The Syndicate

Made wrote:ReywaS, I'm assuming that the shaking head means you aren't allowed to edit post or quote only part of a message?

Made wrote:Hi, so I'm officially Nocturnal. No school, so i woke up at 6 <_< anyways, lots of interesting stuff.
I think this situation Llama v Made voters is very similar to that of Made V The World in Monty Python.

Found it:

Roxy wrote:Day 3


Get on with it!
Poll ended at Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:49:18 pm


Bea
0
No votes
birdwithteeth11
0
No votes
Boogs
0
No votes
Bullz
0
No votes
Canucklehead
0
No votes
Dana
0
No votes
Hedgeowl
0
No votes
Juliets
2
birdwithteeth11 (19), reywaS (23) 9%
Long Con
0
No votes
LoRab
0
No votes
Made
5
thellama73 (7), Hedgeowl (8), Metalmarsh89 (9), nijuukyugou (13), Boogs (14) 22%
Metalmarsh
1
Mister Rearranger (5) 4%
Mister Rearranger
9
Made (2), Keterman (11), S~V~S (12), bea (16), juliets (17), Bullzeye (18),Enrique (20), Mongoose (21), Dana (22) 39%
Mongoose
1
Canucklehead (15) 4%
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
reywaS
0
No votes
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
S~V~S
1
Long Con (10) 4%
Thellama73
0
No votes
Oh, anyway, on to scene 24/ Hosts/Mod/GOD/Dead Folk/Nons
4
Roxy (1), MovingPictures07 (3), DisgruntledPorcupine (4), Dom (6) 17%
Total votes : 23

baddies in red.
SVS was Neutral.
While it doesn't prove anything, it a jumping off point. I have a few more close lynches like this if more data is needed. I'm really good at getting lynched. Maybe instead of looking at those who voted me or Llama, we look at those who didn't make a decision to do either

I think the Night poll just proved nothing more than People know who MP is and people like him. This has more to do with who MP is than what his alignment is.
That said does the wand do?

Also Dom, historically, what has been your opinion on "wasting votes", voting for someone you know won't get lynched? I have my own personal philosophy on the subject, but i'm curious of yours.

linki- to tag on to what Juliets said, I think Reywas should do was he did earlier, underline phrases and show whether he agrees or disagrees with them with smiles or pictures.

Snow Dog wrote:

zeek wrote:Snowy, I can see what you're saying but I just don't know in what context they would use that in a chatroom.

No, I don't either. But...it is a possibility. Not worth a vote in itself. But add that to other rey suspicions I've seen floating around and may add up to something.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?

I think your thoughts have merit. Timmer did say he was having RL issues, but I agree that their exchanges didn't contain much meat at all. I expected more to be said as they were waiting for each other to be able to do back and forth, when it culminated into essentially nothing. So you're thinking that it was just a way to look like they were saying something, but not actually reveal their opinions so as not to look bad? Or any particular way?

Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?

Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?

Dom wrote:Timmer and Rey

Timmer and Rey both voted for MP without any reason in the Night 2 poll.
Timmer and Rey were partners in the Day 2 challenge. I will show you the entirety of their posts.

Timmer started it with:

timmer wrote:Trash Team 4LYF!

Rey then said:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

Timmer said:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

He indicates his intention to participate.

reywaS wrote:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.

Rey is like yeah dude pls

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.

Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.

Timmer then says that it's "too late" to play.

reywaS wrote:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.

Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.

Apologies. And now I've lost track of the days...I've been thinking all day that today was Friday. Not sure where I'm going to vote...I was thinking I had another day. phooey.

Rey apologizes.


This is literally everything they said on Day 2.
This is highly suspicious to me. Rey went from hunting baddies to chatting with Timmer enough to say all this useless back and forth. This rings as baddie behavior to me. Illusion of participation + talking enough to compete the in the contest, but not to play the game.

I will admit, I remember their day 2 being lengthier when I announced my suspicion of timmer and rey, but I still suspect them for this.

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

I'm sorry. Yes, I'll be around for a little while.

Alas, I saw this too late, and now I must head to bed.

timmer wrote:

reywaS wrote:hmm.

You going to be around tonight, pardner? I need to get caught up in the game but I don't want to have to do it in one giant post, lol.

timmer wrote:I picked rey for my trash team.

I hope I did that right. I'll get settled in tonight. Last night ended up with me and twenty other people heading over a mountain pass that had an Avalanche earlier that day in shuttles. Wasnt fun.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

reywaS wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.

Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.

To whom are you planning on changing your vote?

I don't plan on voting you, but I am certainly unappreciative with your approach today. You've maintained that voting early is suspicious, but somehow forget to bring up my name in that discussion. Players are bound to draw connections there. I do not want your vote, but being ignored is worse.

You didn't actually answer this yet, did you? Who are you planning on moving your vote to?

I thought that just the fact that I hadn't moved my vote would be answer enough. I don't know yet.

But I can assure you that by the end of the day, my vote will not be on you.

Really??? So, in essence, S~V~S is getting a pass today?

Yes and yes.

Recall that I originally voted her for no reason. My purpose was not to get her lynched. It was an experiment to get conversation going. I think it worked.

Why, do you think she should be lynched?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record SVS, my only goal with voting you the way I did was to instigate some real Day 1 discussion. I believe I was successful. I had no suspicion of you then, nor do I have any of you now.

Per my comment on Mongoose, I was not distracting. I just wanted to point out that Mongoose has been logging onto the Syndicate and posting in other places, though she never bothered to check in on Day 0 even for this game.

To whom are you planning on changing your vote?

I don't plan on voting you, but I am certainly unappreciative with your approach today. You've maintained that voting early is suspicious, but somehow forget to bring up my name in that discussion. Players are bound to draw connections there. I do not want your vote, but being ignored is worse.

You didn't actually answer this yet, did you? Who are you planning on moving your vote to?

I thought that just the fact that I hadn't moved my vote would be answer enough. I don't know yet.

But I can assure you that by the end of the day, my vote will not be on you.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Again I should say nothing I find overly suspicious at this moment in time, but I just thought the coincidence was funny. The same sort of scenario coming up in the game that I won to get to this game, now coming up in this game. Cosmically improbable, yet here we are.

As it stands I'm mulling over a vote for LC.

DH can you expand a little on why you are mulling over a vote for LC? What are you seeing?

I don't like his exchange with Rey. I'll let you go back and read it for yourself, but it just did not ring true to me. LC is a good enough player not to want to rush into things with such slapdash and paper-thin logic

Which logic exactly was paper-thin? I don't think it makes me not a good player to have cast that vote.

And re: reywaS' point about your S~V~S post... I didn't actually read the whole comparison word-for-word, because it was to block-of-texty, but I thought the gist of it was that you were drawing a deliberate connection to suggest that S~V~S was a baddie. I think you're playing a cavalier kind of game, this isn't the first time this game you've had to do several posts of explanation how you're not really accusing anyone with your "observations".

DharmaHelper wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

I don't think I was being vague at all. I noticed the discussion in *this* game about the phrase "making a federal case" and remembered the discussion in Misfits about "scum tell". As I said, I found the coincidence funny. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone over it, I just thought that it was something sort-of-kind-of poetic, having that happen in two games.

This really makes me nervous about you to be honest. You say you just pointed this out because it was "kind of poetic"...and I guess the assumption in this is that you wanted everyone else to share your little chuckle. Maybe that's true, but I know that you are a really smart guy and certainly capable of being subtle with your motives. But when it comes down to it, what you actually did there was draw a connection in people's minds to SVS being a baddie.

Thats a bit of a leap, considering the case in Misfits was that neither party had BTSC together, as they were accused of having. If anything the misfits incident weakens this one.

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the people voting for the people who voted for no reason have less reason to their vote than the people they are voting for.

I don't think this is true. Why do you say that?

I don't think it's true, either. I hope TH comes back and answers you.

DH, I know I am a fool for this, but I am going to ask you to elaborate here. You don't take time to search forums for no reason. I am seeing a tenuous connection between my behavior in Misfits (where I was a baddie & Boogs a civ, though Keterman was bad) and yours in this game. But I am sure you did not go to all that effort to pull a quote where you are behaving as I did when I was a baddie. So stop with the vague and make your point, eh?

I don't think I was being vague at all. I noticed the discussion in *this* game about the phrase "making a federal case" and remembered the discussion in Misfits about "scum tell". As I said, I found the coincidence funny. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone over it, I just thought that it was something sort-of-kind-of poetic, having that happen in two games.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, the game has really begun now!

I personally don't find Long Con suspicious for finding reywaS suspicious, because I also didn't interpret DH's original post as being at him. From what I've seen of reywaS before, though, defensiveness isn't unusual. (No offense.)

In response to this from MM yesterday:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What changed your mind?

z"Metalmarsh89" wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:The question then becomes are you staying on task to avoid suspicion or staying on task in order to legitimately contribute?

Are you purposefully posing questions that llama will deem unanswerable?

Regardless, it is up to the reader to decide. Voting a (presumably) active player will more likely garner a reaction than voting a (presumably) inactive player.

It just gave me pause, I guess. Hope that helps.

timmer wrote:Hey all, I'm on a funeral vacation until tomorrow evening. I'll be in as of them!

Snow Dog wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Its an odd mafia phrase that I'm not sure I've seen before. Twice in one game seems funky to me.

The implication is they may have used the phrase in btsc?

Black Rock wrote:

reywaS wrote:and who else could he have possibly been talking about, LC? It's not like there were a lot of other posts that he could have possibly been talking about.

There was two votes in at that time for the same reasons.

I just caught up, page 2 took me to some weird places...

thellama73 wrote:I think all the early votes today are weird. On Day One, more than any other day, we need as much time as possible to pick up on subtle pings.

Long Con wrote:

reywaS wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.

Can I assume since you responded with this 7 minutes after I voted for metalmarsh that this is directed at me? If it was directed at me, I must ask what makes it a humorous tactic? Why is it a humorous tactic as opposed to any legitimate attempt at playing the game?

I didn't read DH as specifically targeting you with that statement. You seem to me to be jumping to the defensive pretty quickly... especially since I didn't find your vote for MM particularly humourous or... antical?

Anyways, that made you my best choice for a Day One vote. *votes reywaS*

DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.

Roxy wrote:Hey everyone yay for the start of the game.

TBH I do not play games for accomplishments. I play games for fun ergo: I never accomplish anything :P

I voted Felt bc it was good clean fun. Plus I got to be a Johnny Depp character so that equals win in my book every time.