The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote:We killed Epignosis because of the same reason we killed everybody else we killed.

Long Con wrote:

Hider - The Syndicate
Hides behind a player each night. If the player is civilian, no harm will come to the Hider. If he hides behind a baddie, he will die.

How did HamburgerBoy die?

Epignosis wrote:Who killed me, and what was the reason this time?

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Hey Rico...you will not make this putt...jackass!

Turnip Head wrote:

Spoiler: show

The Epic Noses have been eliminated.

Good try, team.

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:Rico, I just realized where your avatar is from. Or maybe it's not from where I think it is, because it was only shown on Wednesday . When did you get it?

I don't know where it comes from.

I don't think I can tell you where I got it from, because rules.

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Most likely baddie team mates of LoRab IMO after doing all that shit:

thellama73 / Dom (I think it's one or the other, not necessarily both -- I underlined the one I think is most likely to be bad).
Metalmarsh89
nijuukyugou
DrWilgy
Long Con
DharmaHelper

More speculative/less confident possibilities:

juliets
MacDougall
bea

I'm sure I'm wrong about things. One cannot analyze everyone in the game without that happening. Anyone who actually reads most of my stuff, please share your points of disagreement.

linki: well-timed, DH

Dom wrote:I posted about the issue. I don't know how to fix it, but I would imagine that SVS, TH, or MP can. They have more access to this stuff than I do.

Actually I was the first person to fix it.

It requires editing posts though.

FZ. wrote:Having a 4 way tie is the most stupid thing ever. Nothing to be learned from it. A three way tie would somehow be okay, but a 4 way tie is just helping the baddies

HamburgerBoy wrote:Does it bother anyone else that Epi seems to be reading the thread a lot but not posting?

666.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:linki: Even a confirmed civvie can lead the town to a terrible loss by giving them bad advice.

There's a 97.8% probability that FZ. is wrong about this.

FZ. wrote:I'm tired. You all are obviously smarter than me. Just lynch whoever you want. Good night.

FZ. wrote:linki: Even a confirmed civvie can lead the town to a terrible loss by giving them bad advice.

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Hey, Tranq, I changed my mind. I'll have your vote toDay. Please vote Golden or FZ.

I'm sorry, I should have phrased that in a direct question, to summon you properly.

*bends a knee*

Tranq, will you, on this fine Day, place your vote on either Golden or FZ., which you prefer, please?

Are you trying to help the civvies? I think death has played with your head

I don't want Tranq's vote to "go to waste". He asked me for this. It's a civvie thing to do, surely, and I'm the best civvie around to do it.

The fact you are a confirmed civvie doesn't make you a good civvie.

Sorsha wrote:I voted for LoRab yesterday and was ambivalent about jjj getting lynched. I voted LoRab today and am leaning more towards not wanting jjj lynched because his posts today seem to be genuine/civ. Still catching up in bits and pieces here.

Your avatar keeps making me think The Goblin King and Severus Snape are duking it out right now in the hereafter.

Or singing a duet of "Dance Magic Dance."

FZ. wrote:I'm a little bothered by how the votes look at the moment. I have a lot of catching up to do, but do those not voting for JJJ think he's not bad? Epi, BR, what do you think about JJJ?

FZ. wrote:Why are the other votes so spread?

Ricochet wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

I can't confirm this, based on past experience. Then again, maybe I wasn't the right person for her to talk about that.

Also, alone =/= civ. Are you saying there are no indy aligned players in this game?

Ricochet wrote:It'll now be the third time me saying that yes, temp votes should normally affect players who need not receive votes to be empowered.

MacDougall wrote:I have no reason to doubt that his claim is true. There's no reason to lie about that imo. It doesn't make him any more civ looking. I don't think you looking at 2015 survival roles to check alignment will help because while some people claim that they have civ roles and are still civ, we have evidence of a civ role being bad in this game. We saw Duncan Idaho on the day 1 poll, JJJ didn't vote for that option, but he probably wouldn't have it was him either. Duncan was from a recent game, and he was a champion character and the way he worded his survival sounds like Duncan. I think he's Duncan. I don't think it necessarily makes him civ.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

I'd kick you in the ass if I were your wife.

DharmaHelper wrote:Why to both of these assertions.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.

1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV

2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"

What a joke that is.

I don't agree with you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FZ is my strongest town read.

Mine too. Simple reason. Any guessers want to have a go at why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I bought a vacuum cleaner today and I'm pretty sure I just broke it.

Why would you buy a vacuum cleaner if you are changing continents of residence?

I need to clean this house thoroughly before I leave it behind. My old vacuum was broken. I'm bad at vacuums.

Vacuums are supposed to suck.

Because you're compulsively contrarian?

Because FZ. hasn't used any adverbs?

DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.

1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV

2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"

What a joke that is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FZ is my strongest town read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I bought a vacuum cleaner today and I'm pretty sure I just broke it.

Why would you buy a vacuum cleaner if you are changing continents of residence?

I need to clean this house thoroughly before I leave it behind. My old vacuum was broken. I'm bad at vacuums.

Vacuums are supposed to suck.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Wait, you guys got roles?

Role 2015 GOC: Dharma Helper

You are

Pleb
You need Epignosis dead to win the game.

LoRab wrote:So, I may have not focused on 1 sentence within one post on one page of the game. Sorry about that. And, uh, yeah--upon seeing it now, how would I know that was directed at me? And, really, in reading a dozen pages of posts, I miss a sentence or 2 here and there. It's a fact of life. I'm sorry I don't hang on every single word that you write.

HamburgerBoy wrote:I thought that was exclusively directed to me. I don't see others posting numbers either. Are you being serious right now?

LoRab wrote:Oh, wait...did you mean why don't I suspect a specific number of people who voted for me? OF the 8 who voted for me, I'm not sure which are bad. I don't particularly suspect you or Sorsha because your suspicion of me is well documented. The other 6 I'm iffy on.

Epignosis wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Do you have a stake in LoRabs survival? Are you absolutely sure she won't flip bad? I'm not, in fact I think she will flip mafia. I am interested in other avenues though, like JJJ and Tranq. What avenues do you want us to explore?

linki: We did! *high five*

Definitely not certain, but I just don't find the case on her compelling. I think Epignosis has been the most thorough and to me looks the most genuine in his case on her, but it's still for tone/wording (sorry Epi in this case they're interchangeable to me ) reasons. Saying "seem" to neutralize an accusation somewhat, and an accusation against someone that flipped town, doesn't ping me super heavy. In the sense that it could show a scum distancing from an inevitable town flip, maybe, but then you could much more easily accuse me of worse, being that I actually defended Rico's early posts and said they looked useful to me. If people stay on LoRab for this, we may as well just do a tally of every player and the number of times they tried to soften an accusation.

Maybe you could update your case on her? I don't think you responded to my points about your case here, only the parts about Jimmy's suggestion of a connection between you and Zebra. Just from general experience, it never seems to be good when the popular early-game candidates just keep getting mentioned over and over, and landslide lynches are almost impossible to get meaningful information from unless it's against scum.

That's not the only reason I suspect Lorab. I also suspect her because Black Rock came out early against her, which I would not expect if Black Rock were bad and trying to set Lorab up. Her suspicion of Lorab would be subtler, and as I said if you are reading the thread and paying attention to people's posts, please take the opportunity to include a number, whether spelled out or not, in your next post- I would appreciate that very much. As I said, if Black Rock is bad and setting up Lorab, I would be surprised, because I don't see her doing that if she is bad.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?

Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).

Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.

HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.

So you're completely caught up?

I've been caught up throughout the game--whether I've had time to fully respond has been my challenge. I know I have things to respond to from the past RL day (as I said). I will get to that tomorrow. Am not nearly awake enough at the moment.

LoRab wrote:And post a number? I have no idea what you're talking about.

LoRab wrote:And I agree with others that it was a clear attempt to save a teammate. And noting that he didn't act like a civ who had a save to use during the lynch.

*votes JJJ*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm also still mulling a LoRab vote, though I've done less legwork with her than with Boom. Anyone who feels she is the best choice could provide/restate their reasons now.

juliets wrote:I don't know why my agreeing to do ISO's at MAc's request should make you suspect me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Boomslang is my top civilian read.

That's fun. Is it something you see in his Zebra interactions?

a2thezebra wrote:Boomslang
sig
Long Con
MacDougall
Matt
juliets

a2thezebra wrote:In order of most to least suspicious.

a2thezebra wrote:

juliets wrote:Zebra, I would also like to know why I am on your list if you have time right now to tell me. If not now, later would be fine.

I'm still waiting to hear (see) from Lorab before i vote but i'm getting uneasy about the time squeeze.

I'm the least confident about my baddie read of you, but you have made some posts that have stood out to me as waffly in a careful-baddie sort of way. I can't remember who said it but someone said that your posts were just mimicking others' observations and opinions, and that's not my issue because like you said yourself, it isn't alignment-indicative. However, I do think some of your suspicions are "safe" for lack of a better word. You've given me a sense that you're aiming to follow what trains are going to be the most prominent by the end of the day. In other words, following the pack while making it look like you're borderline leading it.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:The game is 'whole team wins'. No civilian should care if they die for looking too civilian. I do not, personally, care about dying in this game if it ultimately is in the name of winning the civilians the game. The name of this game is not 'survive', its get your team the win. For this reason, figuring out who the civs are is important. Trying to keep to yourself any idea of what looks like civilian behaviour and why is directly harmful to the civilian cause.

There is literally no scenario I can fathom in this game in which the best interests of a civilian is not to call out who their civilian reads are.

Nope.

I carried the civilians in Talking Heads by making sure I was suspected off and on. I wasn't the main reason we won, but I was a critical periphery.

Were you more important than the other civilians who died instead because you had a powerful role, or merely because you are Epi?

Yes to both. It was a time when I had an amazing role and played it to the best of my ability. I am proud of my performance in that.

The point being, there is a mentality to staying alive even if civilians win as a group.

I agree. If I have a powerful role, I will play the game in a way I think might keep me alive.

But, lets say in that game, I called someone else 'my top town read'. Lets say, Fuzz. If you are the one with the amazing role, is it now in the civs interests that I did that?

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:The game is 'whole team wins'. No civilian should care if they die for looking too civilian. I do not, personally, care about dying in this game if it ultimately is in the name of winning the civilians the game. The name of this game is not 'survive', its get your team the win. For this reason, figuring out who the civs are is important. Trying to keep to yourself any idea of what looks like civilian behaviour and why is directly harmful to the civilian cause.

There is literally no scenario I can fathom in this game in which the best interests of a civilian is not to call out who their civilian reads are.

Nope.

I carried the civilians in Talking Heads by making sure I was suspected off and on. I wasn't the main reason we won, but I was a critical periphery.

Were you more important than the other civilians who died instead because you had a powerful role, or merely because you are Epi?

DharmaHelper wrote:@Epi I thought you were directing that specifically at HB. Had I known you were testing everyone I would have blatantly mocked you.

Matt wrote:Epignosis, please give a simple civ/baddie/indy/unsure response of the following players...

Golden, FZ, 3J, and Metalmarsh.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Matt wrote:Mac, I think Epig is quite possibly one of those Mafia folk. Because reasons. I'd like to see his response to my inquires before I go further.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis: I might be willing to join your LoRab crusade. I'd also like to know what you think of other matters in the game though, your read on her is the only one of yours that I could state without checking.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote: Epi and I have two distinct, different styles of playing. What he finds suspicious and what I find suspicious differ in almost every game we play. I also clash frequently with his methods of going after his suspects. I don't want to get into another pitfall of me and Epi talking through each other for 50 pages.

You should still do it at least once per year.

It's played out. And more often than not just leads us both in a circle with adverse effects on everyone else.

FZ. wrote:I would like to hear more from Epi and BR regarding other suspicions, as well as hear from Juliets about any suspicions now that Sig is dead.

Golden wrote:2) You keep overstating things. In epi's terms, this might be 'use of adverbs' but I'd also say adjectives and other intensifiers. Things like "Fuzz was obviously killed because...", "golden has repeatedly", "golden has heaped glowing praise". These intensifiers have the effect of making your points look like facts, when in reality they are overstating the facts (or, in some cases, assuming them entirely).

Golden wrote:The game is 'whole team wins'. No civilian should care if they die for looking too civilian. I do not, personally, care about dying in this game if it ultimately is in the name of winning the civilians the game. The name of this game is not 'survive', its get your team the win. For this reason, figuring out who the civs are is important. Trying to keep to yourself any idea of what looks like civilian behaviour and why is directly harmful to the civilian cause.

There is literally no scenario I can fathom in this game in which the best interests of a civilian is not to call out who their civilian reads are.

LoRab wrote:

Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?

Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).

Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.

HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.

Black Rock wrote: I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?

MacDougall wrote:I want to eat snake eggs. Has anyone done it?