The Syndicate

And the metal pipes draw the water from the marshes.

Okay I'm reaching.

If.

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Epi, why did you pay $500 for a chance card?

Because I am a financially irresponsible person who does not plan for the future whatsoever.

(And what you all didn't know was that boo had a limit on the chance card and I got it for $175, which is why I was able to buy houses and hotels. I of course didn't make this fact public.)

Ohhhh I gotcha. I kept trying to figure out how you were doing that.

I signed up for this not planning on winning,** but just planning on having fun. Mission accomplished.

**That changed when all reds found one another after Night 2 and we could buy houses and hotels, and then changed quickly back when we all died three in a row.

juliets wrote:Epi, why did you pay $500 for a chance card?

Because I am a financially irresponsible person who does not plan for the future whatsoever.

(And what you all didn't know was that boo had a limit on the chance card and I got it for $175, which is why I was able to buy houses and hotels. I of course didn't make this fact public.)

Thanks boo.

This game had the greatest luck that swiftly turned into the shittiest luck.

By the way Boogs, sorry about the lynch, but as LMS, I didn't care if you died.

MovingPictures07 wrote:FYI I have requested assistance from Bluehost regarding the "timed out request" issue for those who are still experiencing that.

Thank you.

fingersplints wrote: Epig

As an English teacher, I always knew Reading would be the death of me.

Boogs wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Fuck St. James Place. Roll a six to get out of jail? Fuck!

Do you kiss Elohcin with that mouth? Also, you owe me some kitty treats mister for being so harsh to this poor cat :'(

No, I don't. She has halitosis.

Fuck St. James Place. Roll a six to get out of jail? Fuck!

I voted Boogs.

Boogs wrote:Whatever. Hope you both go next and they actually see both your deception as the real baddies. Dont even care anymore. I get voted out by half non participators for actually playing.

Pardon me if I comment on the hypocrisy of this statement. I'm playing hard. TH is playing hard. You're playing hard. Yet you think it's a bad guy move to vote out low posters? Aren't you giving them an incentive to not engage?

Boogs wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Boogs wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Sorry Boogs, I am switching my vote to you because I want my two hundo for once.

Great.... good luck other color peeps! Sad i never got to find any of you. Kick some Turnip/Rob A$$ for this kitty Civs!

There's four hours left.

The problem is you claim people are this role or that role. There's only one role checker left in the game, and I don't think it's Turnip Head.

I am surprised you haven't gunned for a low participator, which might have been a reasonable thing to do. Instead, you're operating under the assumption that TH missed his kill (whether accidentally or on purpose). The missed kill is the key reason I am cautious about voting for you.

During your time, however, you've chosen to fling kitty litter all over the place!

No one believes me and I don't have enough to votes to save myself. I'mnot going for a low poster and being anything but myself like I have the whole game. Going for a low poster is something a bad guy would do as an easy way out. I' m true in myself and feel you two are both bad. Without my color able to help me, I am now defenseless against 8 votes and it is sad people like Zeek and Lorab just go with me that haven't been as active and punish me by me leaving and playing hard solo. I just dont see how people will help me get enough on you or TH to stay in 4 hours when most stop just to vote me then go. It's frustrating.

It isn't what a bad guy would do. There's a legitimate reason for pursuing a person who hasn't been around. You were the first person to address it!

And I'm not voting for myself, sorry.

Boogs wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Sorry Boogs, I am switching my vote to you because I want my two hundo for once.

Great.... good luck other color peeps! Sad i never got to find any of you. Kick some Turnip/Rob A$$ for this kitty Civs!

There's four hours left.

The problem is you claim people are this role or that role. There's only one role checker left in the game, and I don't think it's Turnip Head.

I am surprised you haven't gunned for a low participator, which might have been a reasonable thing to do. Instead, you're operating under the assumption that TH missed his kill (whether accidentally or on purpose). The missed kill is the key reason I am cautious about voting for you.

During your time, however, you've chosen to fling kitty litter all over the place!

That's not my meaning- you corrected Boogs yesterday morning on this very subject. I mean, did you forget between now and then or what?

BR, I said "repeated" because others have put it forward.

++++

Boogs wrote:I'm not bad =´´´[
Ive done everything i can to get through to ask for help and to move your votes. I dont have anyone on my xolor set to help and I suck at trying to defend. I've been honest all game and I am being framed and Epignosis is a baddie, not me

Here, you say I'm a utility:

Boogs wrote:Not sure about the Made thing, however I still feel Epignosis giving like half of his starting money on the auction so easily means he isn't worried about money because he has teammates or has some money from people landing on him that was a lot already like Electric Company. Just my opinion but feel like he should go.

Here, you say I'm LMS:

Boogs wrote:Yay no death! Hoping that is from them missing their PMs!
So seeing Epignosis landed on red which clearly has houses, it's safe now I think to pretty much say he and LC are Red properties since he didn't die from paying so much after bidding and winning so much stuff already. Problem is, we are coming around Go and have to touch that in the next 1-3 nights. We have to get the baddies basically perfect now lol.
So Turnip Head? Thoughts?

Here, you say I'm a railroad:

Boogs wrote:He's wrong about me, and I am not bad. Whats he's doing is trying to pin me as a Utility and gain cred with you guys. I'm not on either bad team. I know I keep switching what I think, but every time I think something it's opposite and frustrating. I thought Maybe Epigosis was part of the LC team with those houses, but I honestly think he's the 3rd railroad trying to gain cred. The only problem is killing me today will show me as Civ and blow his plan out of the water. I'm okay voting Epignosis today assuming he's a Railroad as I do, or TH assuming he's Water Works, which I do. I think Epignosis honestly does think I am a Utility and is hoping he's right to also try to get his team to get more kills possibly. If that was your plan Epignosis, then vote TH who is the real Water Works.

Now, as much as I love a boo game, and I do, I can assure you that I didn't get three different roles. I got one, and it is a color. I have been level-headed and transparent in my thinking regarding you, and I have been fair, acknowledging points that indicate innocence on your part. I have not voted for you (yet).

I am not framing you.

These posts were written by the same person, right?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting Epig. I don't see how he could have come up with $750 to pay for the rent on Illinois if he wasn't part of the group.

What do you say Epi?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boogs wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Yay no death! Hoping that is from them missing their PMs!
So seeing Epignosis landed on red which clearly has houses, it's safe now I think to pretty much say he and LC are Red properties since he didn't die from paying so much after bidding and winning so much stuff already. Problem is, we are coming around Go and have to touch that in the next 1-3 nights. We have to get the baddies basically perfect now lol.
So Turnip Head? Thoughts?

That wouldn't matter. If Epi is not in the red group, he wouldn't have to pay out of pocket if there aren't hotels.

Houses don't charge? (Looks at the board movements) Apparently "the bank" paid him. Is this right then?

That is correct. Any rent will show up normally, regardless of the owner, so as to not out properties for anyone.

And also any rent is collected from the bank rather than the player, unless there is a hotel on the property.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Epig has done an excellent job on his case with Boogs, I believe it. I also don't trust Epig, he throws around money like someone who has money to burn.

Thank you.

Regarding the repeated accusation of profligate spending, I don't throw around money. I use it. Like I think people vulnerable to be Night killed should do. I am aware of the most I could lose on a board with no hotels in the span of two turns. I miscalculated at one point, but I took action to correct that.

Why would you consider yourself vulnerable to NK's as opposed to other players? I think this speaks volumes of where you are in this game right now, and also where your team is. You say that like you have something to lose.

Eh?

I did not say I was more vulnerable to a Night kill than anyone else. That's reading something into my words that isn't there. I said "people vulnerable to be Night killed" (i.e., civilians). My thinking is that civilians should use their money to procure advantages in the early stages of the game. Many people don't agree with that, and I probably would have gotten lynched Day 1 if Made hadn't goofed.

Turnip Head wrote:

boo wrote:

LoRab wrote:Is it possible that after Hedge, Boo decided to not include target names on failed kills? In order to even things up a bit? I suppose I could just ask that question...

@Boo: Do the targets of failed kill attempts always appear in posts?

At the moment, I'm more swayed by the case on Boogs than I am by the case on TH. But I'll reread a bit and think more closely before votiing.

Yes.

I think this means that Water Works is an inactive player who didn't send in a kill.

This is the only thing that stays my hand. I'm of two minds about it:

An inactive person (and there are a few) fits well.

However, this could be WW playing the long game. Miss a kill on purpose to set up quiet people. And I've been thinking about this post in particular with that context in mind:

Boogs wrote:Yay no death! Hoping that is from them missing their PMs!
So seeing Epignosis landed on red which clearly has houses, it's safe now I think to pretty much say he and LC are Red properties since he didn't die from paying so much after bidding and winning so much stuff already. Problem is, we are coming around Go and have to touch that in the next 1-3 nights. We have to get the baddies basically perfect now lol.
So Turnip Head? Thoughts?

The enlarged has bugged me since I first saw it. Why was Boogs hoping it was from a missing PM? Strange thing to interject, and Boogs doesn't elaborate or follow up on his comment. Instead, he pursued his (swiftly debunked) theory that I'm a red (and LC's my teammate), and now he's sure I'm a train.

So I'm torn.

HannaK wrote:

Epignosis wrote:HannaK, are you a Fallout fan?

as I am currently sitting in front of my laptop wearing a Vault 101 shirt i'm inclined to say yes

I am playing through Fallout 1 for the first time and hoping to work my way through the series.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:I am not an LMS, I'm still a civ. Where on earth did you get the idea I was LMS Epi?

What does this mean? I thought it was a good question?

To provide a little more insight: juliets landed on Water Works. I found it interesting that Boogs called her a civilian when at a moment's notice any civilian could convert to LMS. He cites having Mafia BTSC with her in one previous game as his reasoning. That's not the same reasoning he's judging everybody else with. He has been after me for my financial activities and for people winning prizes. Therefore, I find it unusual that Boogs gives a vague, "I don't see the same behavior" response (what behavior?).

That said, I wasn't expecting juliets to react the way she did.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:I am not an LMS, I'm still a civ. Where on earth did you get the idea I was LMS Epi?

I think he's saying that to point out that the things Boogs is saying are sketchy from his point of view.

Pretty much.

juliets wrote:I am not an LMS, I'm still a civ. Where on earth did you get the idea I was LMS Epi?

Boogs wrote:He's wrong about me, and I am not bad. Whats he's doing is trying to pin me as a Utility and gain cred with you guys. I'm not on either bad team. I know I keep switching what I think, but every time I think something it's opposite and frustrating. I thought Maybe Epigosis was part of the LC team with those houses, but I honestly think he's the 3rd railroad trying to gain cred. The only problem is killing me today will show me as Civ and blow his plan out of the water. I'm okay voting Epignosis today assuming he's a Railroad as I do, or TH assuming he's Water Works, which I do. I think Epignosis honestly does think I am a Utility and is hoping he's right to also try to get his team to get more kills possibly. If that was your plan Epignosis, then vote TH who is the real Water Works.

I have said it multiple times in multiple games: When there is more than one Mafia, there is no such thing as civilian credit. In this game, there is more than one Mafia, and multiple LMS groups. I am not trying to gain "cred" with anyone. It doesn't exist. You have accused me of damn near everything in this game when it suits you.

Now your wording here is interesting: "Whats he's doing is trying to pin me as a Utility and gain cred with you guys." How does me pinning you as a Utility gain credit with anyone if you get lynched and are shown not to be Utility? Even in a single Mafia game, that's not how civilian credit works.

Boogs wrote:I'm okay voting Epignosis today assuming he's a Railroad as I do, or TH assuming he's Water Works, which I do.

No conviction in any of this. "Assuming he's a Railroad as I do" (hours ago I was a red property with houses). You're okay voting for TH "assuming he's Water Works." That's mighty brave of you Boogs, voting for someone assuming he is this role or that.

Boogs wrote:Honestly, I have read her Civ this game. Being btsc with her once now, i dont see the same behavior as i did in that game when she was bad with me.

So juliets is a civilian, huh? Not a civilian who is now LMS?

Posting now because The Syndicate keeps taking a shit...

Black Rock wrote:Epig has done an excellent job on his case with Boogs, I believe it. I also don't trust Epig, he throws around money like someone who has money to burn.

Thank you.

Regarding the repeated accusation of profligate spending, I don't throw around money. I use it. Like I think people vulnerable to be Night killed should do. I am aware of the most I could lose on a board with no hotels in the span of two turns. I miscalculated at one point, but I took action to correct that.

juliets wrote:epi, I've seen the little thinking man on your posts - what are you thinking?

Not done.

Boogs wrote:Guys, just to note:
This team starts the game with BTSC. Kills even nights Cannot be NKed by the Railroads. Any player who lands on a utility will have their property learned by the utilities, and if they are ever lynched, the utilities will have $300 applied to a bid on the property.
Does that explain why TH isnt dead with taking railroads and such? I think yes.

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:So TH, if he didnt get the $200 bonus (which he didnt) doesn't that mean you beat him because you were the only one of the bidders that did get the $200 bonus.

I thought I beat him, but Boo told me that I did not win the property. His exact words were "No, another $10 bid had already been made and bids must increase from the previous one to be accepted."

Boogs, what do you think of juliets?

Lorab, what do you think of Black Rock?

Turnip Head wrote:Wait... Can we assume that WW doesn't have EC because the latest person to land on a utility only paid x4 their roll instead of x10? It was x10 before BWT died, right?

That seems...frighteningly obvious.

Turnip Head wrote:And if I did win it, and I was Water Works... I wouldn't auction EC off.

Mmm- but a person could put it up for sale and accept no offer.

HannaK wrote:@Epi I've probably just been reading too many posts after each other and I can't make sense of everything right now, but how does Boogs bidding patterns relate to him being bad? (I do like the rest of your case though)

Personally, I am beginning to get more worried about seeing these houses appear on the board + that there are already 2 LMS groups than the baddies as the baddies aren't doing so well during the night (+ getting lynched quite a lot) so I feel that as long as we are not sure about whether we are lynching a baddie, we should maybe direct our attention to members of LMS groups

At the least, it indicates to me a measure of disingenuousness. At the most, it shows a vested interest in securing a teammate's property (and being slick about it).

In fairness to Boogs on this point, however, consider this:

boo wrote:Anonymous offers for Electric Company have been requested. If you would like to put in an offer to buy the property, please PM me and I will pass it along.

There is also the possibility that Turnip Head is lying about winning the bid:

Turnip Head wrote:Because I asked Boo if I won and he told me somebody else already bid $10. For some reason I thought the bidding was at $6.

>.<

I've been thinking about this. If TH thought the bidding was at $6, why bid $10? Why not $7?

Boogs wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I didn't do a 180 on BWT, that's simply not true and it's not part of Llamas case.

You bid on Electric Company too, Boogs.

Yes, I did. However I didn't win Elctric Company and you lied you say you didn't. Then you try to make it seem like I was lying and I had some secret votes on it. Sorry but I had no way of gaining an extra 200+ even if it were true I had something secret. Nothing would have given me that. I was hoping to outbid people and that any BWT voters didn't want it so I could get a card and maybe learn roles and get my teammates finally with it.

When Boogs bid, DF and Lorab already had Boogs outbid.

Compare the above post to the enlarged below:

Boogs wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:You're making a lot of assumptions, Boogs. I don't think those are fair to make, nor are they strong enough to lynch LC; it basically boils down to you wanting to lynch him for the Autofind win.

That said, I think I may have found something notable. I'll let you folks know as I continue procrastinating on PhD work and finish catching up. :P

Just saying, why wouldn't he have used it and have 2 chances to get the third piece tonight? Assumptions or facts is what you have to figure out. This game is different than a normal game and if you want to keep him around to let him get more strong and win more things along with his teammates winning to eliminate us, you be my guest. Me on the other hand, I don't trust him. Disagree if you want, but it's logical to vote him and people need to grow balls. FZ was lame and I went along to try to win extra money for the card. I'm confident in this one.

Boogs understood on Day 2 that he would have to vote for the lynched person in order to get the "extra money for the card" (his words). But with the birdwithteeth11 auction, he had not voted bwt.

Boogs wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Hey Boogs, since you didn't vote for BWT, meaning you didn't get the $200 bonus applied to your bid... Why did you bid $10? Why didn't you bid $210? Your bid was meaningless unless you thought you could win.

S~V~S wrote:What does "friends in high places" mean?

my question exactly. There's no reason for Hedgie to be coy if she has a civ reason for surviving.

Again, i did NOT win the auction. Despite what you think, and where the hell did i get a secret auction vote? The theory makes no sense. I must have pulled it out of my kitty butt. And I bid hoping non BWT voters wouldnt want the properties. I planned on increasing it to try to win towards the end but didnt. I realized i still needed 200 to even outbid and it was useless again.

When did Boogs realize this? He understood well enough on Day 2.

The Day 3 poll ended at 12:14am EST. Boogs was around at 11:31 pm EST, so that would have been plenty of time for him switch to bwt if he wanted the "extra money for the card." The only person to vote after Boogs posted was TH, who switched his vote.

But Boogs still bid $10 for the Electric Company, knowing a measly $10 wouldn't cut it. He even asked boo about the $200 bonus in the same post as his bid, so it is obvious that Boogs was expecting bwt voters to have a bonus applied to their bids:

Boogs wrote:Wow! Awesome! I am weary of bidding for the card, but i suppose i will. $10 on Electric Company

Boo- I dont see the bonus for people voting BWT in the auction? Also, TH bid on something yet I see no powers up for bid. Confused.

This smells like the tuna fish bones of Boogs' leftover supper.

I have more to add (related to Boogs but unrelated to the bidding), but I have to go smell bus fumes for now.

Yay no death blah blah.

BOO. AWESOME FUCKING COINS. WOW.

$202 on Pennsylvania Railroad.

Boogs wrote:

That's who Epig, and yourself of course.

The correct word is "you," not "yourself."

I'm so looking forward to taking you down on Day 5. Unless you're killing me. Then I'll look forward to my BTSC partner taking you down.

Boogs wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Boogs wrote:Bad owl, bad bad owl. I need to go opposite of everything I think for the rest of the game lol.
25 on each property.
75 on vote

Bad kitty. Bad bad kitty. I need to vote the same way I did yesterday.

K have fun with that while the rest of us get the real baddies.

And who are they?

Boogs wrote:Bad owl, bad bad owl. I need to go opposite of everything I think for the rest of the game lol.
25 on each property.
75 on vote

Bad kitty. Bad bad kitty. I need to vote the same way I did yesterday.

Good luck today in both leagues, juliets!

Here are my Panthers:

Boogs wrote:Wr are in Disney for Bf's birthday! Yay! So checking in while we wait in line.
I would love to vote TH after the argument Llama showed, however with me not having time to keep up today, I will vote Hedge for a chance on her card.

Are you something to keep in mind on discussion for tomorrow?

What is it with the Star Wars thing when you guys are bad? Come on, at least entertain me with some new material.

"Barking up the wrong tree" is starting to look fresh.

Long Con wrote:How is that an implication that I searched you on Night 1?

Uh:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:RIP S~V~S. I would have probably checked you next, hope you weren't in my colour-group.

Boo, are people allowed to publicize who they checked at night? Like, could I say "Yo Epig, I checked you last night and we didn't sync up, too bad!", for example?

For example indeed!

Long Con wrote:Blooper said no one can be thought of as trustworthy that early in the game, and so I brought up the two people who expressed trust in you as a point of interest. Maybe you can explain from your point of view how that translates into "I searched Epig night 1", but I don't get your angle here.

You responded by saying even Railroads can't vouch for each other due to lack of BTSC, but again, how is that "calling me out for implying I searched you"?

What I read in those posts and what you are saying happened in them are not even remotely the same thing.

"Calling you out" may be the wrong phrase. I don't mean that I found you suspicious for it. I mean that I "found you guilty of," if anything, dropping info by way of asking the host a question.

Does that make sense?

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:First, I am not in BTSC with Long Con. He implied that he searched me Night 1, and I called him out on that.

When did all this happen? I don't remember implying that, or being called out on it.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 313#p97313

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:We need a highly trained accountant to go through LC and Epi's books and see if they could even afford to purchase that many houses.





MovingPictures07.... I summon thee!!!!!

Yes, as an unhighly trained non-accountant I'm having a hard time seeing how Epi could purchase three houses, even if he has a high rent total. I haven't looked at LC yet.

It looks like there are two groups that have formed, so I guess Epi and LC could be in the house-less group, meaning there is another richer group somewhere.

Linki: I'll return the penny to hear your thoughts.

I wasn't suggesting that I was staying up because of this game (new idea for the next chapter in a book + bourbon), however, I will take back my cent.

First, I am not in BTSC with Long Con. He implied that he searched me Night 1, and I called him out on that. Maybe I do have big balls (you keep obsessing over that- trust me when I tell you that this makes driving a car very difficult ).

Second, I'm not destitute, but I've made poor choices. I'll say that much. Fortunately, I've been able to fix one of those somewhat.

I am most suspicious of Boogs. I believe I have shown his connection with birdwithteeth. My second suspect is Hedgeowl, for surviving (sorry Hedge- I'm not buying what you're selling because there's no product on the shelf to sell).

My third is one I won't announce at this time.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Ah, I'm suspected because of what Long Con has done and said. Good. I thought this might have been something I would have had to stay up and refute.

Addendum: Eh?

Sleep well.

I appreciate that, but I've found another reason to stay up. After all, tomorrow is Saturday.

Ah, I'm suspected because of what Long Con has done and said. Good. I thought this might have been something I would have had to stay up and refute.

Addendum: Eh?