The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:00 pm Epignosis appealed to me privately via PM telling me he thinks Sloonei is the last mafia and that we should lynch him ASAP

No we wouldn't.

No, I didn't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:42 pm I'm just glad the civilians rocked the shit out of your "team."
If you still want to pretend that I'm bad, then I don't see why you, the "civ", would act cocky or proud when you wanted to save S~V~S and lynch Sloonei.

That's right.

I wanted to save S~V~S the inactive but throw thellama73 the inactive under the bus. All part of the plan.

I'm just glad the civilians rocked the shit out of your "team."

I guess my role doesn't matter.

Y'all have fun.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:10 pm Nice try Epi, but the jig is up for you, I'm afraid. You've stretched yourself too far this time, and you got caught.

Vote Epignosis.

I got caught?

What's my role Long Con?

See, I'm a simple guy. As Mike, I want to eliminate mafia and go bang a cheerleader or something, which is the opposite of being a douche even if I am, indeed, a douche.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

How's that working out for you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:47 pm I was thinking we should lynch Epignosis first. I've been pushing for his lynch all game. And he totally tried to steer people away from the S~V~S lynch, on to Sloonei, who is totally a Civ. He seems really bad to me.

What do you think of that, can that be part of this crazy plan?

I seem really bad to you.

How about I told people my role and even included a description and holy shit the role and description are in the game.

If the above is the route you choose, you are bad, independent, or completely incompetent at figuring me out.

What's your role LC?

Why are you pushing a mutiny play DH?

If you want to win, why not just lynch the last friggin mafia member and be done with it?

INH games do a lot of different things.

Making me grumpy isn't one of them.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:05 pm I don't know what you're talking about Epi. Randomizing 3 winners sounds like the perfect way to end an INH game.

Are you voting for me because you think I'm bad, or are you voting for me because you made a deal with someone to lynch me?

If the latter, just say so.

Oh. Are we still hunting Mafia?

I thought people were coming up with some way to bastardize a legitimate Mafia game with schemes of reeking of random chance.

I think you're making this far more complicated than it is.

Epignosis wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:30 pm
timmer wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:00 pmCAN I FAKE CLAIM AS YOU?
Wha, why, lol>?
Well too late. I already did it. I want the mafia to sweat and think I have another kill. If they kill me, fine, I'm vanilla, and they'll think a killer is still at large.

timmer wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:34 pm LOL dude, didn't even wait for permission! Well, good luck, just try not to drag me into it?

By the way, one other person who shall remain nameless knows my role and that I killed Frank, so in case you try to turn this on me, lol, you a dead man

Good luck with your gambit, though, this is nutty!

Epignosis wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:42 pm
timmer wrote:Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:34 pm LOL dude, didn't even wait for permission! Well, good luck, just try not to drag me into it?

By the way, one other person who shall remain nameless knows my role and that I killed Frank, so in case you try to turn this on me, lol, you a dead man

Good luck with your gambit, though, this is nutty!
I'm a vanilla civilian. I'm only trying to draw the night kill away from you, and if your nameless friend is a civilian, away from her too.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:17 am Nice try Sloonei but I am not the last mafia lol sorry

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:31 am nutella knew timmer was the llama killer.

Her team didn't kill timmer until after it was obvious that timmer was the llama killer (way to go nutella- we do good work).

Explain to me why nutella would hold off on killer timmer with this information.
wait what? I was not on the team that killed timmer. I was on the team that killed llama.

I think you need to read that again.

How about we make this easy, Sloonei.

What role are you?

I am process oriented. Not results oriented.

I therefore don't care that I was wrong.

I won't vote you without due process. I can promise that much.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:47 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:31 am nutella knew timmer was the llama killer.

Her team didn't kill timmer until after it was obvious that timmer was the llama killer (way to go nutella- we do good work).

Explain to me why nutella would hold off on killer timmer with this information.
How do you know she knew this?

How would I not know? She called me a liar when I claimed to have killed llama.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:47 amAlso you refused to vote for SVS on the basis of what you supposed her scum strategy would be.

But, to take a swing at the question, perhaps they figured timmer was a limited shooter, or felt safe that he would at least not be killing either of them soon. Or they just weren't paying that much attention (remember that Rico kill analysis you did earlier in the game?) and overlooked it because meh.

I didn't "refuse" to vote S~V~S.

I didn't vote her because I suspected Dyslexicon more. Additionally, I have never before encountered a relatively inactive S~V~S, and she didn't fall for Wilgy's ruse. I regarded that latter fact in her favor.

nutella knew timmer was the llama killer.

Her team didn't kill timmer until after it was obvious that timmer was the llama killer (way to go nutella- we do good work).

Explain to me why nutella would hold off on killer timmer with this information.

Damn, I didn't even see Little Donny there. sprityo.

timmer got recruited. Okay.

That means the independent is now alone.

Good.

" Dorothy Vallens - Singer for the Slow Club. Her husband and child were taken from her by Frank Booth. Jeffrey Beaumont is her bad boy. Every night, she searches for the three of them. If she finds them, they have the option of joining her and forming a third, independent team. This team can only win the game if it outnumbers the civilians, and all of Frank Booth's organization have been eliminated. Dorothy can win no other way. If Douglas Firs wins the D0 poll, your vote counts for double in the Night Event Polls."

"The three of them."

Which three? Her husband? Child? Booth? Beaumont?

Long Con didn't vote Douglas Fir.

Or Maples.

I don't understand that man.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:50 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:23 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:50 pm Does epi trust me now?
No.
Why not?

I don't credit anyone with lynching an inactive or semi-inactive.

I will read through your posts if I live and give you a fair shake though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:50 pm Does epi trust me now?

No.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:28 pm So is Epi the last baddie?

I usually am.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:21 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:12 pm if my sister was still alive i know she'd be on my side
It's a game with full role outing and open BTSC.

I'm not interested in hints.
im aunt barbara you nag

Never saw the film, so this means nothing to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:09 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:01 pm a 3 way tie in a two person lynch

Epignosis you madman
Madman? No.

I don't trust Sloonei or Long Con. I don't distrust S~V~S, although I do struggle to understand why she isn't being helpful. Given that Wilgy tried to fish a kill out of her, and he didn't get one, I'd say that makes S~V~S look pretty good.
Why do you not trust me?

You aren't really reading the thread, you're voting someone I don't think is bad, I expect more of you when there's only 30 pages and you've been here from the beginning, and I could go on.

Nothing you have done has engendered any trust with me about you.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:12 pm if my sister was still alive i know she'd be on my side

It's a game with full role outing and open BTSC.

I'm not interested in hints.

If you're asking between S~V~S and Sloonei, I would prefer you voted Sloonei.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:09 pm Hey epi wanna switch to long don? Or would you be more comfy with sloonei?

My Wi-Fi is down again and it's frustrating but I will be home tomorrow. I can't do ctap on phone, but I can vote. I can help the tie, but I'll defer to your judgement.

Whatdoyouthimk?

I'd say your vote is safest on Quin.

If your Internet is sketchy, I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you feel differently about Quin.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:01 pm a 3 way tie in a two person lynch

Epignosis you madman

Madman? No.

I don't trust Sloonei or Long Con. I don't distrust S~V~S, although I do struggle to understand why she isn't being helpful. Given that Wilgy tried to fish a kill out of her, and he didn't get one, I'd say that makes S~V~S look pretty good.

Voted Sloonei.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:39 pm Quin is most assuredly getting my vote. Instead of fighting or working toward a civilian win condition, he asked who he's taking down with him.

Hopefully your teammate.
Take a joke

No.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:06 pm Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.
Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.
Did I sub in to almost immediately bus Long Con?

I don't know. Did you?

Quin is most assuredly getting my vote. Instead of fighting or working toward a civilian win condition, he asked who he's taking down with him.

Hopefully your teammate.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:06 pm Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.

I am probably going to be voting for Quin. I haven't seen anything to make me think I was wrong about Dyslexicon, and thellama73's blatant defense is the kind of fast and loose thing he'd do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.
Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.
huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.
Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.
I would like to hear any thoughts you have on SVS. You don't have to acknowledge any of the things I've said about her, I just want your own independent thoughts on her.

Civilian. I already said why. Go read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.
Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.
huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.

Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:45 pm Epignosis is probably a civilian since he would have to be the dumbest bastard on earth to claim to have killed llama when he knew the person who actually did it.

Maybe all of the above?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.
It's Day 4. Your opinions should not be in Day 1 mode. If you had a problem keeping up (and I genuinely am sorry for your illness), you should have sought a replacement.

DyslexiQuin right now is my top suspect, and you gave him a pass because thellama73 voted to protect him because of "WIFOM City," as you put it. Isn't that what that is supposed to do? Why not look at Dyslexicon and Quin on your own and make a decision?
Do you really think this?

Now, would I lie?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.

Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW

I would like a little more effort from you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:40 pm Wilgy sent me a PM shortly before he was lynched, telling me about all the hijinks he'd been up behind the scenes. He told me to pay attention to how SVS reacted to his flip. This is all I could find at a quick glance:
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.
It does seem a bit passive and I don't see why this information had to be kept secret until after his death. I had moments of slight doubt about the sincerity of SVS's suspicion against Wilgy but I was distracted and neglected to mention it in the thread (sorry), but it's something I wish I would have followed up on. I'm bringing up here just to frame my vote for SVS.
Your assessment of this doesn't pass muster either.

If S~V~S is bad, then she would have either kept quiet about this or tried to kill Wilgy in accordance to his wishes.
How so? If SVS is bad and holds onto this message, then Wilgy can publicly call her out for withholding critical information. I said on Day 1 that I would expect any player, regardless of alignment, to have reacted the way SVS did.

But Wilgy didn't.

According to you, he sent your a private message.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.

It's Day 4. Your opinions should not be in Day 1 mode. If you had a problem keeping up (and I genuinely am sorry for your illness), you should have sought a replacement.

DyslexiQuin right now is my top suspect, and you gave him a pass because thellama73 voted to protect him because of "WIFOM City," as you put it. Isn't that what that is supposed to do? Why not look at Dyslexicon and Quin on your own and make a decision?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:40 pm Wilgy sent me a PM shortly before he was lynched, telling me about all the hijinks he'd been up behind the scenes. He told me to pay attention to how SVS reacted to his flip. This is all I could find at a quick glance:
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.
It does seem a bit passive and I don't see why this information had to be kept secret until after his death. I had moments of slight doubt about the sincerity of SVS's suspicion against Wilgy but I was distracted and neglected to mention it in the thread (sorry), but it's something I wish I would have followed up on. I'm bringing up here just to frame my vote for SVS.

Your assessment of this doesn't pass muster either.

If S~V~S is bad, then she would have either kept quiet about this or tried to kill Wilgy in accordance to his wishes.

Wilgy is a smart guy, and sometimes I don't even recognize what he does.

But it looks to me like Wilgy was trying to draw the Night Kill, which is what all vanilla civilians should be doing when there are power roles out there.

Right nutella?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:18 pm Did someone tell me I should do some interactive llama reads? Because I'm on it.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 pm And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.
Tradition is the backbone of civilization.
SVS is amused an llama's and rico's antics in tandem, but I faintly recall her being opposed to Rico's antics in isolation. Noted. llama responds to her with a friendly quip. Also noted.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:47 pm I voted to protect Dylexicon, because I like Dyslexiscon.
I think Dyslexicon is Quin now, right? This sort of vote/post is WIFOM city so I'll tread carefully. For now.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:55 pm I'm voting for Epignosis due to his obvious attempt to set me up and lead a wagon on people who have very limited internet access.
I can't wait to know what the hell he's talking about here. This looks like an early Day 3 vote. On the surface it looks like a strict OMGUS, but it could be a mutual bus job. WE WILL SEE!

There's not much here yet. Llama's in New Hampshire, which is cool. I like that place, I'll be there for a while next month. The little interaction with SVS is the most interesting thing I pulled out of this, I'll carry that momentum into an interactive read between her and llama next.

Consider me unimpressed with your assessment. S~V~S's interactions with thellama73 regarding Ricochet get the "Noted" and "Also noted" stamp, while thellama73's open declaration that he voted to protect Dyslexicon (someone I don't think he's had much experience with) gets a "I'll tread carefully. For now." from you? What does that mean? You'll tread carefully for now even though we are quickly approaching what in any ordinary circumstance should be endgame? Please. There isn't going to be a "later."

What new information do you hope to derive from a thellama73 / DyslexiQuin interaction that would alter your opinion of DyslexiQuin? Because llama is dead, so no new information is coming to you on that front.

And then you throw the hail Mary "but it could be a mutual bus job."

No sir. Not impressed.

I think you realize you are running out of options and are feebly trying to get people moving toward S~V~S.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:01 pm That's notnto say I won't read anything. I just want to know what's on people's minds right now and where I can find the relevant posts. If there's anything people want me to look at for one reason or other, please point me in the right direction and i'll have things to say later.

I don't recall you being the kind of person to not, you know, look for stuff when you needed stuff.

There's fewer than 30 pages in this game, and you've been here for all of them. I don't see why you wouldn't just buckle down and read. It takes less time than asking nutella a question and waiting on her to answer.

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