The Syndicate

Marmot wrote:I doubted Epignosis every step of the way.

With good reason. I played like ass.

If I had just believed the opposite of everything I did I would have been fine.

I'm having Harry Potter flashbacks.

FZ. wrote:Congrats to the winners Nice job!

Don't know why you had to go and kill me so early, but I forgive you

I was actually screaming at my computer for the civvies to lynch llama, but they wouldn't listen. I guess it's a lot easier to see things in a new light when you're not in the middle of all the mess. But NotSawyer actually fooled me. Like Epi, I didn't see him as bad.
In any case, you both really pulled it off. It was impressive.

Yes, I must say notsawyer's performance was top notch evil. Well done sir.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:This is a bad argument and it made you look bad that you kept making it.

I don't care how it made me look. How I looked was never my concern.

thellama73 wrote:The mix up actually was genuine. Before the game started, I complained to G-Man that my two teammates were people I didn't know and had never played with before. I even threatened not to go into the chat and just play as an indy. When I started playing, I honestly couldn't remember which of them was which. I was worried thta mistake screwed me, but it turned out to be an advantage. So yay me.

This is madness.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yeah! Just like the impassioned arguments I made against my own lynch- oh wait that never happened because I was lynched while I was at work

You forgot the bit where you were lynched at work while there was a confirmed baddie playing.

I wish you had only said, "I'm at work- give me one Day phase:" or something like that.

But you didn't say anything at all, and so I thought I had caught you and was already pouring the Ripple.

notsawyer540 wrote:And I only found out about you and Eloh being married after she was killed. We targeted her because she hadn't really made any waves and I figured it wouldn't have any impact on the rest of the game. Boy was I wrong.

That move alone should've cleared me, and people went against me. And got mad that I kept reiterating it. Frustrating as hell.

"Oh, he keeps saying it- he must be lying about it."

No!

Golden wrote:This was epi's response to me and jay saying we think more of his civ game than his baddie game.

I didn't know what to do. Civilians kept coming after me because they thought I would have killed Eloh to win a heist. Um, no. People were dicking around (thanks Wilgy). There was nothing to dig into, and the only reason why I didn't call out llama earlier about the (obvious) bullshit about mixing people up was that I still confuse Golden with G-Man and vice versa.

No reason this game shouldn't have resulted in a mafia win. Nice job civilians. Jesus. Can we put a little more effort in next time?

notsawyer540 wrote:I'm so relieved. Good game, everyone!

This was both my first time being a baddie and my first time making it past day 4.

@Quin: I probably would've made that same post regardless of whether or not I was bad.

@Epi (aka Fox News): Thank you for your help in lynching all the civs and saving my life.

But seriously, I had a great time. Nothing personal if anyone thought I was rude or abrasive; it was just the persona I was trying out for the game.

You nailed my specialty.

The best thing that could have happened would have been to let myself get lynched.

Thank God that's over.

And now there's this new person, colonialbob, judging me.

If Wilgy is bad and won, he did so dicking around and nobody (including me) roared his happy ass down.

That says more about me than it does Wilgy.

notsawyer540 wrote:I don't support Trump's genital grabbing

Of mine or yours?

notsawyer540 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I voted no on the poll, because redistribution of points is theft.

Said like a conservative scumbag.

I fully support the redistribution of Hillary Points. I love Hillary Points and can't get enough of them. For a good portion of this game I've had the most Hillary Points behind a dead person (SVS). If Hillary liked SVS so much, then why was SVS booted from the administration?

If I was correct about the first two votes from yesterday being civ, then Wilgy, Epi, and I are civ. That only leaves llama and LC. That said, Epi and LC have largely been above suspicion in a game that's currently on night 6 with only one baddie lynched. I see it being either a llama/LC team or a Wilgy/Epi team. Despite my previous suspicion of Epi and my previous civ read on LC, I think a llama/LC team is more likely.

I just don't know.

Alternative facts.

notsawyer540 wrote:OK, so here's my thought process. It's down to two people who've been gunning for me for a while. One of them has been doing it without providing any form of justification by my recollection; and that's DFaraday. Then today he came in after I said that I thought the first two votes placed were civ votes and placed his vote on me to place me in this position. I think it was part of some odd plan to set me up if I lynched llama and the NK got blocked, and I'm not walking into that trap. I hope I'm doing the right thing.

Vote DFaraday.

I hope so too.

I never thought this would be so frustrating for me, but it has been. I feel like I've done nothing but go in circles looking at the same stuff over and over.

thellama73

Yeah, I know it's permanent. Blame Hillary.

I am convinced thellama73 is bad. He campaigned hard for notsawyer, but now? Nothing. He's going after Long Con. He isn't genuine in his opinions.

thellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Is it like you to confuse two completely different people with very different avatars and names, and one of those happens to be bad?

I think a big reason people haven't thought about llama was his "Golly I keep mixing up JackofHearts and notsawyer" business.

thellama73 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In answer to Epi's question, my vote for Quin is based on a Day 0 ping, odd, uncharacteristic behavior, which I tend to associate with baddies. I am also perturbed by Quin's unwillingness to take my vote seriously. I never really intended to leave my vote there, though. I haven't decided where to move it yet, but Notsawyer, for being wishy-washy, might get it. And JackofHearts, for being annoying and not answering questions seriously, might get it.

Can you be more specific?

I don't think there's a real question I've been asked that I didn't take seriously.

Convince me you aren't just being opportunistic by saying you might vote for one of the players who already has two votes for no real reason.

This post is pretty flippant, but in fairness to you, I think I keep confusing you with Notsawyer, since I don't know either of you. I can't tell you apart. Please try to be more distinctive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I don't like the cut of this jackofhearts character's jib. Voting there.

Well I don't like that your avatar is what you'd get if Diablo fucked a sharptooth.

But I don't vote for stupid reason.

thellama73 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Llama

My avatar is anime demigods fighting.

Sawyer's avatar is a baseball bat, possibly named Lucille.

Does that help?

Who would you vote for if you weren't allowed to vote for players you confuse with other players?

Thank you. That does help.

I'm struggling with a lack of strong pings today, if I'm honest. I might vote for FZ, because I found her question about the rules contrived, like Long Con's face.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Because Epi has been so successful at driving us towards SVS, Marmot, and Quin?

This kind of thing irks me.

You speak as though people aren't responsible for their own votes and that I shoulder that responsibility.

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I don't blame you for those lynches. I just think "letting you drive" is stupid given your success rate this game.

That's fallacious thinking too. Even if I were right two out of three times wouldn't guarantee any degree of success in future lynches.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Because Epi has been so successful at driving us towards SVS, Marmot, and Quin?

This kind of thing irks me.

You speak as though people aren't responsible for their own votes and that I shoulder that responsibility.

I don't know why. I've done poorly outside of Day 1.

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You know who has had like zero suspicion against him the entire time?

llama.

Let's talk about him.

What do you want to know?

Are you bad?

You know who has had like zero suspicion against him the entire time?

llama.

Let's talk about him.

As of right now, LC is getting my vote.

I could vote anybody, however.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

Two options:

a) you're bad, you dropped the Eloh thing forever, great job, go on and win. Vote me now, they'll follow you.

b) I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion.

These are the seriously fucking true only options available to you. Read them and know them. I don't have a defense for you. I have sucked ass all game and I already apologized for it. You can win or lose now, I can't help you.

'Cause, you know, that "time forgetting" thing you are saying about me now is so good. Damn, I almost had a BRILLIANT baddie plan but I forgot what day it was! No.

No sir.

"You should already be convinced" means there is evidence in your favor that I am overlooking. What is it?

I'm not playing your games. If you are good, explain why. Don't give me "You're bad" or "I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion."

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

LC is my strongest suspect. I do believe he tried to pull a fast one and blundered the time. He must've pissed off Chronos.

Yeah...this lynch is going to be a disappointment.

DrWilgy wrote:

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).

One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.



Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.

^ This

Marmot wrote:I'm no JaggedJimmyJay, but I don't appreciate your manner of response to my cases.

Mafia is something in which I have to decide whether I think a person actually thinks something is true of if they're only pretending to think something is true. I didn't believe S~V~S genuinely thought I was being set up, and for that and other reasons, I rallied a lynch against her. As it turns out, she must have believed what she believed. Maybe I should've learned my lesson, but it's part of how I operate: I simply cannot fathom your suspicion of me. But if you truly believe what you believe about me, okay. Maybe I'll get lynched next, as you would like. Either way, you will see that you were wrong.

In any event, I apologize for being uncharitable or unkind- to both of you.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?

A moment ago plus one day.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

Marmot wrote:I did, I left you alone. Something happened that changed my mind, but I considered the idea that I was wrong and looked elsewhere.

You did not.

My vote has been on eleven different people today. You left yours on me and didn't even bother saving yourself. I don't call that leaving me alone.

Marmot wrote:His accusations against me are weak, and often off-the-cuff and unfounded. Why? He doesn't need to make a strong case against me; I'm an easy lynch.

Get off your damn "Epignosis is a civilian, because he's always civilian" mentality and get your shit together civilians.

Marmot wrote:I don't really have anything else to say, except lynch Epignosis please.

On the other hand, you could have taken your own advice and realized I'm not bad and went from there. Instead you have foolishly pursued me when I should've been cleared (I'm not even close to tired of saying that), and it deeply troubles me that you are still calling for my head. Some nerve you've got telling civilians to get their shit together when all you've done all Day 5 is leave your vote on the one guy you should know is a civilian.

I almost wish I would have been lynched just to shut you down.

All that's if your frustration here was genuine, of course. I am still hoping it was not.

That last minute fit of frustration does not bode well for the result, I'm afraid. I hope it wasn't genuine.

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I have heard "DFaraday is bad" for a long time now, but am confused about why. Can someone refresh me on the case?

I have no idea why. Something something blendy something something tone reads bad.

MM

Why?

Because your suspicion of me can't be real, and if it is, I'm very sorry for you. I am a civilian.

Would a tie please you, Wilgy?

Some insect keeps buzzing around my face.

thellama73 wrote:I have heard "DFaraday is bad" for a long time now, but am confused about why. Can someone refresh me on the case?

I have no idea why. Something something blendy something something tone reads bad.

MM

MacDougall wrote:What if Epignosis is Donald Trump and he is role playing?

I still wouldn't kill Eloh.

Now notsawyer is dying. How does that suit you?

DFaraday has my vote.

Now it's "between"* you and MM and LC.

*The proper word is "among."

Speak.

This is too much.

MM and LC are the final mafia. End this please.

LC- I'm still waiting to hear your big thing on MM.

MM- I'm still waiting to hear your big thing on LC.

Long Con wrote:Nah guy, I'm someone you want there on Endgame Day. There's obvious reasons I'm Civ. Obvious to me anyway. You think I'm trying to deceive you about something?

Always.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You use me as bait when I'm already the front-runner for being lynched? No. Not your biggest fan.

Convince other people to save you.

I don't even believe you are getting lynched today.

I don't give a damn about that.

You've given me no reason to believe you could be a civilian, and here we are one phase away from Endgame Day.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It's Day 5. I don't see the value of that kind of weak sauce reaction baiting.

MM said he was going to vote you and named reasons he would cite later.

You said you were going to analyze MM and vote him.

I'm not impressed.

Yeah, sorry I'm not impressive. I just get ideas in my head and try them.

How do you figure out who's bad? I don't even know. Sometimes, there's some stuff that looks bad, but everyone's so good at giving reasons for their behaviour, convincing reasons! So, what do you do, automatically ignore those reasons? That's tunnelling. If that's the case I should be voting Llama.

I don't know how to figure out who's lying. So I try things. Gambits, though that's a grandiose name for some of the attempts. I don't think you believe that makes me bad. I'd like to hear Marmot's case anyway though.

You've tried multiple ideas.

What have you done with them?

You defended llama acting like you were a power role.

You said you were going to put up a huge case on MM.

You voted me to get reactions.

I don't see you doing anything with any of that.

Well, I was a leader in the Quin lynch. You don't have to see me doing stuff for me to be doing stuff. Leave me alone. I'm not bad, you don't have to do this. I'm sorry for not being effective.

Linki: Come on, man, don't do this. I'm not smearing my views, and I'm not writing right now for some sinister after-lynch smearing plan. That's crazy talk, Epi, I'm just posting real shit.

You use me as bait when I'm already the front-runner for being lynched? No. Not your biggest fan.

Convince other people to save you.