The Syndicate

The mafia team just did a marvelous job letting the civilians eat each other alive. Truly an amazing sight. Well done Seanzie and falcon.

But also...

...not sorry.

Sorry I got drunk on my birthday.

Nice move there falcon. Good game.

The devil was that.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Seanzie

@S~V~S
@Master Radishes

Hail Mary here. ^

Oh well.

Good game falcon and Seanzie.

I am alarmed that Seanzie is comfortable voting MR knowing this is the endgame scenario.

Seanzie, who is the mafia team?

However, one point in my head still stands out: Of all the people Seanzie talked about today, S~V~S didn't receive a clear opinion.

No, I misread something.

If S~V~S is mafia, my first instinct is that Seanzie is the partner.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:22 pm A tornado came close to my house, so I was hunkered down in my bathroom for a while. It is past now, so I am safe. Slowed down my SVS ISO, but I'll finish it now.

Shit's pretty calm here for now. Hope you're all right.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:37 am @Epignosis What's your read on MR right now?

It went bad, worse, then fine, then okay, and now whatever.

I've lied again.

I've done all I'm going to do tonight. I'm beat.

I think S~V~S is mafia. Michelle did too.

And if I'm right, I think I have a tell on mafia S~V~S.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I'm going to read through everybody for my own satisfaction, and I'll save S~V~S for last since I already have a bias against her in this one.

I am finally off work. Jesus is college football a pain in the ass.

[VOTE: No vote] aubergine

I need to get my head in the game.

I'll try this evening (hopefully work isn't like it was last night).

I changed my vote to [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine.

I have to have more faith in myself.

On the surface, I don't feel like S~V~S is looking for mafia. It's all self-defense.

Ah well. This has to be won the old fashioned way, and civilians need to act in unison.

So, well, fuck.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:19 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:04 am This means S~V~S could be mafia but did not kill LinearPoint. Therefore I won't be voting S~V~S today.
I don't quite get how the first sentence leads to the second. SVS' odds of being mafia haven't changed. It just means she would be smart enough not to carry a kill when her biggest detractor is a jailkeeper.
I lied about the Night 1 element of my role. Nobody knew that. When S~V~S was tied to my Guillotine suspicion, and Guillotine perished with no stain, I picked S~V~S thinking she might be bold enough to make a kill.

In any event, it didn't block a kill, and we play this out vanilla style.
As we've established this game, people lie about their claimed role mechanics. SVS/whoever could easily have hedged their bets and had 'whoever' make the kill instead.

I just don't think your JK failing moves the needle on SVS' alignment one way or the other.

They don't. I thought by casting individual suspicion on you, I could catch S~V~S in the event that she felt okay to kill.

JJJ keeps putting me in charge of the clink and I don't know what. I'm terrible at it.

I am so so so goddamn tired

of seeing Seanzie

after I have clicked on "The Emperor's Soul"

saying, "Woo! Well done everyone! Good game! Always exciting seeing a game get down to F3."

*me hindering LP doing something else useful

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:47 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:03 am I, like the departed fart storyteller, lied about my role.

I put S~V~S in the hoosegow last night. Obviously that accomplished nothing.

Why SVS?

Given LPs vote ability, there was a very good chance they'd take the NK, why wouldn't you hoosegrow them over SVS?

I thought about LP, but two things deterred me:

1) LP lying about the role (much like I did) and hindering doing something else useful, and

2) I wanted to catch a killer. Saving LP doesn't move the numbers at this point.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:19 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:04 am This means S~V~S could be mafia but did not kill LinearPoint. Therefore I won't be voting S~V~S today.
I don't quite get how the first sentence leads to the second. SVS' odds of being mafia haven't changed. It just means she would be smart enough not to carry a kill when her biggest detractor is a jailkeeper.

I lied about the Night 1 element of my role. Nobody knew that. When S~V~S was tied to my Guillotine suspicion, and Guillotine perished with no stain, I picked S~V~S thinking she might be bold enough to make a kill.

In any event, it didn't block a kill, and we play this out vanilla style.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

This means S~V~S could be mafia but did not kill LinearPoint. Therefore I won't be voting S~V~S today.

I, like the departed fart storyteller, lied about my role.

I put S~V~S in the hoosegow last night. Obviously that accomplished nothing.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:18 pm But I suppose @Epignosis if you are Mafia, can you shoot Seanzie tonight so I don't have to be paranoid about a Mafia Vigilante? K thx.

You got it dude.

Currently I think Guillotine and MasterRadishes are teammates.

Oh, second line just needs a comma. Got it.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:12 pm Ah booze does have that effect

You are still mafia booze or not though

I am a drinker. That's for sure.

I don't know what your second line means though.

All the same, I think you've been a sporting player regardless of your alignment. I want you to know that.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:09 pm What happened to your aggro eh?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:55 pm Booze.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:09 pm What happened to your aggro eh?

Up until you slipped you were very hostilevagainst me but you surely tone it down after that lol.

I got you good man

Watch this.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:07 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:40 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:38 pm And that's ignoring the fact that you continued to claim Parity Cop for a while into day 2, going so far as to suggest at one point Epignosis is a Town lying about being a Power Role to try and get you killed.
Who is Guillotine's partner?

Who is evil if Guillotine is not mafia?
Well it kind of depends on if Guillotine is a Goon or Power Role. I'm of the belief they are a Mafia Rolecop. If this is correct I would expect one of MR, SVS, Falcon, or Epignosis since none of them are confirmed Power Roles and I do not believe 2 Mafia Power Roles. I trust SVS and Epignosis socially to not be Mafia with Guillotine so that leaves either MR or Falcon, both are honestly equally likely in my eyes though I am leaning on MR because Falcon's day 1 felt pretty good.

If Guillotine is a Mafia Goon, that does still throw into question if we actually have 3 Town Power Roles or not. It's really hard to say because Guillotine is just so all over the place right now. I think I trust Epignosis to not be claiming as a way to out their partner. I could see Mafia Vigilante and thus Seanzie. Guillotine suggested this could be the case, but I am not putting it out of the realm of possibilities Guillotine isn't just distancing from Seanzie because they knew they were screwed.

If Guillotine is Town then I think I would agree with Guillotine about Mafia Vigilante. I was sort of suspecting this world for a while since mechanically speaking 1 additional death via a Vigilante just puts the game to 3v2 instead of 4v2 day 2 if Town double outed Townies days 1 and 2. So realistically it's not changing anything and completely viable for Vigilante to be either alignment. Jailkeeper is much in the same boat. The two could realistically be opposite alignments or the same alignment and that's not something that will mechanically be confirmable. My opinion is that Seanzie has felt socially more townie than Epignosis and Epignosis could have just have gotten a good read that the Parity Cop claim was complete BS with a Mafia Jailkeeper in play and outed to try and gain some good karma for pushing the lying Parity Cop. There is a world where all 3 Power Roles are town, but I am having trouble thinking of what Mafia Power Role could even be in play to balance that out, even if others assume I am lying and a Mafia Double Voter that is in no way nearly strong enough to counter Town Jailkeeper + Town Vigilante. So I'm leaning on the 3 Power Role claims just being the actual 3 Power Roles and we have nothing else in play. I'd have to think further from there about if the Jailkeeper or Vigilante is Mafia and who their partner would be. It would still come down to 1 of Epignosis/Seanzie and then 1 of MR/SVS/Falcon. Right now I'd suspect Seanize/MR.
No, it does not make sense to give mafia extra kill power in a 10 player game now that i think about it.

Town gets the vig to have a chance at killing mafia and scum gets jailkeeper to have a chance at blocking that kill against them.
Plus, if you guys didnt believe my parity cop claim because it was unlikely, then why in the hell you'd believe that his jk is only for day 1?

Night 1.

Can't Jail someone Day 1.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:04 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:02 pm What the devil is FPS? I am old.
Fancy Play Syndrome

Oh, I know this term. It's a poker term. Not a separate mafia term. Got it.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:02 pm What the devil is FPS? I am old.
Fancy Play Syndrome

What the devil is FPS? I am old.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:38 pm And that's ignoring the fact that you continued to claim Parity Cop for a while into day 2, going so far as to suggest at one point Epignosis is a Town lying about being a Power Role to try and get you killed.

Who is Guillotine's partner?

Who is evil if Guillotine is not mafia?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 10:15 pm I'm back in the land of wifi, what I miss?

Guillotine could have had your head on a pike at the wave of a hand.

What say you?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:29 pm Here are a couple very loose, half-formed impressions that probably wouldn't hold up to scrutiny if I actually looked back and read posts again - that is, this is all from my memory, not any backreading.

I've only played with Guillo a couple times, and not recently, but I remember feeling a bit of a difference in his town vs scum meta. I don't want to declare any expertise, as (as mentioned) this was some time ago, and I also think I've only played with him when he was scum, but have observed him when he was town, and that will affect my actual perception and so I may not actually have a good grasp of his meta, if that makes sense. Anyway, that long-winded caveat aside, this, in a vacuum, feels a *bit* more like his town meta on /vibes/. A little less performative, a little more straightfoward tunnelly. But that's a mild impression. And also, his progression on claiming PR is...bleh. Like he telegraphed it way too loudly without actually claiming. It feels a bit too blatant. So I'm not as convinced as others seem to be on his guilt, but I think it's a decent D1 vote.

I have to admit I've not really read SVS' posts very closely. I just finished a game with her and I felt I found her as town pretty clearly by the end of D1. If others aren't feeling that here, then I'm mildly concerned. There's obviously a dichotomy with Guillo at play, as (I think) it was he who made the first real case on SVS. I'd rather vote Guillo of these two, but if the town swung the other way I have no reason to fight it.

Michelle got some suss at an earlier point, and I hold her in high esteem and am wary of ever clearing her too quickly because I do think I'm someone she might easily pocket if she were a wolf. But there was at least one moment (don't ask me what, I can't remember) where I just said to myself 'ahh, Michelle is town' and so I'll stick to that impression for now.

Wilgy I think has gotten attention too, and truthfully I'm a bit thrown by him being so...feisty. I don't know that I've ever, personally, played a game with Wilgy where he tried hard (at least in the first few rounds), though I'm aware he does sometimes. So I feel I can't use any meta-based sense of Wilgy to inform a read, and will keep him null in my head for now. Someone I didn't know, I'd say probably town, but it's just different from the Wilgy I'm familiar with, so /shrug.

I don't know that I have any real sense of anyone else. I'm aware of a few who've had a presence, like Epi and Falcon and LP, but their posts haven't stood out to me and I don't think even a gun to my head will force an opinion out of me at this point.

Master Radishes hasn't voted (and I believe said that wouldn't happen).

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:15 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

This is fine I guess. I have no strong opinion but others seem to.

That was the underwhelming Day 1 vote.

I'm off work in an hour (and probably off now truth be told since there isn't anything to do).

There's two hours after that.

It would behoove us to discuss Day 3 before Night 2 is upon us.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:19 pm
Nobody killed Michelle to frame you.

Dangerous to whom?

Mafia.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:58 pm SVS, this sweet old lady with a twinkle in her eye. Turns out, she had been practicing her farts in secret while her grandkids were cracking up.

You're in trouble for sure.

I mean damn.

You had to go there?

Spoiler: show

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:21 pm No, i sad everything i have to say.

Im gonna continue lolcatting for the sake of just trolling you.

Why?

Because i can =)

Knock yourself out. I'm going to go watch reality television, which I'm sure will be equally delightful.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pm
Seanzie was zero posting, it would have been really easy to get him mislynched if he was town here, same for Falcon.o

I think you overestimate your influence on the thread.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pm 2) If the thread is dead, as scum i want it to remain dead, I don't go out the way to post annoying stuff to bait for reactions, it actually has been me, the reason this thread is not more dead than it is.

Your second post:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:18 am Thread remains dead

Boring

Bye

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pm 3) I claimed a PR that in my opinion didn't risk a real town counter claim, if I was scum at the verge of getting eliminated, I claim doctor or alignment cop and bait that claim out to increase our chances of winning this game.

You're saying this after multiple people have claimed something. There may be no doctor or alignment cop.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pm 4) I claimed saving myself that otherwise would have resulted in a town elimination and then scum would have used my legacy to mislynch Wilgy, LinearPoint and SvS if they are all town.

Now you claimed to save yourself?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:36 am Ok I retract my claim, I'm not a parity cop, I'm actually vanilla

I claimed parity cop to try to bait the night kill, it didn't work and here we are.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pm
5) I retracted my claim 12 hours before EoD, if i was a gamethrower, I hold my claim til the end and actually FPS my way out to lynch one of the PRs, I did the responsible thing to retract it and produce a difference check before lylo.

But now you're claiming a different motive. Either you claimed to draw the Night kill or you claimed to save yourself.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pmSo, I have zero regrets of how i played

What does it tell me not getting killed at night.

1) That one, if they believed my claim they knew I was not dangerous until night 2.
2) That killing the people that pushed me would make me look bad so most likely I could get yeeted.

I could be wrong about Seanzie and he may be a town pr, if this is true then it means:

1) That scum noticed that Seanzie held his vote because from his point of view there can't be two town prs in a set up of 10 people which is the equivalent of a counter claim without actually counter claiming.
2) They believed Seanzie would kill me, doing the job for them, so they killed Michelle instead to frame me.

Nobody killed Michelle to frame you.

Michelle was killed because Michelle is dangerous. Let's get that right.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:16 pmIn this case i would look into who also claimed having read into Seanzie's behavior on day 1 to act accordingly, there could be a scum.

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And the most important thing of all

if i was scum here, I kill Seanzie after deducing he is a PR counterclaiming me instead of Michelle who was willing to work with me, specially because as scum, I would have every reason to believe he'd do something with whatever PR he had against me.

I drop the mic

You might want to pick it back up and start telling us your final thoughts.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:36 am Ok I retract my claim, I'm not a parity cop, I'm actually vanilla

I claimed parity cop to try to bait the night kill, it didn't work and here we are.

I thought about doing some more FPS but it'd be game throwing.

Do I give a fuck if I must be policied yeeted for it? No I don't. From my point of view saving myself as town by any means necessary is a pro town move.

This makes no sense. You were on the cusp of being lynched. That's what prompted you to claim.

Even after your claim, you still had three votes.

Then today, you said you weren't going to provide any details about your role.

Then you claim to have targeted Seanzie.

Now you say you actually want to live.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:23 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:39 pm It's also possible Epignosis is lying about not using their ability and is just a Roleblocker who hit a non-Power Role night 1.
Why would I lie about that? I could keep my mouth shut.
And that makes even less sense.

If I'm a mafia role blocker, and Guillotine over here is the parity cop, I'm targeting Guillotine with that.
Why didn't you jailkept me if you also thought i was scum with SvS then?

Booze.

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