The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:Who made me do Kanye West?

DF. My idea.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Was it said what the enthraller did?
It was a role/item block for two people.
Who Yescursed me then and why?
Metalmarsh 1.0 did. You'd have to ask him why.

Oh dear, no. I meant, who cursed to me to talk in Yestongues.

I didn't mean the bottle.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Was it said what the enthraller did?
It was a role/item block for two people.

Who Yescursed me then and why?

Was it said what the enthraller did?

Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom, Doctor Who wrote:Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Dom, Game of Champions wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".
Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.
I absolutely could have played that better and was not in a good frame of mind when I started my Canuck stuff-- there was better ways to do it. However, if we're saying I was killed for info-dropping, then where the hell was the SVS NK is all I'm saying.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed the endgame very much.

We tried to kill her Night 2.

rabbit8 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote: So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.
When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

Damn it SVS. I thought me going after Bass Hard might get me off the hook for that NK I felt was coming.

Good game.

We saw right through that act.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.
What is voting for me like?
I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I want to point out at this time that when I made the reference to Black Rock getting killed, I was just being amused. There was no plot behind that remark, as Long Con later alleged.

I really should just stop saying stupid shit to amuse myself.

blindfaeth wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
Not too shabby for day one. Called out zomba, bullz and epig. Wrong about Dom but right that SVS wasn't bad. I'm proud of myself, I'm sure the baddies were happy to lynch me.

You called out fourteen hundred other players Day 1 too.

thellama73 wrote:Michigan Ave. - A random player is named in the will of another random player, inheriting all their stuff when they die. It never occured to me that this would be confused with the other will in the item list. In HSK novels, there is always AT LEAST one crazy will.

This was funny, and llama's description should say "role," rather than player, I think.

I believed Long Con was Gilrick Sandringham because he was gunning for me hard as hell. My belief was that he could give his will to someone, and that player's role would be noted in the newspaper. A clever take on a role check, I figured. Therefore, I decided to preempt Long Con's "info" (which he never had, lol), and try to diffuse the situation.

I thought I was all right after the Sophie lynch, but then I got Yescursed.

By the way, S~V~S, my Yes lyrics to you about defending me? I thought that was funny as shit. That's all that was.

S~V~S wrote:Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

By the way, in case it wasn't said, the Millionaire needed to take ten votes to have a vote increase of one.

Black Rock wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but you guys took out more Celestials than baddies that had been lynched at the time. Forward-thinking baddies would have prioritized their kills We were being obvious, but that was the point. You could have avoided us and taken out more useful targets, and only killed Celestials if you needed to.
We were prioritizing.

fingersplints wrote:yay civvies ^-^

I couldn't have thought up a better group of circus people if I tried. hugs:

linki - I'm not sure why the celestials 'naturally' became your next target. We were doing more harm then good and you guys could have won with us. Had you stopped after killing Golden this would have been a very different game and you guys probably would have won.
I never had BR down as Oliver Oliver and til the end thought that role was alive so I don't think that was that obvious either.
Day 1, Black Rock 1.0 made a post that hinted that Zombarella wasn't Oliver Oliver. Bingo. Bang.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to stress the fact that I had an awesome time this game. Thanks for the fun, Llama, and all my celestial loser friends
This very much. Though I was dismayed at the outcome, I had a lot of fun. Thank you host.
Like I said, I was not hinting that I just wanted people to see she was bad. You didn't have to kill me night one.

Yes hell we did!

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah Epi but you guys took out more Celestials than baddies that had been lynched at the time. Forward-thinking baddies would have prioritized their kills We were being obvious, but that was the point. You could have avoided us and taken out more useful targets, and only killed Celestials if you needed to.

We were prioritizing.

fingersplints wrote:yay civvies ^-^

I couldn't have thought up a better group of circus people if I tried. hugs:

linki - I'm not sure why the celestials 'naturally' became your next target. We were doing more harm then good and you guys could have won with us. Had you stopped after killing Golden this would have been a very different game and you guys probably would have won.
I never had BR down as Oliver Oliver and til the end thought that role was alive so I don't think that was that obvious either.

Day 1, Black Rock 1.0 made a post that hinted that Zombarella wasn't Oliver Oliver. Bingo. Bang.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to stress the fact that I had an awesome time this game. Thanks for the fun, Llama, and all my celestial loser friends

This very much. Though I was dismayed at the outcome, I had a lot of fun. Thank you host.

Also, I figured out Eloh's role early on. The way she kept asking about who had what made me think she was a thief (she was, as I said, "casing people rather than making cases"), and we knew she wasn't the Celestial thief.

fingersplints wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why did the indies become your targets? We were ready & willing to work with you.

That made no sense to us, tbh.
Mafia: Outnumber Civilians and Celestials to Win

We needed you out just as much as we needed the civilians out. Your BTSC made you higher priority targets.
You needed ONE of us out to win. Not all 5.

That's only true if we 1) knew you wouldn't try to lynch us (and you didn't know who we were, so you couldn't guarantee that if you wanted to), and 2) none of us ever got lynched or died from other causes.

S~V~S wrote:It turned a large BTS group AGAINST you.

It turned one angry mama bear against us.

S~V~S wrote:Why did the indies become your targets? We were ready & willing to work with you.

That made no sense to us, tbh.

Mafia: Outnumber Civilians and Celestials to Win

We needed you out just as much as we needed the civilians out. Your BTSC made you higher priority targets.

Going into this, I figured this would be an uphill battle. With five civilian-friendly independents with BTSC, plus Oliver Oliver, who could gain BTSC with anyone of those an create a civilian network of unprecedented proportions, I figured we'd put on a good show, and lose quickly.

One post Black Rock 1.0 posted made it clear that she was Oliver Oliver, so we removed her first. We had the Celestials pegged by Night 2 or Day 3, even down the exact roles (Golden helped with us figuring out the roles). They became our next targets, naturally.

Zomb had a lynch stop, so we were not concerned with her flipping, but she wasn't around, and come to find out, she hadn't adjusted her DST settings (I send the PM twice a year for a reason, people!), so I tried to save her anyway. I figured her lynch would be my downfall, but folks strangely went after Sophie instead.

After my lynch, I was dismayed to discover there was more BTSC among the civilians, and apparently more reasons for the civilians to vouch for one another. It made for a rather impossible endgame scenario for us in my opinion.

And for the record, I have never smirked about civilians not winning on this site.

S~V~S wrote:Ooo scawy dead baddie

Celestial travelers have always been here with us
Set in the homes of the Universe we have yet to go

fingersplints wrote:rezz please

Awaken gentle mass touch

S~V~S wrote:Hi Epi

Sing bird of prey. Beauty begins at the foot of you.

Turnip Head wrote:lolz gj baddies

Can you imagine what it's like seeing life from the other side?
Do you imagine darkened light, starless night? You might need a guide.

Once a peaceful man laid his old head down by a river

Word to the wise, well you get what's coming.

thellama73 wrote:My boss told us to go home early today. I'm missing three PMs. The sooner I get those, the sooner I can get the post up and go drinking!

Drink he couldn't combat but he knew he was no sinner.

Kill them, give them as they give us.
Slay them, burn their children's laughter
On to hell.

Here we are trying to mend all the broken hearts
In a world where the pain is the fear
Ain't no doubt there's a method to madness here
Set your clock to the start of a brand new year

Elohcin wrote:I am voting Epi. I have not had time to catch up today and am about 4 pages or so behind (it being Thursday and all), but I think Epi's "curse" may have been self inflicted as he was getting some heat the past couple days. I think this was his last ditch effort to look civ.

Realising a form out of stone,
Set hands moving.
Roan shaped his heart,
Through his working hands.
Worked to mold his passion into clay,
Like the sun.

In his room, his lady,
She would dance and sing so completely.
"So be still," he now cries,
"I have time, oh let clay transform thee so."

In the deep cold of night,
Winter calls, he cries "Don't deny me!"
For his lady, deep her illness.
Time has caught her,
And will for all reasons take her.

In the still light of dawn, she dies.
Helpless hands soul revealing.

Like leaves we touch, we learn.
We once knew the story.
As winter calls he will starve,
All but to see the stone be life.

Now Roan, no more tears.
Set to work his strength,
So transformed him.
Realizing a form out of stone,
His work so absorbed him.

Could she hear him?
Could she see him?
All aglow was his room,
Dazed in this light.
He would touch her,
He would hold her.

Laughing as they danced,
Highest colors touching others.

Did her eyes at the turn of the century,
Tell me plainly.
How we'll meet, how we'll love,
Oh, let life so transform me.

Like leaves we touch, we dance.
We once knew the story.
As autumn called and we both,
Remembered all those many years ago.
I'm sure we know.

Was the sign in the day with a touch,
As I kiss your fingers.
We walk hands in the sun,
Memories when we're young,
Love lingers so.

Was it sun through the haze,
That made all your looks,
As warm as moonlight?
As a pearl deep your eyes,
Tears have flown away,
All the same light.

Did her eyes at the turn of the century,
Tell me plainly.
When we meet, how we'll look,
As we smile time will leave me clearly.

Like leaves we touch, we see,
We will know the story.
As autumn calls we'll both remember,
All those many years ago.

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?
Born in the night
She would run like a leopard
That freaks at the sight
Of a mind close beside herself
And the nearer I came
How the country would change
She was using the landscape
To hide herself.

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.
And all the pieces fit forever
In the game.
I... have no idea what this means.

I wanna be inside your heart
Are you ready
I wanna love forever
Are you thinking
I wanna be inside your heart
What I'm thinking
I wanna know you're with me.

Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?

Born in the night
She would run like a leopard
That freaks at the sight
Of a mind close beside herself
And the nearer I came
How the country would change
She was using the landscape
To hide herself.

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.

And all the pieces fit forever
In the game.

Spirit of Survival

Bullzeye wrote:
juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.
I don't know actually. I've only been bad with Epi once that I can remember and he distanced from us by killing off three of our team in one night. Granted, those circumstances were vastly different. I'm not sure of his attitude to distancing but anything is possible really.

Shock to the System.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:if Epignosis is lynched, then you might get an item from him that could help reveal some things.

Past the safe and small identity

thellama73 wrote:Safe
1
Epignosis (7)
4%

Long Con wrote:Ok, maybe I can hold on to a shred of my sanity. Rabbit, you have always been on top of things, thanks for keeping it real.

Yes, I was expressing frustration at the way that all Epig had to do was invent one post about non-existent info and almost everyone just eats the crap right out of his hand. You'll see on his last post that he's still trying to push that angle. And the thing is, 75 - 80% of the people reading that post will just believe it. I can make ten posts calling it crap and the next ten posts will be speculating on what my info is and where I got it. It's like playing Mafia in Bizarro World. So don't tell me it's a silly thing to worry about, TH. I know it's silly thing. And yet, here we are.

A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.
LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Epignosis wrote:I haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1, so I'm doing this right now:

Long Con has to have info on me. Has to. It's the only thing I can think of that would compel him to gun for me and raise such shitty and minute points. He "knows" something about me.

Attacking me when I can't use vowels? Check.
Attacking me on points I can't defend against? Check.
Turning a jovial observation I made into proof that I set up MM? Check.
Pressuring others to talk about me? Check.

Saying this?

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?
We don't have to. We could just start voting Epignosis.
That says, "I have info." No two ways about it.

I already know three ways info in this game can be wrong (I helped lynch one of them Day 1). It is my perspective that Long Con's "info" is incorrect. If you have been a full participant in every sense in this game, you'll understand my meaning. Given that I won something for a sorry, half-assed attempt I made at the last minute, I suspect most of you have not been full participants.

Lost in losing circumstances, that's just where you are.

S~V~S wrote:Look, heres the deal. This has been a very weird day. I am not sure Epi is a baddie. I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is a baddie. The two people who said they voted Sophie even though they did not think she was bad, WTF is that? I'm not gonna do that. The reaction to saying that i feel how I feel has been very interesting.

While I got no life, I got no hope;
I'm falling in love.
Help me through the fight;
Help me with tonight - I'm calling.

Elohcin wrote:yeah, I didn't think she was bad. Sorry Sophie.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone want to see my voting record?

Day 1 - Metalmarsh
Day 2 - Metalmarsh
Day 3 - Dead
Day 4 - Sophie, who I didn't want to lynch.

I'm having a dandy of a game right here.

Epignosis wrote:You're not going to get a consensus like that going because nobody fucking talks until there's a few hours left to vote.

Another reason civilians on this site lose.

Last train coming home
Last train coming home

All board the train
All board the train

Last train coming home
Last train coming home

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's some points and shit on Epignosis. I'll keep them in chronological order.

Day 1 saw Epignosis make a lot of joke posts, as well as have a ton of interactions with Golden and blindfaeth. He set himself up early by accusing blindfaeth and Golden of buddying each other at the beginning, and continued to accuse them throughout the day. Not much to see here, aside from both blindfaeth and Golden pushing an Epignosis lynch.

I've pointed out this quote before, but I'll pull it again.

Epignosis wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!
Now that's interesting, right there.
The point I made earlier and I'll make again is that this reaction is a perfect set up to slide one way or the other while Epignosis waits to see what the others have said. A weather vane point with the wind, if you will.

Night 1, I brought forth a theory on SVS and Zomba, which I thought had some strong potential. Epignosis disagreed with the ideas behind the theory here and here, though never addressed the theory itself.

Come Day #2, some strange things happened that resulted in my lynch. I still find them strange. Night 1, Epignosis debated some things with LC and rabbit, TH made some little comments, but nothing really relevant. At the time, I found this suspicious, because TH specifically said "I like where this is going". Now, Epignosis stated early on in Day 2 that "My #1 man is still Metalmarsh, but never followed up on it (except with a vote). No reasons why, but TH followed up on it with a case. Epignosis did however make some other joke posts, such as lying that I had self-voted (for who knows why) and dropping some implications into the thread such as "Black Rock is out Night 1". Anyway, the result was my original lynch.

Then there is the Zomba lynch, which Epignosis was so dang proud about. I recommend anyone who has the time and energy to do a reread of Epignosis. Zomba had been a hot topic all game up until her lynch, at least from the moment that blindfaeth brought her name forth. Epignosis was willing to debate the will with Golden and blindfaeth on Day 1. But when it came to Zomba, hardly a mention until the votes piled onto her on Day 3. There were a few joking interactions between the two, but Epignosis only mentioned Zomba seriously on two occasions. Here he mentions Zomba to support a suspicion of LizKeen, and the only other time was in the above pulled quote I already mentioned. It's one thing to think someone is good or bad, but to ignore the idea altogether is a different story. Considering in the quote I pulled up above that Epignosis pointed to the one particular comment from Zomba as "interesting", it should be a surprise to everyone that Epignosis did not pursue it.

Another observation I will make. On Day 4, Epignosis voted for Dom, with the intention of voting for the player he found suspicious. No he did not say so, but he did agree with me that lynching Dom was not plausible. Why didn't Epignosis do this on Day 3? Throughout the day, it seemed clear that LizKeen was Epignosis's number one suspicion. Yet come Day's end, Epignosis placed the obvious crucial vote to tie the lynch between Zomba and Vompatti. Not only this, but he placed the vote on Vompatti, Luckily, Zomba was lynched anyway, and Epignosis looked the fool.

Let me simplify Epignosis's daily cases.

Day 1 - blindfaeth brought information to the thread, so he is bad.
Day 2 - Metalmarsh self-voted Day 1, so he is bad.
Day 3 - LizKeen quoted Vompatti, so she is bad. But he voted vomps anyway even though he had no suspicion of vomps.
Day 4 - Dom spoke like a politician, so he is bad.
Day 5 - ???

So, vote Epignosis please. Stop listening to him and people who have been wrong.

Damn I'm tired, but now I have beers in me. More Black Butts.

All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts there shown before you
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to say that this is all confusion
As I see a new day in me, I can also show it you and you may follow

rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:MM, I'm still eager to hear your case. Even if you don't think it's worth it.
We must have waited all our lives for this
Moment

birdwithteeth11 wrote:MM, I'm still eager to hear your case. Even if you don't think it's worth it.

We must have waited all our lives for this
Moment

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I still think Epignosis is bad and that we should lynch him.

Sol, Dhoop
Sun
Ilios
Naytheet
Ah Kin
Saule
Tonatiuh
Qurax
Gunes, Grian
Surie
Ir
Samse

Long Con wrote:You guys are hilarious. Again, I don't have any info. I have a case, nothing more. At this point, I'm pretty sure I'm right. I don't have an official rolecheck, or special abilities that helped me foster this suspicion of Epig... I had facts instead. And I had Epig's actions. That was the original. Then Epig reacts by saying I must have info and furthermore it could be wrong in one of three ways. I don't really understand how that actually makes him looks less guilty to S~V~S, it has the opposite effect on me.

Then Epig puts forth a suggestion that simultaneously smells like a role hint and tastes like a Zomba save in the biggest kind of way.

Then Epig votes Vomps to tie the vote with Zombarella.

And someone suggested that Epig's baddie team might be trying to protect him by cursing him. Well, you don't have to actually have a curse used on you to hide behind a language limitation. (Although I realize it's real this time )

The only "info" involved there was put forth by Epignosis, and it seems like whatever he intended to do with that, has worked. There's no core element that can be erroneous in one of three ways, it's just baddie behaviour. I called him out on it during the MM lynch, and his reactions since then have only made me more confident.

And should you really chase so hard
The truth of sport plays rings around you

It's a constant fight
A constant fight
You're pushing the needle to the red
Black and white
Who knows who's right
No substitute you're born you're dead

rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.
That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.
Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

I think you and SVS are on a team.

If only you knew.

rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.
That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.

Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

They move fast, they tell me,
But I just can't believe they really mean to

rabbit8 wrote:I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

Think it over; time will heal your fear. Think it over.

LizKeen wrote:LOTS of people have thrown guff at Epi this game. Not sure why you are so sure it's you up for the frame.

Like I said I was being paranoid.

I just read all of your posts. You know what? The only person consistently in your suspect list is Vomp. And you never voted for him once. Not even when he was almost lynched. I know, I know, you voted early because you were in such fear for your life.

Like you pointed out, I voted early because it was either that or chance missing another vote and at that point I had no way of knowing how the lynch was going to go. The suspicion at that point seemed to be me or Zomberella so a vote on Vompatti wouldn't have made sense. If you look at the posts you 'll see I wasn't back that day before the vote. Given how many votes he got that day and that post he made yesterday I think it may be a very good thing he didn't get any more votes. It seems he actually wants them. And actually my suspect list hasn't changed much, if at all. My only problem is there's about 7 people on it and there's supposedly only 4 mafia left.

How do you know Juliets as Juliets Coffee? Did you play at RM or Lostpedia?
I did play at Lostpedia once or twice a long time ago. And I read a couple of games at RM but decided not to join. I think that name just got stuck in my head.

There is something bothering me after reading your posts, I have to read again and try to put the posts in context, and make them fit with your voting record.

Make them fit? Just to make me look bad?[/quote]

I see you

I see you though your eyes can tell lies I sympathize

When you've tried most everything and nothing's taking you higher
When you come to realize, you've been playing with fire
Hear me when I say to you, it's really down to your heart

It's the beginning of a new love in sight.
You've got the way to make it all happen.
Set it spinning turning roundabout.
Create a new dimension.
When we are winning we can stop and shout
Making love towards perfection.

Long Con wrote:It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

Don't surround yourself with yourself.

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