The Syndicate

Ping me if anyone wants me for anything.

I'm just leaving my vote on my actual firm wolf read, wilgy. Go to town. (See what I did there?)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:18 pm I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man
I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.
And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?
Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.
No I say town because I'm not certain SHE is town. Town wouldn't lose if either svs or I were wolf in this scenerio, so your implication is incorrect.

I see that she is active, but I'm not certain about her. She's low on my list though.

Y9u really want me to go away, doncha? Goofy.
I think I gave a very fair moment to solve outside of me in the "when I flip green who is red" question.

Like, idk what you want from me after asking this repeatedly and if the game is going to end up F5 you licking me and me licking you, may as well get it done now.

After you I think it's neon, then if I had gth I'd say Mac. But he's a distant third.

That's the best I can do to answer that question.

I don't think it's porscha, scotty or svs.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:11 pm I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???
No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I know. I just meant go over my votes.

What do you think about neon?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:11 pm I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???
No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I don't want to vote Mac. I've said that. I want to vote neon. Or wilgy in case I haven't mentioned that.

This whole game is goofy.

Sorry tooootziesss I forgot the gooffffball.

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:09 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:59 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:58 pm How about we all vote wilgy
Who is his partner?
Probably neon, right? What do you think?
His partner is me or nobody I feel. I don't see how a Wilgy/Neon team leaves me alive just to not push me at all when Wilgy had me in his solve yesterday and my eod vote would give him the ammo to side with you two and easily get me over.

But not everything in the game is about you Mac.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pm I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.
I'm fine with a Kate wagon too
Yes!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:59 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:58 pm How about we all vote wilgy
Who is his partner?

Probably neon, right? What do you think?

How about we all vote wilgy

And I still want to know why she thinks voting Mac is outing?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:18 pm I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man
I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.
And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?
Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.

No I say town because I'm not certain SHE is town. Town wouldn't lose if either svs or I were wolf in this scenerio, so your implication is incorrect.

I see that she is active, but I'm not certain about her. She's low on my list though.

Y9u really want me to go away, doncha? Goofy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:44 pm Aight Scotty you've arrived at the wrong conclusion so let's see if you're genuine.

I'm not with Wilgy, Kate or SVS for very level 1 reasons.

So is my partner the polarised Porscha or Neon who bussed Pyxxy while I tried to save Pyxxy?

Neon right?

Okay.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Oh, I like this vote better. Now I'm comfuzzled.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:18 pm I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man
I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:29 pm I’m tinfoiling
Mac/Neon or Mac/Wilgy right now and lean towards the former.

I think ultimately mafia leaving SVS and Kate alive is a mistake.

Mac is a crafty mafia. Why is he still alive if he’s town? Well, that can be explained by him being SO wrong about pyxxy, and WWA being so right.

OH I actually forgot TSP was killed. Need to do that NKA

I'm going to consider your case on Mac but I'll only do so as a partner to wilgy, which I just can't let go in my heart, goofy as that may be.

My second choice would be neon/wilgy, but you pose a more palatable choice than svs.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:16 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.
Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.
Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.
one of the key points during my vca from the last cycle was 1 in TSP/Mac.

This was to the point where I wanted to solve in SVS/TSP yesterday (unfortunately we decided that was dumb and that I'm a silly billy).

By eliminating TSP and advising suspicions of Mac, it would reinforce the now defunct, but still previously alive, VCA.
Is it possible TAP could’ve been elimmed for other reasons than to point you in the wrong direction?

Because honestly I think killing someone to lead one town member astray is pretty unlikely

Especially the goofy counterwagon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:37 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.
Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.
Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.
one of the key points during my vca from the last cycle was 1 in TSP/Mac.

This was to the point where I wanted to solve in SVS/TSP yesterday (unfortunately we decided that was dumb and that I'm a silly billy).

By eliminating TSP and advising suspicions of Mac, it would reinforce the now defunct, but still previously alive, VCA.

Or, in the goofy alternative, it was designed to LOOK like it was pushing you to mac.

What's vca?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:26 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:15 pm Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha
While I do feel like you’re both limiting yourselves if you’re that easy to spot by the other, you both know each other and godreads can just happen. My wife KNOWS when it’s my fart or the dog’s. EVERY TIME.

It's a very similar phenomenon

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:15 pm Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha

The time you Jesus christed me lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm Hey @Kate how surprised would you be if SVS flipped wolf? And why?

A million percent surprised. Because she is in full fire svs mode. Civ meta. Which is reinforced by her frustration and quietness. She is quiet bc she's aggravated not bc she's hiding, in my estimation. Now she's coming back to life.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:50 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:32 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:28 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:05 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 am Mmm AtE very convincing
Well I learned that from you, sugarpop.
You shouldn't learn from me. AtE is the worst and most awful thing in my play book I hate that I use it and I'm trying to stop.

Emotions are real though and it's hard
It is hard

thank you

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am My deeper concern with this threadstate is that if Kate is town, I think regardless of order there's a high probability we lose.

If Kate and SVSs suspicion of me is at least 1 part genuine and followed I get flipped.

If Mac/Porscha and I have another part that is genuine in our suspicion of Kate and we follow through Kate gets flipped.

Both of these things can happen independently of when they occur.

Normally I think in this scenario I'd opt for self resolution, but I'm unsure if I can trust the town on Kate's flip, much less, trust myself on Kate's flip.

I know it's a lot of words, but this could be simply "I'm terrified that I'm wrong on Kate now, the AtE is working and now my tinfoil is massive."
Then let’s flip SVS?
Not yet, I think if I'm yeeting in Kate/SVS I'm yeeting Kate still.

However I think that I need to do some ISOs prior to day closing. You are seeming more inherently townie than your predecessor and it's making me stumble abit on my Porscha Mac read.

I'd say the list feels like

Neon
Mac
Porscha
Scottzie
SVS
Kate

There is no way you actually believe this. You goofy guy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:31 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am @Kate I need you to tell me your solve when I flip green if I go over today.
You're not going over today because no one believes it but me. Lol.
Ok my friend, but again, "if I were to flip green this cycle, what's your solve?"

Yes.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:28 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:05 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 am Mmm AtE very convincing
Well I learned that from you, sugarpop.
You shouldn't learn from me. AtE is the worst and most awful thing in my play book I hate that I use it and I'm trying to stop.

Emotions are real though and it's hard

It is hard

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 am Mmm AtE very convincing

Well I learned that from you, sugarpop.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:28 am @Kate I need you to tell me your solve when I flip green if I go over today.

You're not going over today because no one believes it but me. Lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:17 am I mean.

Okay I'll answer it.
Oh no I lost my post.
Anyone know how to retrieve a draft?
Oh I found it!
Oh my draft sucks I can't post it.
Vanishes.

Is pretty difficult to not take as a wolf claim.

Yea ok. I faked losing a draft. Then faked figuring it out, then finished it and went to bed. I played all friggin day yesterday and it's not ok for me to eventually go to bed? Now that makes me bad, too? Wow. Ok. Vote me. Enjoy. I'm vanilla civ. Enjoy.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:18 pm i'm 100% voting in svs and kate today so if each of you would like to appeal to me on which of you to not kill, feel free

I'm not going to do that because you'll be killing a town either way and probably losing the game. You can look back on my posts and decide if you think I've been honest and solving. Or if I've just been goofy. I can't keep up this level of try hard for people who aren't listening to me. It's kind of exhausting and it's starting to not be fun or goofy.

I'm getting used to people saying, oh should have listened to Kate on that one. So, once more I guess.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:57 pm

Want it noted that...

a) I did due diligence on Dennis and found his play wanting in a big way and pushed him
b) SVS and Kate both had a very weird series of interactions with Dennis where they kept directly pinging him when Nutella and I started pushing them. As if to dog whistle him to come push us or shield them or something, but done in a way where it would come across like they were suspect of him. c) Literally 1 minute before EOD I came in and realised that Dennis was being quite towny, and tried to hammer Wilgy over him, but observed Wilgy literally UNVOTE Dennis, which simultaneously to me moving from Dennis to wilgy changed the VC from 4-3 Dennis lead to 3-2 Wilgy lead. So I quickly put my Dennis vote back because CLEARLY mafia Wilgy has absolutely no benefit whatsoever to taking that risk.

So on point c. I really don't see how Wilgy is ever mafia. Everything else just further confbiases my Kate/SVS solve I'm afraid.

I am never getting to Porscha if it's them. And Neon feels fine.

The only other possibility is the one in which Kate/SVS are pocketed town/wolf with Scotty.
Well if that's your solve, you should be afraid because we are going to lose. I do think you're town, but I implore you to think outside the box. This team has been distancing and dancing around around each other like crazy. I just watched it happen in Meta and I've seen neon do it several times. Look at the baddie team in GOC, did crazy goofy shit to bus each other. I'm not asking you to side with my opinion but just that you keep an open mind and keep looking.

I SWEAR to you I am a vanilla civ.
And I am telling you in no uncertain terms there is no world where that is true where SVS is not mafia. None. If you are civ, stop shielding a wolf.
Why is there no world?

Ok. Let me ask you this. If wilgy is bad is an svs/wilgy/pyxxy team possible in your estimation?
Because if you were t/t you both wouldn't be alive. And certainly the three of us wouldn't be alive with TSP dead. If you two are town the wolves went into night with us 3 all townreading each other and chose to shoot TSP (whose top suspicion was you two mafia btw).
So just because again you think it's unlikely you deemed it impossible? You don't see people adjusting their wolf games? Nk choices can mean anything.

Tsp was not a huge presence in the game and I know for certain his "top suspicion " was wrong so I'm not putting much weight on that.
Unlikely is an understatement. You two have been thread masons since day 1 and are both competent players. If anything one of you should have died over Lily n1, then Nutella n2, and especially TSP n4. The only world in which mafia don't do that is if one of you is pocketing the other.

You need to convince me that a team of 2 as per the below chooses to leave us 3 alive heading into f7.

Porscha/Neon
Porscha/Wilgy
Neon/Wilgy
Scotty/Wilgy
Scotty/Porscha
Scotty/Neon

Firstly, which of these duos kills TSP over me?

One of the 3 I highlighted.

Why do they kill TSP over me and then not push me (which SVS is doing thus explaining why I'm still alive over TSP cuz she thinks she can get me chopped).

Again I don't think the kill was about you. I think they knew if they killed me it would make wilgy obvious wolf (goofy), and TSP having me as his number 1 sus, he was a good choice if they were in fact trying to set me up.

Which of these duos considers me a patsy/non threat so as to be left alive the whole game?
Which of these duos views you and SVS masoning a non factor to a degree where they kill Lily, Nutella and TSP instead of breaking you up?

There are lots of reasons why teams pick their NK. I dont think anyone had to think you are a pasty to keep you alive, shit I haven't lived past n2 in ages, yet here I am.

If you are town, please take my question seriously and don't hand wave it away appealing to me to implicitly trust you. Actually think about it.

I'm thinking so hard my goofy brain is getting frazzled. I'm expecting anyone to just trust my reads. but the baddies have been crazy in games lately. Bussing, distancing, even leading lynches against each other to deep wolf. Look back to GOC mafia game has evolved. Im not one bit suprised by Wilgy's stunt yesterday.

When i found the draft, only half was saved so i had to rewrite part. Im not certain I didn't repeat myself from another post either. sigh.

I got it on the computer!!! Omg ok hang on.

2930 I had a full response done and I lost it but I had saved part as a draft. Trying to load the draft. If I can't ill just rewrite it.

Does Nyone know how to retrieve a draft?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:28 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:21 pm If Wilgy is bad, can SVS be his partner? That's your question Kate?

If you are town, I think SVS is basically outed and her partner is most likely to be Scotty of the remaining options but without further due diligence I have no reason to eliminate the possibility that Wilgy is with SVS beyond the reason I'm townreading Wilgy independently.
Why cant you accept that we have multiple tells on each other? The thing that’s holding this game up is the inability to accept this. We’ve spent this whole game on this topic.
Because

You

Or

Kate

Would

Be

Dead

By

Now

In

All

World's

If

You

Were

Both

Correct

Town

Especially

When

I

Stopped

Pushing

You

Yesterday

Quoting this for posterity and vindication when this is over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:19 pm It was worse than rand. Because I voted Wilgy he actually ended up 3-2 briefly due to me switching my vote from Dennis to Wilgy. He nearly outright killed himself.
Yes, again he NEARLY DID, BUT he did not. He didn't know you were going to move if youre town. And how is killing oneself townie anyway when he claimed he though Dennis was bad?? Please tell me how that makes any sense.
I quite literally said that Dennis was much more townie than you/SVS/Scotty.

I even advised that Dennis's reaction to my y/n was kinda townie.

Dennis was more townie than I am? In this game??

Alright I'm so frustrated right now, especially after losing my post. I'm getting ready to scream. Lol. Well lynch svs and when she flips civ, I sure hope you lynch wilgy tomorrow. We do think there is at least one more day? Correct?

I just wrote huge fucking response to Mac's post and I fucking lost it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:21 pm If Wilgy is bad, can SVS be his partner? That's your question Kate?

If you are town, I think SVS is basically outed and her partner is most likely to be Scotty of the remaining options but without further due diligence I have no reason to eliminate the possibility that Wilgy is with SVS beyond the reason I'm townreading Wilgy independently.

Yes that is my hypothetical question. I don't believe she is wolf.

Is there a world where it's pyx/scotty/wilgy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:19 pm It was worse than rand. Because I voted Wilgy he actually ended up 3-2 briefly due to me switching my vote from Dennis to Wilgy. He nearly outright killed himself.

Yes, again he NEARLY DID, BUT he did not. He didn't know you were going to move if youre town. And how is killing oneself townie anyway when he claimed he though Dennis was bad?? Please tell me how that makes any sense.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:05 pm

Just worded it like it's a goofy idea doesn't mean it's a goofy idea. Who were the voters on Dennis yesterday? Was neon one of them ?
Neon, TSP, Mac.

So, one of these is my teammate who had 2x vote power in the world where you think I wasn't at risk of being yeeted? For your thinking to be true, that has to be absolutely correct.
Want it noted that...

a) I did due diligence on Dennis and found his play wanting in a big way and pushed him
b) SVS and Kate both had a very weird series of interactions with Dennis where they kept directly pinging him when Nutella and I started pushing them. As if to dog whistle him to come push us or shield them or something, but done in a way where it would come across like they were suspect of him. c) Literally 1 minute before EOD I came in and realised that Dennis was being quite towny, and tried to hammer Wilgy over him, but observed Wilgy literally UNVOTE Dennis, which simultaneously to me moving from Dennis to wilgy changed the VC from 4-3 Dennis lead to 3-2 Wilgy lead. So I quickly put my Dennis vote back because CLEARLY mafia Wilgy has absolutely no benefit whatsoever to taking that risk.

So on point c. I really don't see how Wilgy is ever mafia. Everything else just further confbiases my Kate/SVS solve I'm afraid.

I am never getting to Porscha if it's them. And Neon feels fine.

The only other possibility is the one in which Kate/SVS are pocketed town/wolf with Scotty.
Well if that's your solve, you should be afraid because we are going to lose. I do think you're town, but I implore you to think outside the box. This team has been distancing and dancing around around each other like crazy. I just watched it happen in Meta and I've seen neon do it several times. Look at the baddie team in GOC, did crazy goofy shit to bus each other. I'm not asking you to side with my opinion but just that you keep an open mind and keep looking.

I SWEAR to you I am a vanilla civ.
And I am telling you in no uncertain terms there is no world where that is true where SVS is not mafia. None. If you are civ, stop shielding a wolf.
Why is there no world?

Ok. Let me ask you this. If wilgy is bad is an svs/wilgy/pyxxy team possible in your estimation?
Because if you were t/t you both wouldn't be alive. And certainly the three of us wouldn't be alive with TSP dead. If you two are town the wolves went into night with us 3 all townreading each other and chose to shoot TSP (whose top suspicion was you two mafia btw).

So just because again you think it's unlikely you deemed it impossible? You don't see people adjusting their wolf games? Nk choices can mean anything.

Tsp was not a huge presence in the game and I know for certain his "top suspicion " was wrong so I'm not putting much weight on that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:32 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:28 pm

Also possible. Also risky. But impossible? No.
So... We are implying that in the face of 'wacky fun power roles' there is also a vote manipulator in the game, or a mechanic that changes vote weight, that I didn't carry that vote weight because I wasn't on Dennis, and that we are actually at mylo due to your proposed world of there being a W with weight of 2 and somehow me as W vs 3 town next cycle?
Just worded it like it's a goofy idea doesn't mean it's a goofy idea. Who were the voters on Dennis yesterday? Was neon one of them ?
Neon, TSP, Mac.

So, one of these is my teammate who had 2x vote power in the world where you think I wasn't at risk of being yeeted? For your thinking to be true, that has to be absolutely correct.
Want it noted that...

a) I did due diligence on Dennis and found his play wanting in a big way and pushed him
b) SVS and Kate both had a very weird series of interactions with Dennis where they kept directly pinging him when Nutella and I started pushing them. As if to dog whistle him to come push us or shield them or something, but done in a way where it would come across like they were suspect of him. c) Literally 1 minute before EOD I came in and realised that Dennis was being quite towny, and tried to hammer Wilgy over him, but observed Wilgy literally UNVOTE Dennis, which simultaneously to me moving from Dennis to wilgy changed the VC from 4-3 Dennis lead to 3-2 Wilgy lead. So I quickly put my Dennis vote back because CLEARLY mafia Wilgy has absolutely no benefit whatsoever to taking that risk.

So on point c. I really don't see how Wilgy is ever mafia. Everything else just further confbiases my Kate/SVS solve I'm afraid.

I am never getting to Porscha if it's them. And Neon feels fine.

The only other possibility is the one in which Kate/SVS are pocketed town/wolf with Scotty.
Well if that's your solve, you should be afraid because we are going to lose. I do think you're town, but I implore you to think outside the box. This team has been distancing and dancing around around each other like crazy. I just watched it happen in Meta and I've seen neon do it several times. Look at the baddie team in GOC, did crazy goofy shit to bus each other. I'm not asking you to side with my opinion but just that you keep an open mind and keep looking.

I SWEAR to you I am a vanilla civ.
And I am telling you in no uncertain terms there is no world where that is true where SVS is not mafia. None. If you are civ, stop shielding a wolf.

Why is there no world?

Ok. Let me ask you this. If wilgy is bad is an svs/wilgy/pyxxy team possible in your estimation?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:08 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:24 pm

Actual footage of Kate this phase
Damn she’s a hard worker
Hard at work trying to bury townies

Omg I have never worked this hard to win as mafia NEVER.

Am I missing any questions that I have been asked?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:05 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:02 pm

Explain why Wilgy unvotes Dennis when Dennis is safely at 4 votes as a wolf, ending in a coin flip and nearly dying in the process?

Neon voted Pyxxy 2 days running.
Exactly to make you ask this question. Also are you sure there's no vote manip going on?

@tutuu was yesterday's lynch a tie?

Neon is a humongous busser. She nearly got her teammates lynched in one of the last games (silly Dennis and goofy fs).
I was just browsing Pyxxy's ISO and he pushed Neon relatively firmly. Don't want to go there.

As if the host is going to answer you. Read the eod post. It was 3/3 at eod.

Of course I'm not sure about Vote manipulation? Should I just not make the read because of an outlandish possibility?

Maybe Pyxxy's flip was janitored. We better not read their spew in case it's wrong.
Maybe unlikely but not outlandish.
Or the votes were normal votes and Wilgy literally nearly killed himself at EOD for no reason.
Nearly, but didn't.
I... literally don't understand what you are trying to actually say here xD

Ues he took a risk and nearly died. He nearly died. He did not die.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:32 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:21 pm
Maybe unlikely but not outlandish.
Or the votes were normal votes and Wilgy literally nearly killed himself at EOD for no reason.
Also possible. Also risky. But impossible? No.
So... We are implying that in the face of 'wacky fun power roles' there is also a vote manipulator in the game, or a mechanic that changes vote weight, that I didn't carry that vote weight because I wasn't on Dennis, and that we are actually at mylo due to your proposed world of there being a W with weight of 2 and somehow me as W vs 3 town next cycle?
Just worded it like it's a goofy idea doesn't mean it's a goofy idea. Who were the voters on Dennis yesterday? Was neon one of them ?
Neon, TSP, Mac.

So, one of these is my teammate who had 2x vote power in the world where you think I wasn't at risk of being yeeted? For your thinking to be true, that has to be absolutely correct.
Want it noted that...

a) I did due diligence on Dennis and found his play wanting in a big way and pushed him
b) SVS and Kate both had a very weird series of interactions with Dennis where they kept directly pinging him when Nutella and I started pushing them. As if to dog whistle him to come push us or shield them or something, but done in a way where it would come across like they were suspect of him. c) Literally 1 minute before EOD I came in and realised that Dennis was being quite towny, and tried to hammer Wilgy over him, but observed Wilgy literally UNVOTE Dennis, which simultaneously to me moving from Dennis to wilgy changed the VC from 4-3 Dennis lead to 3-2 Wilgy lead. So I quickly put my Dennis vote back because CLEARLY mafia Wilgy has absolutely no benefit whatsoever to taking that risk.

So on point c. I really don't see how Wilgy is ever mafia. Everything else just further confbiases my Kate/SVS solve I'm afraid.

I am never getting to Porscha if it's them. And Neon feels fine.

The only other possibility is the one in which Kate/SVS are pocketed town/wolf with Scotty.

Well if that's your solve, you should be afraid because we are going to lose. I do think you're town, but I implore you to think outside the box. This team has been distancing and dancing around around each other like crazy. I just watched it happen in Meta and I've seen neon do it several times. Look at the baddie team in GOC, did crazy goofy shit to bus each other. I'm not asking you to side with my opinion but just that you keep an open mind and keep looking.

I SWEAR to you I am a vanilla civ.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:03 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:53 pm Riddle me this: how does Porscha have 218 posts and only voted in 2/4 days?
Show me a single Porscha wolf rand where she made 218 posts.
I don’t know Porscha’s wolf meta. I don’t usually deal with metas or remember them.

So you’re saying she’s volume cleared?
So again, that leaves us with WILGY and Neon. What am I missing here?
You just really wanna kill me huh?

@MacDougall, I liked your assoc between Kate/SVS, but is it not more likely that one W and is just comfy to have their buddy around?
wow wilgy! I also had this thought quite a lot earlier in the game! but mac insisted it is simply too unlikely!! even kate and svs themselves say they do not think it is possible!! but from my point of view I don't see why it can't be !!! like, teehee, I GET the argument but we are all human!!

I might be human but svs is a superhero, but still goofy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:36 pm Well Nutella and Dennis. Two dead town. Conspired to deduce Kate had green checked Nutella due to a post in which Kate cryptically stated "I feel like we should be listening to Nutella. Does anyone else feel that way?"

Pyxxy reacted there like the possibility could have been there.

I never said they conspired. I got brought into this weird scenario bc nutella seemed very civ and genuine to me and I said, maybe let's trust nutella. Dennis took thelat to kean I was hinting that I was a goofy cop. Nutella agree and accepted the green check. As soon as I read this, I clarified that I had no goofy info, just revised my read on nutella.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:36 pm My mind is not made up, mind you.

The mind is a mess of dots and firing synapses and multiple realities

Goofy goodness!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:34 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
the Scotty Kate team theory continues. WOOP WOOP.

Let us not forget this gem of a goofy post.

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