The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Urge to modkill the next player who acts me a stupid question rising...

MP why did you kill trice

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to vote for Trice to make the penis nine inches long.

Is that what happens after he dies?

only if you're into that sort of thing

DAY 1: Something Story Related

Character says some things

Trice is handsome

Something Something Fight Etc

TRICERTATOPSOIL IS DED. HE WAS THE BEST OF US, HE WAS THE BLURST OF US.

YOU HAVE TWENNYFOUR HOURS TO TURN IN YOUR NIGHT STUFF

Can't tell, she's indecisive but also new to mafia

get me that ribbon

It's a shame civs, you are losing out on a really helpful role here hope you can smarten up and still pull through

Epignosis wrote:I want to vote for Trice to make the penis nine inches long.

pic related

^ sick bandwagon jump, way to totally prove him wrong

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, just finished catching up. I feel really weird about TH. not weird like I want to lunch him but weird like he wants to be lynched. I don't like this. He is so far out of character for himself or most established mafia players that it feels like he either wants it or is not afraid of it. I'mnot voting TH.

I'm not voting Epi either, despite what felt like weird stuff against me, his logic seems really sound to me.

I would consider a vote for either FZ or Trice right now. FZ seems kind of all over the place, which does not seem in character. And trice has been caught snipping post and misrepresenting them. That is hardly civ behavior.

I'm voting Trice.

Linki I will catch up after my post....

I went over this like 10 times... I misrepresenting nothing. Not a thing was misrepresented. Aceofspades CLAIMS I misrepresent him because it's the only way he can save face after being called out for baddie self-preserving behavior. You will see.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

it is really hard to get a read on the huge number of people who have barely participated other than to come along and say "I vote somebody because somebody else made a good case," though

Since it looks like I'm getting lynched today - there will be a whole lot of "I told you so" when ace, bwt, TH, and possibly blackrock and DH turn up baddie. Callin' it now

linki - zomba - are you shitting me? I didn't say that at all

35 minutes left and 15 missing votes

juliets wrote:Trice I made an assumption about your answer, i.e., that you had to give a reason that didn't fit the question I was asking because you had not gone back and looked after you said you would. But just so there is no misunderstanding going forward, please clarify. I can't change my vote but maybe it will stop others from voting for you.

what

You asked if I had done this. I said no I have not. The reason I did not is that it would involve reading 20 pages of thread, but I already know aceofspades is probably bad from his behaviour following that point. Aceofspades also completely abandoned all those ideas immediately after mentioning them, so for all I know he just randomly pulled thoughts from other posters - meaning they likely have no connection to him and there is no point figuring out who it was.

It's pretty straightforward.

Here I thought you were confused about one of my other posts, not that

So far the votes against me are: 1 randomized, 2 probable baddies, and one non-participant. I hope the rest of y'all get around to voting for an actually baddie soon

juliets wrote:Trice, I don't really understand what you are saying because your post refers to the past so supposedly aces had already pulled things from people who voted Light/L. I have to also add though that I thought Aces reasoning about baddies voting normal lynch made some sense to me and though I haven't yet I will take another look at who those people who voted that option. Not saying I totally believe it but his reasoning was solid I felt.

I went back and read both yours and Aces posts and came out of that experience feeling sure you had misrepresented what Aces said - several times in fact. I feel like Aces summed it all up when he said:

AceofSpaces wrote:Here is my Tl;dr

Trice started this day making a bunch of fluff post, then when I said I was suspicious of him he wigged out and responded in a manner consistent with mafia members (over defensive, using flimsy evidence to try and discredit me, taking my post out of context to conjure up a poor case)

Though I would prefer you took the time to read the whole case. I put a lot effort into it.

I did note in reading that you had some posts that weren't fluff posts proceeding his calling you out but there were enough fluff posts to make me uneasy.

My read is that you are bad and even though the evidence might not be overwhelming it's what I've got for today.

Voting Trice

It's interesting that you admit to not understanding my point, but instead of asking for clarification you just vote for me immediately

boo wrote:

Matahari wrote:And facts and logic are wasted on me, they too can be manipulated. So, going on the feels...

Facts can be manipulated?!

#justtumblrthings

juliets wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:If that's the best case you can come up with, you're not going to manage to lynch a civ today like you so badly want to

What?

I defend myself from DH/him, and at the same time level my own accusations, he responds by saying "im gonna lynch u now" instead of defending himself, what are you asking about? Aceofspades is:

L/Light supporter
low poster
sharing other people's ideas exclusively - without even going back to the original "suspicious" posts

it's not concrete but it's multiple pings - lynching baddies consistently is about either an obvious slip (there have been none yet by anybody) or behaviour recognition over the course of several days.

If I have time this evening I'll read back through the thread and determine which people aceofspades is pulling theories from (be nice if he had used quotes instead of barely rephrasing) - if they are similarly L/Light supporters with other pings, I'm probably on to something here.

As I said before, keeping an eye on people who do something isn't remotely the same thing as lynching somebody for doing something - which is what DH and AceOfSpades are bother trying to do. The game isn't the simplistic - not if you want to win. Flag it and continue playing, vote the players with the most flags.

Tricer did you ever do this? I did not see anything about it in your posts.

I didn't bother because his suspicion of me (taken directly from DH originally) was the only one he mentioned even a single other time this game.

BWT - I don't see why I'm "latching onto him" by discussing tons of things, but he's not "latching onto me" by making 80% of his posts about me. I didn't even vote for him.

well kiras wanting yotsuba to look like good guys makes no tactical sense whatsoever, so probably the first one

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

boo wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yeah, I'm glad I held off on my vote. I don't think we should be lynching llama today.

Are you going to vote TH?

I was, but I would vote someone else to save llama at this point, depending on the someone else.

Save him when he has a total of 3 votes, 1 of which was (at least claimed to be) accidental? Reaching just a little bit there.

Good point, I guess I should vote now and cross my fingers.

You all should be voting TH, not llama.

Agreed that llama is probably good, and I already laid out my reasons for wanting to vote TH. Ace can wait, as I said he's not as big of a threat to the detective cause right now.

well yeah we already know that your suspicion of llama is based on nothing at all, but that doesn't make your reasoning any more sound

Epignosis wrote: No, I don't think Russ is two different roles. I think he is one or the other. I was just answering Ricochet's questions in order.

I've gotta say, I read the synopsis of that episode in question, and I think this particular lore link is tenuous at best. But there has to be some reason Russ doesn't post.

and again, going back, the point of it was emphatically not the content of her two day0 posts, but the fact that she was in the thread on at least 3 separate occasions during day0 but still claimed that she was "too busy"

But I left it alone it because it's only a minor thing and she hasn't done anything suspicious since

Rico, the point was that despite writing an entire page of "analysis," for both of those posts, the conclusion and closing statement she offered for both of them was still "I can't decide." I've seen you claim that she clearly supported L/Light more in her analysis, but I never saw her claim that. But why does it matter? I evaluated a possible angle, and discarded it.

FZ. wrote:BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

It's also weird that the only reason she offered for voting me was that I am "shifting focus on a separate group" whatever that means.

Ricochet wrote:Finally finished catching up after being away for two and a half hours. Took me only 30 minutes.

The harrowing part is that I should re-read one more time the Ace-Trice banter, because Trice is still probably my top candidate today (D0 behaviour + a few things on D1 that binged me like charging spacedaisy by stripping all her posts/behaviour of contest and a few instance of misrepresenting Ace's views in his banter with him; he's fighting to the bitter end with him, alright, but I think it's more than a opposite-spectrum feud between them and I still suspect Trice more than seeing Ace hunting with an agenda).

Snowman also really pinged me today if he seriously believes this is a game where nothing has happened so far and not much can be made to suspect anyone so far. In contrast to Bass (whose vote and the fact that he called it random is more damning, while his lack of activity isn't as much), Russ or others, he's liekly my profile of baddie skimming everything and wanting to lay low right now.

christ @ amount of linki

note that I didn't actually accuse spacedaisy of anything, I merely said "if you follow rob's train of thought, here's the quotes backing it." I haven't mentioned daisy as a suspicion since that point at all.

I still hold firm that I haven't misrepresented anything ace said. I strongly believe that he is claiming that because he doesn't appreciate his baddie motivations being noticed and called out.

Facts remain:
-Ace doesn't think L/Light Day 0 vote is a valid reason to be suspicious of anybody when he voted for it, and he claims baddies lay low while making uncharacteristic efforts to not lay low. Textbook self-preservation.
-I am literally the only person that Ace has analyzed or actively harbored suspicions for, whereas I am noting suspicions everywhere else while explaining my case on him. I want baddies dead, he just wants me dead, otherwise he would be participating in the discussions around Russ and TH and Epignosis and anybody else.


linki - I'll wait and see how many more times BWT changes his mind before I think about it too much

FZ. wrote: I don't know what to think about Trice and Aces, because everyone seems to see Trice as bad, and maybe I'm missing something.

Not really, 3-4 people at most have actually said they think I'm bad. Like I said earlier, all ace has to do is repeat the same lie long enough for people to start believing it. Note that bass (at least claims to have) randomized onto me.

I've been asking more questions because ace gave up responding to me, so I can focus on more important things - finding all the other baddies too. As I outlined before, somebody with a total one track mind like aceofspades this game isn't so much of a threat to the detective cause. It appears to me that detectives don't need to be alive to win, so if my death is what it takes for the other civs to listen to me, it's for the best.

Nothing personal but I don't see why anybody would bother trying to flatter one person, in a game of 27 what is that going to accomplish?

boo - I don't know about BWT. I've played a lot of a games with him and it seems to me he is almost always behaving like this, regardless of alignment. So it's hard to tell. He almost always jumps around suspicions seemingly randomly

thellama73 wrote: A large part of the game of mafia (at least as I perceive it) is detecting baddies through their behavior. Odd behavior does not necessarily mean they are bad, but it is often a clue. Detecting minor discrepancies is one of the most valuable tools in the civvie utility belt.

echoing this part in particular in case the 2 times I've said it this game weren't enough

question - what are the odds that TH actually tries to help lynch baddies over the next (however many days he is alive)? If he's going to just vote for whoever without any justification every day, I'll be voting him

FZ - You think his normal civvy games consists of, essentially, refusing to contributing in a meaningful fashion to the lynch efforts, but also that he's a smart player? (no offense TH ;o)

FZ - linki - I don't see anybody who I would describe as trying to get lynched in this game, TH maybe depending on your interpretation of his posts

FZ. wrote: I thought that TH's early vote was a big hint to him being baddie, but when I saw that he basically has no reason to vote like he did, I changed my mind and started thinking that his behaviour is not related to his alignment but to something else I have no idea what. So yeah, at least for the moment, that big sign for me became null

You think that voting without even the slightest attempt at justification is civvy behaviour?

FZ. wrote:Oh, and can I just say this whole back and forth between Trice and Aces has lost its charm We get it, you're both suspicious of one another. Raise your hand anyone who is still reading their posts to one another

(raises hand)

^ the above in response to aceofspades

it's not misquoting. If baddies won't vote for L/Light, then by extension civs must have been the ones voting for it - according to your logic. A child could make that connection. Who the hell else would be voting it? Somebody voted for it.

I know that at this point you aren't going to argue, it's because you still have nothing of value to accuse me of.

Oh another funny thing aceofspades, you have posted several times about how baddies lay low, but you are exclusively targeting somebody who is not laying low at all - and you are also making a lot of effort this game to not lay low yourself (against your character, a couple people have pointed out). There are so many logical inconsistencies there I don't know where to begin... but I think the main takeaway is that once again, as with the day 0 vote, you are trying to claim that baddie behavior is whatever you don't do

DH - it has absolutely nothing to do with the game, I've got 12 of these moustache pictures and can't pick which one I like best. MM - it's not actually a sketch of my face

Turnip Head wrote: [*]Day 3: post pictures of yourself eating spaghetti. Cardio.

TIL eating spaghetti is cardio

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Does trice always change his avatar this frequently?

I can't answer this because aces will continue to claim that I only post jokes

thellama73 wrote:For anyone considering joining me in my vote for TH, let the record show that he has said 1) he thinks Russ is likely a baddie; 2) he doesn't want Russ to be lynched "until there can be no doubt"; 3) Russ' behavior tomorrow will fail to remove all doubt.

Essentially, he want to leave someone he thinks is bad alive indefinitely.

That and, if he's going to vote randomly with no justification every day, even if he's a civ he's a detriment to the civ cause. It sounds bad for me to point that out, but it's true.

I will note that the detective team does not say anything about being alive in the win conditions, so if TH is a baddie good but if he's a civ it barely makes a difference if he's not going to help us lynch baddies

1. gladly:

AceofSpaces wrote: So given all that, why the hell would a baddie vote for L/Light lynches? That's a stupid move for them and the exact opposite of laying low. It makes much more sense to look at the people voting for normal lynches and/or the people tossing their votes away on options that clearly wont win.

2. I don't mean the flip to looking at me, I mean the flip from careful (if flawed) analysis of the options on day 0, to shifty eyes and wildly pointing fingers on day 1
3. I still see no real case. You've tried to add on "misrepresenting you" (which I'm not doing) in addition to posting too fast or whatever, but even if that were the case it hardly makes me bad

But for all that, I'm leaning at least as much into a TH vote as an aceofspades vote. I think ace is bad but if he is fixating on me exclusively, he can't do much harm to the rest of the detectives. Who knows, his team might even be so mad that they waste their NK on me. TH on the other hand, is apparently completely unwilling to offer any explanation for his vote, like he's not even trying to find baddies


linki - thanks MM, saves me the trouble of constantly trying to find posts-in-thread links from some of the low posters

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I mean, it truly would remove any doubt if Russ starts posting insanified posts for day 2

Not really.

Mata is right. If Russ starts posting insanified posts on Day 2, we cannot rule out that another player targeted him with this ability to make him appear more suspicious. If that happens, we would need to observe him on Day 3 as well.

Well if you think he's bad now but would not have you mind changed if he continues to have apparent posting challenges, why bother waiting to lynch him? If it's because you don't want to lynch him at all, why bother bringing it up at all?

AceofSpaces wrote:For those looking for the spark notes version of why Trice should be lynched today, I'll present you with the main points.

1. During the day 0 poll Trice made a remark that, I believe, was meant to divert attention to a large group of possible scape goats while Trice remained under the radar.
2. The majority of Trice's post thereafter were joke post, without any real content or effort to contribute. Once again reinforcing the idea that he wanted to fly under the radar. It was only after I brought him up as a suspect that he became active.
3. I mentioned my suspicion of Trice twice at the beginning of day 1. Once in an outline of my starting thoughts for the day, and again in a short response to Trice in which I pointed out he was relying on the "no u" style of defense. After these mentions, Trice has grown increasingly defensive.
4. Rather than defending himself, he has resorted to misquoting me and accusing me, or anyone else who finds him suspicious, of being mafia. He's backed up his claims through blatant misrepresentation of what I've said.
5. He continues to ignore the evidence against him. Instead deciding it's best to dismiss my case as "a joke".

So in summery, he is behaving exactly as any mafia who's been caught and called out would behave.

1. How many times do I have to go over this? Lynching baddies consistently requires pattern recognition. As I've already explained ad-nauseum, L/Light voting would have been almost guaranteed to favour the kira team, and therefore one of the "flags" to look for in people is that they voted for it. That is not even remotely the same thing as trying to divert attention exclusively to those voters, as you are constantly trying to claim
2. That's an outright lie
3. 80% of your post content since day 1 started focuses exclusively on me. If you can handle the kitchen, stay out of glass houses. I've responded to your unhealthy fixation on me in a reasonable way - by pointing out the numerous inconsistencies in your posts.
4. I don't see how explaining the underlying logic of your faulty arguments qualifies as misquoting you. I don't believe I've misrepresented anything you've said, but the only response you actually offer to any of my accusations is "no u" - while simultaneously trying to claim that's what I'm doing
5. WHAT EVIDENCE? The "case" which you said you put tons of effort into, literally consisted of a) trice made two posts less than a minute apart clarifying his word choice and b) I think these three random posts trice made were useless fluff

So in summary, you've still completely ignored my last 2 posts about you. I think it's because you have no response, because you know I'm right.

wonder if TH just didn't know where to put his suspicions and did a throwaway vote. Llama is one of the people that seems ok to me, nobody else seems to really be targeting him either

linki - FZ - do you think so? To the Kira it should not matter if they are depicted as good, because they can NK them either way. In fact it's better for the Kira if Yotsuba are treated as bad, because it dilutes the possible lynch target pool

Linki - LC - I haven't voted yet, there are still hours and hours left in the day

I should really start quoting the people I respond to, I am frequently not getting linki when there are posts before me

well there is the danger of yotsuba trying to lead lynches against civs instead of against Kiras

I mean, it truly would remove any doubt if Russ starts posting insanified posts for day 2

I can think of a few reasons for TH to not want to vote for somebody he thinks is bad

1) TH is bad and doesn't want to kill a teammate
2) TH is bad and knows that's not his teammate, but doesn't want to be involved with lynching a civ
3) TH threw out a random idea he doesn't even believe

anyone got other theories?

FWIW, I never made the connection before that the strict daily regimen thing would mean posting challenges, but it seems possible now that it's been pointed out

Turnip Head wrote:We must continue to observe his behavior until there can be no doubt.

That's a little weird.

Oh and nice work completely ignore everything I pointed to you there Ace. Who is going "no u" again?

Your entire game has been attacking a person who accused you, same thing you claim I'm doing. 9 out of 12 of your Day 1 posts are about me only, and one other is partially about me. Talk about a one track mind. You seem to be going to the ol' "if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth" strategy.

You are also vehement that L/Light voters cannot possibly be a place to look for baddie players, convenient enough since it's your vote

And the only real accusation you leveled at me is that I post too much too quickly, which makes me a baddie for... some reason?

Hope y'all don't buy the bandwagon attempt, let's actually lynch some baddies instead.

If my "defense" is "insubstantial" it's because it's only as strong as Ace's accusations

linki - hope the drive was nice

thellama73 wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:The only thing I see in roles that sounds like it could remotely have anything to do with no being able to post:
"As a shinigami, she cannot be harmed by humans, nor can (s)he be seen by humans who have not made contact with her Death Note"
Which both Ryuk and Rem have. But that could mean something entirely different (plus ofc there are buttloads of secrets.

Oh and if Epig thinks Russ might be Rem, the role sounds like it can't be lynched anyway
"cannot be harmed by humans"

There are three Shinigami who have that in their role descriptions, but only one person has not posted, so I do not think the theory that Russ cannot post because he is a Shinigami is tenable.

That doesn't mean that there isn't another role mechanic keeping him from posting. There likely is.

Multiple people (at least 3 at a glance) have not posted at all since day 0, so it would depend on if the power was in effect day 0 as well. But yes, I see now you're right.

Either way, if epignosis believes Russ is either Rem or Misa because of the show's lore, that's a 50-50 shot at being unlynchable (if I'm correct about the role power)

S~V~S wrote:I disagree, a spread out non focused vote is more likely to net a civvie, IMO.

It is my experience that the very vocal players are more likely to lynch each other than blendy middle of the pack players. But normally, we have a group that can play a fairly aggressive BSD game. But with these mechanics I think fading back s bit the first few days while the thread is distracted by all the one on one would be a pretty effective strstegy for baddies.

Isn't that what I said yesterday? The baddies are probably all sitting there and laughing while civs try to kill each other, ensuring a baddie victory

The only thing I see in roles that sounds like it could remotely have anything to do with no being able to post:
"As a shinigami, she cannot be harmed by humans, nor can (s)he be seen by humans who have not made contact with her Death Note"
Which both Ryuk and Rem have. But that could mean something entirely different (plus ofc there are buttloads of secrets.

Oh and if Epig thinks Russ might be Rem, the role sounds like it can't be lynched anyway
"cannot be harmed by humans"