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thellama73 wrote: I can has banner?

how in butts did we win? :0

is there a banner?

rip in pizza

Gotcha.

I guess I can't rule rico being bad, but I don't believe he is hunger/epig's teammate - which is what we were discussing earlier

*but maybe overdoing it, not by

How many games has rico played? He's new here, right? He seems well-intentioned by maybe overdoing it a bit on the theorycrafting. Here's what I said about rico earlier when SVS accused him:

triceratopzeuhl wrote: Why does it ping you? All he is doing is listing possibilities for epig surviving the lynch.

Do you really think that if he was epig's partner, he would outright tell you about a secret power that the team gets? I think that's absurd. It's pretty clear he is just making a guess

I've also got to agree with Rico that your (SVS's) abrupt change of opinion on voting early is suspect. Seems like opportunism following by rationalization hamstering here:
S~V~S wrote: Linki, yeah, on Day One when there had not been days of discussion, lol. I love changeable votes, as of now I am pretty sure and at this time I want to put my money where my mouth is. I can always realign my investments at a later time, though.

unless he has the secret power "when you get lynched all civvies die lel," I don't see what the issue is. If he doesn't want to play he's going to hinder more than he helps even if he's civ - but I think he's bad anyway

LC still won't explain any of his suspicions, and be being intentionally obtuse, and therefore gets my vote again.

or LC has given up trying to make arguments and is just going to post random irrelevant things from now on

hm, maybe we can settle one unknown factor

Roxy, what would happen in the event of a lynch vote tie?

Zomberella12 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Fine, vote for me then.
IMO civs shouldn't ever give up a defense...so then the question becomes, are you a civ or aren't you?

It's not uncommon for some of the more stubborn people out there to let themselves get lynched just to prove a point (i.e. the point that they are civ). To be fair, it's not necessarily not helping the team, because lynching a civ by accident will make us reevaluate the interactions so far and it can help solidify some opposing suspicions.

I don't think there are actively any powers that kick in after death, but rox also said she always has secret roles so that's a possibility too.

Long Con wrote:S~V~S is sketchy to me. I think Rico is a fine fellow. *votes S~V~S*

It would be great to get a bit more info on why you believe this.

thellama73 wrote:I'd also note that, if Rico is on a civ team, he should have thre people defending him. SO far we've only seen Long Con. To me, that means he is either a baddie or Levinah Murphy.

How many players haven't posted yet this day cycle?

Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I think both SVS and LC are playing their civvie game, but they have both fooled me before.
This is what my Civvie game looks like?

Um, are you trying to say that you aren't civvie?

fingersplints wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Was there a 1 vote difference? If Margaret Reed was one of the voters for LC it could have been made into a tie as well.
Though we don't even know if rox would void the lynch due to a tie result, in the games I've played a more common thing is randomize or to just lynch both of them
last I saw before I feel asleep was 6 epi 5 LC. I'm fairly confident that Rox wouldn't void a lynch as a result of a tie. I've only ever seen one host do that (Epi) and I have not ever seen Rox do that in all the games I have played of hers and hosted with her.

That's good to know, thanks

S~V~S wrote:Why didn't you post that before?
I am going to vote for you at this time. I think Llama made some good points, and this post:
Ricochet wrote:It's true that we don't know what the Host would do in case of a tie, but it's still an option. As you've said, the easy interpretation is that Margret Reed was a LC voter and thus brought it back to a tie. The subtle interpretation is that Epignosis had a secret power preventing him altogether from being lynched. Due to the complementary nature of the Weather/Hunger forces, a guess would be something like "neither of them can be day lynched as long as the other is alive".

Another guess, but without fully knowing if this can actually be true from the rules, would be that their protections extend to or are in effect on the Day. So Hunger opted on N0 to protect Epignosis (since killing was not allowed) and the protection ran through Day 1. Thus, Epignosis nonchalantly didn't mind the lynch train he himself set and that is also what he meant by the "I can read" part: "You can decide whether to let someone starve to death on even nights or protect Weather." The starving part is basically a night kill, but the protection could in fact take place outside the Night phase.
...seriously pinged the living daylights out of me.

Why does it ping you? All he is doing is listing possibilities for epig surviving the lynch.

Do you really think that if he was epig's partner, he would outright tell you about a secret power that the team gets? I think that's absurd. It's pretty clear he is just making a guess

I've also got to agree with Rico that your (SVS's) abrupt change of opinion on voting early is suspect. Seems like opportunism following by rationalization hamstering here:

S~V~S wrote: Linki, yeah, on Day One when there had not been days of discussion, lol. I love changeable votes, as of now I am pretty sure and at this time I want to put my money where my mouth is. I can always realign my investments at a later time, though.

Was there a 1 vote difference? If Margaret Reed was one of the voters for LC it could have been made into a tie as well.

Though we don't even know if rox would void the lynch due to a tie result, in the games I've played a more common thing is randomize or to just lynch both of them

MovingPictures07 wrote: Yes, true, but if everyone from each civilian group comes in and says "Epi isn't on my team!", then it means Epi has to be bad, or someone has to be lying.

What you and LC said isn't role outing, but it's info dumping, which can be a bit of a grey area.

To be entirely fair, literally anybody regardless of actual alignment could just say "I'm civvie so don't lynch me." Baddies do it all the time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama, the first player that comes to mind that defending Epi was Trice.

I'd also like to add that I said I would gladly eat my words.

Did we reach a solid conclusion on why epig didn't get lunched? Was anybody around to save the poll results? Last I saw it, epignosis was up by 2 votes so do we know that LC and him tied in the poll?

Hunger's power doesn't sound like it could protect Weather from lynch, only from nk (I could be wrong, but it does specify "on even nights")

thellama73 wrote:This poll ends at 7 pm on a Friday. I have a feeling not a lot of people will be around (party!), leaving ample opportunity for deceptive last minute vote switching. Very troubling.

Given that it ended at 5:00 pm on a friday in my time zone, not only am I drunk but I was still eating dinner at a pub

eeeenteresting

I'm going to be heading for bed right away and probably won't be back on before the lynch, so I'm going to go ahead and vote LC. Doesn't look like he'll be lunched anyway.

If Rob ends up bad I will gladly eat my words

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:@ MP - What ever happened to your signaling plan? Or did that get dumped in the great infodumping scandal of 2015?
Well, I'll likely abandon the mechanism I constructed since I believe it would be technically infodumping.

We'll just have to see how this switching thing pans out and go from there, I'm thinking.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I'm honestly not a fan of the ability to change your vote, too many weak psychological games all trying to go on at the same time.

Since dom is out, I'm torn between long con, sockface, and svs. All this attack on epig doesn't sit right with me. I don't think he's bad.
Why me? I think I've been fair with my vote on Epi, but if you think I've been unfair, I'll hear you out. Now that it appears he's moved his vote off of himself, I am contemplating whether I want to switch it, but I don't know -- I'm sticking with it still for now.

Why don't you think he's bad?

Eh on re-read (just now) you weren't as accusatory to epi as I thought. My initial impressions were that you had been really reaching in your exchange earlier, but I must have missed this bit:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Now if you had handled the situation differently, and actually fought instead of giving up, I surely wouldn't be accusing you of not baddie hunting. And of course there are others who haven't baddie hunted either.

Which I kind of agree with. So I dunno.

As for Rob, I don't think he's bad because he seems totally in character for Rob. He might have a better than average poker-mafia making him hard to read, but this whole nonchalant smarmy thing is so him and I don't think he's hiding anything.

to clarify, I don't know if I think LC is bad but I really didn't like this

Long Con wrote:Epig's not on my Civvie team either.

I'm honestly not a fan of the ability to change your vote, too many weak psychological games all trying to go on at the same time.

Since dom is out, I'm torn between long con, sockface, and svs. All this attack on epig doesn't sit right with me. I don't think he's bad.

can somebody remind me what ebwop stands for

about what you think I'm confused about **

(sentence is still terrible that way hah)

Zomberella12 wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Russ and FZ, your comments don't give me info one way or another. I suspect that this may be because you are letting others in your group do all the talking...
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Not a dig. I just mean that I think that you might actually be in a civie group.

PornStar, I wonder if you are maybe acting confused to earn sympathy? Things that make you go hmm.....

Sorry I missed this before. I'm not confused about what you think I'm confused. I'm confused about how we are supposed to legitimately identify baddies. Generally it takes, I would say, 3-4 days to start to get a read on people, to evaluate the nightly goings-on and the lynch votes etc, and to start lynching baddies consistently. But in this game, the roles could all just flip on us after that period and we'd be back at square one.

That's what I'm confused about.

Zomberella12 wrote: Llama seems pretty upset about posting who's in what BSCG with who. I get that it's against the rules but he seems overly upset about it. Perhaps that's his nature, but it seems to me that a civie wouldn't really worried about that kind of information getting out because it would be protective. However, who else would make such a brazen attack on Epig and MP via the message from Mrs. Donner? I'll wait to see how he reacts to this comment.

Maybe he just wants to play a fair and proper game?? I know I do.

I'm not going to vote for Rob even if he might be bad, because (as I said earlier) the "I'm a civ and he's not in my btsc" just ruins the game

I thought I needed to vote now since I'll likely be gone this evening, but I just noticed that poll is 48 hours so woohoo for that.

If Long Con is telling the truth we shouldn't lunch him, but I'm of the opinion that his post is incredibly scummy and possibly rule-breaking

another possibility is that rox told us roles will switch around just to mess with our minds, and it will never actually happen

I don't see a difference between 2 and 3, practically.

I don't agree with 1, rather than people we definitely need to focus on eliminating non-civ roles or we will be screwed come endgame

4 is a valid point but has a lot of potential to be the same as 1, and screw us over in late game

I'm still confused

S~V~S wrote:
I do not wish to be lunched, I am a vegetarian and no threat to anyone

And yeah, Russ wanting to lunch his presumably civ teammates makes me wonder if they are indeed not civs.

Don't you know that herbivores taste much better and carnivores or omnivores?

I figured he was just goofing off

that statement somehow seems that much worse with my avatar

I could go for some nice tender young newbie flesh

S~V~S wrote:You taste like calf testicles?

I thought those were called prairie oysters. There are not a lot of cattle in the rocky mountains

I voted O because it makes the best smiley of the choices

:O

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to vote I. Is it just me, or is it going to be really hard to catch baddies if the baddies are always changing?

Yeah, between this and the scrabble stuff I can already tell I'll be more confused than normal this game

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