The Syndicate

That was a lot of fun!!! Thanks for a great last game, Alex!!!

Laters!

Way to go Civvies, Zodak, and Sander Cohen!!!!!

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
And my own experiences in this game tell me there are ways for things to happen not shown in the roles.

That's true. I wonder if there's a secret role, undiscoverable.

You know... Now that you mention that, there is an additional [host] role in the Red Room. Someone has the opportunity to become MP. But that would be an additional character when you compare it to all of the original players.

Mongoose wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Nevinera wrote:Really tired, not playing well. DH and timmer both survived NKs, which goodmannered them good odds on civ roles.

Or had items.

From where?

Contest

Having been in one, I should have guessed that. But what I received weren't technically "items."

Yeah, I hope BWT is just making shit up to scare us... But probably not... Which means I've been wrong this whole time!!!

Mongoose wrote:

Nevinera wrote:Really tired, not playing well. DH and timmer both survived NKs, which goodmannered them good odds on civ roles.

Or had items.

From where?

@mongoose: I love that both of you mentioned cocaine in relation to BWT, though!

Oh Mongoose, I have an easier time reading Nev's insaniposts! lol.

And I definitely don't need to die in this game only to start playing in a whole new somewhat related game! No offense to all of Alex's hard work. My Red Room Role is perfection!!

Yeah. I think the remaining baddies are playing a better game than we think...
I still say that BF and SD deserve a look after this.

Ok BWT, I see which role you are pointing to. If that is true, then I am sorry. But I don't think bea is the right place to look...

@ mongoose

@bird. My grave and casket are both open and I'm awaiting on the edge for the tiny push needed by our magnificent host. I will, of course, be more provocative if he is hesitant.

Ok birdiebaddie.

Linki:

How will not dying prove you're a civvie?

Well, now I know what it takes to get a bird vote...

I'm definitely not a folding raincoat

DharmaHelper wrote:

Nevinera wrote:He wants a modkill.

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Sometimes this thing does not obscure much Living Statue houseofpancakes.

He wants out so you're willing to pull the trigger because if he is a civ, fuck it?

Very much this... Where is the logic? It certainly isn't here.

lol. I've thought this entire game that either DH or Nevinera HAD to be bad. I now have more faith than ever in DH. Vote for Nevbaddie. That way you'll at least get a baddie and me.

The other people you should consider: BWT, BF, SD, and Juliets. After these and the game is still on: Mongoose and Hedge. I believe Lizzy is right about at least 1 of these 2 if not both.

Mmmmmm... No. I'm trying to get Modkilled. You're distracting yourselves by even considering a vote for me.

I wouldn't waste too much more energy on me.

But I would like to take this time to apologize to everyone. I was simply trying to be ballzy in defense of my favorite ballzy player. I didn't feel like I had much to lose, however, I took it WAY too far over the line. And for that I am very sorry. I never meant anything personal, nor did I mean to be disrespectful to MP. I hope I haven't ruined this amazing game for anyone else. When he has time today, I hope that MP will accept my "resignation" from this game.

What can I say, I'm a controversial player through and through. I wouldn't be true to myself if I didn't create/add to the drama at some point.
But I stand by what I said. I didn't see any reason to kill off BDH and I'm certainly at a loss as to where to go from here after losing a great role like that. Also, I have no protections. I have no idea how I survived, but the mafia have no reason not to try to kill me again. So I'm going to die soon anyways.
I stand by what I said for 1 other reason. I don't have the time nor the energy to keep up with this anymore, so I too, was planning to "retire" from Mafia after this game. I need time to focus on RL. I've realized a dream that I have is possible recently, and if I'm going to fulfill that dream, I need to focus everything I have on chasing it.
So, MP, I decided that if I'm going out, I'm going to do it with a bang. I meant no disrespect for you or your hosting style. I thoroughly disagreed with 1 decision you made and I spoke out about it. Don't let that stop you. You've done an amazing job with every game you've hosted. This game is the icing on top of your figurative "Badass 2013 Mafia Games" cake. You've done an excellent job thus far despite your ridiculous schedule (I mean that in the nicest way possible).

But as I stated before. I am a Champion in my own right. I stand by my beliefs. You've brought back players on 3 separate occasions this game. A 4th won't destroy the games integrity nor your badassitude as the host. Do with it what you will

I call complete BULL SHIT on the BDH modkill. I am quitting my catch up and am leaving the thread in protest. I know you're busy MP. And I know this can lead to mistakes. I'm busy too. But I read the rules the same way BDH did and was going to do the same thing in just a few minutes. But he beat me to it and you killed him before I could follow.

I'm a Champion in my own right, damn it! I will choose how I leave this game!
BDH is the best fucking player I've had the privilege to play with. If he's not brought back, then I forfeit my life.

Holy Crap! Sorry I had you all wrong SVS :/ Your attack on llama suddenly makes a lot of sense. But I still stand by my opinion that he wasn't lying. As I said I completely missed that I wasn't supposed to post off topic. Oh well,

I'm voting KY. Born and raised!

EBWOP: What was his win condition, out of curiosity?

S~V~S wrote:and according to Devin, it IS a lie. And Devin & I may spar, but I believe him.

Despite this great lynch result I did not say that it was a lie. llama was 100% telling the truth about this. You jumped on him about lying as soon as I made my post.
I hate being called a lier, and when someone else is being called a liar I will fight to the death for them if I know they are telling the truth.

thellama73 wrote:For the record, I didn't lie about my curse.

I know. I'm very sorry that my post led to that assumption about you.

Well nothing I can do now. *votes llama*

BigDamnHero wrote:Isn't BEA off cuz she technically died?

I wouldn't think so. This is the 2nd time she's been off the pole this game. Someone's protecting her.

Anyone else notice that bea is off the pole again? Lol.

DharmaHelper wrote:Making me all worried n shit when I should be doing homework.

I'm quite undecided right now. I feel like a llama vote would be pointless but if there's nothing else for me to go on...
So, I'm just looking for ideas before actually voting.

I would vote for bird again, but it gets lonely up there by myself... I miss Russti.

linki: which is why I'm not likely to end up voting for you today.

You can try

Lizzy gurl, convince me to vote for DH. You have 1 hour. Aaaaaaaaaand... GO!

juliets wrote:People I feel neutral about: BF, Boomslang, Devin, Eloh, FH, Mongoose, Timmer, Hedge
I obviously need to clear my neutrals to either an "OK" or "concerned about".

Just keep me in neutral

For the record, I posted my list of people to look at several pages back. I do not have a feels good about category. I'm somewhat surprised anyone does.
I have a potential baddie list and a neutral, a.k.a. "not a baddie yet" list.

Even Lizzy is the lowest on my Neutral list because I can't bring myself to accept that her role reveal was 100% accurate.
That is not to say that I'm not very happy that she is still around
And I'm sorry to bring this possibility up, Lizzy, but I feel I have to. I'm trying to consider every scenario:

It is possible that Lizzy's role reveal was faked so that she could be an "obvious" rez candidate later. I'm not at all saying that her [hypothetical] team knew that a rez poll like the one we had was on the way. But, it's something to keep in the back our minds. I will not be voting for her anytime soon, though. My point is simply Don't Trust Anyone 100%.

Hedgeowl wrote: People I have no read on are Devin, BWT, Booms, SD and Timmer.

bea wrote:Devin is tricky for me. I want to say I'm leaning civ but I'm never good at reading him. He's been pretty insistant with his Teefies suspish, I just can't figure out if it's because he thinks he's on to something and the quick turn around from Teefies between his sheild vote for me and his vote to lynch me the next day was Teefies messing up, or if Devin's trying to keep that in my mind knowing the three of us were all just baddies together and if I'm looking at Teefies, I'm not looking at him, ya know?

I prefer to keep it this way.

And bea, I 've suspected BWT since way before the shield vote. That just simply added onto the suspicion.
I simply feel I'm seeing his baddie game here. What started it was the fact that he went so hard after Epi about his Zodac comments (when they weren't that farfetched since he created the role) and then Day after Day it was:
"I'm gonna vote for you, Epi! I'm gonna vote for you! Oh look at that person... *doesn't vote for Epi*"

If you look at the very first page, it suggests that they were just Macguyver challenge submissions. I wouldn't put too much thought into those.

And yeah, Nev, I'm suddenly seeing that I may have been targetting Zodac this entire time... :/
But bird's question to me regarding "when/if he flips civ" doesn't jive with this to me... IDK.

Also, let's assume we know that llama is Cohen for a second. You are right, I misremembered his lynch survival as a NK survival. But that would leave him with 1 protection left. Would it be better to get rid of that now or later when there are fewer players left?

Linki: Exactly

Anyway, before I go, I certainly hope the baddie numbers are actually dwindling now. I would recommend discussing the possibility of a llama and/or bwt vote today. Their NK survivals (especially birds double NK survival) seemed very convenient to me.

I will be back in later.

Linki: That was to you, DH I won't be letting go of that possibility any time soon. But I will need more to go on before I vote for you

That would be awefully convenient for your earlier post regarding the "mushrooms" post...

BTW, way to go on calling out Vompers, DH!!

I just hope that is role reveal wasn't manipulated

BigDamnHero wrote:

Nevinera wrote:Does anyone have an opinion about doing the riddle in public?

I've been going over it this morning and I can't tell if all the lines are connected to one big riddle or if we have to solve the parts to complete the whole puzzle or what. Then this idea popped into my head: Is it possible that the Sinister Exaggerator put that in there to mess w/ our heads and keep us focused on something other than rooting out his teammates?

I thought of that, too. I can't imagine sock killing off people who aren't able to crack the code. Especially after so many said they suck at it.
I just don't have the time to put any effort into it :/

"When I am born I am one but when I die I am many" -> May refer to a player given a unique role then when they die in the game they are considered many (zombies/deadies)

DH, I thought of Bob when I saw this. But obviously he can't continue to recruit while dead...

Lizzy wrote:Nev, if we ignore the killer indies for one or two days, while hunting for baddies, the latter WILL resort to NK'ing the suspected SK's because it's in their interest.

I agree with this.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, people are saying that they know his role (??) and that it would be a waste, so I dunno if you should. I am not 100% sure he is any specific role, I am sure he lied, and then backpedaled about it. It's all in the thread. I do think he did so willfully, and I am not sure why anyone NOT a baddie would do so.

I hope you are seeing what I put out, JC~ you of all people should

I hope you are not bad, lol. If i missed it (I am not fully caught up today, we had Blizzard #7878957 today) did you say your opinion on Bea?

You can't be sure that I lied because a lie is all about motive, and you can't know my motive. If I didn't intent to deceive, it was, by definition, not a lie. I stated something that wasn't true, yes, but it was not a lie, because I believed it at the time.

I do have to say, this is one of the weasely-est statement i have ever read. Srs weasel, man, props. I really don't think you believed it. I know i don't believe it.

Really?? It was what I said that made you think he was lying. I know he's not lying.
Do I think he's a potential baddie for other reasons? Yes.
But for EXACTLY the same reason he didn't post in orange, I posted off topic. Twice! Did I do it on purpose, or to deceive anyone, or to break the rules? No.
What possible benefit could llama gain by faking insanification and not posting in orange (a contest rule), during the contest?
And that's another thing! It was not a curse! It was an optional contest. We didn't have to do it and we wouldn't have been punished for not doing it (if you don't count losing the contest as a punishment). llama clearly was trying to post using poetry so he clearly was trying just as hard as I was to win the contest.

I'm just going to leave this here and hope that it doesn't get ignored AGAIN.
RE: "llama's lie"

birdwithteeth11 wrote:2) I have no reason to go after Devin. I think he's a terribly misguided civvie.

@Devin: Say I were to be lynched and revealed to be a civvie. Where would you look next?

As unlikely as I find this possibility I would probably just go after my other suspicions.

The folks I find suspicious now but may not die right away: llama, and vompatti (for recent events).

People on the bottom of my short list: Spacedaisy (Nothing solid but I've been on her team before and she's just pinging the crap out of me this game), juliets (I'm on the fence here but I found DH's case to be compelling), SVS (I'm biased Will not vote for her for a long while but the reason is the "triple threat" rezz with a revealed civ), FH (same), blindfaeth (potential Bird or llama teammate), DH (for possible "framework"), and bea (completely on the fence here due to past cases and recent developments).

Sorry I can't elaborate more. I'm still confident about my BWT votes. I called his baddie game in Bioshock and we ended up with a pretty big baddie lynch on Day 1 or 2 of that game. I'm getting the same vibes here. Again I'm sorry I don't have time to elaborate. I am extremely busy with work and other RL at the moment.

Peace!

Voted Bird, because WTF NOT!?!?

I had no idea about BDH and bea. That's great!

The Don's Bedchambers perhaps?

I luv ya man. But I have to ask. Da' Fuck?

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, people are saying that they know his role (??) and that it would be a waste, so I dunno if you should. I am not 100% sure he is any specific role, I am sure he lied, and then backpedaled about it. It's all in the thread. I do think he did so willfully, and I am not sure why anyone NOT a baddie would do so.

I hope you are seeing what I put out, JC~ you of all people should

I hope you are not bad, lol. If i missed it (I am not fully caught up today, we had Blizzard #7878957 today) did you say your opinion on Bea?

You can't be sure that I lied because a lie is all about motive, and you can't know my motive. If I didn't intent to deceive, it was, by definition, not a lie. I stated something that wasn't true, yes, but it was not a lie, because I believed it at the time.

I do have to say, this is one of the weasely-est statement i have ever read. Srs weasel, man, props. I really don't think you believed it. I know i don't believe it.

Really?? It was what I said that made you think he was lying. I know he's not lying.
Do I think he's a potential baddie for other reasons? Yes.
But for EXACTLY the same reason he didn't post in orange, I posted off topic. Twice! Did I do it on purpose, or to deceive anyone, or to break the rules? No.
What possible benefit could llama gain by faking insanification and not posting in orange (a contest rule), during the contest?
And that's another thing! It was not a curse! It was an optional contest. We didn't have to do it and we wouldn't have been punished for not doing it (if you don't count losing the contest as a punishment). llama clearly was trying to post using poetry so he clearly was trying just as hard as I was to win the contest.