The Syndicate

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Hint for MP: There is no answer, this is just some bullshit

We figured it was an exaggeration, but I worked it out Bilbo Baggins style anyway.

"I am as shapeless as the waves of old unless under the torch of apollo. when I am born I am one but when I die I am many. Some call me a saint and others a sinner. Solve this riddle in time and you'll be the winner. What is six at once and one six times unles reversed and multiplied? The masons call and dead will rise but only when you close your eyes."

The answer is "Darkness."

Darkness is without form unless under the light (torch of Apollo). When the light is cast upon the earth, the darkness no longer has one shape, but instead takes many in the forms of shadows. Some revere darkness and some equate it symbolically with evil. The (stone)masons craft graves for those about to go into the darkness of the earth, and when you close your eyes, you can recollect those you lost to the darkness.

"Six at once and one six times unless reversed and multipled?"

Oh that's easy.

A lot of people are in the dark about math.

Flyin' High wrote:So juliets was Fetus? But Creeper killed her? What happened there?

We had the worst possible luck imaginable.

kneel4justice absorbed my Piranha Plant kill TWICE (N2 & N6). I nabbed you with it, but you got resurrected.

I was recruited by Dom. Dom missed one vote due to inclement weather, so he was on the naughty night poll, and Nev elected to kill him, so I could no longer win with my team.

That same night, Kate died, even with a 50% protection (and she was my protection).

I always had a vote on me so I could never kill.

I got incinerated Night 6.

Night 8 (our kill night) got skipped.

Eloh somehow killed her teammate juliets.

The only two people this entire game we successfully killed was reywaS and Hedgeowl, and the latter only because Eloh killed herself.

With all the protections and resurrections, this was difficult to begin with, but once the secrets got revealed, it basically outed Kate and from that point on it was futile.

You mean to tell me that I killed two Mafia singlehandedly in RR but got lynched with no votes?

My best civilian performance to date, and foiled!

And timmer was next on my list.

Hedgeowl wrote:[quote="Elohcin"][quote="bea"]

10 months! Wow. You are a trooper lady! I assume if you are not having wine you're doing the whole natural feeding thing? How long do you have to go till you're allowed grown-up things again? Also - the first time you get a sitter are you going to go cray-cray or catch up on sleep? You poor thing.

If she is breastfeeding (oh yes, I said the word boys

) then she can technically still have grown-up drinks as long as she waits a couple hours for the alcohol to leave her system. I have been pregnant or breastfeeding for five years straight now and Ephraim STILL loves the boobies![/quote]

Since the red room has been discussing boobs of the Evangeline variety I think we can discuss what they're made for in fact.

Elo, more power to you with 3([/quote]

My wife does not have three boobs. That's why she did not receive a callback from the Total Recall people.

Toodles!

A despicable position.

I must vote Vompatti to have a better hope of living.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:I've read back through Epig's posts. 201 of them. Lots of telling people they are wrong. Lots of telling people they should listen to him. Lots of quick, nothing votes. NOT ONE ACTUAL CASE AGAINST ANYONE. I haven't even come close to reading the whole game yet, but this enough for me for now. Epig is talking to talk but isn't making cases.

votes epig
Well I made a case against Lizzy and she was good.

And I made a case against DP and he was good.
Which proves my point. You're either bad or terribly misguided/off the mark. Just like you are with me.

Huh?

I'm not suspecting you.

timmer wrote:I've read back through Epig's posts. 201 of them. Lots of telling people they are wrong. Lots of telling people they should listen to him. Lots of quick, nothing votes. NOT ONE ACTUAL CASE AGAINST ANYONE. I haven't even come close to reading the whole game yet, but this enough for me for now. Epig is talking to talk but isn't making cases.

votes epig

Well I made a case against Lizzy and she was good.

And I made a case against DP and he was good.

Nevinera wrote:I don't trust this vomps-wagon going on. I don't think he's a terrible suspect, but I think a lot of the people voting for him are voting that way because he's not defending himself, which means its safer.

I've run out of time to wait for Epi's analysis, so I'm going to have to vote on the little evidence and instinct I have - since bea is not available, and llama is out of reach, that means Epignosis.

I'm sorry I was not timely enough. Right now I still don't know for whom I would vote. I've had other things to deal with since this afternoon.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.
When will you actually do this so I can dismantle your case?
You're like that annoying little fly that gets in my house on a nice, spring day. You're buzzing around is annoying and irritating, and I get some newspaper or a flyswatter for when the time is right. But right after you come in, my dog shits on the carpet. So you become a secondary thought.

Yes, there is a message there. But you can interpret it as you see fit. I will say that if you lynch me, it very well could convince people to listen to me.

I see that you've substituted a sixth-grade metaphor and a fourth-grade threat for what should have been a case.

If not, then train your dog to shit outside, clean up after yourself as to not attract flies, and if you want people to listen to you, use the Big Boy Voice.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.

When will you actually do this so I can dismantle your case?

Flyin' High wrote: @Epi: Here's my problem with your posts Day 2. At the end of Night 1 you posted your comments about Zodac and proposed we should wait to vote INH until Day 3. I and quite a few others were completely on board with that idea and willing to wait. Then you had an epiphany and commented that if Media actually caused everyone's night powers to redirect, then we wouldn't have to worry about Zodac and could freely vote INH. Then INH posted his lie that he was allowed to pick 3 ROLES to be immune to his power. And you believed him? That has never sat right with me. Then you returned to your original plan and since then have remained completely perturbed at anyone who deigned to vote INH anyway on Day 2.

Now that we know Media's secrets in their entirety, we know for sure he did cause everyone's night powers to redirect. And I'd imagine a number of players knew something odd happened Night 1 because of results they got back at the end of the night from using their powers.

Your insistence that you were right and everyone who disagreed with you was wrong on Day 2 and your continued belief of that just strikes me as "off" because I think there was evidence that things were screwy Night 1 and you are smart enough to have thought of that.

I post as I go. Therefore I look like a flip-flopper because I post as information (or misinformation) becomes apparent. If I were someone who posted once or twice a day, voted, and took off, you would not have that impression.

And I'm a little tired of being told I'm smart enough for this or smart enough for that. Not offended, but tired. I've been told that three times today. I took the information and misinformation I had and did the best I could do with it at the time.

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote:The "direction" is a certain methodology, not a specific person.
Ah, I apologize then.
Would your direction be harmed by explaining?

My direction won't be, but I'll probably be accused of "Casting a wide net."

Given what I said about INH voters on Day 2, I think a number of villains would hide there. I'm going to start with that data, compare it to the information attained thus far, and sniff out the vote posts of those individuals for tone.

Then I'm going to run all the previously played games through a program I designed this morning during tea, and I'll tell you who is bad.

Nevinera wrote:It's possible I misinterpreted your previous post - it sounded like you were saying you had talked yourself into voting for me today.
Since I was the only person referenced in your post, and you said "I think I just talked myself into a certain direction for today's vote"

I'm not sure who else you could be referring to, but if I misunderstood, then I retract my mistaken inference.

The "direction" is a certain methodology, not a specific person.

Nevinera wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG do not think bird is bad
I do not think Nev is bad
I think Epi might be bad
And that surveying me very sad
Yeah, I can't imagine he doesn't know I'm not a baddie,
and pretending not to realize definitely seems to characterize him that way :-\

Are you talking about me?

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Lynching Media PERIOD is in the bad guys' best interest, is it not? A bad guy would be all over the Media lynch because it would:

1) Keep attention off of himself, and
2) Waste a lynch on someone who is not on his team, thereby
3) Ensuring the use of their powers at Night (like killing).
On day 1, there is absolutely no gain for the baddies from lynching media - there were no other suspicions because there was no other information.
Day 2 was very similar in its lack of information. I agree that spending much effort on Day 6 chasing down media would be pointless,
but only because we know his win condition now - at the time we no reason to expect a 'wins with anyone', since Media was a baddie originally.

Day 2 was decidedly not similar. A Person got modkilled and was revealed. That was huge information.

And Media's win condition did not matter. So long as no one said his name, he was powerless to attain it.

I think I just talked myself into a certain direction for today's vote.

Hell, even if people voted for him because they wanted peace and quiet, they didn't get that anyway, because he spams in dead red!

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Draw what out?
The lynching of inh - drawing out a lynch to take three days instead of two is definitely in the baddies best interests,
though it's not necessarily something a civ wouldn't do.

Lynching Media PERIOD is in the bad guys' best interest, is it not? A bad guy would be all over the Media lynch because it would:

1) Keep attention off of himself, and
2) Waste a lynch on someone who is not on his team, thereby
3) Ensuring the use of their powers at Night (like killing).

Instead, I tried in vain to get the thread to reconsider not throwing away a lynch wherein people could easily hide. I tried desperately to get people to talk about A Person's revelatory modkilling. I strove with everyone to leave the neutered independent alone and try to find a real villain.

So in terms of drawing it out, yes, you are right. I was in favor of postponing the Media lynch indefinitely, precisely because a Media lynch would be beneficial to the villains. Whether that lynch happens Day 2 or Day 3 is irrelevant- it's still a "Safe Day" for the Mafia.

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: So according to you:
On Day 2, what I was saying about Zodac had a lot of "tactical merit."
On Day 6, what I was doing was trying to save Media and I should be lynched for that.
There's nothing inconsistent about that, aside from the way you rephrased my opinions in the bit I quoted.

What you were saying *did* have tactical merit.
That doesn't mean that it can't be considered evidence that you were trying to draw things out.

Draw what out?

Nevinera wrote: Could you stop behaving like I'm sitting here chanting 'Epi is bad! Epi is bad!'?

I will behave as I wish, thank you.

Nevinera wrote: I don't have any solid evidence for that assertion, and I have not claimed such. I think you are a solid choice for a lynch vote, but you know what would be more useful than half a dozen NO-U posts?

That wasn't a NO U. That was me demonstrating that your reason for possibly voting me was, at best, poorly considered, and at worst, staggeringly hypocritical.

Nevinera wrote: Unless you actually think *I* am bad?
In which case you're clearly not playing very observantly,
and I would appreciate a brief summary of what I've done that suggests that to you that I might rebut.

I have no intention of voting for you, and I never expressed any such intention.

DharmaHelper wrote: You were unconvinced that he was Media, so you decided to pull the trigger by saying his name enough times to give him Super Saiyan powers, and then afterwards, you realized he was Media and argued (after you'd already said his name plenty of times) that we stop saying his name and ignore him...

This demonstrates an uncharacteristic lack of foresight and critical thinking.

What I did provided us proof that he was Media.

If you would like to continue to criticize my mental prowess, perhaps off-topic green would be more appropriate. If you want to demonstrate how my Day 1 & 2 actions make me bad, then I'm still waiting.

Although unlike Walter White, I'm smart enough to know when a guy's made up his mind ten minutes ago.

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: When I uttered the name as I did, I did not believe he was Media. At the time, people were trying to come up with a (very distracting) system that included nicknames and other business. Having borne witness to that utter foolishness in Lost Mafia, I pulled the trigger so we could all move on.
I'm not really arguing for your lynch right now, though I don't have any better suspects tbh.

But how could you *possibly* have not believed inh was Media?
The only other role that might remotely behave that way was Fetus, and surely he wouldn't do it on turn 1.

I did not believe he was Media on Day 1, and I even told him if he was Media, he was doing a poor job of handling the role. My mind changed Day 2.

Dr. Fetus was the "only other role?" Ah, hindsight!

On Day 1, you expressed a host of possibilities about him, one of which was Media.

I'm really surprised with you Nev.

Nevinera wrote: Actually, rereading all of her posts made me suspect *epi* more than anything else;
his odd behavior surrounding inh in the early game doesn't really make any sense for a civ.
Not just the repeated mentions post, but the way he tried to use Zodac to keep us from lynching inh the next night.
it seems like something a baddie would do to keep the attention on the indies for longer.

Compare that to your Night 1 / Day 2 posts:

Nevinera wrote:
Somebody wrote:Well, well, don't we have a dilemma here? Vote for me, and then Mr. Zodac siphons the votes. Don't, and I get to another day. What ever shall you do?
I actually am no longer worried about you. The baddie teams will NK you as soon as we stop voting for you.

Nevinera wrote:
blindfaeth wrote: Though I must confess I don't agree with you, baddies love to keep suspicious characters around.
BTW, if you aren't worried about He who shall not be named, then why did you put effort into not naming he who shall not be named? (That was a doozy to type)
1) If his counts don't roll over, he is going to be powerless the whole game, because we all know who he is now, and won't name him.
2) If they do roll over, and he gained a NK, we'll know very soon. So will the baddies, and they will execute him out of fear.

Nevinera wrote:Holy crap. I was only gone a few hours!

Not voting yet, but I think Epig's argument about Zodac has lot's of tactical merit. Even if he had time to change his target though, he probably would still have left it on redacted, because it was obvious to anyone listening that he was *going* to be lynched next.

I have my doubts about the media powers enumerated though:

1) If he actually just described the bulk of his powers accurately, he would have been modkilled for sure. That's not something you're allowed to do.
2) If he used some kind of 'chaos randomizer' like the role used to have, surely (a) it wouldn't have resulted in a bunch of people systematically receiving the same curse and (b) It wouldn't have resulted in NK's targeting both me and svs, two very active players at the time.

I also think it's very unlikely that MP would have left the secret roles remotely intact - not much point in secrets if everyone knows how they work, right?
So, while I am very concerned about Zodac's power, I have no confidence that he will be able to run this game like that one.
I *do* however know of a good way to find out. If we lynch that guy, and someone else gets lynched, then we *know*.
A little knowing is worth a *lot* of guessing.

I'm going to hold out for later on the vote, because I think more information might be surfacing, but I will probably vote for the obvious person.
Desperation is evident, and I take that as a good sign.

Nevinera wrote: I think our best play right now is to lynch ---- again, and see what happens.
If he doesn't die, he's Fetus.
If someone *else* dies, then we know Zodac has the same power as before (which is tactically *very* important to know).

I rather doubt MP would have left him the same, honestly.
The power was a little too game-controlling in MotU.

So according to you:

On Day 2, what I was saying about Zodac had a lot of "tactical merit."

On Day 6, what I was doing was trying to save Media and I should be lynched for that.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nevinera wrote:I don't really see anything in BWT's history that talks much to me.
She's been fairly consistent about her conviction that Epi is bad,
and otherwise hasn't made a ton of assertions.
You might call that blendy, since she talked a lot without saying very much,
but I never liked using characterizations like to vote on.

Actually, rereading all of her posts made me suspect *epi* more than anything else;
his odd behavior surrounding inh in the early game doesn't really make any sense for a civ.
Not just the repeated mentions post, but the way he tried to use Zodac to keep us from lynching inh the next night..
it seems like something a baddie would do to keep the attention on the indies for longer.

If we could allow bea to go un-voted-for today, we ought to be able to determine her bob-ness from that;
I Epi will get my vote unless something more relevant comes up.

(I'll get to vote analysis on all three shortly though).
Eh?

This post reaches the opposite conclusions about what I was trying to accomplish.

I used OK Computer's name two dozen times to get people to stop going on about him and focus on finding a villain rather than an eccentric independent that could have been contained and ignored. I don't know why you and birdwithteeth11 keep suspecting me for doing that. I explicitly and decidedly was trying to get people to not lynch a neutered independent and focus on more pressing concerns, and that (based on my understanding of Zodac at the time) if people absolutely had to have Media's head, that they skip a day phase and lynch him then.

But hell, nobody was successful in lynching him anyway. Two wasted Day periods, and I'm the "baddie" who would try to keep the attention focused on the independents?

Pardon my French, but dafuq?

Still doing my re-read for the day but this caught my attention because Epig is not usually this dumb and if he's acting like it, well then he's acting.

I'm curious Epig, how you justify handing INH all his powers on a silver platter "neutering" him? In what way was he neutered? Additionally, did you expect anyone to be able to lynch Media after you gave INH all his powers on a silver platter (one of which is a lynch save go figure). Two wasted day periods, and yes you do shoulder some blame for that

You are jumbling the events of a timeline as though they occurred at once.

When I uttered the name as I did, I did not believe he was Media. At the time, people were trying to come up with a (very distracting) system that included nicknames and other business. Having borne witness to that utter foolishness in Lost Mafia, I pulled the trigger so we could all move on.

Realizing that he was indeed Media, I argued that we leave him alone, ignore him, and not say his name (thereby rendering him a harmless independent), and search for someone bad. Fortunately A Person (the only person to keep saying the name) got modkilled. Additionally, I was wary of the Zodac factor.

In summary, if people had taken my advice, Media's lynch save would have been a moot point, and the Day 2 lynch would not have been a wasted one. So no, I do not shoulder blame for that at all.

But whenever someone is ready to explain how saying the name on Day 1 makes me bad, by all means, I'd love to know. Because the thought of having my kill or my teammate's kill be randomly redirected to my teammate or me would not be appealing one, were I evil.

bea wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
bea wrote:you know what kids? next night? Please vote me the least participatory player.
What would that accomplish?

honestly -all it would accomplish is that I would be proven that I was a) a civ and b) not the recruit. I have to admit - after so many days of being accused of this - I just kinda want to be proven to be as true as I know I am.

It's frustrating to be in my spot right now. I"ve been trying to help my team as much as I can .

All I meant was that voting for you as the least participatory player would not mean anything, since the outcome is up to Zodac.

bea wrote:and things are financially a little tight right now. I've been scrambling for dinner every night waiting for my check to drop. I know my hubby has the cash too, but we are on opposite schedules and I hate to step on those toes ya know?

Hang in there bea. We know how that feels all too well.

bea wrote:you know what kids? next night? Please vote me the least participatory player.

What would that accomplish?

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Eh?

This post reaches the opposite conclusions about what I was trying to accomplish.

I used OK Computer's name two dozen times to get people to stop going on about him and focus on finding a villain rather than an eccentric independent that could have been contained and ignored. I don't know why you and birdwithteeth11 keep suspecting me for doing that. I explicitly and decidedly was trying to get people to not lynch a neutered independent and focus on more pressing concerns, and that (based on my understanding of Zodac at the time) if people absolutely had to have Media's head, that they skip a day phase and lynch him then.

But hell, nobody was successful in lynching him anyway. Two wasted Day periods, and I'm the "baddie" who would try to keep the attention focused on the independents?

Pardon my French, but dafuq?
An indy that can kill and has an LMS wincon *is a baddie*.

Show me where it says Media has a kill. Go look. I'll wait.

Nevinera wrote:My focus is on reducing the number of baddie kills as quickly as possible, to keep the bad teams from pruning out too many civs.
And I'm not sure if you skipped my more recent post, but I'm reasonably confident that *bea* is the minion now.

I have a fundamentally different perspective than you on game balance and how having more than one bad teams plus serial killers plays out. While you're on the front page searching for Media's killing power, check out the PLAYERS post. Notice anything?

The independents and Mafia have done ALL of the Mafia elimination. Civilians have not lynched a single bad guy. Not one.

So pardon me if I think that your Day 1 and Day 2 preoccupation with OK Computer doesn't exactly square with your insistence about your focus. Especially coming in here jive-talking about how I was trying to keep everyone's attention on the independents. You folk were quite pleased to do that all on your own.

Nevinera wrote:Also, there's information that you may be lacking which renders your argument moot.

My argument was that you were full of shit about my intentions. I don't need any information for that.

Nevinera wrote:I don't really see anything in BWT's history that talks much to me.
She's been fairly consistent about her conviction that Epi is bad,
and otherwise hasn't made a ton of assertions.
You might call that blendy, since she talked a lot without saying very much,
but I never liked using characterizations like to vote on.

Actually, rereading all of her posts made me suspect *epi* more than anything else;
his odd behavior surrounding inh in the early game doesn't really make any sense for a civ.
Not just the repeated mentions post, but the way he tried to use Zodac to keep us from lynching inh the next night..
it seems like something a baddie would do to keep the attention on the indies for longer.

If we could allow bea to go un-voted-for today, we ought to be able to determine her bob-ness from that;
I Epi will get my vote unless something more relevant comes up.

(I'll get to vote analysis on all three shortly though).

Eh?

This post reaches the opposite conclusions about what I was trying to accomplish.

I used OK Computer's name two dozen times to get people to stop going on about him and focus on finding a villain rather than an eccentric independent that could have been contained and ignored. I don't know why you and birdwithteeth11 keep suspecting me for doing that. I explicitly and decidedly was trying to get people to not lynch a neutered independent and focus on more pressing concerns, and that (based on my understanding of Zodac at the time) if people absolutely had to have Media's head, that they skip a day phase and lynch him then.

But hell, nobody was successful in lynching him anyway. Two wasted Day periods, and I'm the "baddie" who would try to keep the attention focused on the independents?

Pardon my French, but dafuq?

When I was The Exaggerator, I used my role to craft paranoia. You cannot use such a role to help a teammate.

Boomslang wrote:In my mind, the obvious reason for a fake kill on juliets would be for her team to remove suspicion of her as a baddie. I'm honestly surprised people haven't brought that up before, unless they think it's too bold of a move.

Is it working?

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Yeah we know. INH approves, I'm sure.

Nevinera wrote:(Epi could give you more details on that topic from bioshock - I was hearing it secondhand through him)

I always allow (and prefer) group PMs. I think MP does too. Most hosts I've played with allow it.

You can read.

BigDamnHero wrote:It would be best for me and everyone else if I walk away for a few days and since votes don't matter, I'm voting myself and leave things in Zodak's hands. Hopefully he can choose better than he did last night. Good luck all.

He voted Hedgeowl.

Your votes DON'T MATTER.

Go watch TV or something.

I voted for gleam, because like on Who's Line is it Anyway?, the points don't matter.

Nevinera wrote: Epi's reaction the the whole Zodac role is wildly confusing to me though -
Are you just offended that MP 'broke' your creation?
Or is there something I'm not seeing that makes Zodac problematic for civs?

He didn't break it. He defiled is.

Mongoose wrote:After catching up on today's posts, it really appears that the number of remaining baddies is staggering. So I would implore you all to not just 86 the LP, but let's use this as an additional lynch cycle in hopes we can snare someone else.

Except Zodac.

Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Doesn't this mean that one shouldn't put too much thought in whom to vote for, since it's a moot point, and any one of the listed participants is doomed regardless?

And if I'm reading his win condition correctly, this makes Zodac decidedly NOT concerned for the balance of the universe, since his objective would be to eliminate all factions but one as quickly as possible.
It does seem a bit pointless, but hopefully he'll at least listen to the arguments we're making.

And yeah, I noticed that too. On the other hand, he's basically immune to destruction by the baddies,
so aligning himself with the civs seems like a reasonable play to make.
I would be a *lot* more worried if Bob were still around, since a TeamBob Zodac would be terrifying indeed.
It initially concerned me, but his actions so far have seemed decidedly civ-ish, especially with regards to kate and the rez poll.

When I designed Zodac, he was the cosmic enforcer, the keeper of balance.

In Masters of the Universe, he had a last man standing objective. If all the villains perished, for example, the civilians would win and Zodac would have lost. This meant he HAD to maintain balance in order to reach his goal.

In here, Zodac is a quirky serial killer.

Pardon me, but

Zodac cannot be night killed. Whenever players are voted on during a resurrection or an inactivity kill event, Zodac chooses among all of the players, and his selection is ressurected or killed, whichever is applicable. During an inactivity kill event, the player of Zodac's choosing is killed, regardless of any ability or condition that normally would protect the player from night kills. Zodac is ~~~~~e~ every night ~~~~ how many players are still alive in each faction (civvies, each baddie team, Independents). Additionally, Zodac decides who is lynched in the event of any ties. Can win with any team.
(I think that blank section must amount to 'Zodac is informed every night exactly how many..', but I can't figure out which words go in there.)

Doesn't this mean that one shouldn't put too much thought in whom to vote for, since it's a moot point, and any one of the listed participants is doomed regardless?

And if I'm reading his win condition correctly, this makes Zodac decidedly NOT concerned for the balance of the universe, since his objective would be to eliminate all factions but one as quickly as possible.

Logan, I voted for you because I am not staying up to 2AM and I would prefer to live. Namaste.

thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Does it still make you irate when people don't agree with Epignosis?
I frequently disagree with him.

Your response failed to answer the question.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Suppose llama didn't exist. Who then?
I don't see the merit in the suspicion against you, so I'd look at the one's pushing that agenda. I'd also look at anyone that voted for Kate to be rezzed. Before we knew all the decoded secrets, it would have been feasible for a team to expect that they could get Big Daddy back stealthily. I'd also take a look at this bwt thing, though to be honest I don't understand that as much either.

I like this response. I will not vote you.

SNOW DAY NO WORK TOMORROW :yay:

Suppose llama didn't exist. Who then?

S~V~S wrote:Does it still make you irate when people don't agree with Epignosis?

I can't speak for him, but I can speak for myself on that.

Spacedaisy wrote:This has been a rough couple days for me. Got word that someone who was like a little sister to me died in a car wreck yesterday morning. Couldn't sleep for more than an hour at a time last night. Needless to say I am not much I the mood for srsbsns mafia. Going to go nap.

I am casting my vote for Epi because as I mentioned before, he seemed to know where the extra kills were coming from before it was revealed.

You have my condolences.

Mycroft got a kill. BB got a kill. Neither of those have kills that we can see, and I do not believe "Alarm Clock" is a kill. I thought my reasoning was rather sound.

S~V~S wrote:I am also probably voting Epi. I think Daisy mskes a goid point, and i also think that of the first set of Moriarty results, the one about him is more likely faked. At that stage in the game, I would use a false result more for cred than for framing people.

I want to reread a few things first when I get home.

If I'm reading this correctly, the thinking goes that I am a Manipulator, and that I used a fake reveal?

If that's what you're suggesting, and I had that opportunity, there's no way in hell I'd pick Homestar Runner to appear as. If I wanted people to leave me alone, I'd have chosen Monsieur Cohen.

Sherlock wrote:The rest of you? Ha. Look at you lot. You're all so vacant. Is it nice not being me? It must be so relaxing.

Your mother's nook was vacant until I filled it.

I will not really be available. I finally got a novel I'm supposed to read for my online course, and I have to write about it before midnight tonight. So I'm sure I'll have seventeen pages to catch up on when I do read through.

I do not think "Alarm Clock" is a Night kill. I think that has more to do with affecting a Day / Night phase (i.e., time). I believe BB got a kill the same way Mycroft did.

Interesting that bea survived a kill from both a civilian and a villain.

At this juncture I think it's clear that Zodac is manipulating the Night polls, probably in the same fashion I have illustrated before. Beware.

AceofSpaces is off the poll.

blindfaeth wrote:Voted DP and Lizzy because theyre civ.

Who deserves a 1-UP?? [VOTE 1 from first group; VOTE 2 from second group]

blindfaeth wrote:Voting from my phone for Epig cuz i dont trust him. I cant get over how on day 2 he spammed inh's name and then didnt put any effort into easing my discomfort by saying he always gives bad vibes. Plus he and nevin have this weird unspoken unholy alliance i totally dont trust.

blindfaeth wrote:Bea, were not talking about mentioning inh at present - it was on day 2 when everyone suspected inh and epig carelessly posted a wall of his name.

Carelessly? Hell, I did it on purpose.

And it was on Day 1.

blindfaeth wrote:The voters for elo for shield with nothing to go on,

Nothing? Assumptions, assumptions.

blindfaeth wrote:the partnership with nevin,

Where is this partnership to which you keep alluding?

I just F3'd the hell out of my posts. I address Nevinera three times:

Once I told him he doesn't know MP.

Another time I tell him he's wrong.

And again telling him he's wrong.

blindfaeth wrote:something just isnt adding up.

That's what happens when you make up the figures.

BigDamnHero wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
BigDamnHero wrote:@Epi: then you know you have no reason to distrust me.
I like that answer. Fucking A.
Thank you sir!

Since you're chatty in the Nights as I don't mind being, what do you think? Who should be lynched?

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