I was originally on the side of JJJ in his ISO/case against INH. Especially since to me, it looked like INH was going after Matt's playstyle and philosophy instead of the actual case being made. I was considering re-reading INH today to see if I could justify voting for him, and then he dropped this post:
I completely understand Point #1. I was gone from here for almost 6 months and came back to find quite a few new players from other mafia sites who are used to different cultures and attitudes on certain aspects of the game that seem very antithetical to me. So it takes me some time to get used to something new like that.insertnamehere wrote:Sorry for being absent for the last 24 or so hours. This is the part of the game that really fucking gets to me and stresses me out to frankly completely unreasonable levels. It's also why, over time, I've come to prefer the more "avant-garde" games that take more liberal interpretations of the mafia ruleset. Hell, my favorite game I've ever been in was Llama's Oblique Strategies where I tried to convince the "mafia" to out themselves so that everyone could win. And it almost worked.
I'm gonna keep this simple.
1. I was gone from the site for about a year and a half. I came back about a month ago. There are a lot of new players with new strategies who I don't know, and they don't know me.
2. I learned about a strategy that I haven't really seen widely used and accepted. I didn't have a very high opinion of this strategy, and I thought it was utterly unhelpful to the civilians. Yes, maybe it worked in past games that I didn't play, but that's all anecdotal to me.
3. I made jokes about that strategy and the person who used it. They weren't, in my opinion, mean-spirited or cruel, and were more like me poking fun while communicating my opinion. If I was unreasonably elaborate with my jokes, that's because I'm the type of person who will take a dumb comic premise and run with it. Also, I was bored.
If I think something is unhelpful to the civilian cause, I'm going to say so, and I'm going to advise that we don't play into it.
Once again, I wasn't trying to say that Matt, the person, was unreasonable and shouldn't be listened to, I just thought that some of his strategies were potentially harmful to the civilian cause.
To me at least, this conversation existed outside the context of the game. Maybe it's a conversation that should be better held in a separate thread. I guess I was naive.
I have my own interpretation of Point #2. I think the fact that there are a lot of inactives or low posters (pot kettle black here
) in a large game like this early on makes it much easier for baddies to hide. Especially when the better strategy is to overwhelm them with posts about almost anything and everything. Mountains of discussion are much harder for baddies to hide behind IMO. However, adding in that there are quite a few players here that I haven't ever played with or not played with much makes it harder for me to find my footing as well and start to contribute. So maybe part of that is just how I play the game and get used to it.Point #3 is really what made me turn the corner on INH. He was at least self-aware enough to realize why he got some backlash and was willing to explain where he was coming from. That, and INH is definitely a player with a unique sense or humor, which is something I appreciate about him.
I'm not sure what all of that accomplished, but I'm glad I put thoughts on something out there. So yeah, basically I do not think INH is bad.
