The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:I would like to see a cross-game tally of players' likelihood to get nightkilled by baddies or mislynched in the earliest stages of the game. Any statistical-type folk out there want to tackle it?

I don't think I need I need statistics for that. Status: High.

Glorfindel wrote: It disappoints me no end though that you of all people thought I was bad. I thought you demonstrated some capacity to 'read' me but sadly, it appears that I was wrong...

The civilian that gathered me killed you just when I started suspecting you. I took it for a sign from the Pikmin god.

Glorfindel wrote:It was definitely a fun game - thank you MP for hosting it. Looking at the wrap up it looked like a crap load of work!

Congratulations to MM, FZ and K4J - you clearly had the Town in confusion all game and were worthy winners!

Thank you to everyone who played and contributed to what was a really good game.

There are two comments however that I'd like to make in respect of the game:

Firstly, after Night 2 I got a message from Capt Ollimar who signed it off with; "To anyone reading this journal... I wish them well and I think they are beautiful!!!" I reasoned at the time (somewhat naively) that Spacedaisy was Capt. Ollimar. SD, after that, you started doing and saying things that I felt conflicted with that assumption and that is when I started to waver a little in my opinion of you as a member of the Town. Clearly, the message here for me is that you alone do not have a monopoly on being complimentary and generally a simply lovely human being. My sincerest apologies to Dr Wilgy for selling you short.

Secondly, I really struggled to comprehend why any of you thought I was Mafia... The way I behaved in this game is classic 'Town Me' so if you doubt my sincerity, I think it will cause a problem at some point. Especially, I didn't get Typhoony. You KNEW there was someone out there who knew your identity. Early on when a number of people started voicing their suspicion of you, I'd not have thought it a big stretch for you to reason that someone who might defend you (or at least deflect the suspicions of others - as I did) just might have been Alph. In any case, it's a good thing you were eliminated by the Mafia when you were - if I'd had to read one more post where you were defaming me for likely having been 'bad', you'd have been hearing from my lawyers!

But YOU were Alph. Why didn't you defend Typh even a little to help us out? (Addemdum: Where?)

And fucking hell, DrWilgy, that's what you sent in your journal? Jesus.

Glorfindel wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).
I used the first one. I admit it wasn't a very well thought of move. But I didn't think people would try to use it to lynch you so fast, so I tried to fix the mistake by hinting at you having a post restriction a few times.

I need to check to see who did it the second time. I got a second fruit myself, but by that point I had already noticed the item was shit.

It was kind of hard to resist, though. Damn MP for distributing that stuff like candy.
It was Glorfindel the second time. :P
I just want to point out here Epi that prior to the end of that night kill (when I got killed) I had no intention to use the gaggle juice at all. I was also fairly convinced that you were Town at that point but you hurt my feelings with your comments after night end and I regrettably succumbed to my less mature impulses - I'm sorry

I like that you are a nice fellow, I really do. I'm also a nice fellow. Anyone who knows me in real life can attest to that. I'm quiet, and I let people have their way.

But my advice to you is that Mafia isn't a game of feelings. When done right, it's a game of calculation and logic. I will become absolutely nasty in Mafia. It's a place where I can lie and scheme and plot and not feel bad doing those things morally.

I was sold you were bad when Brit killed you.

Why didn't you speak up for Typhoony? Lord, man, you would have shown us you were Alph and I never would've pulled my Mafia views from your posts.

Scotty wrote:Woosh! Good game baddies! I'm glad I was lynched when i was, because FZ and MM were not on my radar at all. I would have tunneled on Epi and Simon til the end, and we probably would have lost sooner.

To piggyback on DDL, I agree that I can't remember the last time I saw civs win on this site. Are we just really bad?

Also MP awesome mechanics. I love the RPG element of these games, and I feel like it would be very fun as a protagonist. It's given me some cool ideas about other functions in these Mafia games.

Stop suspecting me and you'll win more.

Think about this for a second: FZ. was the ONLY person to trust me fully the whole way through, citing credible reasons (I hinted at Rock Pikmin, I wouldn't bus my kid), and NOBODY else trusted me for those reasons. Only Mafia did.

FZ. was MVP in my opinion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I actually think civs were OP in this game, tbh. I've never seen a game have 6 mislynches in a row before.

It's just that baddies play a lot better than civs in this site, for some reason.

The civilians could have crushed this but we 1) Trusted the wrong people, 2) Didn't show up, 3) Didn't leave clues. I agree with DDL that this was imbalanced in favor of the civilians- and we blew it anyway.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).
I don't either. Waste of a pikmin if you ask me
The juicy gaggle was a free action. There was nothing to lose for using it, mechanically. And MP would periodically remind us that we still had it in our inventories.

It kept me from posting normally for 72 hours.

Unless zeek runs his Marvel game next in the full queue, I'll be taking a break from playing.

I've literally lost all contests today. Football was utter shit. I don't see why Mafia should be any different.

I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Dammit. Dammit. Dammit.

Should have trusted your alcohol induced frustration Epi.

Why did you have BTSC Epi?
Typhoony was Charlie and got a thing from a cave or some damn thing.
who did you have SD pegged as? How close were you in your spreadsheet?

linki: Wow, cool treasures!! How many did they get? My favourites were the jokes. I really enjoyed your stories Epi. Yours too MM?

Purple Pikmin. I was right about her. I don't know why she would tell me I KNEW she was good though. And I can't imagine why she would say she knew Boomslang wasn't bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Good game Spacedaisy and Epignosis, and the rest of you civs. You had us reeling a couple night periods, especially when not much was happening early on in the game.

I think the crucial faulty angle was accepting that Glorfindel was bad and going from there. I trusted you Brit!

Brit gathered me first, then fed me. Typh gathered me second and then sexually molested me.

FZ. wrote:Since I made so many mistakes as a civ in the last few games, every time I led a civvie lynch, it just felt like a natural continuation

linki: thanks SD! I was finally a baddie here. Now people can know how I really play as a baddie
And wow, that's impressive

I DID mention that to Typhoony.

"I wish to God she's shut up about how bad she's doing."

I had a completely stupid reason for trusting you early on. You said you hadn't realized the game had started. I ran with that to mean that you had no team.

Hey, it's worked before!

Spacedaisy wrote:Dammit. Dammit. Dammit.

Should have trusted your alcohol induced frustration Epi.

Why did you have BTSC Epi?

Typhoony was Charlie and got a thing from a cave or some damn thing.

Nice job FZ. Typhoony and I had already said in BTSC that if you were bad, we were okay with you winning. Thanks for playing the game.

FZ. wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:frankly, I don't care about your opinion of me, I'm not out to win you trust. I'm trying to figure out who I should not be trusting. And didn't Alex's answer make it pretty clear that while that was his original intention he has gone easy on the participation, in other words he has allowed team PMs after all...
Yeah, but even as it is, it makes no sense that Simon could still win this, because MP said he couldn't, so what would be the point now to keep him alive? The game should end. Which means, he isn't the last baddie. Or I'm misunderstanding something

Bingo.

Spacedaisy wrote:frankly, I don't care about your opinion of me, I'm not out to win you trust. I'm trying to figure out who I should not be trusting. And didn't Alex's answer make it pretty clear that while that was his original intention he has gone easy on the participation, in other words he has allowed team PMs after all...

You're bad. I will vote for you if I live.

Simon isn't the Phreakbat.

He hasn't logged in since a week ago.

There isn't a team kill. There's a kill that someone has to use.

I think I have narrowed down the kid's role. It ain't a bad one.

Am I the only one keeping a spreadsheet? Do you think at this stage of the game I sold out MM to protect Simon?

Did it occur to you that MM called Simon the Burrow Snagret?

Y'all need Jesus.

Spacedaisy wrote:If you were sitting in my living room hearing me rant to my husband about how I will kill Epi the next time I have a NK ability if he is bad and has fooled me into thinking he is civ, you would realize it sounds like someone who is seriously worried that someone she has trusted the who.e game may have just pulled the wool over her eyes.

Epi I think you are wrong, read the boss roles, at one point he says in the snagrat description that if this role chooses to carry out the boss kill...

But we're not in your living room hearing any of that, and he won't confirm or deny. That doesn't play into my opinion of you.

Spacedaisy wrote:A team kill is not the same as a role ability.

I don't agree. The roles are quite specific regarding the mechanics. It isn't a "team kill." It's a kill that affects other aspects of the Mafia's roles.

Spacedaisy wrote:Alex, do you allow team PMs to be sent in or does the boss that killed in the post represent the player who sent in the kill?

6. All role power PMs must be sent in by the player utilizing the power. No relying on BTSCmates (if you have any) to send in your power.

FZ. wrote:OMG, I don't know whether to be happy that we finally got one, or to be pissed that there's still another one alive.
Epi, are you sure Simon wouldn't just send in kills? This seems weird

If they had two, why not use all their votes?
This doesn't make sense

Simon hasn't logged in for a week. He's not sending in kills.

I should be happy with that, but

FZ. wrote:
But if he has 3 votes and the fog, you're still a gonner. Let's hope that's not the case.

Not necessarily.

FZ. wrote:did I make it on time?

You did.

Crossing my dangly bits.

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi I swear I am going to kill you if you have fooled me.

That's more like it.

FZ.?

I've trusted you the whole way, and by my calculation, we'll need the whole battalion.

FZ. wrote:Epi, you have a point about MM. I'll wait to hear what SD has to say and make my decision. Real shame Simon isn't here

Like I said, I'll be having a talk with him about this. It's embarrassing to me.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If I'm right about everything else in my spreadsheet, FZ. has to be the lone Mafia.

I realize that comes out of left field.
Oh really Epi?

Epignosis wrote:
Typhoony wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If I'm right about everything else in my spreadsheet, FZ. has to be the lone Mafia.

I realize that comes out of left field.
Isn't this highly unlikely?

Let's look at the deaths:
Zebra: Pikmin
Sig: Pikmin
Sorsha: Pikmin
Scotty: Pikmin
Enrique + Soneji: Civvies
Matt: Pikmin
DDL: Civvie
Glorfindel: Likely bad
K4J: . From his posts I'd say civ, but it's possible he was bad I guess.
Boomslang: Pikmin
Wilgy: Civ
Agleaminranks: Pikmin

That leaves at a maximum: 5 civs, 2 baddies. Where K4J is the big question mark. If he was civ, we have 2 baddies left. If he was bad, we have 1 left.
Why do you think FZ is the lone mafia Epi?
Alcohol-induced frustration.

Are you really trying to figure out who is bad, or are you just looking for a lame reason to vote me?

I went ahead and voted MetalMarsh. Glorfindel was likely bad, and MM couldn't explain why Glorfindel named him so highly on his list without suggesting that Glorfindel knew MM's role. That's a soft Charlie claim. His proposition that Simon is the Snagret is out of left field and isn't backed up by anything.

Lame endgame civilians. Lame.

FZ. wrote:Epi, do you think there's a chance both of them are bad?

There's always a chance, but I don't think there's two Mafia left.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:FZ: Yeah well I felt the same thing about you and him and only slightly less confident about MM. Now here we are.

Linki @ Epi: real life took precedence, it is what it is. And I am good. You know that.
I don't know that. If I did, I would vote MM and be done with it.

So you now feel like FZ is civ?

I've believed that from the beginning.

FZ. wrote:MM, get your ass back here right now, mister
If by any chance you're good, you might lose us this game

I don't think he is. I've laid out substantial reasons why I think he's the Phosbat. I think he voted me Day 6 to get me out of the game easy, but didn't anticipate some other workings in the mix.

I think if spacedaisy were the Phosbat, she wouldn't have missed the vote Day 6. MM just gave a lame reason for voting and is voting now for no reason.

Spacedaisy wrote:FZ: Yeah well I felt the same thing about you and him and only slightly less confident about MM. Now here we are.

Linki @ Epi: real life took precedence, it is what it is. And I am good. You know that.

I don't know that. If I did, I would vote MM and be done with it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting Epignosis.

I've had real shit timing this game. I may be back before the deadline.

Gotta save yourself again?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: I'm not Charlie.

How would Glorfindel know your role then?

Spacedaisy wrote:The worst part of this is that outside of Simon I have felt like you three were the ones I suspected the least. Now I am in end game and I feel certain that at least one of you has fooled me.

If you are good, then one of us has fooled you.

It isn't helpful that we've had extra time and you show up moments before the lynch is over and start saying empty things like this.

Spacedaisy wrote:Also, there is the possibility of there actually being 2 baddies remaining, if I'm not mistaken. I'm a little concerned by Epi driving the direction of this conversation and feeling really tin foil at the moment. I don't trust any of you.

Linki: Epi said it, not me. I was saying if this was true you should be lynched.

Oh, you're concerned by me driving the direction of this conversation? It's pretty hard avoiding that when it's only been FZ. and me to do the talking.

Three hours.

FZ. wrote:But if what you're saying about MM is true, than why weren't you lynched that day?

I'll be back in a few hours.

Oh, let's just say there was someone looking out for little old me.

FZ. wrote:Epi, is Simon planning on every posting or voting, or has he just dropped the game?

I would be surprised if we heard from him.

After this is over, I will have a fatherly discussion with him about flaking on things he agrees to do.

agleaminranks
3
Epignosis (13), Typhoony (14), FZ. (15) 20%

Epignosis
2
agleaminranks (10), Metalmarsh89 (12) 13%

In the last lynch, I believe the Phosbat expected me to go down, so it must have been surprising that I survived.

MetalMarsh voted me for "self-preservation" when he had one vote from Typhoony (which Typhoony had placed only to get MM to talk). Such caution, I think, only makes sense if you are Pikmin.

But MM acknowledges this only possible reason Glorfindel had him in the "Strong Town" section of his list:

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.
What's the reason?
That he knew my role.

I guess it's not a bad assumption that the Snagrat has been killed, but I don't think it's guaranteed.
I see one way listed on the front page for a civilian to know another civilian's role.

From my notes, you can't have that role.

Strike 1.

Based on what is listed on the front, MM seems to suggest that he's Charlie and that Glorfindel was Alph, which I don't believe is possible- I don't believe for a moment MM is a protagonist. In addition, it suggests that MM should not have had a bout of paranoia over one (temporary) vote from Typhoony.

In conclusion, I don't buy that MM voted me for self-preservation. I believe it was a convenient excuse to stack a +3 vote on me and remove me from the game, and then do a 1-2 punch on agleaminranks next. I believe he fully expected me to be lynched.

Finally, none of MM's claims today make any sense: Glorf (the closest thing to confirmed Mafia we have) had him as a strong civilian without having mentioned him in any capacity, so it must have been because Glorf knew his role? Simon is the Burrowing Snagret without any evidence suggesting such a thing? Please.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Typhoony wrote:MP: Simon hasn't posted (or been online for that matter) in nearly 5 days. Has he notified you of this or what's up with that?
He has not.

He will not be able to win with his faction.

Additionally, even if Simon were the Snagret, lynching him would be pointless at this stage. The Phosbat, with its increasing vote, needs to go today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's a proposition: Simon is the Burrowing Snagret.

Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, what are your current thoughts on Simon? I'm concerned by the fact that once the storm blew over from the first couple days we have heard nothing from him at all. It worries me that he might be trying to avoid making anymore mistakes and letting his teammates take the lead. Where do you stand on Simon now?
Any more mistakes? The kid said he was on a team with sig and nobody really lifted a finger. He could burn a church down and most of the people here would go, "Aw, isn't he cute?"

No, I don't think he's bad.

First, I would expect him to be more involved if he had BTSC and a team depending on him. Second, my initial suspicion was predicated on him being sig's teammate, which isn't the case. Third, when Simon took votes and sig got lynched, I didn't detect a move to throw him under the bus or one to save him (sig got lynched by landslide). Fourth, Simon said, "I voted for boomslang. I might win because I haven't gotten lynched yet." Simon has never played a game where civilians win dead or alive, and thus this would be a strange thing for him to say if he were bad and knew he would win dead or alive if his team did. Fifth, Simon had his vote on me at one point, and then changed it to Scotty: If he were bad, what reason would he have to switch like that for, as he put it, "No reason. " and then not turn around and try to lynch me?

All of this points to Simon being good.

Strike 2.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.
What's the reason?
That he knew my role.

I guess it's not a bad assumption that the Snagrat has been killed, but I don't think it's guaranteed.

I see one way listed on the front page for a civilian to know another civilian's role.

From my notes, you can't have that role.

Strike 1.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can only think of one reason that Glorf would have me as a strong town read, but that would make him not a Boss.

What's the reason?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Is there really no more posting with less than an hour before the deadline?

I hope lynching gleam ends this thing.
Considering the revealed roles, why did you think that there is only one mafia left?

Why did?

I still do.

Snagret isn't killing- only Phosbat is. The Wraith could still be alive, but k4j got killed by a bomb rock, which "can also be used to defeat enemies, and are particularly useful for doing so with bosses."

Using the premise that Glorfindel was bad:

Glorfindel wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Greetings, All Yes, I have come back to y'all! Following my departure from Star Wars a number of you messaged me and for those of you who did, I am indebted to you for your kindness to me I'm more than happy to support MPs game (despite seriously not having the first clue about this theme...) and I will endeavour to do my best.

As far as the cutest Pimkin is concerned I think it comes down to either blue or yellow (that white one is frankly just frightening LOL!). I've always considered the ability to truly listen to be ultimately more important than the ability to speak so I'm going to cast my vote for Yellow Pimkin

So glad to get to play with you!

Also, I forgot to mention my opinion of the white pikmin. Because frankly it is creepy. Those red eyes.... Ew.
The feeling is mutual, my friend

Friendly banter.

Glorfindel wrote:Spacedaisy just seems nice (not unlike I'd imagine a yellow Pikmin to be ) so I don't expect I'll be voting for her anytime soon.

Says daisy seems nice and has no plans of voting her.

Glorfindel wrote:
Enrique wrote:
FZ. wrote:I love that Matt has all the mafia figured out.
I always wanted to play a game where everyone names who they think the mafia members are on the first day, based on gut feeling of day 0 or day 1, and then we look at the list at the end of the game and see who's intuition we should rely on in the future.
For the fun of it.

Glorfindel
Matt
sig
Four posts in almost 48 hours and the justification for his vote on me is "For the fun of it"? This was followed by Matt inviting Boomslang to join in on a vote on me and after being challenged by Spacedaisy, Matt changes his vote TO Boomslang. I don't like what I'm seeing here and I'm wondering if this exchange was an indication of something more sinister? I may change my vote later but for now, I'm prepared to vote for Enrique. I think that if he should turn out to be Mafia, it may give us something more to work with.

spacedaisy defended Glorfindel.

In clarifying her defense, spacedaisy says:

Spacedaisy wrote:
Matt wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Matt wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?
Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!
I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?
Been there done that. I make up huge cases, they subsequently get ignored.

Spacedaisy, is there a reason you do not want to lynch Glorfindel? I'm beginning to think your readiness to lynch an 8 year old yet your continuing momma bearing of Glorfindel is suspish.
I don't not want to lynch Glorfindel. I didn't want to lynch him Day 1 for no reason considering how his last game went for him. What I do want is to understand why you have drawn the conclusion he must be bad. I'm all for voting someone who might be bad, including Glorfindel. Asking for an explanation does not equal defending him. I want to hear your case, but you aren't really giving me one and I don't understand your reluctance to explain to me what it is I must be missing that you say is as simple as 2+2=4.

Shortly after, Glorfindel answers spacedaisy for Matt:

Glorfindel wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?
He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

Glorfindel wrote:Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

This is such a schmaltzy post riddled with buddying, one that goes so far as to put's Glorfindel's appraisal of spacedaisy's intelligence on the line.

Glorfindel wrote:
Matt wrote:Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.
There is a chance you could very well be right there Matt but I'm sufficiently confident in my instincts and ability to read people to stand by what I have said already on the public record about Spacedaisy.

And you're right, this is a truly intriguing game...

Glorf stands by his instincts and ability to read people.

The funny thing here is that if spacedaisy is good, Matt had the alignments backwards.

++++

On Day 4, Glorfindel blesses us with a list.

Glorfindel wrote:OK, trying to look at this logically, there are 13 players left in the game. 3 of these are 'Bosses', 4 are Protagonists leaving the remaining six of us as Pikmin (and in the scheme of things, that's not a lot of Pikmin...). Using my personal opinion (based on my observations and gut reads) as a means for a process of elimination, this is where I think we are:

Strong Town reads:
Dragon D. Luffy
Glorfindel (Me )
Metalmars89

Town reads:
Epignosis
Kneel4justice
Matt
Typhoony

Town lean reads:
Simon
Spacedaisy

Which leaves only 4 players from which I think we will find our Bosses:
Agleaminranks
Boomslang
Dr Wilgy and
FZ

For the time being, I'm voting for FZ but I think there is a very high likelihood that Dr Wilgy and Boomslang are Mafia.

Thoughts, anyone?

Why is MetalMarsh89 in that top category? At no point ever (except Day 1 here) did Glorfindel interact or comment on MetalMarsh.

Glorfindel wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Also, if you are civ, why do you put DDL as your top civ read. You are more sure of him than you Ate of yourself?
Because I created those lists in alphabetical order as the appear in the poll at the top of the page perhaps and the last time I looked, 'D' comes before 'G'...?

spacedaisy has a chuckle about Glorf's alphabetized list.

Glorfindel wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Glorfindel, not that long ago you were saying I add your most town read, what has changed to stop me down to nearly off the list entirely? I'm not the bottom of your town lean reads. I'm curious about this as well as the fact that Matt went from suspecting you to telling people to follow your vote... That is not normal. It makes me think he was either distancing from you before or budding up to you now.
My most recent reads revolve around Matt as their focal point. I've seen him move from bafoonery (which seems to be his modus operandi early in games of Mafia while he is trying to find his feet) to attempts at genuine engagement and analysis. This is still very much a 'gut read' but if I'm right, there is something awfully fishy about his wagon. Indeed you were my strongest Town read earlier but now your focusing on Matt... I don't know. If the lynch on Matt goes ahead, the result will for me, solidify a lot of my reads and if were indeed Mafia, you'd be right back at the top of the list... In the appropriate alphabetical order of course

Glorfindel explains his waning confidence in spacedaisy's goodness as being the result of spacedaisy's focus on Matt.

Glorfindel wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that's a reasonable answer. Your vote is interesting. You Ate saying there seems to be a wagon don't on but instead of voting somewhere that makes a difference you are throwing your vote off.
I'm throwing my vote precisely where I think it should be. Given a lot of other players have expressed their concerns over Dr Wigly this isn't too far a stretch. That Matt wagon is looking worse by the minute...

spacedaisy approves of his response as reasonable but questions his vote.

It was at this point that the lynch ended and I called Glorfindel bad and then Brit killed Glorfindel.

According to my spreadsheet, Metalmarsh cannot be a protagonist, but could be a red Pikmin.

spacedaisy could be a purple Pikmin or Olimar, but not Alph.

I think I have Simon narrowed down and he isn't bad (though he's grounded for not playing, the little twit. I can't blame him. He did get a bunch of presents and a Wii U with Smash Bros., so I'm sure the host gets it).

If the Phosbat is alone, then it has a vote worth 3.

I want spacedaisy and MetalMarsh talking. If one of them is a civilian, this is a SHAMFUR DISPRAY.

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