The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:I'm curious. Why was I killed... Twice?

I was trying to eliminate roles with powers. I thought you had one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think the main reason I usually prefer simpler games is that I can be more confident that they're balanced. I tend to play Mafia so dang hard that it's ideal to feel like it's worthwhile, and that all that effort has at least a decent chance of helping my team win the game.

I think that generally speaking the more complex a game is, the less balanced it is. There are exceptions of course. I think complexity tends to work against town though and in role madness games (open or closed setups) I always have less faith that what I am doing really matters that much.

I also probably just have a general preference for the core investigation/deception concept of Mafia over games more reliant upon night actions and such. To each their own.

Civilians win more in my games than mafia do.

Heists aren't really my thing, but I might still pop in from time to time. I prefer the more elaborate goings on.

Golden wrote:Oh, right. So the town was doomed from the moment I chose epi. Well, it would have been very difficult for me to win and the town to win in the same game, then.

See? I fuck over the civilians even when I'm bad and getting night killed by the serial killer.

It's like, my thing.

Golden wrote:Nah, epi is epi.

Scotty wrote:Rico is good.
MP is bad.
Beck is gab.
JJJ is meh.
SVS is gone.
Leetic is hi.
Boom is high.
Epi is Epi.
Sloonei is circumstantial.
MM is crabs.
Wilgy is $}£*G:".
INH is probable.
Golden is lackluster.
Quin is judicial.
Scotty is me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am content to act on the assumption that the serial killer killed Epignosis with the intention of removing a townie. Credit to Epignosis to looking the part (perhaps a little too well ). With this in mind, I think the kill would be less likely to come from someone who was in good standing with Epi. This would be a decent look for Golden 2.0 -- he and Epi had their disagreements, but it never took the form of Epi suspecting Golden. I might even say that from the perspective of a SK Golden, he'd have had Epi pocketed. I don't believe Epi ever cast meaningful suspicion upon Sloonei either -- just an isolated about his Day 1 CFDing.

I can't remember off-hand what Epi's take was on MM and Becquin. I'll have to look.

I was trying to defend reywaS precisely so that the serial killer would leave me alone.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Good then. So much for "I don't bus team mates".

That wasn't my intention. I wanted to spar with Scotty some and vote for him for a while, and I never expected his lynch to take off the way that it did. But he flat out contradicted himself, and I didn't feel like making up a reason to vote somebody else. His goofing up, like thinking the day had ended when there was another 24 hours, also didn't help.

But it was good fun preemptively pissing on process of elimination.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Note to self: when Epignosis can't let it go even when he has to make absurd arguments, lynch him.

See how far that policy gets you.

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of process of elimination this game. Golden was the process.

insertnamehere wrote:oh come on

Wait till you hear about this.

Yep, there it is.

Golden wrote:Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm basically confirmed town.

This bitch. Let's start with him.

What say you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.
I can't speak for Golden, but that one looks like it goes both ways. Ever since the first time "PoE" was uttered in this thread, people who are clueless about it have been crapping on the concept. That's annoying.

I am sure Golden realizes you're a capable civilian player. Let's get over this bullshit and try to win this game. We've all had one fuck up now. I tried to stop the Scotty lynch. Golden spearheaded the Quin 1.0 lynch. You tried to lynch me over reywaS.

Shit happens. Shit happened. Let's go.

All right. I apologize. I'll play ball.

Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.
Who is?

No, no. You're the super civilian. You go.

I'm the peon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I tried to lynch you.

Are we really going to do this tonight? I'm tired.
No, you don't get to pretend those are different. You tried to save a scum. Blatantly. At the very end of the day phase. You've made it abundantly clear you'd do such a thing as a bad guy.

You tried to save Scotty.

Blatantly.

At the very end of the day phase.

Kiss my ass.

I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.
You know, that describes my daily routine pretty well, given the punctuation.
You tried to save reywaS.

I tried to lynch you.

Are we really going to do this tonight? I'm tired.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.

You know, that describes my daily routine pretty well, given the punctuation.

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm tired of the super-civilian bullshit.
And all the super-civilians are tired of your anti-super-civilian bullshit.

So, who gives a shit? Lets all get over ourselves, stop criticising play styles, and try to win?

You act as though other playstyles are a personal affront to you and you have to prove them meaningless. Why is it so important to you?

"Playstyles" don't exist. They are myths and bullshit. That's why I don't have one. Nobody does.

I caught mafia. I'm slightly civilian.

3J has caught nobody. He's definitely civilian.

Whose ass do I have to kiss?

I'm screaming that 3J is bad, and you've got him "strong town." What the hell?

But you super-civilians have your methods, and they must be far superior to mine.

It's not about ego.

It's about you being a dingus.

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Sloonei didn't vote Scotty in the end. I did. Nice job catching mafia and not voting for him, Sloonei. Jesus.
This is true and definitely shouldn't be lost sight of.

But epi, just look at this...

Epignosis wrote:It's win-win for me.

If 3J is bad, then I called him out.

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

I'm a genuis.
How is this supposed to be taken seriously? How am I supposed to trust someone who openly acknowledges that for them, this lynch is more a matter of pride than it is about who is bad.

You just wish everyone would play like you and bow down to the way you play, but you aren't going to change Jay.

Nobody has listened to me since Day 1.

My ego is in check, Master Golden.

Like I said, you super-civilians tell me how you want me to vote, and that's how I'll vote. I don't think it matters at this point, and I'm tired of the super-civilian bullshit. POEs and GTHs and CFDs.

Sounds like my job with all those three-letter items.

Sloonei didn't vote Scotty in the end. I did. Nice job catching mafia and not voting for him, Sloonei. Jesus.

Fuck villages also.

I tell you what. I'm going to sit out and let 3J run the rest of the lynches. You all listen to him. I'll vote where he says to vote next.

See where it gets us.

Strong town.

Jesus.

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.
Exactly.

It's just - honestly, epi, the idea that you 'win' by losing the game but calling out Jay's methods are stupid.

Are you going to change Jay's methods? No.
If Jay's methods were right, would it change your mind about it? No, you'd just say Jay was lucky.

Your suspicion of Jay is literally about nothing but your own ego. But at least Jay is evaluating everyone in the game. From my perspective, Jay being wrong about people while actually trying to win the game is a far superior effort to you being wrong about Jay and doing literally nothing else.

If Jay is bad, you get all the congrats from me. If Jay is not bad, should I call it a win that I can call out how wrong you are? I don't think so. I don't get any satisfaction out of bragging about you being wrong. There is no win there...

I don't want your congrats. I want to win.

I fucking caught Mafia DAY ONE. How often does that happen?

What did he do? Wave his hands and ask us to lynch someone else.

Yeah, enjoy calling me out on my ego. I've been shot down since Day 1.

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?
What do you want?
First nerdy ass obvious thing I could think of

"The Man From Another Place"

PM S~V~S or MP.

insertnamehere wrote:So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?

What do you want?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.
My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.
I don't have a "playstyle."
Keep telling yourself that.

What's going to happen if I do?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.
My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.

I don't have a "playstyle."

It's win-win for me.

If 3J is bad, then I called him out.

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

I'm a genuis.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I will grant though that my reads in this game, at least among those revealed so far, have been turds. I deserve ridicule for that if nothing else.

Happy to oblige.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think Epi's mindset is very simplistic, but it's also one he adopted as a townie in Triskaidekaphobia when he wasted all of his energy chasing me around -- that I was wrong on the first two lynches and it was suspicious of me to be wrong on the first two lynches. I thought he was scapegoating me then as a baddie. This time I'll just assume that's how he thinks.
Reference

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I trust DrWilgy.

Inconsistent bastard.

Golden wrote:Arguing someone is bad because they are wrong is a fallacy, and you know it and would call others out for using it, so I'm not sure why you spend so much time pushing that angle?

Did you end up voting Jay or rey yesterday?

I voted 3J.

Golden wrote:Current rainbow list

Strong town

Jay

The guy who tried to save Scotty Day 1.
The guy who helped lynch the first Quin Day 2.
The guy who lynched reywaS the inactive Day 3.

I must not be doing it right.

Yawn.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If a civilian is lynched, I will refuse to stand for the national anthem.
Will you sing a song for america?

I can just about play it on the violin.

If a civilian is lynched, I will refuse to stand for the national anthem.

How do you know the Golden and Ricochet kills were the serial killer kills?

How do you catch them? Enlighten me.

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

Epignosis wrote:That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?
I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.
That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?
What makes it peculiar?
Why would you not simply want to lynch the person most likely to be mafia or most likely to be the serial killer? It seems you are thinning out or weakening your suspicions by trying to potentially lynch them both. You can only lynch one player at a time. Why not focus on one role?

Because you catch serial killers by luck. Even if I'm wrong that 3J is mafia, there's a chance he's a serial killer. If you're wrong about reywaS, you're probably not getting the serial killer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.
Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.
The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.
That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

We'll see how weak they are, Mr. "Don't lynch Scotty please and thank you."

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?
I didn't see your vote. I just ran back in here from outside (the fire alarm has gone off twice today). I was afraid I wouldn't get to change my vote in time.
Were the fire alarm the "fun" thing you alluded to then?

There wasn't anything fun about that.

Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

Epignosis wrote:That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?
I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.
That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

What makes it peculiar?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.
Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

Sloonei wrote:Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?

I didn't see your vote. I just ran back in here from outside (the fire alarm has gone off twice today). I was afraid I wouldn't get to change my vote in time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

Epignosis wrote:That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

What stuff, INH?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You've always been a fuck up in my book Rob.

Fuckin' A.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The deadline is in 14 hours and the Americans are going to sleep.

Apparently 72 hours isn't enough.

I still feel like I'm fucking up not voting you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The people I most want to hear from are either not present (reywaS, INH) or aren't saying anything substantial (Wilgy).

I doubt you're going to hear from rey. From my experience, he comes in happy as hell to play or sub in, and then fucks off elsewhere. I don't get it. He's been that way forever.

INH has been around and has participated. Why won't he say anything?

DrWilgy I won't pretend to understand. He's Vompatti's cousin.

I'm bored and drinking. Where's the talk?

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