The Syndicate

YES!!! Congrats to our fellow civvies for this awesome win! I figured getting rid of Boogs would secure our victory, but I had an eye on BF just in case. Glad I didn't need to go that far, and I'm sorry I thought you were bad BF haha.

The other part llama forgot to mention is that our last-until-end-of-game win condition changed to only being able to win with a civvie victory if we found each other. Hence why I tried to play a more civvie-oriented game in case I found him. Honestly though, I thought SVS was the baby wolf because I think she was the first to mention that role (it was either the word "wolf" or "howl", I can't remember), so I figured she was trying to say something secretly in the thread. The night I checked her is the night llama checked me though, so it worked out. I was just glad I had stated that I thought llama was civvie beforehand.

As for Ambray being good, when she changed her mind on me after Russ flipped civvie, I knew almost immediately that she had to have been the potion. Because I knew some faulty info of some kind had blinded her to me, and it was the only role that could have made sense given the circumstances. And it's a shame too, because Boogs took it and ran with it in an attempt to get me lynched. If MP hadn't been insanified, it very well might have worked. Not to mention you might have ended up winning because of it. So congrats to you, Boogs. You played a heck of a game considering this is your first time ever playing mafia. Hopefully you stick around for more!

And lastly, thank you to llama. You were right about DP from Day 1, and I was starting to feel a bit lost in the game before you found me. Sometimes I tend to do better organizing my thoughts when I can bounce them off another person. So I'm glad you found me at the perfect time. And you're an awesome enough player that I hope we get BTSC again soon!

No sense in me holding my vote off when I'm not going to be changing my mind. Boogs it is, and if we're lucky the game will end with him gone. If not, then I think BF is the next place to look.

Votes Boogs

That should be "Linki", not "EBWOP". Sorry!

I'm not sure about which specific role is which anymore. This is what I think though: If SE was bad, then Boogs is probably Hero. If SE wasn't bad (and I'm starting to think there's a possibility he wasn't), then Boogs is bad and I would lean toward BF as the other possible baddie or Hero. But as to which is which, I think Boogs is Hero and BF is mafia.

I think we definitely need to lynch Boogs today. I think that will, at the very least, eliminate one of the kills.

EBWOP: No, llama and I are both quite civvie. I'm tired of this baloney coming from both of you.

@BF: If we lynched Boogs and he flipped baddie, then who would you suspect afterward?

RIPIYWG SE and MP. The first I don't think so, but the second I think definitely was.

Regardless of the events from last night, I am still leaning towards a vote for Boogs. So he will probably get my vote once again today. And if he game still isn't over by then, then I will have to find somewhere else to look at. Probably leaning toward BF on that one.

Also, after last night, I highly doubt MP was recruited.

EBWOP: No Boogs. I have definitive proof that MP was not a recruit. And hopefully today you will finally die.

I have an idea as to how some people might have gotten secret info. But it pertains to a certain role, and I can't say anything about it until end-game.

Roxy wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:And Alex, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I know you've been fairly mentally stressed lately what with the second part of the CPA and all, so I'm not blaming you for your thoughts being scrambled too much.
same goes for my "losing his crackers" comment. <3

I have read back on MP already Teeth. I have read back on each player that is left.

And from your re-read, you have determined that there is something very fishy going on with him, and/or that he could have possibly been recruited. I'm inclined to agree with you there, but I just want the opportunity to read back on him myself so I can form a stronger opinion on him. Because right now, I'm still leaning more strongly towards Boogs and SE.

I'm going to start now, but I probably won't be posting much about it until tomorrow because I have to leave for work soon.

And Alex, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I know you've been fairly mentally stressed lately what with the second part of the CPA and all, so I'm not blaming you for your thoughts being scrambled too much.

Roxy, I'm willing to give him the BOTD for now, but the fact he did a complete 180 on me (while insanified) does not sit well with me at all. I could see that being a plan that is worked out among baddie teammates. Until I re-read him though, I won't have a definitive answer. But it reeks of high heaven to me right now.

I suggest others read up on him as well. I would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on this as well. But for now, I agree that MP is just losing his marbles.

Hmmmmm....I do agree his behavior has seemed a bit different lately. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to look back on MP and see if there is something else going on with him.

thellama73 wrote:If MP really is the role he flipped as, I don't see how he can have all this specific information. It really concerns me.

Are you saying you think there's a possibility he's been recruited then?

YES! Fantastic lynch result! BIH DP!

I think this pretty much disproves my theory that BF is bad, since DP flipped bad. Because I figured Boogs and BF were teammates and, while I had some slight reservations about DP, I didn't think he was bad. So good job to llama too for going based on gut.

I think the case against SE seems fairly solid too. So I would bet that SE is the last baddie and Boogs is Hero. If Stevie is still alive, then he needs to target one of the two of them tonight and we can lynch the other tomorrow. And if we're right, it will be a civvie victory.

EBWOP: That's not true at all, Roxy. In Electronic Mafia, we had a situation where you and DP (my indy teammates) threw me under the bus in order to get some civvie cred. That and us protecting DP while self-targeting himself for a kill was a fantastic move as well. As well as us recruiting you. And ultimately it was one of the main things that helped us win that game. So no, you're more than willing to throw a teammate under the bus.

That being said though, I'm still leaning civvie toward you.

MP, why exactly are you so suddenly suspicious of me? Is it possible you've been recruited after all? Not to mention if you trust llama I don't see how you couldn't trust me. Oh, and please don't answer that until after the lynch is over.

I think DP and Boogs are the best candidates for this lynch. If you actually lynch me, then the game could very well be over.

I've read the full story. And I have come to the conclusion that Boogs is very likely bad. I don't see how lynching him helps Epig or his team however.

And unfortunately I've made up my mind. I'm willing to bet the outcome of this game at this point on Boogs.

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's wonderful, but yes, you lose the game.

Great. Now I lost the game. Thanks a lot!

So that list of myself, Boogs, and DP. Are you saying those are your top 3 suspicions? That's my guess at least. And if that is the case, I wouldn't mind hearing why you suspect me.

As for this lynch, I still feel pretty confident about Boogs. I think he's acting too much like a cornered baddie at this point, so that is where my vote is going (with crossed fingers of course). I'm also starting to think there is a very good chance he is Hero, and we really need to see a kill go away tonight or else the game could be over.

Votes Boogs

EBWOP: Nevermind. I worded that very poorly. I meant to say that Ambray thought I was Hero and had targeted her for a kill, then retracted that statement after Russ flipped civvie, and then I believe she briefly mentioned it again in the muddle of confusion from yesterday. But I'm not sure how much I should take away from that last one.

Nice try Boogs. You refuse to admit, in your own words, why I am bad other than because Ambray thought I was. Last I checked, she had retracted that statement and only recently considered the possibility that I could be Hero (which I'm not, and I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how I could be).

Also, nice No U there as well. If that's your best defense, then I'm pretty sure you are bad.

Alright. Here's what I came up with on my re-read of Boogs.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13582#p13582 This is where Boogs first brings up Snow Dog. To be honest, I was surprised it was as early as Day 1. I thought it wasn't until Day 2 or 3 that Boogs had tossed his name in there.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13610#p13610 Here he says he is suspicious of Snow Dog still, but throws llama into the mix. Given the whole SD/llama/Roxy fiasco, this looks like a whole bunch of very easy targets in retrospect.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13746#p13746 Here is his vote for Snow Dog. Mostly based on the fact that he feels SD had info on the Day 0 poll.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13752#p13752 Now THIS is the part of his vote I was looking for. He says he "re-read" and realized Snow Dog was pushing house, but still feels strong about casting his vote that way. This definitely pings me.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13903#p13903 Here he thinks the biggest possibility is that the sword switched the lynch. I highly doubted it back then but left it open as a possibility. After everything that's happened though, I think it's fairly obvious that the sword did not switch a lynch.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13947#p13947 Again, saying it's very likely the sword switched the lynch.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13984#p13984 More of the same.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14112#p14112 Here's another very eye-opening one. He name-drops llama very causally again (a little too casually if you ask me), and then says he thinks the whole Epig/Elo thing was just a wife defending her husband. But given that Epig was bad and there's a fairly good chance Elo was as well, I think Boogs knows something else and is trying to plant an idea in the thread that might not be true.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14217#p14217 This looks like Boogs is trying to cover his tracks after Epig starts getting more pressure and actual votes. He re-opens the idea of "Hey, maybe Epig and Elo COULD actually be bad..." but still votes for llama anyway.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14275#p14275 Another push for looking at Snow Dog and llama.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14421#p14421 Wait, you "still stand by thinking Elochin being Baddie"? This is your first time mentioning it as a definite, for-sure thing! You've completely done a 180 where you thought there was a possibility of them being bad, but not likely, to suddenly Elo is bad. No explanation as to why either. Also, he thinks Russ could be odd, but manages to twist that suspicion back on Snow Dog.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14542#p14542 Now Boogs votes Russ here saying he'll "be busy", but offers no concrete explanation as to why he is voting Russ. This feels too much like a drive-by vote.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14587#p14587 Your RIP doesn't feel very genuine here. Especially given that you gave almost zero reason for your vote for Russ.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14836#p14836 Of course you're going to pick Snow here. You've been subtly pushing for him the entire game! Oh, and posts like these make me think we need to look at BF a bit closer if Boogs gets lynched and comes back baddie. I've seen some slight defending from both of them this game, and not just in the "because they are a couple" way.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=15068#p15068 Here he attempts to justify his reason for voting Snow Dog twice, but there's too much evidence against him for it to seem valid. He also mentions me. Trying to subtly get another civvie lynched I see?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=15076#p15076 Okay, but why do you think I'm bad? You haven't given any reason yet. Actually, you never really gave a reason for anyone you've voted for. Have you? Also, the only possibility I see that both Boogs and DP are bad is if one of them is Hero.

In conclusion, I would like to thank FH for mentioning Boogs and pulling a few quotes. Because I think there is a VERY strong possibility that Boogs is a baddie and that he will be getting my vote today. Also, I think if Boogs flips bad, that we need to seriously consider looking at BF. Because they could be teammates given the subtle defending I've seen going on. I didn't pull all those quotes so going back and re-reading Boogs would be beneficial for a lot of us.

Edit: Tons of linki

Hmmmmm....FH has brought up some very interesting points on Boogs. Going to go back and re-read his posts again to see if anything sticks out.

Also, someone really needs to explain this theory of how I could be bad. Because I haven't seen much of an explanation for it (unless I missed it).

Just got home from my girlfriend's house. I'm about to go to bed, but I will leave most of you with this when you wake up tomorrow.

I am a civvie. Llama has very good reason to suspect I am a civvie. I would also be willing to vouch for llama being one of the few, and for now possibly the only person, I would be willing to trust in this game. I would be willing to sacrifice myself to prove it (but obviously I can't. Plus I'd rather have a chance to defend myself).

I really think for the next lynch, we need to be taking a hard look at people who have been blendy for almost the entire game, and possible even start considering low posters. I think we're far enough into the game that those could be worthwhile suspicions. Plus it doesn't take that long to read up on someone who has hardly been around to post much.

Basically, I think for the next lynch, we need to be examining an entirely different angle. Or starting over from a clean slate. And if you all decide to lynch myself or llama, then I can guarantee the game WILL for all practical purposes be over for the civs.

Alright. I think I can safely say that I have no clue what is going on anymore.

I'm going to read up a bit more tonight and do some more tomorrow before work. Hopefully it will end with voting for a baddie.

Edit: What the....how could I be Hero?

Son of a....RIP Snowie!

This absolutely sucks. I had a lot riding on Snow Dog being bad, and now that he's not, I feel like I need to go back and read up on how I feel about everyone left in the game. Because I get the feeling that there's a very good chance we're going to see 2 civvies die tonight. And IMO, if we don't get a baddie lynched tomorrow, then I would say it's pretty much game over for the civs.

I will pay extra attention to BF however. That might be a good place to look at for the next lynch. But I think it would be worthwhile for everyone to go back and look at every other player in the game. It might take that for the civvies to pull this off.

Also, I am still awaiting Ambray's answer to my question. That could affect how my feelings shift as well.

EBWOP: Alright. That's understandable. But I am curious as to how MP "has thrown a spanner in my works". What do you mean by that?

And as for Roxy, I have no clue. I always feel like I can't ever read her. So I'm not leaning one way or the other on her.

Sorry I haven't been around today! I find it a biy odd that there hasn't been much discussion since last night. Seems a bit strange to me.

Won't be posting much until later tonight. The weather is beautiful right now so spending today with friends outside on an off day. I'm leaning most strongly toward Snow Dog for today so that is where my vote is going. I still think llama is civ since I haven't seen evidence that makes me think both him and Epig could be bad. Ambray I am unsure of but leaning civvie right now. I think her case against me is odd and I would prefer to see her response to my question before I make any further judgements. But that is where I am standing.

Votes Snow Dog

But why do you think I am Herobrine? That's the part I don't get. Can you explain why?

As for your post, Ambray, I'm not going to pull the full thing up because there's only a few points I want to make there. Plus it's about halfway down page 25 if anyone is interested in going back to see it.

I'm mostly going to be referring to the last quote of mine you pulled. I'm not sure why you left off the next post from me that came after that. Because I think that clarified my position much more. I said that while I left the possibility of a civvie lynch switch saving Epig open, I didn't think it was very likely given the other evidence that had been presented. I've also said that I don't think both llama and Epig were bad, as some people seemed keen to believe. With Epig flipping baddie, I thought (and still think) that there is a possibility that llama was framed. So I am leaning civvie on him.

I'm not sure if you're twisting my word intentionally, if you didn't understand what I was saying, or if you just happened to have blinders on and thought you had found a baddie where one didn't exist. I'm still leaning civvie on you, and I don't really think you misunderstood me, so I'm leaning toward the last reason. I do have one question for you though: Now that Russ has been confirmed as a civvie, does that change your opinion on me any?

I'm done for now unless someone wants me to address something I missed or there are additional questions for me.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Once again. There is no check to his season. I'm a man.

This one I actually remember exactly: "Oh wow. That vote post is hilarious. One of the best posts ever."

Yes, 'one of the best posts ever' became 'I'm a man.'

birdwithteeth11 wrote:After a few days. Sister site insanified.

Voice of Russia today, especially in the case of rugaszkodtak click Start EPIGNWS Comet (DC). Note: If you don't know, I don't know, but it's bad Elohcin and asked why, and his team think the thought that Epignos.

A score of Russia

Here I'm explaining that I'm voting Russ because I think there's a possible connection between him and Epig, which looks like he might be bad. I also feel it is possible that Elohcin is his teammate.

And yes, the bold part was supposed to say *Votes Russ*. I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe when I got that finished translation.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ambray wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Oh BWT.

I'm going to sleep now. But come tomorrow? Be prepared for me to come after you hard.
You think BWT is baddie here, really? I mean, I wondered about him once early on, but I don't know.
He said that the money was very good. Reduce the amount is still our King is a hero.

EBWOP: But not for me. He said: well, there is reason to believe that the two oldest EPIGNWS. I told you to stop now, to stop this policy. Please do not hesitate to contact me.

Basically I'm saying that I will reply fully to what Ambray is saying once I can post normally again. I also said I felt she was twisting my words or misinterpreting them.

I'll post about this more once I finish all my other quotes. Because I have a question for Ambray after I explain what I was saying.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Ambray wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Oh BWT.

I'm going to sleep now. But come tomorrow? Be prepared for me to come after you hard.
Here you can say? I never thought about it, but you will understand why.

Here I was mostly just confused why Ambray would want to go after me so hard when I was insanified, and couldn't properly respond to anything she was going to bring up.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Are you insanified, BWT? Your posts almost make sense, so maybe you're just drunk.
Yes, insanified.

A sudden attack. Very interesting move!

This one I wish I had copied down. I was saying something jokingly about being both drunk and insanified, but I can't remember what it was.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Ah..the spider got you.
As I'm happy.

Unfortunately, yes it did.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.

It appears to me that Ambray survived an kill attempt from Herobrine. I think (and still think) it would be worthwhile to go back and see if there is anyone that might want her dead. Because it could help us narrow down who Hero is.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Elochin male and RIPIWYG. First of all, I'm sure, but I think second is very real. Is insanified and very bad, because you can't change the system. * Sad face *
RIPIYWG Elochin and He-Man. I'm pretty sure the first is bad, but I don't know about the first. I was leaning civvie for him.

thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: I think Epi is most likely the zombie (if he is bad, of course). That's because if he were another baddie, it's possible that his teammates would allow him to be lynched and try to distance themselves from him (aside from Eloh, who was probably in trouble if he went down). On the other hand, if he were zombie he'd have been forced to use the switch, since it would have been his only chance before dying. If that's the case, Epi has no power anymore (except possibly using his team's NK), and thus is less valuable than the other baddies, who all have other powers to use. If everyone feels ok with an Eloh lynch, I think it has the potential to hurt the baddies more. Hope that makes sense. On the other hand, if people are more sure about Epi or feel a lynch for him would yield more info that's a fair argument to make.
People are mentioning Russ, so I did a reread of him and saw nothing alarming until I got to this. This is a piece of astonishingly clear reasoning, so clear in fact that it leads one to wonder if he didn't just know that Epi was a zombie all along. It would be a crafty and clever play to out a teammate and then later have the chance to say "I told you he was bad early on! How can I be his teammate?"

Of course, it could just be that Russ has an extraordinarily logical mind.

(yes, yes, I realize that this is all very WIFOM, but worth considering I think.)

Russ was very logical (go to high school with), where it is so decided.

When we went to high school together, I know Russ is a very logical person. And I felt that is his playing style as well.

Thank god I'm not insanified anymore! The only thing that kept me from getting really annoyed was how funny a lot of my insanified posts were.

I'm going to go back and pull up my insanified posts and explain what I was trying to say. Unfortunately pretty much all of them will be paraphrased and not exact quotes because I didn't save my original posts anywhere. I will answer any further questions once I have posted all of them. So be patient because this could take awhile.

Also, RIP Russ! My suspicions were totally wrong in regards to you.

Once again. There is no check to his season. I'm a man.

After a few days. Sister site insanified.

Voice of Russia today, especially in the case of rugaszkodtak click Start EPIGNWS Comet (DC). Note: If you don't know, I don't know, but it's bad Elohcin and asked why, and his team think the thought that Epignos.

A score of Russia

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ambray wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Oh BWT.

I'm going to sleep now. But come tomorrow? Be prepared for me to come after you hard.
You think BWT is baddie here, really? I mean, I wondered about him once early on, but I don't know.

He said that the money was very good. Reduce the amount is still our King is a hero.

EBWOP: But not for me. He said: well, there is reason to believe that the two oldest EPIGNWS. I told you to stop now, to stop this policy. Please do not hesitate to contact me.

Ambray wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Oh BWT.

I'm going to sleep now. But come tomorrow? Be prepared for me to come after you hard.

Here you can say? I never thought about it, but you will understand why.

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Are you insanified, BWT? Your posts almost make sense, so maybe you're just drunk.

Yes, insanified.

A sudden attack. Very interesting move!

Snow Dog wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.
Ah..the spider got you.

As I'm happy.

Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.

Elochin male and RIPIWYG. First of all, I'm sure, but I think second is very real. Is insanified and very bad, because you can't change the system. * Sad face *

thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: I think Epi is most likely the zombie (if he is bad, of course). That's because if he were another baddie, it's possible that his teammates would allow him to be lynched and try to distance themselves from him (aside from Eloh, who was probably in trouble if he went down). On the other hand, if he were zombie he'd have been forced to use the switch, since it would have been his only chance before dying. If that's the case, Epi has no power anymore (except possibly using his team's NK), and thus is less valuable than the other baddies, who all have other powers to use. If everyone feels ok with an Eloh lynch, I think it has the potential to hurt the baddies more. Hope that makes sense. On the other hand, if people are more sure about Epi or feel a lynch for him would yield more info that's a fair argument to make.
People are mentioning Russ, so I did a reread of him and saw nothing alarming until I got to this. This is a piece of astonishingly clear reasoning, so clear in fact that it leads one to wonder if he didn't just know that Epi was a zombie all along. It would be a crafty and clever play to out a teammate and then later have the chance to say "I told you he was bad early on! How can I be his teammate?"

Of course, it could just be that Russ has an extraordinarily logical mind.

(yes, yes, I realize that this is all very WIFOM, but worth considering I think.)

Russ was very logical (go to high school with), where it is so decided.

YES! Fantastic result there! BIH Epignosis!

I think Elohcin definitely needs to be looked at more deeply for the next lynch.

Also, some of SVS' more non-emotional posts have made me start to second guess her some. I think if Epig flips baddie, Elohcin is certainly the next best place to look. As for if SVS fits in that boat, I still think it's entirely possible. But I'm not quite as sure as I was last night.

EBWOP: Oops! That should be:

Votes Epignosis

Alright. I made it to almost the end of page 19 before I realized that Rob's backed himself into a corner, used every baddie trick in the book, and even gave one of the best theories I've ever seen: The one stating that perhaps MP is Herobrine. And was able to kill on a night. When MP was dead!!!

I don't need to read anymore from you, Robert. Your defense was pretty well thought-out, but you've done too much for me to believe large parts of it. And all the NO U's at Alex, the ignoring, the deflection of blame, the refusing to talk about certain people or events, and finally the theory on MP being Herobrine. After all, it's one of the best theories I've ever heard.

I don't really see how you're anything other than bad at this point. It's nothing personal, Rob. Just mafia after all.

Votes Robert

Alright. Catching up now and then I will vote.

Yeah, I think I'm going to end up waiting until tomorrow and letting Rob try and defend himself. I don't think there is much he can say that will convince me though.

So unless something weird happens, I will most likely be voting Epig. But I need to get to bed since I work at 6 AM the next 3 days in a row. Ewwwwww

I said I was leaning bad on llama, but I wasn't entirely sure. I had two longer posts from a bit earlier this evening. In them I discussed why I think either llama or Epig could be bad, but that I don't think both of them are. And after what you have posted, I'm starting to feel very strongly that llama is the civvie and Epig is the baddie. Hence why I am leaning toward voting for Epig, and quite strongly at that.

And like you said, a civvie lynch switch is definitely possible, but as I also mentioned earlier, I think it's very unlikely in this case.

Linki x2

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Go on, throw a hissy fit, instead of actually trying to combat anything of what I've said and try to defend yourself. You'll notice I'm even still slightly considering the chance I could be wrong about you. If I really am wrong, you're doing a terrible job convincing me with that kind of behavior.
I nearly get killed, and all I have done since the post is have to defend myself. I felt that llama was suspicious, and still do.

I think you ALWAYS read me that way. Always. You alwasy think I am bad.

i don't think I need to defend myself, I have done nothing wrong. So i voted for the person i really do think is most likely to be bad, and if you think I am the person most likely to be bad, then by all means vote for me.

No. Unfortunately, MP is right. When you get cornered as a baddie, you start freaking out and panicking more and more. And usually if it goes on long enough, you start reacting very emotionally, stop defending yourself altogether, and just give up saying "You're wrong. I'm a civvie." over and over again. Or some variation thereof. I wasn't entirely sure about you, but given everything Alex has pulled up on you, I'd say it's a pretty damning case.

Actually, even though I'm only half-awake right now, reading through all of Alex's giant posts pretty much confirmed a lot of suspicions I had mentioned about certain people and was thinking about others. In fact, I'm half-tempted to go ahead and vote before I go to bed.

I think Epig/Robert definitely needs to go first. Then I'm fine with either SVS or Elohcin. The order doesn't really matter too much to me.

Really though, I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on all of this before I vote. But I feel confident enough that I would be willing to go ahead and vote very soon for Epignosis.

Linki with SVS

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