The Syndicate

Anyway, once again I'm sorry to the civilians for blowing this. I should never have signed up.

Fucked up dinner on top of it all.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:59 pm It's just that I KNOW you do shit like that, and I still didn't bother.
Is that shit alignment indicative though?

I hope that it's at least clear I do similar sorts of things as a townie, which is presumably why you don't bother.

When you are a civilian, you don't have known teammates. This was a red flag to me, and I stupidly dismissed it.

It's just that I KNOW you do shit like that, and I still didn't bother.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:50 pm I basically given up Day 1. Especially after Vulgard subbed out and then esooa disappeared withouts saying anything.

But then Day 4 rolled around and I was still alive.

GG y'all. Thanks for not looking back to closely at how I handled esooa Epi.

I looked. You had Esooa paired with Mac, who isn't playing. I spotted that. I get in my own way anymore.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:04 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:23 pm Fuck being cagey with reads, dunya/nook dunya/marmot epi/esooa one of those is the team gg

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:06 pm hi

im ~fine with an esooa chop i guess

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:16 pm [VOTE: esooa] aubergine

ugh dont feel great about this eod and I also really have to get some work done

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:04 pm the consensus on esooa does wig me out a little

Here's nutella's handling of the esooa chop on Day 1. This is definitely teammate compatible.

nutella, why was I townreading you again?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:46 pm
I'm fine with an esooa chop.

Gotta love how Marmot calls people out for the same shit he does. I saw this and said nothing. I am ashamed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:43 pm For those just joining us, this is the part of the program where the spectator chat is pulling its collective hair out because I didn't just lynch Marmot.

For those just joining us, this is the part of the program where the spectator chat is pulling its collective hair out because I didn't just lynch Marmot.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:06 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm I think nutella knows damn well dunya isn't going to get lynched Day 1, and that hesitation looks phony. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine
my first thought when i saw this was ohhh i buy it. yep. i see why he did that.

but now at reread it's not like that.

if me and nutella are teammates, the hesitation isn't just phony, she's prevoted for who to eliminate this day phase and im pretty sure it isn't me. (even if nutella is actually wolf here, she's not voting me to be the d1 lynch for sure). why would she phony it in with me?

like, i think epignosis should conclude more from that nutella being w than dunya and nutella being w/w. it's very a strange progression. the words make sense, but just not entirely in this game setup.

i dunno if this is some magical distancing strategy from nutella and epi, but wolf epi would have a better reading of the game setup i think so im leaning town there now.

and im not bothered about town epi, cos he is an asset to town and will be able to see town dunya eventually. lean

i did mind gymnastics to get here. that's a weak ass read, im disappoint.
commenting on the nutella/dunya thing, I don't really think apprehension to vote there is as much of a partner interaction as epi makes it out to be. I also just forget to vote sometimes, I don't do it super often but maybe that's just me. But I think the way nutella voted and responded after being called out by epi was awkward and kinda has me giving them a scum lean.

I don't really know dunyas playstyle but she's put a decent amount of effort into working out this interaction, tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh) but it's enough for me to town lean her for now lol. And besides that tutuu is obviously town she can never be mafia (as well as contributing a lot so far)

[VOTE: nutella ] aubergine

Why would Esooa begin with a caveat about a lack of familiarity with dunya only to follow it up with "decent amount of effort" only to follow that up with "tbh I didn't like much of what she had to say (it wasn't bad but meh" only to follow that up with "but it's enough for me to town lean her for now."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:31 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:01 am GTH reads here we go

Epignosis / t
Esooa / t
Marmot / w
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME / t
nutella / t
PSINightmareEmpower / w
tutuu / t

interesting.
Progression between that and this:

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:37 am i dont think nutella is mafia here.

i don't feel good about esooa tbh, she be slanking big time. sometimes it really is >that easy<. at least psinightmare offered some thoughts and i'm indecisive how i feel about the tone. i don't feel great about it, especially the I'm a Big Girl Stop Defending Me, but one thing i didn't buy (i'll quote later and explain).
What is it?

Pardon me for making at least a little more than a chickenshit effort at this, but this was a serious question. I don't understand the what changed between the first post quoted here and the second.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:10 am .............................................................

just no

do not go down this rabbit hole with me, my back is in pain and i dont have time

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I'm sorry your back hurts. I hope the pain subsides quickly.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:11 am i'm gonna be pissed at myself if it is epi, ftr

Oh stop.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:14 am you know what? fuck it

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

tutuu was onto something

marmot has honestly made more effort than epi :P

i think i would be more pissed losing this to epi than marmot so..

I am done worrying about whom I'd rather lose to. That's a dishonest way of doing this, often counterproductive, and I refuse to follow that fatalistic method of thinking.

All of these posts read to me more like someone who knew she would likely be caught sooner or later and now must face the music. My effort at trying to figure you out gets called a rabbit hole?

That's quite a take, given that all the other holes we've heretofore ventured down have been lined with shit.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:24 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:02 pm All I'm doing is the thing where I fuck it up for everyone else in the end. It's 2020 in a nutshell for me. Why I quit.

One reason why I quit.
If you're town, it's not your fault. It's a team game.

If you're scum, this line will be duly noted.

Read this.

Is Marmot mafia?

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:01 am GTH reads here we go

Epignosis / t
Esooa / t
Marmot / w
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME / t
nutella / t
PSINightmareEmpower / w
tutuu / t

interesting.

Progression between that and this:

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:37 am i dont think nutella is mafia here.

i don't feel good about esooa tbh, she be slanking big time. sometimes it really is >that easy<. at least psinightmare offered some thoughts and i'm indecisive how i feel about the tone. i don't feel great about it, especially the I'm a Big Girl Stop Defending Me, but one thing i didn't buy (i'll quote later and explain).

What is it?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:05 pm Nutella/dunia/psi town, Epi probably town but idk

Obviously if there’s a NK reassess, if not this is my legacy

Nah, I went back and looked at this. If I went against this, and I screw Nanook out of a win, that shit's on me. Marmot has to die.

I say Marmot and I team up and vote either dunya or nutella.

Well, that's a silly thing to say. A different universe applies equally to you.

That universe applies equally to you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:18 pm if it's dunya....

I think there's a universe in which dunya threw a frustrated teammate under the bus.

I don't like that universe. It's an icky universe. But it's a universe.

Earlier today, I got trolled by the Game 1 link, seeing "[EN..."

This has nothing to do with anything, but I would like our host to know that for karaoke tonight, I sang "The Girl from Ipanema" in Portuguese tonight.

No, no.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:08 am[VOTE: epi] aubergine

Scratch my back...

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:23 pm epi could be mafia tbh

i dont buy the thing he's doing where he's presenting himself as a wounded little puppy

doesnt sound like epi to me?

psi was a good yeet, we lost nothing, we still have a minimum of 2 yeets

Wounded little puppy?

I'm the old stinking sheep dog that Candy can't bring himself to put down.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine to have a vote on the board somewhere while I reflect on my general ineffectiveness as a civilian in 2020.

If I'm alive tomorrow, nobody gets a pass.

All I'm doing is the thing where I fuck it up for everyone else in the end. It's 2020 in a nutshell for me. Why I quit.

One reason why I quit.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:48 pm psi is probably my lockest town lmao

poe is tutuu/epi/marmot

dunya still possible but meh

Squinting hard at this.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:54 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:27 pm Fish Tacos with Spanish Rice tonight oh yes baby
what's a fish taco? like instead of meat in the taco you put fish pieces? do the kids like fish?

Precisely what it sounds like, yes. I had two extra fillets, one tilapia, one cod. So we made fish tacos. Typically there's a cabbage or slaw that goes on it, but we topped ours with cilantro and tomatoes. I of course added jalapenos.

The kids will eat fish sticks and shell fish, not much else. They had quesadillas.

Fish Tacos with Spanish Rice tonight oh yes baby

So comfortable are we that we are engaging in off-topic conversations, eh?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:38 pm I'm making risotto, and I'm soooo excited!

Do tell. What rice? What additives? I will judge you like Gordon Ramsay.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:30 pmIndubitably.

I assumed you were joking, but I'm enamored with the glowing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:17 pm Does PSI literally have four votes for intensely speaking with many amounts of carelessly placed adverbs?

Is that all you got from my post?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:56 pm For once I agree with Epi's ultra-pedantic arguments

That is a great relief to my mind.

[VOTE: Ψ] aubergine

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:16 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.
Sure you can.
No you don't understand I literally can't

With one piece of evidence there are too many other possible explanations, but with multiple posts to affirm it things suddenly it becomes a lot harder to find loopholes. I always need more than one post, my brain does not comprehend clearing someone off of a single piece of evidence.

But I understand nobody else is planning on going for an Epi chop today or any time soon so I'm honestly okay with just giving up on it for now, insisting "Epi is mafia" isn't going to convince anyone.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:37 pm
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.
Why does this matter to you? This ends when the final mafia member is dead.
Just to point out because I think chopping Tutuu is especially bad if this is the case.

Epi, may I ask you a silly question? What is your current read on me? You voted me on Day 1, but I don't think you've said anything about me aside from teasing since then.

Not a silly question at all.

As for the answer, I haven't given much attention to you, which is of course my own failing. I shall remedy that.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:57 pm All right guys, sorry I disappeared for a day, got busy with IRL stuff; but I'm back now so that's good.

I'm actually starting to townread Marmot right now, honestly? I think I have to do an ISO to figure out exactly why but I'm really feeling him town rn.

I still think Epi is the correct chop here, but I guess Tutuu is a good info chop if that's how things end up.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Tutuu still feels townie to me, but she's slipping down. I honestly don't know what to think about her at this point.

What could be causing this strange red glow?

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:56 pm Mmm, gonna switch to Marmot since it looks like nobody wants to chop Epi.

I do think we should really be chopping between Epi and Marmot today, we need to get these two solved before we move onto the possibility that neither is mafia. I am aware that if we choose wrong we'll likely have to deal with a NK, but I'm prepared for that possibility and I think that's fine.

I'm heading out for now, y'all better not chop somebody stupid while I'm gone. So GET YOUR DAMN VOTES OFF NANOOK AND TUTUU

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.

Did you ever read through Marmot's posts to figure out why you felt so good about him for about eighteen hours? If you talked about it, I missed it.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:05 pm why is epi mafia? if you believe it's epi so strongly, what's the case?

cos we have multiple evidence that epi is not maifa..
Esooa's development on Epi was very unusual. She wanted to place a townread on him, but she didn't want to be very strong about it. Every post about him was "I want to believe X, but there's also Y..." which is a progression I've done on my teammates myself multiple times, so I think that looks a lot like a partner interaction. Besides, he's done absolutely nothing to warrent a townread outside of the TMI thing, while everybody else has given me at least one reason.

"Absolutely nothing" is extreme, isn't it?

Anyway, I pointed out something that anybody else could have pointed to, as there is a big difference between "if" and "when." There are only two possibilities here and no middle ground. If I am a civilian, then Esooa goofed and that's that. If I am Esooa's teammate, then Esooa worded that post to be misleading. What you have to decide is which scenario is true (or at least more likely). Unfortunately for me, you have started with the conclusion that I am mafia, but you have not articulated the ramifications of what Esooa's post about me means. It's a classic case of begging the question.

Instead of demonstrating why Esooa's post about me indicates that I am the teammate, you've simply waved your hand and said that this evidence is not strong enough in my favor.

But that's not good enough either, because either this was in fact a slip, or this was a stroke of deceit. You claim "[w]ith one piece of evidence there are too many other possible explanations," so then I ask you what are these many other possible explanations?

Your standard here (the underlined) is concerning. As mentioned, you said "with one piece of evidence there are too many other possible explanations," but the emphasized part of your post implies that at least one reason is sufficient for you to think at least some individuals are good. Why has a different standard been applied to me?

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.

Why does this matter to you? This ends when the final mafia member is dead.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:04 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Really thinking he or Epi (yes I'm still on Epi even with the TMI thing, I can't clear someone just based off of one thing sorry) is the choice for today. Also I theorize that Tutuu might be the 8-ball.

Sure you can.

The odds are still in the favor of the civilians.

Let's not despair.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:08 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:59 pm That was not the time to wave off a perfectly good poe and I am supremely disappointed in everyone who voted there who is town.
considering im town from my pov u arent exactly doing much better than the rest of us
You are in the poe. Nanook fucking wasn't, he was obvtown and I wish the others had seen that, maybe I'm responsible for not making that clear but come on

We had a fairly consensus poe of you/marmot/epi I really don't get how the votes on nanook started

There was no such consensus. I certainly didn't agree. I was here last night and was silent all day today.

You have ample opportunity to express a disagreement with what I posed and you remained silent

Be pissed, but remain so at yourself.

Game 1 RIP

dunya and tutuu are not teammates.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:56 pm You have my reads, good luck

I was just looking through your posts, and couldn't find a single suspect you named.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:54 pm My time is valuable.

Probably the funniest thing I've ever written.

Since I'm sober I'll read over whatever I wrote last night and see if it still makes sense in my brain.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:04 am Yeah I can compromise to esooa I think

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:13 pm Ehhhhh

I could be convinced but I kinda would just rather kill esooa tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:24 pm Eh I don’t wanna make dunya mad back to esooa it is

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm Eh if I were mafia I’d probably want to mark mafia, and in most teams esooa would be the logical choice

All of these posts came after Esooa quit The Syndicate. There's no reason given as to why Esooa should die.

Nanook looks like he threw Esooa under the bus.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:23 pm Fuck being cagey with reads, dunya/nook dunya/marmot epi/esooa one of those is the team gg
Like you, I can also spew random pairings of players.

PSI/nutella, Epi/dunya, Mac/esooa

^^Them's the possibilities there folks

It's easy to poo poo this, but notice that Mac isn't in this, and Esooa is.

That's a funny coincidence if Marmot it good.

It's funny business if Marmot is bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:50 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
Me, I am le LHF

Obviously not. But no comment on dunya or Esooa.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:51 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:56 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:49 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:44 am So I also feel most comfortable voting nutella cause she's not exactly LHF like the others I'd usually be ok with voting for
i don't understand this part. you're ok with voting for low-hanging fruit? who is LHF in this game in your opinion?
I'm generally pretty ok with voting LHF cause I.E. killing a player like epi who seems pretty good will be a lot worse when he flips town compared to someone like Marmot (not offense to him just picking up from the thread he's pretty LHF xd). And I don't have very good reads yet which is mb, but because of that I generally would default to voting someone who's more scummy on average

and on the PSI thing, I guess I can see what you mean by she would make it up as a weird response to pressure as maf. I guess I thought it made sense cause linki is annoying but it wouldn't really change my posts lol

I didn't mean it!!!

No comment on dunya or Esooa.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 pm I'm fine with an esooa chop.

If...

She's not the kinda person mafia would target N0.

This came during that time in which Esooa quit The Syndicate. Marmot went out of his way to make sure we remembered there's a mechanic in play.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:46 pm I don't want to chop myself, that's just where my vote is.

Nanook's logic wert to the nk is flawed. Or at least incomplete. Actually, I'm now realizing what he's saying. Regardless of the flip today, if mafia gets a nightkill, we can learn a lot from the discussion leading up to the vote.

I'm fine with an esooa chop. I don't want to chop myself, but I'm also ok with it. I do think I'm probably the "easiest" misyeet in this game, and something could be learned from it.

That said, I don't have any strong reads currently except for PSI town, so I'm going to stick to the strategy of random voting.

Marmot is "fine" with it again. Reminding us that he's "fine with an esooa chop." Two posts in a row using the exact same language.

"So I'm' going to stick to the strategy of random voting."

Okay then.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Thirty-five posts from dunya.

I don't suspect dunya but her name starts with a D and I plan on being comprehensive so kiss my ass.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:07 am
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:12 am
I feel like I should have a better read on Dunya but every time I pick a read my mind goes wait no and I'm back to square one. So idk there

I want to go hmmm at Nanook and Esooa for what seems like purposely avoiding game-related discussion but I can't really blame them when there isn't anything there. They're also just probably the type to do that so meh

why *should* you have a better read on me?

our day 0 strategy was to avoid game related discussion to not give mafia ideas on who to vote for. it was a sound strategy. 10/10 would do again.

interesting that psinightmare's two picks for elimination are epignosis and nutella.

I don't know why PSI is a civilian.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:11 am I've been strongly leading a lot of my forum games and it's been really exhausting so kinda hoping to take this one a bit more relaxed but we'll see if I can handle myself not to post 1000 times
i mean sure, but like, give us some indication you're town before you do that?

If dunya is evil, I will applaud. She isn't though.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?

I'm going to scroll down to the response.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:20 am y is esooa town tutuu?
I cant write anything more than what i already wrote on her at that time

I'm going to stop here and do more important work. dunya and Esooa aren't teammates. Fuck comprehensiveness. I glanced at all the posts. My time is valuable. Moving on.

I have a deck of cards. Two of them are mafia. I pull one out. My assistant sets it on fire. It burns red. It is a mafia card.

What is the other mafia card, tutuu?

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