The Syndicate

Wow. That's fairly impressive then. I guess that confirms the idea that Fetus is dead then. Yay civvies!

This is a tough decision, but I'm going to be in the minority it looks, and go with boom. Mostly because I think his win condition was much harder to fulfill, and with him being a newer player. I think both bea and boom played like Champions in this game for sure though.

Alex, if this is the easiest way for you to end it, then I'm fine with that. And I'm sure all of us are. It was a very exciting, unique game!

MovingPictures07 wrote:My flight has been canceled.

Again.

I am livid.

Honestly, at this point, if I were you, I would be so pissed I would just get in my car and start driving lol. I have no words for this.

I'm leaning towards not pushing them honestly. While I think each one corresponds to one of us, I don't want to take the risk of trying to get Boomslang with it and catching one of the other 3 of us instead. So I vote no pushing.

BIH Elo! Glad to see you go! Hoping Hedge was up to no good, but now I'm starting to think she wasn't.

So either one of two things will occur with the packages:

1) Each number corresponds to 1 of the 4 of us. If the number that represents any of the 4 of us is pressed, that person explodes and dies.

2) Same as before. But instead, each person explodes if the button is NOT pressed.

At least that's what I would conjecture. So if that's the case, I think the 4 of us need to agree to all do the same thing. So either we all push our buttons or none of us do.

Now as for which Sock would do, I'll have to think about that one. Anyone else with other ideas is more than welcome to discuss them too.

Boomslang wrote:Well, it seems like you all have the analysis pretty well locked down, so I'll just pop in to say I'm totally opening my box. And will probably vote Elo, because nothing important has changed since the last day.

This is pretty much where I'm at. And I will be voting Elo as well.

Sorry I haven't contributed anything at all the last few days, but I've been super ridiculously busy and tired. Plus I'm about to leave for a concert so I have to vote and run.

Lizzy wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I"m okay with voting Boom. Because if he survived because he's McGuyver, it means Penny is still alive and the lynch won't occur, so it's not like we will lynch a civ for information.

Mongoose wrote:So does everyone think it's worth possibly "wasting" a day voting to lynch Boom?

You seem very eager to 'waste' a day, don't you? Why is that?

I think I might throw another vote at you today.

As much as I agree with this, Mongoose is still my 2nd choice currently. I still have bea as my primary suspect/vote-getter though.

It definitely seems like she's trying to make us burn another lynch opportunity. I will have to think about this.

Spacedaisy wrote:I would really like to hear BWT's input right now on boomslang's survival.

I'm not sure what to tell you, other than that I didn't find Dr. Fetus last night.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:As nice as it is to get an earlier end to the night, that utterly blows. Hopefully you can at least get a refund, Alex!

Yeah... between that and handling a crazy busy season day, it was certainly the type of day I do not want to happen again in the near future. Or ever. Lol.

I'll get a hold of them eventually, and I certainly will give it my all. I better get my damn money. I probably will. It's just still a bothersome situation.

BUT at least I was able to reschedule the interview/visit. That is certainly a very good thing.

Indeed. Although given the circumstances, they almost had to work with you to reschedule your visit.

Could be worse though. You could be dead lol

I'm not buying the baddie teams merging thing. In my almost 5 years of playing mafia, I have NEVER been in a game where that has happened. In fact, if someone has been in a game where that's occurred, I would like to know what game it is. Because while I'm sure it's possible, I've never, ever seen it happen before from what I remember.

I'm surprised no one else mentioned it, but I could see bea being Creeper and targeting herself when she had the shield. She survives a nightkill attempt and possibly gains massive civvie cred for it. I used that exact same strategy in Electronic Mafia. DP was on my indy team, and I protected him on the same night when we chose to target him for a NK. One of the baddie teams also happened to target him that same night, and he gained massive civvie cred from that. Enough that we won the game because of it.

So regardless of whether bea had the shield or not, she could still be Creeper for all we know. And I think the only way we will find out at this point is to lynch her. Which is fine since I'm pretty firmly convinced she's bad, and will vote for her until one of us dies.

I go to take a short nap, and I wake up after the lynch is over. Awesome.... Probably would have gone for Mongoose though.

Sorry if we genuinely frustrated you, btw. I don't think it was anyone's intent. But it does make me think it more likely that Elo is Cohen now.

I think bea temporarily fooled me. When day comes around again, I will most likely vote for her. I wouldn't be surprised if her voting bloc was involved in pushing for Elo at this point.

Linki: I thought the lynch ended in a tie. Is that not the case?

DFaraday wrote:I don't feel like we can determine much about Elo from Epig's actions, since he'd vouch for her no matter her alignment. However, I think I'm leaning more Mongoose at this point. I do feel like the Kate stuff is pretty solid evidence (and I'm often someone who doesn't even pay attention to evidence).

I don't like this. Feels too much like you're dismissing one ping, but accepting another? I think that's how I want to phrase it but not sure.

I will say I'm not quite torn between you, Elo, and Mongoose. I don't think Elo pointing out the whole Epig not defending her thing helps her case that much. But I've also seen her in similar situations before, voted for her, and seen her lynched and come up civvie. So idk.

And for Mongoose, I don't buy the part about the timing of her votes being dumb luck. But on the other hand, I can see her going along with other players she trusts (I've done that a lot in the past and I've tried really hard the last few games to stop doing that and going with my own ideas). My problem with that though is that 2 of the 3 people she claims to have trusted (DH and Epig) are 2 I do not feel good about anymore.

I'm really torn right now, but probably either Elo or Mongoose will get my vote. I can't see myself voting DFaraday outside of him self-revealing and having a baddie role. I don't feel comfortable enough there yet.

Interesting insights there, Hedge. I think that might shoot Mongoose up slightly for me in suspicion. I would like to hear from her though before committing, but it gives credence to the fact that she might either be PP or on his team. If she is PP, maybe she talked about the role a lot earlier to cast doubt on her possibly being slotted for that role?

Linki

I have a few errands to run, so I will be back later.

DFaraday wrote:And FH, I said you have a reputation for quietness. Maybe you're playing exactly the same as ever, but somehow it feels like in the past you've been a lot more post-y. Having said that, your recent posts seem very much like the ones I associate with you. And I don't actually have any suspicion of you besides that I thought you were posting different.

Today I will be looking mainly at the people I mentioned earlier.

EBWOP: BWT, Is there something in particular about me that you find pingy?

Other than you being quiet, no. You're in the category where there would have to be a substantial case on you that materializes before the lynch ends. So I would need more to vote for you than I currently have.

FH, that post from you feels a bit more genuine to me. So I will probably knock you off my list for today. Still unsure about DFaraday.

Alright, so according to what MP just told me, if Fetus were to die before I made him vulnerable, I would not be made aware of it. So it is entirely possible that he is dead, but I don't feel comfortable going with that assumption until I either find him or MP informs us that his team has been eliminated.

Linki: That is also a possibility. Because they'd have to waste at least 2 NKs in order to make me vulnerable and a third one to finish me off. And that's assuming I didn't have another unexplainable protection take effect.

In that case, baddies, please feel free to try and kill me tonight. Kthx.

I just thought of something. Going to PM MP and see what he says.

Also, since I haven't done this yet, a list!

bea: Was convinced she was bad, now unsure.

Boomslang: Unsure

DFaraday: Unsure. Him making a comment to FH about being quiet when he's one to talk concerns me a bit.

Elo: I'd honestly forgotten she was still playing. Someone I would consider voting for today.

FH: Unsure. I do feel she has been a bit quiet though

Hedge: Unsure. Another one where I sometimes forget she's still alive and playing.

Lizzy: Civvie

Mongoose: Unsure

Nev: Strongly lean civvie

SD: Unsure. Another one who's been too quiet for my tastes.

SVS: Civvie

Timmer: Unsure

If I had to vote for somebody now at gunpoint, it would probably be SD, Elo, or Hedge. Any of the 'unsure' ones are ones where someone would have to make a case (or I'd have to see something in the thread) to convince me to vote for them.

Nevinera wrote: linki bwt - if he's even still alive. Folks have been dropping like flies. Or do you think you'd know if he died?

Well MP is still asking me nightly to search for him, so I would assume he's still alive because of that.

Linki: That is true. I still have 2 more lives to spare, and I die when the third one is extinguished. I guess my main concern is that the baddies might try and target me every single night to get rid of me. But even if I were dead and Fetus were still "invulnerable", I would imagine there would either be a way around that or other ways he could die other than being NKed.

Ehhhhh, might as well go ahead and mention it. I only need to find him one more time, and I currently have a 50% chance of finding him every night. So the odds dictate that I should find him on either Night 11 or Night 12.

Lizzy wrote:Bea - I trust FH because someone I trust trusts her.
SVS - I know.
Nev - Woohoo! We could have a discussion about Cohen, but getting Creeper is a priority right now. If he randomly explodes, he takes at least one person with him. I wonder if Fetus is already dead or if not, at least lynchable.

At the risk of painting a huge target on my head, I will simply say for now he is not vulnerable, but it is close. I will elaborate more if enough people I feel okay about wish to know.

Alex, we're here for you, man! And I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sure everyone else has really enjoyed this game!

bea, I don't think you're misguided. I think you're genuinely bad because I feel like you've been very opportunistic in the way you've been going after me. And you voting for me this time seals the deal for me. It would take some REALLY strong evidence to convince me you're a civ at this point.

And like I said, I would be willing to further examine DH too. I think Lizzy might be on to something there.

I would hope so. I've gone back and forth on her several times this game, but something about this vote for me doesn't feel right.

I guess it's better to say I will both be dying and not dying. That simplifies it a bit more.

Linki: If I was Dr. Fetus, it would simply say that no one has been lynched. I'm saying I will be lynched, so my role will be revealed. But it won't keep me down and out for the count.

Linki2: If you want to seal your own grave with DH, go for it. Unless of course, one of you is Fetus.

EBWOP: I'll also throw bea in there. I understand that she held off on me for awhile, but now this vote for me feels the same as it does for DH: a bit too "easy".

Edit: I can't spoil all my trade secrets now.

I missed the vote entirely. Oh well. Not sure who I would have voted instead.

Honestly though, I'm glad I got lynched over being NKed. My reveal will prove that I am indeed a civvie. Also, I plan on looking more closely at DH starting tonight. I'm starting to think he might have gone for me because I'm an "easy option" for today.

And yes, you read that right. I will not be dying today.

RIP BDH! Not really sure why you went out the way you did though, even if it was what you wanted... :/

LOL I will readily admit that I am coasting through this game. I'm so busy IRL that I'm usually lucky if I have the time to catch up in this game. It's also why you haven't seen me really make a case against anyone yet. And unfortunately, I would not expect that to change anytime soon. I had more free time earlier on, but now not so much.

I hate doing that too. Especially because I consider it very un-champion-like. But it is what it is. It's either that or that I ask to be replaced, and given how far we are into the game, I think asking for a replacement is a bit too much. So I'll muster through what I can.

Alex, this is an absolutely fantastic game! Don't let yourself get down by other people's opinions. I know you're a fantastic host, and that sometimes with hosting games, you have to make decisions that are sometimes unpopular/controversial. All you can do from here is go on!

juliets wrote:bea, sorry I wasnt around yesterday to confirm we were in AGods. Your info is more than I know because I never read the book. We didn't have that much detail in the game so I guess I'm doubtful that MP spent time researching what the different places meant in the book. Your idea though is just as good as any other idea we've had about where to place a vote and there is always the possibility that I'm wrong about MP and he did research those places.

It's possible that he's done at least some basic/ground-level research about the different places. He never puts anything in a game without it having a purpose. The only time I've ever seen him do otherwise is occasional Day 0 polls.

The more I think about it, the theory of all the deadies being able to use their abilities soon makes a lot of sense to me. Although I'm expecting something else to be thrown in there. But that would be a sinisterly evil design for sure.

Please spare us, almighty Sock. I would wash your dirty sock-laundry for a week.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Pixies were seriously so absolutely awesome!!!!!

Yes. Yes they were. Could have done with a few less b-sides and new songs like I said last night. But given about half the setlist was from Doolittle and Surfer Rosa, I can live with that.

timmer wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:So going from MP's comments, Saturday should be an important/busy day for the deadies. Thoughts on that, guys?

I imagine they may get to vote in the lynch or something like that. Or maybe another rezz?

It could be along those lines. But knowing how the almighty Sock is, it's probably 1)much more complicated and intricate than that, and 2)something he's never done in a game before. So I'm going to wait and see if we notice anything happen with deadies.

For now though, I'm still sticking with my "they have a hidden deadie thread" theory where they can vote and do things that affect the game in some way.

Also, notice how I know the different between 'affect' and 'effect'? #grammerpolice

EBWOP: Also voting Kentucky because....well duh. :P

Wow. RIP SVS! Sorry that you had to go that way. But you shall be avenged!!!

Also, idk if this has been discussed, but I know MP keeps posting the whole "just because you're out doesn't mean it's over" or whatever it is. Does anyone else think that it involves dead people being allowed to either use their powers or influence the game in some way? I know I've played several games before where all the deadies got their own secret thread to chat in. And there were polls to vote in that influenced the game i.e. giving people prizes, punishing them, etc. Anyone think that could be a real possibility here?

I agree with the general consensus on llama. Regardless of whether or not he dies, it almost definitively tells us who he is. Voting him now because I won't have any more time until after the poll ends. Sorry I couldn't compete in your challenge, Homestar! I just barely have the time to keep up with this game, let alone do a major posting challenge.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. Although at the same time, out of everyone who is calling for my lynch, you're the one I've felt the best about. Although if I get lynched tomorrow (or die tonight), I'm hoping people are willing to look at some of the other people who have been calling for my lynch. Because I feel like you're the one who wanted to go after me originally, albeit for fairly weak reasons, and others jumped on that gun.

And llama, it's like you're in your own grave and just continue to dig deeper and deeper.

RIP no one. Although based on the night post, it sounds like it might be bea or Vomps. We'll find out I guess.

bea wrote:btw - 10 - 1 a) if you guys lynch teefies - he'll be on the creeper team or b) he'll go after devin next.

1) I won't be on the creeper team. I'll be revealed as a civvie.
2) I have no reason to go after Devin. I think he's a terribly misguided civvie.

@Devin: Say I were to be lynched and revealed to be a civvie. Where would you look next?

Linki: Exactly. It probably means Zodac will be deciding between the two of them.

Sorry I can't respond to every little thing all of you post. I'm ri-donk-ulously busy lately. Most days I'm getting home from work and I'm too tired to do much with mafia other than catch up, because mentally I can't think of anything intelligent to add to the conversation. If that's going to be your justification for voting for me, then go for it. It'll backfire on you.

Also, sorry if that sounds cranky. It isn't directed at any one person specifically and I don't want it to be taken offensively. I actually AM really tired right now lol.

I can see the cases on bea, Vomps, llama, and juliets. Out of those 4 though, I think bea is the one most likely to die if we lynch her. Plus BDH coming in and saying we shouldn't vote for her for some super-secret reason was what tipped the scale for me. If he had come in and said something along the lines of, "I can read bea well, and I think she's civvie", then it would have given me pause. But I'm not willing to put blind trust into someone I'm unsure about. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

Votes bea

Linki X2

First off, RIPIYWG to everyone who died. That was a lot of death. As to anyone wondering how I survived, I don't know. I thought it had to do with my role, but according to MP, I was indeed saved by someone. So I appreciate whoever did so.

I would be okay with a Vomps, juliets, or bea vote today. I could see all of them being bad, but I think going for juliets first will give us the most information. Mostly because I think it will confirm whether or not bea is indeed one of her teammates. I would pick her over the other two because if bea is who we think she is, then we wouldn't gather much from her death except having her gone. And Vomps is a bit more "avant-garde" with his playstyle.

So in order, I am most willing to vote for:

1. juliets
2. bea
3. Vomps

Also, to whoever said that DH and I had an "encounter", could you point out where? Because that's news to me.

Epignosis wrote:

timmer wrote:I've read back through Epig's posts. 201 of them. Lots of telling people they are wrong. Lots of telling people they should listen to him. Lots of quick, nothing votes. NOT ONE ACTUAL CASE AGAINST ANYONE. I haven't even come close to reading the whole game yet, but this enough for me for now. Epig is talking to talk but isn't making cases.

votes epig

Well I made a case against Lizzy and she was good.

And I made a case against DP and he was good.

Which proves my point. You're either bad or terribly misguided/off the mark. Just like you are with me.

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.

When will you actually do this so I can dismantle your case?

You're like that annoying little fly that gets in my house on a nice, spring day. You're buzzing around is annoying and irritating, and I get some newspaper or a flyswatter for when the time is right. But right after you come in, my dog shits on the carpet. So you become a secondary thought.

Yes, there is a message there. But you can interpret it as you see fit. I will say that if you lynch me, it very well could convince people to listen to me.

I see that you've substituted a sixth-grade metaphor and a fourth-grade threat for what should have been a case.

If not, then train your dog to shit outside, clean up after yourself as to not attract flies, and if you want people to listen to you, use the Big Boy Voice.

In that case, you didn't see the point I'm trying to make.

I meant that you're always there in the back of my mind, but the problem is that I often see a better case end up coming along. Which means I vote for someone else over you.

This was very enlightening though. It reminded me that I should always pursue my strongest suspicion either until I die or they do. And I do believe I will last longer than you unless you have a neat bag of tricks up your sleeve.

Votes Epignosis

DharmaHelper wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.

If I vote for vomp and you vote for vomp, neither of us will have to save ourselves?

I would consider this, especially since I don't think you're bad. And Vomps going along with Lizzy again doesn't sit right with me.

If it becomes a possibility, I would be willing to go for Vomps. But for right now, I would still slightly lean towards Epig.

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.

When will you actually do this so I can dismantle your case?

You're like that annoying little fly that gets in my house on a nice, spring day. You're buzzing around is annoying and irritating, and I get some newspaper or a flyswatter for when the time is right. But right after you come in, my dog shits on the carpet. So you become a secondary thought.

Yes, there is a message there. But you can interpret it as you see fit. I will say that if you lynch me, it very well could convince people to listen to me.

Bea now insisting that people vote to lynch her is setting off alarm bells in my head. But since she is off the poll, I think I will want to continue to try and convince others that Epig is indeed bad. But I will hold off in case I have to vote to save myself.

Nevinera wrote:Quick notes about bob minion:

N3 - no kill. Received votes D3: bea, bwt, dh, dp, epig, juliets, lizzy, mongoose, llama, vomps
N4 - no kill. Received votes D4: Aces, gleam, bea, bwt, bullz, dp, elo, epig, hedge

Overlap so far: bea, bwt, dp, epig. Can't be dp - we got a role reveal that would have mentioned it.

Now, if last night's attempt was real and bob, all three of those remaining suspects were voted for Day 5.
That leads me to the conclusion that last night's attempt must not have been bob - either it was Jack or a lie.

(I'd appreciate someone going over my lists to make sure I didn't miss anyone - set intersection by hand is error-prone).

RIP Aces! Sorry we were wrong about you!

I would lean more towards it being a lie, specifically because it was written into the night post, but then MP didn't mention anything about it at the end of his post. If there had been "Juliets survived a kill attempt..." or something similar, I could see it being Jack.

But then again, I would peg that ability to The Sinister Exaggerator. So either someone has a similar ability, was able to copy his, or when AP was killed, his role reveal wasn't true. So I'm not sure where to go with that from here.

I'm in between mostly Aces and Vomps. I'm not buying the flimsy excuses for gleam at all. Going to go with Aces for now. Him leading the lynch against Lizzy is another interesting fact too.

Oops! Missed that one then. In that case, I would throw him in with those other 3.

Aces, bea, and Daisy are the 3 people on this poll who voted for Kate. I would be willing to vote for any of those 3 for sure, and could probably vote Vomps too if someone brought a good enough case against him.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'm going to go back to voting my good friend BWT tomorrow. I kinda sorta regret not doing that yesterday.

But shouldn't you be open to expanding your mind, looking for clarity, and trying to view the world through a different lens?

Okay, enough with the philosophical bullshit. :P Is it still the same reasons you mentioned before, or is there something else that has you further convinced I'm bad?

Also (and I would direct this question to anyone who has/will consider voting for me), what do you think of Epig?

I'm actually perfectly fine with the result of that, given I'm still unsure about llama. Although given Nev's breakdown, it sounds like voting for him would be good for civs. But there's no guarantee he would die either, so I'll probably hold off on him for now.

I think Epig is still my #1 priority though. And I will most likely be voting him again tomorrow.

Some interesting points there about llama, Mongoose. But right now, I feel more confident about another suspect.

I said I was willing to give him the BotD earlier unless something else came up, but I think with last night's results, it did. I think we can add in "Epig conjecturing on events he had inside information on" to a good enough reason for me to vote for him. So I will be placing my vote there.

That being said, I think there is a very good chance llama could be bad to. I just have a bit more confidence in baddie Epig than baddie llama right now is all.

Linki X3