The Syndicate

Thanks llama. It felt good being on the winning side that didn't lose.

Two of those jackasses kept voting me, so whatevs.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I still can't believe you were the hooker, and that you had BTSC with Mac's Mom. Dead in there?

Quite Who'd ya think I was?

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I regret bullying real life friends into signing up for this, knowing full well that they would probably bail, but I was tired of waiting and I wanted to plaaaaaaayyyy!

I don't judge. You never know which real life friends will be real life Mafia friends, right nijuu?

I just assumed you were any of the possible remaining civilians. Your posts and your voting record rang true to me. You were the ONLY person in the game I trusted, and you turned out independent.

I just realized I was the ONLY civilian to win.

thellama73 wrote:I regret bullying real life friends into signing up for this, knowing full well that they would probably bail, but I was tired of waiting and I wanted to plaaaaaaayyyy!

I don't judge. You never know which real life friends will be real life Mafia friends, right nijuu?

I still can't believe you were the hooker, and that you had BTSC with Mac's Mom. Dead in there?

thellama73 wrote:Roxy was pretty lucky/skilled in using her borrowed Night Kill on one of the few remaining baddies.

I was careful not to leak the notion that MP was likely bad. When he was killed, I was sad. I have never been on a team with him, although I realized the timing would have been poor.

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I was really worried this game was unbalanced in favor of the baddies, what with their one tie kill immunity, double vote, and the Xtacles' auto-kill (you guys really should have lynched Saberfish early) so I am pleased to see that the civilians were able to grab a victory.

I thought it was utterly unbalanced.

The civilians had me.

Yeah, because you win so often as a civilian.

I'm pretty sure epi meant, it was unbalanced in favour of the baddies because the civilians had him weighing them down.

Purposeful ambiguity. To each his interpretation.

thellama73 wrote:I thought my idea of a contest that punishes the winner (LARPstock) was funny. I hope other people did too.

No, we did not find it amusing at all. I thought I was heading out the door when Roxy said she was going to vote me.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I was really worried this game was unbalanced in favor of the baddies, what with their one tie kill immunity, double vote, and the Xtacles' auto-kill (you guys really should have lynched Saberfish early) so I am pleased to see that the civilians were able to grab a victory.

I thought it was utterly unbalanced.

The civilians had me.

Yeah, because you win so often as a civilian.

Only if you host.

thellama73 wrote:I was really worried this game was unbalanced in favor of the baddies, what with their one tie kill immunity, double vote, and the Xtacles' auto-kill (you guys really should have lynched Saberfish early) so I am pleased to see that the civilians were able to grab a victory.

I thought it was utterly unbalanced.

The civilians had me.

thellama73 wrote:2. The Sisterhood of Chaos.
They were close on this one, but TinyyBubbles wasn't sending in her power. Otherwise they would have had it. They would have formed a LMS indy team with a kill, but Sinn would be allowed to continue chatting with the baddies and concealing her win condition from them. If Antagone was killed, Cody 2 would have avenged her by killing anyone who voted for her/NKed her.

That sounds amazing. I've been recruited away from a Mafia team before (twice, actually, both thanks to MP), so I was wondering how that would work.

MP found me. What would have happened if we became a team?

TinyBubbles--------------Val

Almost searched TinyBubbles once.

My first full game civilian win.

And NinjaBubz was my hooker.

Yes. I'm going to vote S~V~S.

She hasn't hunted Mafia. Hasn't. Her thing on spacedaisy made no sense and still doesn't. Her votes make no sense and still don't. She seems to be hiding rather than hunting.

Locking it in.

That thinking is square with me, Ninjabubz. I'm gonna think it over again and decide whether or not to join you.

sig wrote:Who did DW vote for last night

You mean DP?

He voted one time.

Question: Who would kill DisgruntledPorcupine?

If Saberfish is Killface, then Roxy has two votes, and he doesn't care about winning.

sig wrote:I think her day 6 vote was damning evidence. Why did SVS switch from Russ who she thought was mafia. She said it was since she wanted people to vote for him. This is a good excuse, but I'm not sure I believe it. I think SVS is Killer at this point, her not voting for Russ was strange the only logical reason would be to tie the vote and try to save Russ.

Day 5 is what is making me hesitant about who to vote for both Saber and SVS voted for Russ,
then Day 6 Saber didn't vote while SVS voted for Saber, why if Saber was mafia would he not vote on a crucial day?

Yeah, this could have been so much easier if one of them would have given us something more to work with on previous days. I'm still thinking though. I don't want to get this wrong.

^My day 6 red label for S~V~S should be white, I mean.

sig wrote:FOr Day 6 we didn't know if Russ was mafia so it would have been
KIllface: ?
Simon: Cookie
Phil: ?
Sinn: ?
Wednell: ika

In voting for Saber, SVS was attempting to save Russ/Phil from a lynch we would have mislynched Saber and we would have had 6 players after the night kill. 3 mafia and 3 civs.

We lynched Russ this leads me to think we had a tie and it was only luck that it went for Russ instead of Saber.

What are your thoughts on this and did I clear up the confusion?

Yes, that clears it up, which means my Day 6 "red" should be "white." Hmm.

sig wrote:It is a good show, season 3 was meh though.

Am I correct in saying we only have about an hour left in the phase?

58 minutes, correct. I am still for S~V~S or Saberfish and I need to decide between them.

Show over. Back.

And watching Orange is the New Black, full disclosure.

I know that Saberfish voted for Roxy just now.

As for your thoughts, sig, I'm thinking it over.

sig, there's either two Mafia left, or one. If there were three, the game would be over (KF = 2 +1 +1 vs 3).

I'll break it down:

KIllface: ?
Simon: Cookie
Phil: Russtifinko
Sinn: ?
Wednell: ika

I need you to get your head in the game if you are good.

sig, I'm confused:

"If this was their plan
we had 8 people ifSVS was Killer it would go like this
Day 6 Saber lynched flips civ, SVS confirmed Killer. We would be down to 6 lynched Saber/NK 4 we would have known Russ was the last mafia member and lynched him loosing the game for the mafia. It would have made more sense for a Killer SVS to lynch Russ"

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't understand it.

Also, how do you know Killface is alone?

sig wrote:Looking at day 6 I'm not sure SVS is Killer her vote would have tied the Saber/Russ this could have been devastating. She was one of the two suspected of being killer why risk being exposed if it resulted in Saber being lynched, this would have cleared saber of being Killer allowed us to Lynch SVS next phase, then Russ the one after. This seems very risky especially considering she went after Russ so much, and the pay off seems weak.
If this was their plan
we had 8 people ifSVS was Killer it would go like this
Day 6 Saber lynched flips civ, SVS confirmed Killer. We would be down to 6 lynched Saber/NK 4 we would have known Russ was the last mafia member and lynched him loosing the game for the mafia. It would have made more sense for a Killer SVS to lynch Russ

On the flip side she targeted Russ so much yet didn't vote for him this seems weird to me. Not the behavior of Killer though.

Is SVS the type to not vote for a mafia member no matter what or will she vote for the benefit of the team?

Saber didn't vote, was this to avoid attention, as he is Killer or was he just AFK?

Ike was new to the forum as well correct? This could explain why he killed who he did, but why would Killer continue with the random kills? This seems like something a new mafia would do, hence Saberfish who is also new to the game.
Saber also hinted to have been an Xtycles seeing how he didn't blow up this was a lie. I think out of the two SVS or Saber, Saber is more likely to be Killer.

Would we be made aware in the night results if the Sisterhood of Chaos formed or would that not appear?

I'm thinking about your points.

S~V~S wrote:Right. We got the baddie, so the people that voted for the baddie have to be the baddie. OK.

S~V~S wrote:Yes I must be a baddie. I relentlessly tried to get Russti lynched. And he was bad. Yeah, it was a plot. :roll:

Sarcastic dismissal. You don't engage any of my ideas, therefore, it's dismissal. My basic command of English tells me that both of these posts were sarcastic. Thus: Sarcastic dismissal.

And I didn't call anyone stupid. I was playing a role, per the host's instructions.

S~V~S wrote:But you can make 100 charts and be wrong.

Yep. You can. You can also guess and be right.

Votes pointing toward KF in red.

Sig

Sig missed the first vote.
Sig voted out of the way when Cookie was lynched.
Sig voted Made when Made got lynched.
Sig missed the fourth vote.
Sig voted for Saberfish when Russ (Phil) presumably got lynched and survived. If Sig were Killface, that would have made Saberfish get lynched.
Sig voted Saberfish again when Russ (Phil) got lynched and did not survive. If Sig were Killface, that would have tied it up.

Summary: Sig's early votes look bad, but his last two pretty much clear him.

++++

S~V~S

S~V~S votes MM. MM gets lynched.
S~V~S votes spacedaisy (Phil) based on a handful of posts (and things I still maintain didn't actually happen, like SD "flipping" on MP.
S~V~S votes nijuukyugou when she actually suspected spacedaisy, but Made and Roxy were close together.
S~V~S misses the vote.
S~V~S voted for Russ (Phil) on the day he presumably got lynched and survived. Russ had 3 votes to Saberfish's 4.
S~V~S voted Saberfish despite not being suspicious of him to make people want to vote Russ, but Russ got lynched 4 votes to Saberfish's 3.

++++

Saberfish

Saberfish votes Mac's Mom out of the main vote-getters and for a vague reason.
Saberfish votes Cookie late.
Saberfish votes Made, who gets lynched.
Saberfish misses the vote.
Saberfish votes Russ, when Russ was a vote shy of getting lynched but apparently did anyway (and survived).
Saberfish votes Russ again, and Russ is actually lynched.

++++

That's the voting breakdown. I used red to indicate votes that, to me, indicate Killface.

S~V~S wrote:Yes I must be a baddie. I relentlessly tried to get Russti lynched. And he was bad. Yeah, it was a plot. :roll:

Have I said you MUST be? I said you could be. Yes, it could be a plot.

Excuse me for actually playing the game and not treating others with sarcastic dismissal.

I have to look again at S~V~S and Saberfish. I'll examine sig again for the sake of completeness, but I'm fairly sure my vote is going to one of the former two.

Roxy wrote:I would never kill Eloh N 1 either. You should know this in your dark mafia heart.

I did that to see your reaction. It was a no u and you know you are wrong.

Do you think SVS would kill Eloh N 1? How about Saberfish?

I don't know what was a "no u" and how I know I am wrong. I'm pretty sure you're not civilian. Your own wording belies that idea, and I called you out last week for it.

But I'm not here to lynch independents. I'd like to believe that the Roxy who said she was trying her damnedest to help the town is still that same Roxy.

Your last questions there are two I've been rolling around with upstairs in the old noodle. Yes, I could see either killing Eloh Night 1. S~V~S basically admits she would in the posts below.

I'm pretty close to believing S~V~S is Killface. The evidence adds up for me, but I want to wait and listen first.

S~V~S wrote:Why the hell are we talking about who would kill who on night one? I thought it was fairly established that any of us would kill any of us night one, or what ever night, and that is how it should be?

I have to catch up.

Because somebody has to talk about something and all of these things are good things to talk about.

And no. None of that is firmly established. Because I don't kill Eloh Night 1. I said that a long time ago.

Epignosis wrote:I would have killed Eloh one time had I gotten the power to do so, and that was only because she signed up to play a game to get it rolling. Instead I tried to lynch her and ended up dying myself. Super. Author's note: This was Flash Mafia.

Outside of that anomaly, I leave her alone. I like her to have fun.

Long Con said he wouldn't kill her Night 1. I believe him on that.

"Who killed Elohcin?" is the central question, because this has never happened before on Night 1.

That's a fun mystery for me to solve.

S~V~S wrote:Also based on a quick read back, if you are unwilling/able to kill someone on any particular day, you shouldn't be playing Mafia. Just saying. That kinda defeats the point.

Then I guess I shouldn't be playing Mafia. Because there are certain people I don't kill Night 1. Ever. My wife is one of those.

Also, I would never kill Eloh Night 1. Just ain't gonna happen.

Roxy wrote:My spidey sense tells me Epi is a prime candidate for Killface.

I was afraid you might say this.

Very well- it's how the game is played.

Roxy wrote:He has been on a kick to get Killface all game

How does this make me a prime candidate for Killface? I am going for the only member of the Mafia who has a liability- a vote worth two. That provides a trail of data in the voting records that Killface cannot hide from without getting super lucky with Old Spice or Mr. Ford. This appeals to me, especially since I played Breaking Bad on RM as Gus Fring, and my vote was worth three. You can imagine how troublesome that was, although I think I fared well all things considered.

Roxy wrote:He has no prob crushing his teammates under his bus wheels

How does this make me a prime candidate for Killface? I find that I am far more reluctant to do this than your wording ("no prob") implies. In my memory, I have only gone out of my way to get a teammate lynched once, and that was in Guess Who?- it worked then because I did it right and I had never done it before.

Roxy wrote:His votes are no better or worse than anyone elses

How does this make me a prime candidate for Killface? If my votes are no better or worse than anyone else's, then we're all equally likely to be Killface?

And I don't agree with your premise. I helped lynch two of three dead Mafia. I'd say my votes look pretty damn good. More on those votes in a minute.

Roxy wrote:I also thought Bloop bc her vote choice in a poll was the one who died on Day 4.

This is kind of funny given your observation above about my votes and that I'm the "prime candidate for Killface."

Roxy wrote:So I am leaning heavily in Epi's direction.

I hope you lean elsewhere, given that I tried to make people laugh with my Arte Johnson impersonation, even though people ended up thinking I was seriously insulting people or ignoring them on purpose, and then having a +1 vote handicap to show for his troubles.

If you think I am Killface, then you think my vote must be worth 2.

Behold, then, my votes:

Day 1: I voted Cookie (who was bad). She had two votes. My vote would have put her at three, tied with MM (a civilian whom you voted for), Sig and Long Con.

If you think I'm Killface, then this means you think I would have tried to throw my teammate under the bus Day 1 while possibly outing myself if Cookie got lynched with only two votes.

That would be veddy interesting, but stupid.

++++

Day 2: I led the lynch on Cookie. If I am Killface, this means I pressed my fake suspicion of Cookie to get her lynched. That's fair, considering that backing off at that point was going to be hard to do.

++++

Day 3: I voted Roxy. It was 5-4 for Made. If I were Killface, then I could have waited to vote instead of voting second overall, risking that I would be found out with such a close vote. It would mean that I most likely caused a tie between Made and Roxy and got lucky that Made got lynched instead.

Made
5
G-Man (6), Roxy (9), sig (10), Saberfish (11), HamburgerBoy (14) 31%

Roxy
4
Epignosis (4), Made (5), MovingPictures07 (7), nijuukyugou (8) 25%

++++

Day 4: Only four people voted, making it a four-way tie. I voted HamburgerBoy.

If I am Killface, then the person I voted for should have died.

If you believe I have "no prob crushing his teammates under his bus wheels," as Roxy attests, then why risk getting Hambugerboy (a civilian) lynched when I could have waited and hoped on with nijuukyugou to lynch ika. Bingo. My vote stays hidden.

No, I don't think Killface voted at all Day 4. Because it wasn't Hamburgerboy or G-Man, and the person nijuukyugou voted was Wendell. If ninjabubz is Killface, then I think she's played admirably. But I don't think she is, because Elohcin died Night 1, and I don't think she would do that (as well as some other things I pointed out that I don't believe).

Thus, Killface didn't vote Day 4.

++++

Day 5: Another close vote. This time no one gets lynched.

Russtifinko
3
S~V~S (2), Epignosis (5), Saberfish (13) 21%

Saberfish
4
sig (6), nijuukyugou (10), Roxy (11), Russtifinko (12) 29%

Russti, I believe, took the lynch and used up his protection. That means there was a tie, 4-4. That means either S~V~S or Saberfish is Killface unless Old Spice or Mr. Ford were involved. Neither S~V~S nor Saberfish voted Day 4, which fits that theory.

Looking at this one snapshot in isolation, I could be Killface if Russ took 4 votes, as I think he did (and it would mean I'd be back to throwing teammates under the bus after taking a day off from that Day 4). However, it doesn't fit the rest of the data.

++++

Day 6: Another close vote, this time in the opposite direction.

Russtifinko
4
Roxy (7), DisgruntledPorcupine (8), nijuukyugou (9), Epignosis (11) 36%
Saberfish
3
sig (3), Russtifinko (5), S~V~S (6) 27%

Here, Russ actually does get lynched with four votes.

Saberfish doesn't vote.

S~V~S does, but she votes for a person she says she doesn't suspect to make us listen to her about Russ. I still don't understand how that would work.

++++

I think my voting record clears me from being Killface.

You know what else I think?

I don't think Roxy is a civilian.

Roxy wrote:Epi - you knew she hated being mafia. I could see you bus her but I do agree it is more likely you would have helped her.
I guess you think I am a shitty player that could offer her no advice or help her in anyway if I had bts with her. That I would have let her flop around without help while helping to drive her lynch.

Now Roxy claims that

Roxy wrote:He has no prob crushing his teammates under his bus wheels

Can't be both.

Consider the phrasing of these two statements:

Roxy wrote:And yep I am defensive bc I am civ

Day 3, when it looked like Roxy might be lynched, she said this:

Roxy wrote:And I am really trying my damnest to help the town this game.

Trying to "help the town this game." That's not something a civilian would say on her way out the door.

That's because Roxy isn't a civilian. She's an independent- one who needs some more civilians dead in order to secure her win condition. Why else point the finger at me, and, to a lesser extent, nijuukyugou, but not breath a word about S~V~S or Saberfish despite voting records that indicate Killface?

Either that, or she herself is bad. After all:

Roxy wrote:And I am really trying my damnest to help the town this game.

Roxy wrote:but baddies help civ's all the time.

I see I missed a question directed toward me.

Roxy wrote:Also Epi why did you ruin the tie? Does not make any sense since you claim to want to figure out who Killface is.

I don't have a great defense for this. When I see a tie, I instinctively think, "Hoo boy, here's my chance!" Plus I spent most of Dom's game breaking ties. I wasn't even thinking about my own proposal.

I was a dog that found a hydrant.



I am fine with how I voted though.

nijuukyugou wrote:Oh, I see - you're looking at Russti voters.

It has to be a Russti voter that Day, and I'm calling NOT IT.

Russtifinko
4
Roxy (7), DisgruntledPorcupine (8), nijuukyugou (9), Epignosis (11) 36%
Saberfish
3
sig (3), Russtifinko (5), S~V~S (6) 27%

++++

Saberfish missed the vote here. Russti was lynched as Phil (could have been Dry Cleaner though- something to think about).

DP DID vote here, and was killed. Not Killface.

I'm not Killface.

I highly doubt nijuukyuguo is Killface.

Roxy could be.

++++

Let's go back and look at the lynch where no one died:

Russtifinko
3
S~V~S (2), Epignosis (5), Saberfish (13) 21%
Saberfish
4
sig (6), nijuukyugou (10), Roxy (11), Russtifinko (12) 29%

++++

Russti was Phil. Russti survived the lynch.

Either S~V~S or Saberish is Killface. It can't be anyone else, unless Old Spice radishes were involved.

++++

S~V~S went after spacedaisy early for (in my opinion) no good reason and bagged Phil. That would be a long con, and one I don't think she would make.

++++

That leaves Saberface as Killfish. Like I said a long time ago.

++++

However, S~V~S has claimed that Saberfish is not bad. That is something also to consider.

I like that. I'm going to start calling you Ninjabubz.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Where's your head today, ninjabubz?

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Also, I'm tattling. Nijuu was role-playing too- as one of my dumb ass students.

What? Why, I never! I'm not even a Sagittarius

Veddy interesting...

...and really fucking stupid.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Also, I'm tattling. Nijuu was role-playing too- as one of my dumb ass students.

Yeah, but hers was pretty weak compared to yours.

I do the best and still get the booby prize.

Kind of like real life.

I like it.

Also, has no ever heard of Arte Johnson?

Also, I'm tattling. Nijuu was role-playing too- as one of my dumb ass students.

Buh...but...THAT'S NOT HOW YOU TELL A JOKE, JACK.

Hrumph.

Roxy wrote:Dear Epi -

Roxy wrote:Also Epi why did you ruin the tie? Does not make any sense since you claim to want to figure out who Killface is.

Thank you in advance for your prompt response

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU TELL A JOKE!

This is how you tell a joke.

A woman and her baby are on a bus. A man gets on the bus and says to the lady, "Ma'am, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that's got to be the ugliest baby I've ever seen." The woman is understandably upset at this, and begins crying so loudly that the bus driver stops and puts her off.

While she's still sobbing on the bench, another man comes and sits down. He asks her what's the matter, and she says, "WHAAAAAAAAAAAA! WHAAAAAAAAAAA!" So the man gets an idea. He leaves and comes back with something for the lady to drink. "Listen lady," the fella says. "Take this brandy. It'll calm you down, and then you can tell me what's wrong. And look! I even brought a banana for the monkey."

And that's how you tell a joke, Jack.

Look what I can do!