The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:53 pm You will also note that I didn't carry out the kill for my team a single time. There's a reason for that.

Afraid to get your hands dirty?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:15 pm It was circumstantial that Glorfindel roleblocked Epignosis when the nightkill failed. Had insertnamehere not roleclaimed, I'm very curious to have seen how that day would have panned out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:22 pm One thing I learned from this is I should vote my gut if all else fails even if I don't have a good reason. I didn't vote Elo because I didn't feel like I had a good justification. But justification be damned I should have just voted.

I refuse to learn anything from this game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:08 pm If LC was good....mafia, why do you toy with me instead of putting me out of my misery. I would have voted for him anyway.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:20 pm What does everyone think of Elo? Is she bad in your book (whoever the "you" is who answers this)?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:32 pm Jack, I don't suspect you outside of your interactions with Long Con, whom you want dead. I have to consider all angles. I am not arguing against a position no one has taken. I'm raising a concern I have.

How are you so sure of yourself?

Cause mathematically, Speed, Juliets and LC cannot all be town.

If Speed and Juliets are both town then LC is the correct choice because he has to be bad.

If one or both of Speed and Juliets are not town, LC could be town but they would not both back off him because that's trading an easy mislynch and win for freaking nothing.

Ergo, there is no universe where LC is good.

Why are you not drawing the same conclusion. Don't you know you are good? This math should hold from your perspective.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:14 pm I'd like to know what INH is thinking. Where are you INH, you're so quiet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:03 pm Epi like "Here are all the reasons why Jack and LC are bad together. Conclusion: Jack may or may not be bad and nobody gets credit for this lynch."



This is dumb. Cause if me, Epi, LC and INH are town, neither Speed nor Juliets is town and they're both giving up the easy win with a LC mislynch because....they suddenly don't want to win?

Gimmie a break.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:55 pm Okay, one thing I was just thinking about and I need to get into this thread immediately before I forget or whatever... When Jack made his plea that epignosis just denied, and I posted the Lord of the Rings YouTube clip, I thought that was a very real sounding plea from Jack. I believe it.

If Jack were bad, then he doesn't need to make that kind of post, he just needs to stay the course and Lynch long con. Baddie Jack doesn't need epignosis to just trust that he is Civ. I really don't think that scum Jack needs to make that post at that time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:19 pm
I could answer your concerns about me but I don't see a universe where I get lynch today and I'd rather not spend a lolo day defending myself instead of finding baddies. That said, I think you're town and I don't want your suspicions of me to cause you to vote for the wrong player.

Can you assume I'm town just for today?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 pm LC has responded to each of the four votes that were cast against them. To rabbit and myself, he responded by throwing suspicion back in our faces. But to Epi and nutella he said thisL

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:09 pm Thanks for the response, nutella, and to Epi for the look back at previous somewhat similar stuff. I don't suspect you for it any more. I just need to pay more attention.

And has not moved his vote off nutella.

LC, what's up? Have you paid more attention yet? why are you still voting for nutella? what's your read on rabbit?

Not too impressed with rabbit's play so far. Putting down phony pressure votes just to not look like a "no vote weirdo" is something I have done in the past, and I got called out for it, and I was bad. We might be seeing that here with rabbit8, and it's an easy play to fall back on when you're a little rusty.

I no longer consider myself as voting for nutella, I just haven't decided another place to put it yet. Short list, I have Jack and rabbit. Jackrabbit. I'll go rabbit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:19 pm Epi's gonna hate this post but idgaf.

Epi's last few posts are basically exactly what I expect cause Timmer and DF had a pretty small amount of posts. My main concern is that JJJ voice in the back of my head like "Jack is only drawing the most obvious teammate conclusions" but you know what? DF and Timmer are not Jimmy or Wilgy. I'm not gonna have the same WIFOM problems with them. I'll double down. I don't think Juliets and Eloh are teammates.

@Epignosis

I could answer your concerns about me but I don't see a universe where I get lynch today and I'd rather not spend a lolo day defending myself instead of finding baddies. That said, I think you're town and I don't want your suspicions of me to cause you to vote for the wrong player.

Can you assume I'm town just for today?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:32 pm Prognosis, just laughing along with all of this. Has he ever been lynched? He's got all your cojones in a vice.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:15 pm Oh hi there, 40 minutes later, just checking in again ducked into a corner at work so I don't get caught on my phone, wow isn't it interesting that no one has really tried to stop the Elsie bandwagon in any significant way?

I honestly don't understand why the batteries are holding back, throw a vote on me you freaking cowards, let's get this over with

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:09 am

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm I'm going to put my vote on DFaraday.

I agree with his briefest of points about rabbit, that he hasn't contributed much, but then again, neither has Wilgy (all jokes), neither has DF himself ( posts), or novaselinenever (barely here), neither have I, really. In a game full of quiet players, singling one out who doesn't have an established meta while others with established metas run rampant with jokes etc and you give them a pass just feels cheap and like something a mafia would do. Why tangle with a meta people know when you can vote the new guy?

Timmer is, intentionally or not, misrepresenting my admittedly terrible case.

My point was specifically that Rabbit seemed to have a high post count and low on-topic content. I went back and looked, at the time I voted Rabbit had made about 15 posts, Wilgy had made 12 (and literally half of those were posted altogether as a meme reference), and I had made one. And about half the players in this game (myself included) have quite a bit of experience playing with Rabbit in the past. I certainly remember him as always being jokey and strange, but also making insightful observations and taking strong stances. He does seem to have been engaging more later in the day, to be fair.

If anything, Timmer seems to be taking an easy option here and setting up a quiet player who makes weak votes as an easy target.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:40 pm Spent line twenty minutes trying to make a rainbow list on mobile with quotes and smilies and my daughter closed the damn tab.

Fuck it.

Kyle and Mac are bad.

LC and Nutella are meh.

INH, Sloonei, Epi are good.

And of course Glor is good.

Spoiler: show

False and false.

True and False.

True and and True.

And of course True.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:58 pm Agreed with Speedchuck about the low vote counts being easy prey for scummers.

I have a slight scumread on Long Con and I still think Mac is bad. Otherwise, I pretty well agree with that list.

Very slight town read on Rabbit.

Lol salad. U bad. Suxorz.

Tell me more.

I have one bar of h.

Huh?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:05 pm Why kill Mac? Even if he wasn't a suspect, he wasn't doing a lot to help the town. He even said himself he wasn't playing s very good game.

It's possible Frodo has some sort of misdirection power.

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:50 pm oh my gosh, DF only had 8 posts. Is that why you have him so low on your list Jack? Or anyone else that suspects him?

He's done little to make me think he's town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

If you look at the first page you can see how many of each faction are in the game (3 mafia) and that all the lynches to date have been civs. So unless the mafia killed one of their own at night - highly unlikely - there are three mafia still in the game. That leaves 6 civs if I did the math right.

That's interesting Jack but I have certainly seen the set-up in games that I have played, maybe on other sites but several of these players - Long Con, rabbit, Epi, INH - played on those sites with me. So I still think it's possible. Also why didn't you vote?

linki

Cause I was unloading groceries and fielding Fire Emblem questions.

I'll let you know who I would have voted for in a bit when I catch up. Absolutely wouldn't have been Dr Elf Eyes tho.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:18 pm Have people been voting at the last minute in this game?

It's a problem.

Due to my excellent pattern recognition abilities, I have discovered that days that end at 7 pm are really sucky for me. My son goes to bed around 7 and my daughter around 8. I do mt best work between those two hours while rocking the baby or waiting for the kiddo to finish washing her hands. Or while it's a slow work day. Or after 8 when I'm in bed and my wife is asleep or close to it (the kids are small and we are sleep deprived).

So basically 5-7 is my least productive mafia time and that's when I'm needed most in this game. I'll try to get a vote down and say what needs to be said before 5 from now on.

Also I think you are bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:55 pm Got to end of day. I'd have voted Long Con.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:18 pm Suspects

Timmer/Eloh: Nothing Timmer has done all game has sunk in. I don't like any of his votes except the DF one. I think Timmer really wanted DF dead when going after DF early on...but then didn't really try again. Possible antialign with DFJuliets. Possible buddy with LC as he basically dismisses accusations on LC with a "wait and see" attitude I expect from wolfmates.

DF is just kinda DF. Juliets comes in and is super nice and gracious and then follows Epi on a bad lynch, preventing LC from being lynched. Comes across as buddying. Here's the thing, though. She does the same to LC. Also there's the potential anti alignment with Timmer/Eloh.

LC: Just tone pinging me all game. I think his Speedchuck vote explanation is junk.

Need to reread LC and DF fully.

Kinda leaning towards a Timmer/Eloh + LC scumteam but I need to find the other baddie cause it's probably not Juliets.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

I concur. How does one 'POE' in a game with no scumflips, all-vanilla roles, etc?

Having Eloh as a scumread just because you have stronger townreads on everyone else is not POE, because nobody is truly eliminated. It's more just bad scumhunting that lynches people like Wilgy.

I didn't vote for Wilgy, eh? I argued against that. But even so, the WIlgy lynch wasn't a terrible one because Wilgy didn't work to keep it from happening. (This is frustrating to me. I've lost at least two games due to Wilgy mislynch. Yet I've also seen him nail half the baddies on Day 1 without using words. I don't need Wilgy to hit home runs every game but I'd appreciate him at least swinging every at bat.)

Anyway, this sounds like a wording problem to me. POE is constant. I am always trying to take a suspect pool and narrow it down to decide the best lynch choice. If I "eliminate" you from my suspect pool because I think you are good and I "eliminate" Mac from my suspect pool cause he's dead and I know there are 3 baddies left out of x players and I reduce that to y players to make us more likely to lynch baddies...how is this objectionable?

Yeah, it's easier with cops or scum flips but this is the same thing we do anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

Spoiler: show

Jay again.

From this, we can conclude that Jack's group of candidates consists of Eloh, "juliets/timmer" (holy shit guys, keep up), LC, and rabbit.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:42 pm speedchuck

So do you think I'm not hunting?

Eloh's free to try to take herself off the suspect list. I'm not going to lynch a high poster who I think is town over a low poster I have no read on in the name of fairness.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I just usually use 'POE' to refer to certainties. And I have nothing certain in this game. None of the lynches or nightkills have really provided any insight.

I guess we have Glorf though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:49 am Voting LC for now. He's been worrying me most of the game but not as much when I ISOed him.

Ultimately, he still has several points against him.

1) I don't feel his Epi case
2) I disagree with his Nutella case, which was proven wrong.
3) I could see him as w/w with Timmer
4) I could see him w/w with DF

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm woops, jack, not jay. My bad. Long day so far.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:15 pm I hate doing ISOs, they wear me out. So I am doing the best I can.

Juliets -
-Just replaced in as well, I've notices and already has 23 posts within a little over 4 hours. That's pretty nuts!
-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.
-At one point, she questions long cons motives for voting chuck.
-Engages Glorf on a vote matter.
-doesn't say much about timmer except that he is a quiet baddie from her memory, but that he was hurt somehow and had to replace out. I believe that was who I replaced
-votes wilgy because there is n better option in her opinion but she contemplates moving her vote and acts worried
-helpful to me as I replace in

overall, I think juliets seems civ.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:57 pm LC
-his sus of nutella seems to be reaching
-he demeanor this game is playful
-he doesn't seem too invested in the game, just doing enough to get by
-I don't like how he handles the suspicion that he and nutella are teammates. I know she turned out civ, but still.

Alright....I can see an LC vote in my future after reading through his posts. He just doesn't look civ to me

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 am I'm unconvinced by LC's Epi case and am considering voting LC today.

I'd be down with this after my ISO of him yesterday.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:07 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:46 am I'm unconvinced by LC's Epi case and am considering voting LC today.

I'd be down with this after my ISO of him yesterday.

Tell me about that.

I posted on it yesterday. I swear people see the name Elohcin and just skip over my posts.

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:29 am Rabbit vote analysis:

Rabbit makes a point of having voted for LC but not necessarily intending to stay on him and indeed points out when he is no longer doing so. He never really explains why he voted LC. (Sloonei may have called him on this, prompting the later comment.) Is this AI for Rabbit if LC's alignment is known? Or vice versa? Not sure.

Rabbit ends up voting DF, a fairly big train, without saying why. This assists with the no lynch tie.

Rabbit does not vote Day 2.

Day 3, Rabbit votes Mac over Nutella. He talked about the later a bit but not the former. Ultimately, with 4 competing townie vote trains, in not sure this matters much but the discrepancy between words and actions is notable.

Day 4, Rabbit misses the vote.



I'd be good with a Rabbit lynch.

This is a very good analysis. I was ready to vote LC after reading him, but rabbit seems to be a good vote also. I am up for either of the two. The following quote only makes me think LC and rabbit are teammates. I mean, first of all, that rabbit voted lc but changed it to a bandwagon and never went through with the lc vote...that seems like slight distancing. But then LC says this...

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am I also called Rabbit out for his pressure-less vote on me.

"C'mon guyths...give me sthome cthiv cred."

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:03 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am I also called Rabbit out for his pressure-less vote on me.

"C'mon guyths...give me sthome cthiv cred."

You almost attained credibility, but then you tried to make me look like some insipid, lisping freak, and I realized that you and rabbit are probably teammates. Civs don't need to dress up the facts with that kind of extra pizazz in order to cxonvince people of it.

There's been plenty of talk about lynching me, and that rabbit discussion went by without anyone noting my contribution. I am Civ, and it was real, so I brought it up. Nice of you to jump on it so aggressively though.

[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:11 pm I wasn't being aggressive, I was trying to be funny. I guess you didn't laugh.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:11 pm I think most of the time, I only amuse myself.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:39 pm Elohcin

Replaced timmer Day 4.

- says hello
- says she'll be lazy and asks for someone to catch her up
- complains about POE suspicion inherited from timmer
- agrees with speedchuck's assessment that Jack's POE is baseless
- asks again for some catchup help

The next one is interesting enogh to warrant a real quote:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

I'll try to do all of these asap. I'll go in order of what you listed. are we in 23 hour nights?

"I'll go in order of what you listed." Why was that something she needed to say? Well, if she and rabbit are teammates, then that puts the teammate-analysis furthest away... gives her a chance to put eyes on someone earlier in the list. Maybe she won't get around to her teammate at all...? Just a weird thing to say, why would Eloh need for us to know she's doing them in his order? Easy way out of "hey you didn't really look at rabbit and he turned out bad, maybe you're his teammate?" "No, it wasn't even my order, I was just following Jack's instructions!" Y'know? Guess we shoud wait for rabbit's flip before we return to this slightly incriminating bit.

-- ISO on juliets, looks pretty standard, but there's one part that caught my attention:

"-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely. "

So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?

Blaaaaah, rabbit8 was Civ.... I'll post this anyway, although it contains some rabbit-assumption-bad stuff.

Long story short, the rest of it is "blah blah LC is bad"

You're just mad because I made fun of you.

To answer your questions though, I came into this game as a civ, but as a civ replacing someone who apparently did not have the trust of the people. I have to earn that trust, not from a zero starting point, but from a negative spot (if that makes sense). I'm not big into ISOs, but I wanted to try to get to some in if I could find the time because Jack asked me to do so and just after reading some of jack, I felt he could be trusted. I did them in the order that they were requested, and said I would, because I felt that they were probably listed in an order of importance of the requester. Obviously, Juliets was first on Jack's mind as he listed her first and so on. I knew I would probably not get to all of them. I'm sorry, but I run this household, take care of my children 24 damn 7 (don't get me wrong, they are my life right now but can you imagine being with all your children 24/7? I do it because it is what's right for our family), and run a 20 hour a week business. But I do my best to help out (i.e. subbing in) and I enjoy playing this game because it helps me escape RL just a bit.

What I don't understand from your post is this part, "So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?" I didn't say anything about a set-up. You are going to have to explain what all you mean. I said maybe mac was killed because of a redirect. meaning, maybe the mafia didn't mean to kill him. I said this because Jules said that there wasn't a lot of sus on him. I don't see what this has to do with any kind of set-up that I would need to look further into or how I could be suspected for not looking into it. Maybe I am just ignorant and not seeing something. But I don't think that is the thing here.

Spoiler: show

I'm just gonna let y'all bitches work this one out.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:53 pm Well that sucks. We are having terrible luck.

To Long Con: I never said anything about a re-direct. I never said I thought jack and speed were bad. I didn't gently point at Jack and speed. What do you mean question my motives? I'm confused by this whole section of your post about me.

If you didn't do that, then have ytou questioned Eloh about saying "She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. "

This is from Elohcin's evaluation of your ISO, juliets. Why do you question it and deny everything when I say it, and ignore it when Eloh says it?

you are misreading my post. I said maybe a re-direct based on jules saying mac didn;t have much sus on him. that is all.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:54 am
Now that you've read the roles, and you are sure there are no redirects, do you think Mac was killed by his suspects, or do you think it was a set-up?

I don't think he was killed by his suspects. He suspected sloon/chuck and jack according to jules and I don't have any pings from either of those players. Jack, for sure seems civ to me. Chuck, well, doesn't seem bad. I do like what he said about POE in a game where no baddies have been lynched yet though. But atm, that's all I actually remember him saying so far this game. I don't seem to notice him all too much. That could be good or that could be bad.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:51 am Jack, have we been in a game before? I'm rusty as hell, I feel like... no?

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:54 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:51 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:49 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:48 am (This is a thing that I'm doing.)

what're you ing about?

Trying out the "thing"

Do you have an opinion of Jack thinging?

I don't know Jack. *distant rimshot*

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:27 pm Did a read through. Not much stands out mostly becauseIve lost touch with peoples usual m.o. Not a fan of Long Cons posts but the attention he's getting feels a bit easy. Holding my vote for now.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21 am

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:55 pm Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

My self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.

But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?

Yeah, I wonder if he's feeling a bit like I am? (Am i right that this is rabbit's first foray back in a long time?) I remember rabbit being someone who could post a lot or a little but no specific feature that would help you with his current output.

As for the rest, not really. I'm mostly just observing for now. I've always been pretty useless on Day 1, but once I get my hands on lynch polls I can correlate data wit the best of them.

I'd say the votes on LC seemed a bit easy, but then so did LC's own vote, it's typical Day 1 stuff. I'll mostly be watching for people making too much of a mountain out of a day 1 molehill, that's generally what constitutes my early pings.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm I'm going to put my vote on DFaraday.

I agree with his briefest of points about rabbit, that he hasn't contributed much, but then again, neither has Wilgy (all jokes), neither has DF himself ( posts), or novaselinenever (barely here), neither have I, really. In a game full of quiet players, singling one out who doesn't have an established meta while others with established metas run rampant with jokes etc and you give them a pass just feels cheap and like something a mafia would do. Why tangle with a meta people know when you can vote the new guy?

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:59 pm I voted for faraway because there are ample players being quiet and or hiding behind jokey meta and he arbitrarily voted for the one quiet player whose meta is unknown and can't be discussed. It felt too easy and calculated. It's not much but it's what pinged me.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:02 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:34 pm Voting Timmer for now. He hasn't addressed my points against him from earlier.

What points were those? Where you didn't like that I voted for you?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:06 pm Okay, so I've got a bit of time, so let's cover some questions...

First, DF... you are making my head do this:



So, here is your post:

Timmer is, intentionally or not, misrepresenting my admittedly terrible case.

My point was specifically that Rabbit seemed to have a high post count and low on-topic content. I went back and looked, at the time I voted Rabbit had made about 15 posts, Wilgy had made 12 (and literally half of those were posted altogether as a meme reference), and I had made one. And about half the players in this game (myself included) have quite a bit of experience playing with Rabbit in the past. I certainly remember him as always being jokey and strange, but also making insightful observations and taking strong stances. He does seem to have been engaging more later in the day, to be fair.

If anything, Timmer seems to be taking an easy option here and setting up a quiet player who makes weak votes as an easy target.

Can we break this down? The goal of a mafia player is to find the thing that feels the most "off" or is the most "pingy" and then go after it with a vote and a case. I found DF's Rabbit vote weak and pingy, so I explained it as such and voted DF. DF, in his rebuttal, actually BEGINS by agreeing with me that what he was, in his own words, terrible. I mean, it's right there. He then tries to suggest that there is a difference between a rabbit with "about 15" posts that were low on on-topic content, and a Wilgy with 12. I'll note here that there is an interesting difference in his descriptions of the two. Wilgy "had made 12" Rabbit had made "about 15". Why is one a definite number, but the one that is most pertinent is a rough estimate? Are we trying to help things a touch to make a point seem stronger? Or is this nothing? But the greater point here is, what the heck is the difference between 12 jokey posts, and "roughly 15"? How is 15 a reasonable pick for a vote, but 12 not?

Why do I harp on this? Because DF's point here is that my case against him (that he seemed to arbitrarily pick one jokey player to vote for, and why that one and not the others, etc.) is, in his words, me "taking an easy option and setting up a quiet player as an easy target". Those are big, negative terms. Setting up a player is not innuendo, that's a description of a baddie. So DF is trying to say that I'm bad for voting him. Not just that my vote was wrong. But that he was potentially malicious, and his reason? Wilgy had 12 posts. Rabbit "about 15" so clearly, not only was my case wrong, but it was setting DF up.
"
Y'all can shout out with your opinions on this, but I'm really not a fan of what seems to have boiled down to "NO U", imo. That DF tried to attach evil intent to my case feels very different from just suggesting that my case was wrong.

HOWEVER! Part 2 coming.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:13 pm But... then the lynch happened.

Now, I'm not going to go into too much detail about this for, but we've got the results of the lynch to look at, we've got the role list and some ideas that I have about some things, and then we've got the immediate posts after the lynch result. I am trying to judge DF within the context of these things, and despite the word choices he made that I just covered above etc. I weigh all of this together and I'm not sure that a lynch of DF at this time is a good idea. I could be over analyzing things, and I won't discuss this stuff too much because I think it wouldn't help the cause,

But I'm left with the notion that DF NO U'd me as a response to my vote against him, but not that he's necessarily bad. He definitely could be, but in terms of his reaction to me, I note also that he hasn't really mentioned the other people who voted for him at all, only me, which again, feels like a NO U.

So overall, I'm back to neutral on DF at this time, but I'm not a "fan" of how he handled my case against him.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:24 am Okay, so I'm feeling civvie vibes from INH, but I'm not sure his case on Kyle is as slam dunk as he seems to think. I'm reading those posts of Kyle's and I feel like I've played with that exact "someone help me" tone many times as a civ... I feel like Long Con has gone stone cold in this game, and that doesn't feel civvie of him. Mac still baffles me. I'm not sure that this woe is me too many games maybe just kill me schtick fits him, but that doesn't necessarily indicate alignment. I really don't think that Wilgy's one contribution to the game was a flippant "oh Ambray wasn't bad". At one point do we demand content from him? I forget.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:28 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:49 pm I moved my vote to INH.

What is this? 30 min before the night post? Bleh.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:06 pm I have a bad habit when playing mafia - I usually disengage and go into a bit of self-loathing funk whenever I accidentally mislynch a civilian. I start doubting myself. The reason I haven't had any grand opinions or reads after Kyle's death is that I genuinely don't feel too strongly about anyone else's alignment. I thought I had my grip on this game, then it slipped away from me, and I can't get it back. The run of shit luck that the civilians have had in not lynching any baddies certainly hasn't helped.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:48 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm

At the Sign of the Prancing Pony

The Black Riders arrived at the Prancing Pony, looking for the Hobbits. They ransacked the room that was rented to them, but found no sign of them.


No one has been nightkilled.


Day 5 has begun. You have 48 hours to lynch somebody.

Alrighty. Shit's getting dire.

Time to come clean.

I'm Mister Frodo. Before Night 4, I possessed The Ring. It made me invulnerable to NK's and lynches. Unfortunately, Sauron found me last night and took it. Luckily, the ring protected me from the kill his team directed at me.

Unfotunately, that means he can most likely do some quite nasty shit with it. There are nine players left. We have yet to kill a baddie, which is fairly shameful. Everybody's feeling a malaise. We need to wake the fuck up.

If we fail to lynch a baddie today, Day 6 is LYLO.

Let's get fucking going, why don't we?

INH posted this, and made three posts after that. In two of them, he issued a suspicion of Glorfindel. In the other he reiterated his claim and said he was going to be killed.

I don't get how quickly the enthusiasm dissipated.

His claim also suggests that the mafia was searching and killing the same targets each Night. My assumption was that the Ring protected its user from death since the Ring turns people invisible. If I were mafia, I would not be killing and searching the same person on the same Nights.

On the other hand, INH claimed Frodo, and if he was not Frodo, then the real Frodo would be crying for his head, and that isn't happening.

The only thing I can fathom is if INH is evil, he or his teammate searched rabbit, and figuring rabbit wasn't going to be around, claimed Frodo. He never said anything about rabbit, and I doubt he expected rabbit to get lynched today.

The truth is that I did not have as much time to really sink my teeth into this phase as I thought I would have, therefore my unsatisfactory participation. By the time I showed up, everyone had already piled onto Rabbit.

I'm directing my useless vote towards LC. I agree with the arguments made against him, and think that his posts over the course of this phase defending himself and attacking Rabbit/Epi sounded a tad desperate. He's definitely someone I intend to look into if I'm still around D6.

Then again, I have no idea what to make of this tinfoil-y BS Epi posted that's about to be disproven.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm

At the Sign of the Prancing Pony

The Black Riders arrived at the Prancing Pony, looking for the Hobbits. They ransacked the room that was rented to them, but found no sign of them.


No one has been nightkilled.


Day 5 has begun. You have 48 hours to lynch somebody.

Alrighty. Shit's getting dire.

Time to come clean.

I'm Mister Frodo. Before Night 4, I possessed The Ring. It made me invulnerable to NK's and lynches. Unfortunately, Sauron found me last night and took it. Luckily, the ring protected me from the kill his team directed at me.

Unfotunately, that means he can most likely do some quite nasty shit with it. There are nine players left. We have yet to kill a baddie, which is fairly shameful. Everybody's feeling a malaise. We need to wake the fuck up.

If we fail to lynch a baddie today, Day 6 is LYLO.

Let's get fucking going, why don't we?

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:57 am Hi all, just thought I would pop in to say that I am apparently NOT concussed, but I'm still taking it easy for awhile. See you all in awhile!

Good to hear buddy. NBA All-Star Break is coming up, so you know I'll be hitting you up for some NHL hot takes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:59 pm I don't want you to be pissed, Epignosis. We will see about my vote in the next 24 hours.

Rabbit is also quiet in Fire Emblem Mafia.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:09 pm Other people need to come in and vote.

You haven't voted, and we have 24 hours

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 pm Good to know.

I have no reason to view LC or DF as a civilian regardless.

Epi didn't you play Mountain mafia where Marmot had the same rule?

Also, what makes you think I am bad?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:51 pm I searched Marmot's posts and saw nothing about how ties are handled here.

Can't we just ask the guy?

I just did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:04 pm

Fog on the Barrow-Downs

In the Barrow-Downs reside the Wights. They enjoy tying things up.

So do you apparently.


No one has been lynched.


Night 1 has begun. You have until 20:00 EST to submit your night actions.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:59 pm
Frodo - Frodo is the Bearer of The Ring. (Secrets)
Gandalf - Gandalf may once (each) in the game, roleblock another player, protect another player, and nightkill another player. He may only perform one of these actions each night.
Sauron - Sauron may search each night for The Ring, roleblocking his target in the process. (Secrets)

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:36 am Yeah, Glorf's immediate reaction being to throw in the towel with an unexplained vote is the first thing he's done that has pinged me.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm Glorfindel can you provide some context for your vote? Is it because of LC's case or is there something more that you noticed?

If Sauron has the One Ring, it’s game over so it hardly matters now does it?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm No one was interested in my Epi case. I'd still lynch him.