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by Epignosis
Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:11 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over

Ricochet wrote:Dead in one cycle because Daisy and Epignosis were mafia. Again. A Guess Who gain.

Can't even be mad, must be human nature.
Blame the girls. My role in BTSC was "Uh-huh." "Sounds good." "Fine by me." "Yep, that works." XD
by Epignosis
Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over

Will that be a fedora with cheese or a derby with sautéed mushrooms?
by Epignosis
Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:00 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I just got off work.
How was work?
Long 12 hour day.
by Epignosis
Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:56 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

I just got off work.
by Epignosis
Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

I didn't get to this last night because I was too busy punching in the numbers. I won my first DFS tournament. :slick: Not that money does any good on this island.

Setting aside my preconceptions:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Quin wrote:If it comes to a tie breaker I'll be moving my vote to Eloh to save G-Man. I do not want to do that. Alternatively you could all vote INH.
You feel confident enough in G-Man's alignment to save him?

Linki: You're considering voting someone for roleplay/low content?
And?
It's just odd that you want others to excuse your low content because, hey it's Day 1! But you would consider voting someone else for that reason, that's all I'm saying

Quin: Can you please explain why you feel that confident about him this early?

MP: Why Elo over G-Man?

Linki: I'm here, who are we considering?
Because I'm townreading G-Man, whereas I'm just ??? on Elo.

How do you feel about Rico and Soneji?
"just ???? on Eloh." Then a minute later:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't see anything from my wife to suggest she's bad.
I agree.

Whom are you considering?

I'm currently contemplating Rico and Soneji, but I'm listening.
MP- You agreed with me about Eloh but you said you were ??? about her (where ??? stands in contrast to "townreading") a minute prior. How does seeing nothing that suggests someone is bad make you ??? about her?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Y'all are so fun.

G, why did you wait until the last minute to declare where you would stay for the night?

MP, I am good. You watched lost, right? Read through my posts when you get a chance (just mine) and then make up your mind about me. I know I waffled a little on G, but I always do. I still half think he is good and half think he is bad. He's been helpful, but his motivations could be bad. He waited until the last minute to claim where he will stay, that pings a bit.

But I am more pinged by Sorsha and that is why I voted her. He role played the hell out of these past 48 hours and contributed nothing, imo. She claims that those who came in and claimed their night stay and left are suspicious but I don't find that suspicious at all. I am guessing those are busy people trying to get done what is required of them and then being on their merry way. I think they were bad, they would hold out to see where others were going first.

Woah linki
Of course I watched LOST; that's how I met a lot of these fine people in our community, including my wife, and discovered mafia. :slick:

You don't have to give me an excuse for an ISO; I'll gladly take a look. :p I've posted like a madperson in GY!BE and am planning on ISOs there too, but I'll maybe throw a few down here soon too.
I don't get anything from this, but I'm including it anyway. This on the other hand:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:MP... I am claire for goodness sakes. Claire is not bad.
This pretty much says it all.

Upgrading Elo to strong mafia read.
Explain how this says it all. What does it say and how does it say it?
It's a non-defense.
This sudden shift came after the Hatch, so time to go there.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I hit play and danced a jig, G. Thanks for the music.
Quin wrote:Me, because I have a power role.
Why would you say this. Do you WANT to be killed? Or are you mafia? :shrug:

I was thinking MP as well. I think he is civ and I can imagine the baddies picking to off him early.

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woah woah woah.....this is nuts. So we are stuck in the hatch for day 2? And Rico is dead. So one of the Hatchlings are bad for sure.
What specifically have I done or said to have you reading me as town?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Elohcin
G-man
Insertnamehere
DFaraday
MovingPictures07
Quin

After finding out Rico was killed, this is my rainbow list of those here in the Hatch.

linki...what do you mean by hatch claim/overall claim?
And how does you calling me town jive with this list? I don't understand. There's obvious lack of congruence.
Eloh never responded to MP about the "obvious lack of congruence," but said that she thinks MP would be making this more of a priority if he were bad. I don't agree with that assessment and I don't think MP would either.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.


Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.


@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.
Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.
Elo, your play is reeking of TMI, as if you know that I'm town. Not a good look.
The only context of their Hatch exchange that makes any sense to me if they are both bad is that Eloh flubbed her rainbow list and MP felt the need to call that out before anybody else did.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I suspect Elo and G-Man.
MP did leave the door open to go either way with his vote (despite calling G-Man good Day 1).
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Between Elohcin's TMI behavior and her suspicion of Quin for hard claiming power role, I feel most comfortable lynching her today. I feel less enthusiastically in support of G-Man's lynch because I feel like the generation of most of his content is lacking a transparent assessment of other alignments, but I don't feel strongly about this.

I'm digging DF's activity and sincerity, but there's some concern for me that keeps him from ranking more highly, namely that he seemed intent on casting shade at Soneji voters which struck me as over-the-top and myopic, and now he seems to have inexplicably changed focus. One could see it as opportunistic.

Quin and INH are certain town reads at the moment. I don't want to lynch either of them. INH's interactions with G-Man are solidly town.
That underlined segment is ironic given the criticism of how "intent" DF was.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin, will you lynch Elohcin with me?
Ask me again in an hour. I want to see how the rest of the conversation plays out.
Fair enough.
This is an unnecessary push if MP and Eloh are teammates. Quin raised the point that Mafia would have the advantage of seeing both sides, so that's worth investigating.
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Who needs to be hit with the Eko stick?

Poll ended at Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:36 pm

DFaraday
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Elohcin
3
MovingPictures07 (5), G-Man (7), Quin (8)
38%

Epignosis
0
No votes

G-Man
2
insertnamehere (2), DFaraday (4)
25%

insertnamehere
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

Quin
1
Elohcin (6)
13%

Scotty
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

Take me to the question mark (nons/deads)
2
Golden (1), Metalmarsh89 (3)
25%


Total votes : 8


Who needs to be hit with the Eko stick?

Poll ended at Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:36 pm

DFaraday
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis
2
Scotty (4), Sorsha (5)
33%

G-Man
2
Dom (2), Spacedaisy (6)
33%

insertnamehere
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

Quin
0
No votes

Scotty
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

Take me to the question mark (nons/deads)
2
Golden (1), Metalmarsh89 (3)
33%


Total votes : 6


Dom cast his Beach vote for G-Man the evening before, so G-Man already had one on that side.
MP cast his vote for Eloh at 6:09pm EST after G-Man had two Hatch votes.
G-Man voted Eloh 6:59pm EST
Quin followed suit at 7:02pm EST.
Spacedaisy cast the last vote on the Beach side at 7:15pm EST, which sealed the deal for G-Man.

In the very least, this timeline supports Quin's theory.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Quin wrote:In looking into whether I can garner any form of motivation for a Dom kill besides it just being convenient, there wasn't much relevant content related to Dom. I found one post from both SD and DF that I'd like them to talk about some more.
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Spacedaisy wrote:Literally nothing.

Scotty came in, Sorsha said she suspected him the most but didn't want to vote someone not present to defend himself. She asked me my opinion of MP and my response was I am solidly reading civ MP this game.

Dom voted G-Man with no explanation, which is why I went back to the main thread to see if he voted him Day 1, and he did. Reading Dom in ISO made me feel like I trusted him more than anyone else in my thread at that point too.

Scotty voted Epi/Kate because he didn't flirt more with Scotty/Sawyer in his roleplay. :confused:

Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.

I voted G-Man because all I had was Day 1 to go off of, and I only trusted Dom because everyone else was hopped up on drugs or something judging by the way they were popping off votes with no explanation or reasoning.

Epi missed the vote.

Whole lot of nothing. Very confusing nothing.
Daisy, neither of these statements provided a definitive conclusion about you felt about Dom in the wider scope of the game, more-so it was specific to those on the beach. Help me understand why you thought this post was necessary, because I don't know why it matters how you felt about someone among an apart-from-the-obvious completely random minority. I'd also like to know your thoughts on those who were with you on the beach.

@DFaraday - in this post, you've got Dom smack bang in the middle of your rainbow list. What was your reason for this?
I didn't have any read on him at all. Same reason Daisy and Epi were in the middle. Though right now I'd move Epi down, since I'm starting to suspect Epi and Elo are bad together.
Epi not thinking anything in particular about the fact that Eloh considered going left-field with her vote doesn't jive too well with me. If we lynch Eloh and she flips bad, I don't think Epi looks great.
So I'm supposed to think Eloh is bad for that? Is that how this works?
That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
I found this dubious before, and I still find it dubious.

If anyone is taking advantage of a scummy-seeming town Elo, it's DFaraday.
I didn't see anything in MP's posts to suggest a change of mindset that went from "strong mafia read" to "scummy-seeming town Elo."
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm torn on Elo. I really, really thought she was bad. I'm less inclined to think she is, but I am not completely ignoring the perspective that she's just feigning all of this. Her contributions are weak either way, and I still think her town read of me reads like she has information that I'm town rather than any compelling in-thread reason to believe I'm town.
Now at "torn."
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:My only reason I think you are civ, MP is because I think you would be more posty if you were bad. I think you would make it more of a priority to be here and involved throughout the game and not just EoD.

Hey Quin, how is it beneficial to a civ to claim a power role at the beginning of Night when baddies are deliberating who to kill?
I understand; it just seems pretty weak for me to be your top town read. I guess it makes sense, even if I don't believe it's true -- I don't think my activity depends much, if at all, on my alignment.
Nope- MP didn't agree with her assessment of him.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin v. Elo is increasingly reading town v. town to me. I think our mafia are sitting back and letting town fight it out. I'm inclined to think some combination of DF, INH, Scotty, and Sorsha are our baddies.
From "torn" to "town" in nine minutes. :|
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I don't like either of the two who are currently voting with me. But I also don't want to move my vote.
I understand your reservations about Elo. Trust me. I came into this thread ready to grill her to oblivion. I still have doubts lingering in the back of my mind.

But contrast her game with DF and INH's games. Their games are the epitome of lacking any town spark whatsoever. They don't indicate any consideration of hunting.

Take a leap of faith with me.
My question regarding the underlined is this: Why wouldn't you grill her anyway? If you had real questions that needed answers, why not do your thing and see what comes of it?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:MP's Rainbow List #4 - Night 3

Strong Town:
N/A

Moderate Town:
Spacedaisy

Weak Town:
Epignosis

Weak Mafia:
Sorsha
Scotty
Elohcin


Moderate Mafia:
Quin

Strong Mafia:
insertnamehere
To use MP's words, there's an "obvious lack of congruence" regarding this and MP's current vote. To be fair, MP would later call this "gut-based drivel."
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing :p
Why that combination? I mean, if you could succinctly summarize why you think the behavior of those players displays mafia-aligned behavior, and why the behavior of players you DIDN'T include in your fictional team, that'd be great. I know you've talked about it before, but just brief little blurbs about each player would be nice.

I'm remaining open-minded myself, hence why I said "right now" in that quote you're responding to. I don't think I'd agree with last night MP right now. I'm not sure what I would say right now. I need to dig through ISOs first... I hope I have time to.
Is it rude to ask you to just reread my posts? I'm just really not feeling well...got a cold Sunday night and its kicking my butt.
It's not rude, but I think it's prudent that we all re-assess. We haven't lynched a single member of the mafia. If you're still holding onto weak or Day 1 reasons to town read someone, that's not sufficient. So I was asking for updated reads from you, which I think is a more than fair request.
There's a minor tiff between Eloh and MP here, in contrast to the more explosive back and forth between MP and INH.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I've found Epi's contributions genuine throughout this game, but thinking on it, I'm not entirely sure why. His contributions leave a bit to be desired. He doesn't seem too interested in actually uncovering who the mafia are given our current dire situation; where's the sense of urgency?

I flipped on Elo for what I deemed as legitimate reasons during yesterday's lynch, but I've since been questioning that. I find the following things questionable:
- Why is it that Elo dropped the power role thing upon my explanation when a previous similar explanation was given this game?
- Why was Elo unwilling to vote for INH due to seeming "helpful" only to find his arguments against me last Night unconvincing, and thereby seemingly more likely to vote for him? I don't see any assessment from Elo regarding whether INH's contributions are genuine, regardless of how convincing or not they are.
- Why is Elo still essentially clearing me based on my activity level? This still reeks of TMI, and I wonder if I was too quick to overlook this.

Lastly, regarding Sorsha, I'm torn on her. At times I've found her contributions genuine, but there's some definite reason to suspect her, especially her behavior during d3. What was that voting based on her trusting players, yet having no opinion at all on the two players she was considering voting for? I think that's an awful look.

Nonetheless, I'm torn.
MP has expressed the gamut of possibilities regarding Eloh. The above is his explanation of that. Having now looked at all of MP's interactions with Eloh, I'm left with this: Why doesn't MP ask her these questions and demand responses? Outside of the Hatch, MP has treated Eloh with kid gloves. I would think that if you are genuinely torn on someone, you would be more eager to strive for answers so that you could gain a clear opinion.

In summary, I am less convinced of MP's goodness than I was, and I cannot rule out an MP-Eloh relationship. However, the points in his favor that I made earlier are still points in his favor.

I don't have time, but if you are interested, here are two times when MP and Eloh have been teammates.
by Epignosis
Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:44 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

I need to entertain the idea that MP and Eloh are both bad and I've been had. I'll do that later this evening.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

Hatch

DFaraday -Lynch
Elohcin
G-Man - Lynch
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet - Kill

Beach

Dom - Kill
Epignosis
Scotty - Kill
Sorsha
Spacedaisy

From the hatch, that leaves:

Eloh
INH
MP
Quin

I stand by my assessment of Eloh and MP. If I'm wrong, oh well. That means my vote today is going to either Quin or INH.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:54 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

MP is good. That lashing out at his accusers tonight? That's good stuff.

I've got Eloh and MP as good. Mafia getting nervous yet?
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:04 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

I don't see where DF suspected MP.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

I'm still convinced Eloh is okay. If she's bad, then good on her and good for you people who saw what I didn't. But I stand by my man. Er, woman.

Is Kate bisexual? A scene with her and Juliet could have ramped up the ratings, know what I mean? Image
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Everything sucks.

I thought this was Season 2, not Season 6.
This is the Fire + Water, Abandoned, Adrift, The Whole Truth part of the season. I.e. everything not in the hatch or relating to the Others.
I liked Season 2. Everything sucked in season 6.

My sense of humor probably sucked there. That's okay. I'm Kate.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:19 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

Everything sucks.

I thought this was Season 2, not Season 6.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:54 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

I spent the last two minutes refreshing the previous page.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi and Elo, would you be willing to vote INH?
Not at this time. I am not convinced he is bad.
Why? What specifically do you find suspicious enough about DF to vote for him, but not about INH?
I think the points made against DF are more noteworthy than the ones against INH. I thought INH had been pretty helpful. His helpfulnees has petered off, for sure. I just think DF is more likely bad.

Linki: He's lying about that. But I do forget things. This is why I keep everything written down. But when it comes to old games, the only way I would be able to remember them is if I were to take notes of important happenings and refresh my memory of those things before each new game I play. I cannot be that involved in Mafia...not enough time.

I can remember some things really well too. And I am good with faces and pictures. YOu know how you can see an actor and thin..."oh, I have seen them in something before." I can always place a face/voice/etc. Will I know the title of what they played in? No...but I can tell you the plot or genre or whatever. My brain is weird. I blame public school for the inability to learn the way I should have and that's why I have a hard time as an adult, imo.
She should be in a home, really. :sigh:
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Sorsha wrote:Ugh.... why does it have to be tied???!!!
Ugh...that's where you come in.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Elohcin wrote:Epi is lying. I don't yell at him for things that's don't happen. It's not THAT bad.
See? She's forgotten already!
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:26 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:If I am a liability to the civs, I am very sorry. I do have a memory problem, for real. It's one of the reasons I decided to begin playing Mafia...to try and keep my mind as sharp as possible.
Is that really true? I didn't know that. That's sort of fascinating.

Is it like Daniel Faraday in LOST? :p
She yells at me for things that never happened. :sigh:
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Those of you who believe I'm civ better be voting to save my ass.

Hey Quin, how is it beneficial to a civ to claim a power role at the beginning of Night when baddies are deliberating who to kill?

Hey Sorsha. What is "it"?
Elo, I understand you're making a point, but the repetition of this question isn't helping you at all.

Here's your answer. Vanilla townies fake claiming power roles so that they can keep the real power roles alive is a legitimate strategy because it helps to keep power roles alive. If the mafia believes the fake claim by a vanilla townie, they will NK them because they want to NK the power roles first. It's how I tricked you and your team in Arrested Development by trying to seem like I was the cop. You bought it, then Spacedaisy (the real cop) outed you all and solved the game. Remember that?

OOOHHHH! I DO remember. Thank you so much, MP. See...another reason to put you in the civ category.

So...do you think this is what Quin did or should we not even talk about it :)...kind of defeats the purpose.

woah linki
:haha:
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

I'm voting DF.

*Pouts sexily at the camera, turns around, and bends over to pick up a clue*

I really don't remember what Kate does.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:00 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

DFaraday wrote:
Elohcin wrote:You said, you understand what Quin is doing. You say it's done a lot in small games like this. I am 100% honest in saying that I have NO CLUE what you are talking about. What is done a lot in small games like this one?

Linki.....now see...you are evading my questions too. You and Quin are having yourselves a little laugh in the BTSC thread aren't you?

"LOL, Quin, I'm getting in on this too. I'm going to annoy Eloh just like you have been. It, it, it! :P"
"Good job, Sorsha. We can easily get her lynched if we keep this up. And look, Daisy is being fooled by it all too. That other game where she fooled Epi is really playing in our favor."
"Wassup guy!, DF here. Epi is on to me. :O"

More linki....Quin, I have too much stuff that goes on in my life. I don't remember crap from game to game. Once the game is over, I have to empty out the details so I can function as a business owner, stay-at-home, homeschooling mother of three.

More linki (from SD)I will read in a minute
But if you knew about the power claiming stuff in another game, that doesn't seem the sort of thing you'd up and forget all about. Also, nice triple NO U. Voting Elo.
Meet Eloh.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Quin wrote:In looking into whether I can garner any form of motivation for a Dom kill besides it just being convenient, there wasn't much relevant content related to Dom. I found one post from both SD and DF that I'd like them to talk about some more.
Spoiler: show
Spacedaisy wrote:Literally nothing.

Scotty came in, Sorsha said she suspected him the most but didn't want to vote someone not present to defend himself. She asked me my opinion of MP and my response was I am solidly reading civ MP this game.

Dom voted G-Man with no explanation, which is why I went back to the main thread to see if he voted him Day 1, and he did. Reading Dom in ISO made me feel like I trusted him more than anyone else in my thread at that point too.

Scotty voted Epi/Kate because he didn't flirt more with Scotty/Sawyer in his roleplay. :confused:

Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.

I voted G-Man because all I had was Day 1 to go off of, and I only trusted Dom because everyone else was hopped up on drugs or something judging by the way they were popping off votes with no explanation or reasoning.

Epi missed the vote.

Whole lot of nothing. Very confusing nothing.
Daisy, neither of these statements provided a definitive conclusion about you felt about Dom in the wider scope of the game, more-so it was specific to those on the beach. Help me understand why you thought this post was necessary, because I don't know why it matters how you felt about someone among an apart-from-the-obvious completely random minority. I'd also like to know your thoughts on those who were with you on the beach.

@DFaraday - in this post, you've got Dom smack bang in the middle of your rainbow list. What was your reason for this?
I didn't have any read on him at all. Same reason Daisy and Epi were in the middle. Though right now I'd move Epi down, since I'm starting to suspect Epi and Elo are bad together.
Epi not thinking anything in particular about the fact that Eloh considered going left-field with her vote doesn't jive too well with me. If we lynch Eloh and she flips bad, I don't think Epi looks great.
So I'm supposed to think Eloh is bad for that? Is that how this works?
No, but you're supposed to take some sort of stance. You're not even on the fence.
But I do like straddling things. :shrug:
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:32 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Spacedaisy wrote:Your wife has fooled you before Epi, in Jessica Jones she played up her lack of knowledge and you took the bait, declaring her a clueless civ who has not kept up. Do you think there is any possibility she could be doing that to you again here? I don't see a good civ reason for going on after him relentlessly either when many others in the hatch thread made it pretty clear there is a good civ reason for Quin to do what he did. As a civ I would be more likely to back off when I felt like there was clearly something I was missing, so I am struggling to relate to Elo's pursuit of Quin right now. I have seen nothing from Quin to suggest baddie to me, but I've also seen nothing to suggest civ either. I can see a reason to do what he did, but a baddie can do it just the same.
Charlie is a good bass player, but it doesn't mean he doesn't hit a bad note sometimes.

What you would do and what she would do are two different things. She even called him rude. Do you think she'd say that when she could find out what she wanted to know in a BTSC group?
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:52 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Living Hatch people:

DFaraday
Elohcin
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin

The exchange between Elohcin and Quin gave me the impression that both are good. Despite my opinion about her, Quin's response wasn't to consider that Eloh is, in fact, good, but rather to latch on to DF's idea that we are teammates. Quin's justification for considering that idea is weak- that I should have been moved in some way by how Eloh considered voting Sorsha (i.e., someone on the beach and not in the hatch), but I'm not. Mechanics are not in the forefront of Eloh's mind. Notice how she keeps asking Quin that same question over and over. I say she genuinely doesn't know, and if she had BTSC, she could have asked that question in there, got her answer, and kept quiet about the matter in the thread. Instead, she's gone after Quin relentlessly. That says civilian to me, and I am more convinced about her goodness than I am about Quin's.

As one might infer, I am suspicious of DFaraday. In the Hatch, he stuck to the idea that someone was being saved Day 1, and he named G-Man and Eloh. Now that G-Man is gone, DF sticks to his theory and can conveniently default to Eloh for his Day 3 vote. Now he names me as Eloh's teammate. Not good, heroin-head.

Now MP...
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd also prefer to vote Elo over G-Man myself, but I'm not really sold on Elo being a worthwhile vote.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel tentatively OK about Sorsha's response, even though I find it ironic that she displayed a willingness to vote someone for RPing/low content. I don't really want to vote for her at this point either.

CFD on someone else?
...suggested the out-of-nowhere train against Soneji. G-Man was good, and if you accept that Eloh is good as I do, then this means that an evil MP would have no reason to suggest randomly jumping on someone else. If he is bad, it means he took a really unnecessary risk for Day 1.

INH was indignant about G-Man holding his cards to his chest and...that's about it. He didn't follow up on his Quin suspicion at all in the Hatch except to color the name orange. I have no reason to believe insertnamehere is a civilian based on any of that.

Of the hatchlings, I am most likely to vote DFaraday and least likely to vote Eloh or MP.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

DFaraday wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Quin wrote:In looking into whether I can garner any form of motivation for a Dom kill besides it just being convenient, there wasn't much relevant content related to Dom. I found one post from both SD and DF that I'd like them to talk about some more.
Spoiler: show
Spacedaisy wrote:Literally nothing.

Scotty came in, Sorsha said she suspected him the most but didn't want to vote someone not present to defend himself. She asked me my opinion of MP and my response was I am solidly reading civ MP this game.

Dom voted G-Man with no explanation, which is why I went back to the main thread to see if he voted him Day 1, and he did. Reading Dom in ISO made me feel like I trusted him more than anyone else in my thread at that point too.

Scotty voted Epi/Kate because he didn't flirt more with Scotty/Sawyer in his roleplay. :confused:

Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.

I voted G-Man because all I had was Day 1 to go off of, and I only trusted Dom because everyone else was hopped up on drugs or something judging by the way they were popping off votes with no explanation or reasoning.

Epi missed the vote.

Whole lot of nothing. Very confusing nothing.
Daisy, neither of these statements provided a definitive conclusion about you felt about Dom in the wider scope of the game, more-so it was specific to those on the beach. Help me understand why you thought this post was necessary, because I don't know why it matters how you felt about someone among an apart-from-the-obvious completely random minority. I'd also like to know your thoughts on those who were with you on the beach.

@DFaraday - in this post, you've got Dom smack bang in the middle of your rainbow list. What was your reason for this?
I didn't have any read on him at all. Same reason Daisy and Epi were in the middle. Though right now I'd move Epi down, since I'm starting to suspect Epi and Elo are bad together.
Epi not thinking anything in particular about the fact that Eloh considered going left-field with her vote doesn't jive too well with me. If we lynch Eloh and she flips bad, I don't think Epi looks great.
So I'm supposed to think Eloh is bad for that? Is that how this works?
That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
There's nothing logical about that at all. It's a guess on your part. Most likely nobody was being saved.
by Epignosis
Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:08 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Quin wrote:In looking into whether I can garner any form of motivation for a Dom kill besides it just being convenient, there wasn't much relevant content related to Dom. I found one post from both SD and DF that I'd like them to talk about some more.
Spoiler: show
Spacedaisy wrote:Literally nothing.

Scotty came in, Sorsha said she suspected him the most but didn't want to vote someone not present to defend himself. She asked me my opinion of MP and my response was I am solidly reading civ MP this game.

Dom voted G-Man with no explanation, which is why I went back to the main thread to see if he voted him Day 1, and he did. Reading Dom in ISO made me feel like I trusted him more than anyone else in my thread at that point too.

Scotty voted Epi/Kate because he didn't flirt more with Scotty/Sawyer in his roleplay. :confused:

Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.

I voted G-Man because all I had was Day 1 to go off of, and I only trusted Dom because everyone else was hopped up on drugs or something judging by the way they were popping off votes with no explanation or reasoning.

Epi missed the vote.

Whole lot of nothing. Very confusing nothing.
Daisy, neither of these statements provided a definitive conclusion about you felt about Dom in the wider scope of the game, more-so it was specific to those on the beach. Help me understand why you thought this post was necessary, because I don't know why it matters how you felt about someone among an apart-from-the-obvious completely random minority. I'd also like to know your thoughts on those who were with you on the beach.

@DFaraday - in this post, you've got Dom smack bang in the middle of your rainbow list. What was your reason for this?
I didn't have any read on him at all. Same reason Daisy and Epi were in the middle. Though right now I'd move Epi down, since I'm starting to suspect Epi and Elo are bad together.
Epi not thinking anything in particular about the fact that Eloh considered going left-field with her vote doesn't jive too well with me. If we lynch Eloh and she flips bad, I don't think Epi looks great.
So I'm supposed to think Eloh is bad for that? Is that how this works?
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:35 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:That was quick. I learned nothing.
I looked at Dom's posts already too. I say the bad guys got lucky as hell.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:28 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:What do you think about the fact that she considered voting Sorsha when we only had confirmed baddies within the hatch?
I don't think anything of it.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:Do you think she is bad?
No. She's ignorant, and people keep playing her.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:12 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

But you could go ahead and lynch her anyway.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:11 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Hey Quin...You still a power role? :haha:

Maybe you can answer Eloh's question. I guarantee you she really really doesn't get it.
Now I'm a super power role. :beer:

I think she does get it, and is feigning otherwise in order to paint my definitely having a power role as something sinister.
No, she really doesn't get it. I promise you. She isn't that kind of duplicitous.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:00 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

Hey Quin...You still a power role? :haha:

Maybe you can answer Eloh's question. I guarantee you she really really doesn't get it.
by Epignosis
Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:37 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 2

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:MP... I am claire for goodness sakes. Claire is not bad.
This pretty much says it all.

Upgrading Elo to strong mafia read.
Explain how this says it all. What does it say and how does it say it?
by Epignosis
Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:45 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 2

Elohcin wrote:Guess what, Quin. I have 13+ years experience being a wife which had taught me how to nap really well. I WILL nag you to death if I have to. Muah-Ha-Ha! Just answer the fucking question so I can move on!!!
I'm sure as hell not getting any sleep...
by Epignosis
Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 2

Spacedaisy wrote:Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.
I wasn't there when she voted for me. :suspish:
by Epignosis
Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 1

Spoiler: show
G-Man wrote:Coming at you with my pre-vote madness ISO thoughts. I plan on reading the full Day 1 to see how my opinions may or may not shift after digesting the events leading to Soneji's lynch.

This is broken into five categories: Good, Semi-Good, Neutral, Semi-Bad, and Bad. All names are listed in approximate best-to-worst order.

GOOD
Spacedaisy- Her reversal on me in this post was stark. She even seemed to lean in my direction. There wasn't any firm case against me outside of bashing my theorizing, so for her to adopt this stance as a baddie doesn't make sense. There's sidling up to LHF and then there's what she did. Too loud and visible to register as a baddie for me.

Elohcin- The start of her game confused me a little because it seemed haphazard and directionless. But this is a good thing, I think. Sure, she's undoubtedly tinkered with her baddie game by now but she didn't come off in a way that struck me as too agreeable, which is a quality I've spotted in her baddie game the last couple times. She's thinking for herself without letting her thoughts run away with her.


SEMI-GOOD
Quin- I just saw Quin all but clean up as a beast of a baddie in Mad Max but I liked his tone at first. He was curious and just a little confused. He prefers to not have information and he reads like someone who doesn't know much about the game. That's not easily faked but I'll keep looking for any signs of deception.

Soneji- He took a pretty direct approach to things and held fluff to a minimum. I like that. I didn't know that was his normal approach to the game. I've been in two games with him (Turf Wars & Spirited Away) and only one of those games featured direct interaction.

Insertnamehere- He was scratching around at things early on instead of coasting or getting silly with roleplay, asking questions about the game and open to game-relevant discussion. It can be faked, but it seemed genuine enough at the time, despite a small number of posts. More reading required on this one.

Scotty- He's busy and hasn't posted much but for some reason, my gut steers me off of neutral for him. Maybe that's just because he's Sawyer.


NEUTRAL
DFaraday- Low post count that skewed heavier on roleplay than relevant. He was coaxed into reaching for some LHF in Eloh. It's possible I have him and Rico mixed up. Hard to say whether a baddie is the first to suggest LHF or the first to warm up to it.

Epignosis- He's got Kate down to an artform. He's here but not very useful. I'm keeping him here because I have a tendency to auto-sus him.

Dom- I would have placed him in my semi-bad reads save for this comment. That's the kind of comment that comes back to haunt you if I do get killed. Otherwise, his content was lacking and it seems he wasn't paying much attention to the rules. Sick player coasting on Day 1 or slick baddie going under the radar?


SEMI-BAD
MovingPictures07- He had very few posts by the time I did my ISO's and he didn't contribute anything beyond suggesting Daisy was civvie, which I agree with. His post count exploded after that, so I will have to do much more reading to re-calibrate my stance on him.

Ricochet- Lots of pointless roleplaying early on. He only broke that roleplay to reach for LHF in Eloh (and later me). She's an easy target early in games because she's gotten busted once or twice early on recently. I can understand that he's busy hosting a game of his own but for someone who claims he is 10% invested in this game, he's doing alright in the post count.


BAD
Sorsha- Getting LRD vibes from her use of roleplay to coast through most of Day 1. Check her ISO- her first post with anything game-relevant in it came after I threw shade at her and voted for her. Why wait until the final hour of the day to engage? She mentioned not being good at Day 1's. I can sympathize with that's no reason to coast. Also, if any civvie-seeming role could go rogue in this game based on the show, it's Michael.
LHF?

LRD?

LOST?
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:42 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 1

Quin wrote:Scotty jumped on the end of that wagon at the last second after it had already taken charge. He hadn't voted before then AFAIK, so I might actually be inclined to civ read him for that. If he were bad, maybe he would've just not voted.
I saw that Sorsha had voted Scotty right after I did, and Scotty jumped on Soneji right after that.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

I voted Scotty. I really have no clue right now.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:28 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't see anything from my wife to suggest she's bad.
I agree.

Whom are you considering?

I'm currently contemplating Rico and Soneji, but I'm listening.
I'm brainless eye-candy. No clue.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:24 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

I mean...I didn't mean "wife!" Like, I'm not a Lesbian or anything, I don't think.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

I don't see anything from my wife to suggest she's bad.
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:24 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

I'm going to the beach. I need to work on my tan with my man (whoever that is this season). Image
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:07 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm Kate. I have boobs. Kind of.

I really don't remember much.
I think you shot someone that one time.
Image
by Epignosis
Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:04 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

I'm Kate. I have boobs. Kind of.

I really don't remember much.
by Epignosis
Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:32 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over
Replies: 733
Views: 21169

Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 1

Quin wrote:I'm John Locke, and I have a power role.
Bullshit.

I'm Kate, and I have a power. My ass.

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