't "vote espers to save INH"; that makes me think you're trading one easy lynch for another. We need to vote for someone who is bad.

I will switch my vote to DrumBeats if you do.

I want to emphasize that I trust TH.

bea, if you are good, follow this man's advice. Anybody else for that matter.

bea wrote:I'm not bad. I'm overworked and have no free time. Big differenvr. I'm sorry I've not contributed. I bit off way m9re than I could chew this game.

I feel better about inh than I do about espers whom I have little to no read on. In truth I have little clue who is bad at this point. All I know is that I'm not. And at least one other civ has thought so in this game.

Voting espers more to save inh. Again, I don't think he's bad then anything.

Give me the civ you suck award for sure, but if you want to catch baddies looking at me is the wrong tree to shake.

What do you think of DrumBeats?

I moved my vote to bea for now.

Since I trust Turnip Head, if insertnamehere moves his vote to bea or DrumBeats, I will move mine.

INH? Your move.

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
You're seriously looking at voting records?

Do me a favor, INH. Show me one living person with a good voting record. Go.
Seeing as we haven't lynched a single baddie, that wouldn't really be easy.

Here's mine:

Day 1 - Wilgy - Civilian, Wrongly Lynched
Day 2 - leetic - ???, Was One Of 2 People Nightkilled Night 2, Along With Elohcin
Day 3 - N/A - SVS Day of Fuckery
Day 4 - Sorsha - Indie Serial Killer, Wrongly Lynched
Day 5 - Sorsha - Indie Serial Killer, Wrongly Lynched
Day 6 - timmer - Still Alive
Day 7 - Epignosis - Still Alive
Day 8 - Epignosis - Still Alive

I've only voted for one confirmed civilian, DrWilgy, who was the Day 1 lynch. If I had to choose between Elohcin and Leetic as to who was a likely Mafia NK, I'd go with Elo. Leetic was acting bonkers, and even self-voted Day 2. That screams obvious target. My money's on him being a victim of the Strangler. DB pointed out earlier that the possible reason we're still playing is because a scum member was killed somehow. I think that scum member was leetic.

To be honest, I don't think my voting record looks that bad, all things considered.

I don't wanna brag or anything tho.

Heh. My vote stays.

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