The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:56 am Great work town!

I did nothing on the group project and got the A.

This describes me.

falcon in the last game came after me when it wasn't him.

I just think it's falcon today. He's given up.

Just wanted to get some dialogue in case I'm wrong.

Hopefully.

I'm not spoiling anything. Blame Seanzie if you want.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:36 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:53 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:30 am

It is Day 1 with an extentsion so that everyone may check in.

Master Radishes and Kate cannot be elimmed today!
Wait, what... two players cannot get elimmed today. What kind of game is this?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:59 am Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:20 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:33 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:59 am Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?
Kate and I are the Mafia.
And we cannot vote for you ... all game long! I knew it! this is the real world. Scum cannot be touched.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:26 am Kinda annoying can't vote for two players today. Kate and MR go into the null pile until d2.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:28 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:07 am Also someone should probably go read the last few posts of the sign-up thread if you want to understand the me/Kate thing.
The f. Its a recruitingbonus.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:42 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:40 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:34 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:32 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:42 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:59 am Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?
probably, tho i imagine someone is bound to be pissed if one of them turns out to be an obvwolf and we can’t lunch them

myself included
I'd bet a million dollars one is a wolf and the other is town
Why would it work that way?
Why wouldn't it?
Apparently itsa recruiting bonus, so itsa totally NAI thing.
The mass amount of attention Belzy puts on the "Can't vote these two" thing is really concerning to me because he spoke about it for 2+ hours and nothing else.

There's others you can probably pay attention to, go to one of them maybe?

That's an unnecessary early take to play on a teammate, right?

Into the sun if need be.

Now now. This is a kids show. Use that energy to uplift one another.

Gentlemen, gentlemen. Calm down. It's "wipe your ass."

I just read through Lime Coke and feel fine. If you're looking for more specific shit, I don't mind doing that. Just let me know.

My present lean is Radishes or Zenon.

In the interest of making today productive, falcon is a civilian.

Where do we go from there?

One word at a time sir.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

The remaining are more complicated, and I have nothing to say in favor of falcon. Falcon sounds demoralized.

Damn sure not voting for SVS, so I'll skip that one.

Not interested in a Lime Coke vote.

Won't be voting fingersplints.

I have no reason to view falcon as a civilian.

I'll wait to hear from SV.

As long as S~V~S is alive, she has my support.

Yeah that only took three minutes of my time.

I don't see any.

I'm going to turn my attention to see if there's any reason to leave Wilgy alive.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:54 pm So we cannot vote for Kate and MR, Ted says to be slanking, Falcon is off to some band, musical or festival thingy, Wilg only puts in naked votes, and some other players still have like 1 game related post, and Sean tunnels me cuz I am CWAC. [Censored]

I need to cool down. Please post @ EVERYONE !

I laughed at this post.

The two weakest views here are MasterRadishes and DrWilgy.

And Wilgy is followed up with "and some other players still have like 1 game related post."

None of these are hot takes. I'm just working my way through Belzy's posts and making a list. If anybody wants more detail, feel free to ask.

Not mafia:
Seanzie
S~V~S
ted
falcon

So last night I filled up on sushi and fell asleep in my chair. I'm almost caught up, but I promise not to fall asleep on you again today.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:34 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:32 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:42 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:59 am Is not being in the poll NAI... at random?
probably, tho i imagine someone is bound to be pissed if one of them turns out to be an obvwolf and we can’t lunch them

myself included
I'd bet a million dollars one is a wolf and the other is town
Why would it work that way?

Indignant.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:26 am Kinda annoying can't vote for two players today. Kate and MR go into the null pile until d2.

I expected someone to be annoyed about the prizes. I kept my mouth shut.

Kate is dead and MR is now.

I'll see how that plays out.

I have about 20 more minutes of work and then I'm free to lock in on this.

What the fuck am I doing? Belzy was bad. I can do stuff.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:41 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:06 pm @Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind
Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

I don't have an explanation. I know I look bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:52 pm I've kind of felt for awhile that the gamestate suggests a relatively low-impact scum team. Like they aren't running the show here; they're trying to nod along and get by unnoticed. To me Belzy didn't fit into that, but of course not every scum member has to I suppose.

But I think we'll find scum in, like, Falcon or Epi. Or Wilgy, though I don't really feel that one at the moment.

I'm sorry you are Belzy's teammate.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:06 pm @Epignosis please explain your d1 read of belzy, what you wolfread them for and what the posts were that made you change your mind

Give me an hour, and I'll do just that.

I'm not mafia. J is for Jesus.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:05 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:39 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:07 pm @Seanzie definitely once, possibly twice. I didn’t notice and movement any other time. I don’t know for 100% sure. I wasn’t refreshing like clockwork, I know I saw it once after the initial time, but I won’t swear it never happened again.

I saw what I saw and her reaction cemented it for me.
Just to be sure I understand though, when you say "definitely once", do you mean that

1.) you definitely saw it for one 2-3 minute period between refreshes,

or did you have a situation where you:

2.) saw it, knowing you hadn't refreshed, hadn't clicked to see more posts, anything, for at least 2-3 minutes, then refreshed and it was still there?
I'm specifically asking because while Belzy's story seems weird, she does give of kind of an indignant vibe about it. It is possible that is bravado (and that is what I'm leaning towards), but I'd like to rule out the possiblity that your two stories are compatable. The poll is a little funny in how it resets (and I just did a few tests to check my understanding myself), so I want to make sure I know exactly what you're claiming to see to check if it is truly incompatible with Belzy's claim, or compatible, but coming from a misunderstanding about the poll.
I already townread Sean but this confirms it for me. Town are way more likely to think of things like testing how the poll resets because they're actually solving instead of faking it.
What are these tests and how do you preform them?
I don't know. I just think the idea of testing the poll is towny.

That's weird.

Seanzie, what are these tests and how do you perform them and why do they make you a civilian?

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:24 pm I'd like to propose a wolf MR world.

Discuss.
Id like to discuss a wolf Belzy world.

I should have just lied and claimed mech; it's the only way to get taken seriously around here. I'm that sure she's bad.

Unless y'all think I'm making it up, I saw what I saw. I wasn't lying, it was there *at least 2-3 minutes* (possibly more; but I can't swear to that, so I won't). If I'm gonna make up a bullshit case, it's not on Belzy who I don't know and, based on her day one reads, wouldn't view as a threat if I was bad.

There was a valid wolfsided reason for considering an attempt to yeet Thunal rather than Robyn, who had asked for a replacement. No one around here EVER holds anyone accountable for misyeets, so she could have talked her way out of it, especially with a 'shield' that refuses to even consider that she could be bad.

We are forgetting that Robyn and Thunal were tied after Thunal moved her vote to Wilgy.

When she voted for Robyn again, 6 minutes later Belzy moved to Robyn. LESS THAN A MINUTE LATER, Wilgy tied it up again by voting for Thunal, *tying it up again*.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:46 pm *sips tea in [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
As an aside, after ^^ Belzy makes a "any reason why" remark at Wilgy, who she has been shading all game (which I figured out from rereading her at 4 effing 30 this AM cause I couldn't sleep thinking about this game lolol), without making any real effort to do anything about him. She even made a cute little remark about how hard it is to get a Wilgy vote going.

Until Sean moved to Robyn, 3 minutes before the poll ended, and Wilgy moved to Robyn right after Sean Like 2 minutes.

I could consider a Wilgy vote, but it would be for associative reasons, and meta reads (like I think his responses to Belzys shade were not what i would expect of town Wilgy, like I said, it's his town tell for me), but it would be an associative read based on Belzy being bad. I would rather yeet Belzy first. Yeeting someone becasue I think they're the partner of someone else who I think is bad would be putting the cart before the horse.

~THEN~

When I accuse Belzy of this, with all due respect, she absolutely loses it. Not in an indignant how dare you way, either. I'm trying to write a post answering her question by explaining my point using quotes, which is what you do when someone asks you "why", and everytime I search the thread there are 2-3 more pings with "@SVS" 6 times per post.

Then she obvs rage quits.

Come on. Please trust me. She's bad. This is disheartening (I hate to sound ATE, but it is). I'm not understanding why this is so hard for everyone. I'm really not.

If Belzy is bad, it isn't Wilgy.

It's Radishes.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:44 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:38 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am Come on. Please trust me. She's bad. This is disheartening (I hate to sound ATE, but it is). I'm not understanding why this is so hard for everyone. I'm really not.
I think most people believe you. That doesn't necessarily mean Belzy is scum, though. And spending 48h waiting for Belzy to die doesn't sound productive.

There's nothing wrong with other people wanting to poke around in other directions in the mean time.
To continue, like, I was actually kind of getting into the game on D1, but my motivation is gone for D2 here. Partially that's a me thing (other things came up and took my attention) but also it's because everything now revolves around a she-said-she-said dichotomy I'm not involved in, so like...I may as well just wait till the flip so we can move on one way or another, y'know?

I feel like it's fairly clear we're going to flip Belzy today. So I'm not going to bother wasting more time thinking about whether it's indignant townie or cornered baddie. I'm mostly mulling over a few other slots that haven't gotten as much attention, and letting thoughts percolate in my brain space. I have half-formed thoughts on the gamestate we're in and what it means, but since Belzy has become the thread's centre of gravity none of it is worth pursuing until we have her alignment to anchor our worldview.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:47 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:32 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:30 pm If you’re a wolf youd rather yeet the active player than the inactive one who asked to be replaced. if they’re tied.

Then you spend the next day being all civvie like arguing to save the slot in case they’re civ, maintain balance yada yada. Given the tie we had wolves want to lynch the active player every time.
yes, but wouldn't it be borderline outing for you to make posts about saving a person but your vote is sneaked in on them for everyone to see? on d1?

you have to be aware that wolves have... awareness. they need to plan ahead

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:45 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:41 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:31 pmAm I wrong?
not really, just the part where belzy said svs was lying about the vote thing seems to be the most worrisome part to me

but then again, like i said, it seems like villagers lying about easy facts for whatever reason can't be ruled out lol
Is it possible that Belzy believes what they are saying?
i think if they're a wolf, they definitely didn't intend to vote thunal while defending her with posts in broad daylight

most likely it was a misclick

but i think their reaction isn't too great. honestly the only bad thing i can imagine pursuing a wagon on them is that 2 people in a row that were read as caught for the wrong reasons ~~were likely villagers lmfao
I might put Ted a little higher than I did in my readslist. These posts and Ted's reaction to the Belzy push come from someone who really does believe Belzy would plan ahead and not stealth vote me. Imo Ted is only with Belzy is if Belzy was a wolf who actually did misclick in the poll. I don't think Belzy voted me on purpose, voiced that in wolfchat, and then teammate Ted insisted that wolves have awareness.

Pff. Read on a little more Epi. Read on.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:37 pm Zenon
SVS
Seanzie

Splints
Master Radishes
Lime Coke

Epi
Falcon

Ted
Wilgy

Belzy

Why am I higher than Ted?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:07 pm @Seanzie definitely once, possibly twice. I didn’t notice and movement any other time. I don’t know for 100% sure. I wasn’t refreshing like clockwork, I know I saw it once after the initial time, but I won’t swear it never happened again.

I saw what I saw and her reaction cemented it for me.
Just to be sure I understand though, when you say "definitely once", do you mean that

1.) you definitely saw it for one 2-3 minute period between refreshes,

or did you have a situation where you:

2.) saw it, knowing you hadn't refreshed, hadn't clicked to see more posts, anything, for at least 2-3 minutes, then refreshed and it was still there?
I'm specifically asking because while Belzy's story seems weird, she does give of kind of an indignant vibe about it. It is possible that is bravado (and that is what I'm leaning towards), but I'd like to rule out the possiblity that your two stories are compatable. The poll is a little funny in how it resets (and I just did a few tests to check my understanding myself), so I want to make sure I know exactly what you're claiming to see to check if it is truly incompatible with Belzy's claim, or compatible, but coming from a misunderstanding about the poll.
I already townread Sean but this confirms it for me. Town are way more likely to think of things like testing how the poll resets because they're actually solving instead of faking it.

What are these tests and how do you preform them?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:56 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:28 pm Also what you’re reading as indignant townie I’m reading as cornered baddie.
This is where I'm stuck. My initial instinct was indignant townie. Upon reread I felt more cornered baddie.

Hmm.

Nah.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Also, I just broke a glass.

I need a better summary of the Belzy miss lick thing. I'm tired. It's late.

When did the miss lick occur?

Whom did Belzy mean to vote?

How long was that vote on there?

Where did the vote ultimately end up?

Fill out this form and please allow 3-5 business days for processing.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:51 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:48 am He said Sunday he'd be back. It's Tuesday!
Is it sad my first response was “god damn. That must have been a good festival”

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:50 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:40 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:33 am I still want to hear from SVS if it is about a single 3 second lasting mislick hours before eod1
@S~V~S
@S~V~S

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:33 am I still want to hear from SVS if it is about a single 3 second lasting mislick hours before eod1
@S~V~S
@S~V~S
Misclick*

@S~V~S
@S~V~S

Forgive me if Wilgy already made the obvious joke I want to make.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:17 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:43 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:30 pm I don't have alot of screen time tonight, but will tomorrow and the next day. But that whole song and dance the end of day, it felt *fake* but it also did not feel like something Thunal would do.

I also don't think Thunal would kill Kate. She's cool headed that way.
being her strongest pusher isn’t enough of a reason?
No, I just wolfed with Thunal, and being her biggest pusher would be the reason Thunal wouldn’t kill Kate; too obvious. A Kate NK points right at Thunal.

I was literally in the middle of writing the vote Thunal post after the night post went up when I realized that, 1) the vote on Thunal made zero sense in a world where Belzy and Thunal are w/w, and, 2) Thunal would know killing Kate was a bad look for her.

Thunal didn’t kill Kate; Belzy did. I know it in my heart of hearts.

Hot fire. Hoping to hear more as I read.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:09 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:03 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:26 pm I don't actually think SVS lied that Belzy sniped me, but I want to make sure. Did anyone else see Belzy vote me in the poll?
It is a lie tho. You were there eod1. And why don't talk with me about it?
It is absolutely 100% not a lie.

Like I said last night, I swear it on my dog, which is ultra srs for me.

You can absolutely misconstrue anything else I said from here till Christmas, I saw what I saw.

Lol I’m still in bed, gotta get up walk dog, bbl.

Can you summarize what you saw and when?

I apologize for making people do extra work due to being so far behind.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:07 am SVS needs to be lynched here always.

Is it customary to have a conclusion in mind and then interpret a number of posts to support that conclusion?

You began with your conclusion:

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:32 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:22 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:15 am If Belzy town then Thunal and SVS both maf.
This is the world we are living in thunal should be turbod
SVS is wolf, either with Thunal, or is using Thunal to frame me. I will quote some SVS stuff that is interesting to read. SVS should always be lynched before Thunal.

And then went through S~V~S's posts. Why that order?

Scratch that- I see you've posted to that before, so I'll check into that later.

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:07 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:57 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 pmBelzy is town
I wouldn’t expect you to say otherwise.

And no, she isn’t.
Yeah she is

How do you know?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:08 pm If Thunal is town, I hope we keep her alive.

That's a hot take if I've ever seen one.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:57 pm my epi read was something like.. as a wolf he has a tough time selling stream of consciousness while catching up posts

things like saying he wolf reads belzi up to some page and then changing his mind. i feel in general wolves would rather fully catch up and then react to a few posts or react to posts as they see them (good or bad) and maintain that angle or change it through a visible progression

saying belzy is bad til page 5 - not saying why and then changing his mind reads more like he actually read the thread as a villager to me

not strong or anything, but /shrug

It's stuff like this that makes me think ted is good.

Never mind that I'm the subject of the post. In Vocaroo 3, ted tried to bury me with some Snufflupagus poo poo that was easily and demonstratively false just to have something to say about someone.

If ted's bad here, he's doing a far better job of being nuanced.

But I believe ted believes what he is posting.

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