The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:LC - I thought you were playing a really good game. I was going to target you N3 for it, but couldn't bring myself to do it.
I appreciate that!

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I agree you played an awesome game as 1.0 and 2.0. Honestly, I think if you remove the recruiting element completely from the game, civvies would have very likely had a win here.
No doubt about it! We just needed to take out Hedge early and it was unquestionably the Civvies' game.

I have to learn from this game to inform my baddie game, clearly being a little quieter makes a world of difference. Maybe I should miss the first couple of days of every game I play, and spend the next couple 'catching up'.

I tried to get people to listen yet no one would ofc I just wanted some civ cred and take focus off my teamies and I failed on all counts except Hedge was indeed bad.

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote: Hey splintsy, Roxy killed me too! I think she was scurred of us
Next time we are baddies together we shall have our revenge

I did not kill Turnips. It was one of the boys' ideas.
I did, however, want to kill splints as she was trying to find my baddie game and since she is the only one who CAN read me properly. I am sorry and tbf I had no idea you were bad until I dead checked you.

I sorrys <3

I loved my first team with Enrique, Made and MR they were so much fucking fun bts! They were all very good at plotting evil even MR who was dead

But I had to go and see Hedges baddie game and that made her recruit me. I adored this team bc they are all so awesome and fun bts. Lots of eveil plotting was done after I died but I still poped in from time to time to chatzy it up and see what was going on. I was loads jelly to be dead by the time Hedgey got all her recruits tbh.

Why wouldn't anyone listen or see that Epi was bad? I knew he was during the Made/Enrique lynches and he more or less outed himself in the thread yet I was the only one besides SVS to see it. Then when Sabie voted for me she basically outed herself as well. Why lynch me over them when I was not even able to be here to defend?
I know we were asked not to say anything inre: Infodumps but I will say they do suck.

BR did amazing with her lie detection skills and making cases - we are so not worthy

Reminds me - sorry Sabie that you felt I was obnoxious and do not like me I did not see how I was obnoxious to you but if you felt it I apologize. <3 I deffo did not mean to be obnoxious to you.

Epi - you incredible bastard!
So hard to get you lynched - I dare say near impossible - my hat is off to you!

zeek - the game started rocky for you but I am so glad you found your feet in the game and on the site. You were a most welcome addition to TS and to the game. So happy you are playing once again. Its cool to play with the person who got me hooked on mafia.

Hegde - ya slut I love ya! <3

Great fucking game Bea and Teeth look forward to your next endeavors!

Roxy wrote:Thanks for the fun while it lasted everyone. rl got in my way the last few days sorry I could not be around.
Good luck to certain player(s)

Thanks for the fun while it lasted everyone. rl got in my way the last few days sorry I could not be around.
Good luck to certain player(s)

/dead]

I am back and will be catching up later if life allows.

I know I have not responded to epi but his whole case is a no u. he did not say anything aboutany of it in his first run down list, plus I really have not had the time. I do not expect people to believe me about it but I am saying it anyway - rl trumps mafia anyday imo

If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

My case really had nothing to do about the ld statements if you were to read back on the made/Enrique cases you will see that.

Also when you finish getting epi and sabie you may want to go after my orginal suspicion that NO ONE listened to and take a hard long lookat Hedge.

I am working overtime today I will make time for this game when I finally get home tonight.

Voted non dr who

Epi I will answer your no u suspicion after work today.

Oh I am sure you will live Epi - didn't you recruit players for this game too?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.
It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.
It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

If you don't mind I would rather people read MY posts to know why I voted foryou not a carefully worded post you made.

Unusual answer from you inre: sabie.

Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.

Forgot some:
I am not an indy.
I am not dalek.
I am not a secret role.

Sabie - you have to go through and read thing yet somehow you know that lie detectors are being discussed and that I have not made one???

How very pingalicious!
I am not a robot.
I am a good girl.
I am not cyber.
I am not a master.

Since you are so concerned with mine why not add yours to the mix sabie?

Hahahahahahaha

Yeah I read his posts too which is why I asked him to quote and link. ofc he did not bc the quotation marks make it not about him.

He gave himself away the minute he started putting people into roles. I still cannot believe I was the only to bring it up.

After his refusal I doubt I will change my vote. I do wonder if he has something up his sleeve inre:this lynch. I mean he recruited people to the game just like MP.

Linky you wish lmao!

Idk if my opinion matters to anyone but I liked when I was blue not this green that is so close to admin and micro mafia

I just thank goodness that we did not get the baby poop color that is the side mission color

I am sorry if that is someones favorite color - I don't want to offend anyone over a color.

Epii - can you quote and link where you said this robot statement?

I am voting you now irregardless tbh bc my case at first had nothiing to do with a lie detector statement.

MP - my whole case on Epi is thread based - please read it. For you to acct otherwise only proves you have not read it. The lie detector stuff is just icing on the cake.

SVS - He could have been trying to save Made - I mean that whole lynch was wierd right around deadline. I do find it odd he wanted MP to vote the same - remember that Snow lynch? He could be a Dalek sucking up to MP so he could say he wasn't the only one who voted that way.

Could you see yourself voting for epi if not then whom?

Linky juliets will read ialb

I will prob vote epi
Mostly bc I feel the case is stronger than Metal or MP. Besides I really feel MP is civ this game. he has that indignant quality to his posts.

Epignosis wrote:I am not a role checker, nor am I on a team with a role checker

Can't believe I have to break this down to someone who has hosted as many games as you have.

This statement is uncheckable.
"I am not a rolechecker" could be a true statement
"nor am I on a team with a rolechecker" could be a false statement
So the sentence is uncheckable completely.
Including both means you knew it already and hoped no one would listen to me.

Wish I could hang out but my boss is here and I have gtg

Yet you refuse to discuss the possibility you are wrong about me and that I am right about Epi.
Being narrow minded wil only hurt civs chris. if you want to find baddies then read those lynches over with my perspective. I don't remember saying you know Epi is civ though you are acting like he is bc you wil not even look at the lynches and discuss it with me.

Jeepers MP - if ya read my posts you would know I strongly feel Epi is the cyber dude who role checks or the role check is his teammate. All I ask is that you read those lynches with my perspective and then it cannot be missed.

I do not see what you see with Metal tbqh. Though after Epi shows as Cyber then I will revisit anyone I feel defended or detracted from his lynch happening.

And you bet I will pull quotes for you when I get home Chris.

Epi - I knew you would not give the lie detector statement since zeek asked for it days ago.

No suprise by your post.

Long Linky (bc I am working) Chris I know its quite obv how you feel. but my next target is Epi not Metal. why do you think Epi is civ? You are willing to discuss anyone but Epi - I want to know why.
If you succeed in getting an lynch MP - I have bad feeling you will regret your actions.

MP - Chris is playing like always. Hard headed and unwilling to listen or discuss the possibility he is and has been misguided. if I can get enough people to actually take time and look at Epi leading up to and during the Made/Enrique lynches and agree that he must be the cyber role check or is on the same team as the role checker then I would know more on where I stand with Chris as he has been a staunch defender of Epi. Along with Metal.

MP LINky ffs no!

Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?

Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....

Chris check metalmarshs post he has been the only one lately working on them.

Voted Darillium

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.

MP- I am still suspicious of Hedge its just that after finding out Epi I find it hard to look elsewhere when I am so sure about a suspicion backed by evidence.

And I never said bye to zeek. It was a real pleasure to play with you again. Hope you will play or host again soon!

MovingPictures07 wrote:One last thing though, I'm seriously curious as to why I appear to have more outspoken defenders now than I have previously. If anyone could elaborate on that, that'd be great.

Also, even though I think Enri should go today, it'd be nice to discuss other suspects, as S~V~S stated, especially since the +1 is gone. I do not believe Dana and Daisy warrant any attention, however, but Metalmarsh surely should.

Why do you mention everyone elses suspicion but mine? I thought you would at least comment about it.

SVS - so what if E[pi 1 went after Enrique. What does that have to do with Epi 2?

Epi 2 put him into a role and did not stop there he put Made into a role too. Yet you are ignoring those facts.

Don't know wtf is wrong with MP. He is acting like EVERYONE wants him lynched which is simply not true. I do not think he is in any danger of being lynched today. We need to take out Enrique to see if Epi is right and if he is - I will not stop going after him until he is lynched and shown Cyber. Count on it.

Epi - I am not scared of you - lmao! How can I be scared of an English teacher

I did answer your question - just not in the confined specifications you wanted me to. Sorry about your bad luck and in your face play style. It did not pay off this time.

Chris all my questions were srs and not rhetorical.

Epi - you would have been ballsy enough to tip your hand and then use wifom for defense. You are a role checker or the role checker is on your team.
And why wouldn't they have checked Made or Enrique since both have been topic for discussion for some time now. That way they would know how to play it. You decided for a balls to the wall approach - which is pure Epi.

Also you forgot some questions would you like me to requote them?

Thats what I said Chris. I voted him for being quiet and subdued. Thats it.

Also you could answer the questions I asked in my response

LOL did you not read my post Chris??? Wow------------------- I will requote it

Roxy wrote:
Chris wrote:
Roxy wrote:<snip>

Well it was only day 2 and Made is hard to read.
After a couple of days went by - my focus has been on Hedge and getting people to look at her- when no one besides TH was looking at her I looked into the two top suspects. thats when I realized Made has been quiet and subdued. Since I call people out all the time for latching onto someone elses suspicions and voting without adding any original thoughts I wanted to add my thoughts before I voted.
Quiet and subdued. You keep saying that, like it's an indication of him being bad. I'm more quiet and subdued this game, does that make me bad? Simply being less active does not make someone a baddie. Now, granted, I think Made is bad now as well, after the lynch last night, it's pretty hard not to look like Dalek... something I was concerned about. But his story as to why/how his actions went down last night, sound like complete and utter bullshit to me...
Have you played with Made or Hosted him? No. I have played and hosted him so I do think I know his game a little better than you do. He is quiet and subdued and if you had played with him you would know this is VERY unlike him. I have stated my reasoning and sorry if you don't agree with it, should I change up my game just so my reasoning can be like yours -Which was stellar btw:

Chris wrote:Switching my vote to Rico for reasons.

*changes vote to Rico*
And your reason was bc you thought Made was being set up and was a civ. Sorry I did not agree with your thinking or Epi's last lynch. I did not know I had to agree with Epi or you to make a vote.

Chris wrote:But you said that you don't just like to latch on to other people's reasons to vote, and want to add your own. Well, let me ask you, what were the other people's reasons that you latched on to? Because you never said anything other than A: He's playing "quiet and subdued" & B: You don't trust Epig.
I did not latch onto anyone else's suspicion but my own yesterday. Though I did admit already Dom had made some points I agreed with but others not as much. So f'n what if I don't trust Epi. Are you his guardian or what? Why do you care so much that I should trust Epi? Its odd tbh.
In mafia you are supposed to find who you think is bad - its what I am doing. I am sorry you disagree with me but theres not much I can do about how I feel.

Chris wrote:
No I was not feeling the case Epi made on Enrique. Mostly bc I am not feeling trusty of Epi. why would I follow someone elses suspicion that I do not trust and vote accordingly? that makes no sense.
But no one is/was asking you to voke for Enri only based on what Epi does/said. Are you telling me that since you don't trust Epig, that whoever he votes for, you won't? There was other posted reasons/evidence to vote for Enri, and still, you voted for Made because he's been playing "quiet and subdued".
Maybe. I do not trust Epi. Idk what part of that sentence you are having a hard time understanding. I may vote the same as Epi if I feel it is warranted but I was not feeling it all yesterday.
There were reasons to vote Made why didn't you latch onto those?

Chris wrote:
I will be laying out the reasons why no one should be trusting Epi since he came bak2lyf later today.
This should be interesting...

My whole point on Roxy's vote last night was this. There was a lot of reasons/explanations floating around last night... but of all of the odd reasons to vote Made... Roxy's stuck out the most to me as someone who just needed to put her vote on Made to blend in, knowing it wouldn't get him lynched. She couldn't just put a vote there with no reason, so she made one up.

Does that make her bad? Not necessarily... but it certainly makes me wary of her, and I want to make damn sure it got some attention before we move on to the next big thing.
I did not make up a reason ffs! Anyone who has played with him knows I am telling the truth. He is quiet and subdued - tough shit if you do not like my reasoning.

Do you, like Epi, know something no one else does? Bc I did not "KNOW" Made would not be lynched. if you did you must be on a team with Epi as he had put Made and Enrique into roles on Day 4 no less. How can he assign roles so easily and be sure you might ask - its bc he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. You trust Epi so much you are parroting his thoughts about who has what role - hell a lot of people are but no one else has noticed that the only way he can be so *sure* that they are those roles is if he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. If he thinks they are Daleks I will bet anyone a sig bet that Epi is on the Cyber team.

Think about that for awhile Chris.

Linky - now you are asking advice from the person you voted for yesterday

Chris wrote:I get the feeling that Roxy doesn't like me questioning her motives...

Still waiting on that post that illustrates why we aren't supposed to trust Epig too....

By the way, do we know if tonight's poll carries any significance? The previous night poll meant nothing... as far as we know anyway.

Idc how many questions you ask tbh - I have nothing to hide.

Why not read my post if you wanted to see why you should not trust Epi? LOL

Shall I re-quote it for you?

Chris wrote:
Roxy wrote:<snip>

Well it was only day 2 and Made is hard to read.
After a couple of days went by - my focus has been on Hedge and getting people to look at her- when no one besides TH was looking at her I looked into the two top suspects. thats when I realized Made has been quiet and subdued. Since I call people out all the time for latching onto someone elses suspicions and voting without adding any original thoughts I wanted to add my thoughts before I voted.
Quiet and subdued. You keep saying that, like it's an indication of him being bad. I'm more quiet and subdued this game, does that make me bad? Simply being less active does not make someone a baddie. Now, granted, I think Made is bad now as well, after the lynch last night, it's pretty hard not to look like Dalek... something I was concerned about. But his story as to why/how his actions went down last night, sound like complete and utter bullshit to me...

Have you played with Made or Hosted him? No. I have played and hosted him so I do think I know his game a little better than you do. He is quiet and subdued and if you had played with him you would know this is VERY unlike him. I have stated my reasoning and sorry if you don't agree with it, should I change up my game just so my reasoning can be like yours -Which was stellar btw:

Chris wrote:Switching my vote to Rico for reasons.

*changes vote to Rico*

And your reason was bc you thought Made was being set up and was a civ. Sorry I did not agree with your thinking or Epi's last lynch. I did not know I had to agree with Epi or you to make a vote.

Chris wrote:But you said that you don't just like to latch on to other people's reasons to vote, and want to add your own. Well, let me ask you, what were the other people's reasons that you latched on to? Because you never said anything other than A: He's playing "quiet and subdued" & B: You don't trust Epig.

I did not latch onto anyone else's suspicion but my own yesterday. Though I did admit already Dom had made some points I agreed with but others not as much. So f'n what if I don't trust Epi. Are you his guardian or what? Why do you care so much that I should trust Epi? Its odd tbh.
In mafia you are supposed to find who you think is bad - its what I am doing. I am sorry you disagree with me but theres not much I can do about how I feel.

Chris wrote:
No I was not feeling the case Epi made on Enrique. Mostly bc I am not feeling trusty of Epi. why would I follow someone elses suspicion that I do not trust and vote accordingly? that makes no sense.
But no one is/was asking you to voke for Enri only based on what Epi does/said. Are you telling me that since you don't trust Epig, that whoever he votes for, you won't? There was other posted reasons/evidence to vote for Enri, and still, you voted for Made because he's been playing "quiet and subdued".

Maybe. I do not trust Epi. Idk what part of that sentence you are having a hard time understanding. I may vote the same as Epi if I feel it is warranted but I was not feeling it all yesterday.
There were reasons to vote Made why didn't you latch onto those?

Chris wrote:
I will be laying out the reasons why no one should be trusting Epi since he came bak2lyf later today.
This should be interesting...

My whole point on Roxy's vote last night was this. There was a lot of reasons/explanations floating around last night... but of all of the odd reasons to vote Made... Roxy's stuck out the most to me as someone who just needed to put her vote on Made to blend in, knowing it wouldn't get him lynched. She couldn't just put a vote there with no reason, so she made one up.

Does that make her bad? Not necessarily... but it certainly makes me wary of her, and I want to make damn sure it got some attention before we move on to the next big thing.

I did not make up a reason ffs! Anyone who has played with him knows I am telling the truth. He is quiet and subdued - tough shit if you do not like my reasoning.

Do you, like Epi, know something no one else does? Bc I did not "KNOW" Made would not be lynched. if you did you must be on a team with Epi as he had put Made and Enrique into roles on Day 4 no less. How can he assign roles so easily and be sure you might ask - its bc he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. You trust Epi so much you are parroting his thoughts about who has what role - hell a lot of people are but no one else has noticed that the only way he can be so *sure* that they are those roles is if he is a role checker or the role checker is on his team. If he thinks they are Daleks I will bet anyone a sig bet that Epi is on the Cyber team.

Think about that for awhile Chris.

Chris wrote:Yeah Roxy, you did talk about Made before. Twice before to be exact. Once earlier today:

Roxy wrote:<snip>
As for Made - yes lately this game he is acting different. He is more quiet and subdued. Some of Dom's points I feel are valid but some are just a bit off feeling to me. Idk if that is Dom or Made making me feel that way tbh. I do feel as if more bad than good has been pointed out about Made tbqh. I could vote for Made just to find some clarity this game and poss give us some leads on where to look next.

<snip>
But then NOTHING, until day 2, when you said:

Roxy wrote:<snip>As far as top vote getter Made - idk. he plays very differently than me. In the games we palyed together and one I have hosted he pretty much marches to his own beat. So for me he is hard to read.
<snip>
So which is it? Is he hard to read, or playing differently? And I've noticed that you've been falling in line with SVS pretty steadily. SVS came right in here, and made an immediate push for Made. You've never mentioned him except for that one time when you said you couldn't read him. Now you're voting him because you don't trust Epig, ironically, something you've said before, and because he's "acting different"...

Another thing I noticed too... you've repeatedly said you didn't see any case on Rico.

Hmmm.....

We may have baddie vs baddie here folks.. but I still have a bad feeling about this Made vote...

Well it was only day 2 and Made is hard to read.
After a couple of days went by - my focus has been on Hedge and getting people to look at her- when no one besides TH was looking at her I looked into the two top suspects. thats when I realized Made has been quiet and subdued. Since I call people out all the time for latching onto someone elses suspicions and voting without adding any original thoughts I wanted to add my thoughts before I voted.

No I was not feeling the case Epi made on Enrique. Mostly bc I am not feeling trusty of Epi. why would I follow someone elses suspicion that I do not trust and vote accordingly? that makes no sense.

I will be laying out the reasons why no one should be trusting Epi since he came bak2lyf later today.

Chris wrote:So are you voting Made because you don't want to vote for Rico because that's where Epig voted, and you don't trust Epig?

No.

I am voting Made bc he IS different this game than any other. He is quiet a subdued neither of which has he displayed before this game. if you had read my last post and my previous ones I have stated this before.

And yep.
I am not considering Enrique at this time. bc the main case people are voting was made by Epi who has just replacedin and I am not sure I trust that he has the civs best interest at heart. If this is not to your approval idk what to tell you. I have to play my way and what I feel is best.

Linky no chris.

I am sorry to not have been here sooner we had a dinner to attend and it ran longer than I expected. DP took care of MPATHG for me so I could vote then relax some.

So much of Made is this role Enrique is this role - how can anyone act so certain as to assign specific roles before the lynch is even over? I guess I am not smart enough to be able to place people in particular roles this early in a game. I guess a rolechecker could though

That said I feel better about voting Made over Enrique just bc Made is acting differently this game. I am not sure I should trust Epi quite yet and after his replacing in I have no ideas where his allegience may lie. Ergo I don't want to trust a case made by someone I can't yet trust.

*votes Made*

Yah epi was not the only eyeing Juliets either

Chris - Great side note

I totes agree!

I doubt I would vote for MP but I agree his game is quite wonky. This last day he felt kind of petulant. He gets that quality of tone in his posts when he is good and loves his role normally then is accused of being bad - so it makes me feel like I should just watch him for now to confirm how I feel bc I could be way off base here.

As for Made - yes lately this game he is acting different. He is more quiet and subdued. Some of Dom's points I feel are valid but some are just a bit off feeling to me. Idk if that is Dom or Made making me feel that way tbh. I do feel as if more bad than good has been pointed out about Made tbqh. I could vote for Made just to find some clarity this game and poss give us some leads on where to look next.

Epi (and Enrique too) - way to slug-fest your way back into a game

Some of your points feel forced while others feel on the mark. I do not think it makes Enrique Made's teammate just bc Enrique does not agree with you. Maybe he does not agree with you bc you have been on his case since Day 0. You die and get right back on him. Maybe he is disagreeing with you just to disagree - understand? I am not saying you are right or wrong here but tbph your track record as a baddie hunter is not all that great. In fact you have lead more civ lynches as a civ than anyone else I know. Could you be right this time? Sure but I just do not trust you straight out since you replaced back in. You could have come back as a wolf in sheeps clothing. I am watching for now but I do doubt I would follow your vote here today.

Hedge - little Hedgey - I have not forgotten about you. I guess people just are not seeing what I am so maybe I am seeing things? I felt what I feel. Its all based on your style and me comparing it to LOST. I see TH feels the same but betwixt the two of us I do not see your lynch happening today. But maybe after the drama of all this (Made vs Dom vs Epi vs Enrique) is past we could all take a closer look at you. In the meantime have you ever finished catching up? How about sharing some thoughts?? You have been playing catch up since I first called you out

My focus will be on what Made has to say today and I am hoping MP pulls himself out of the corner and starts playing again. How silly not to play how you want bc others don't like all your posts. I remember a game when *someone* (read: you) was saying my posts never make any sense and I am always like that. Yes it hurt my feelings but I got over it and continued to post. I hope you will too.

linky SVS I agree wholeheartedly

S~V~S wrote:Well, I find it unlikely he is faking it, tbh. My guess would be that Jackie, for whatever reason, became more active, and thought it would be funny to insanify zeek since he asked about it.

He came from STV before our time, Chris. He has played, but only the gentler STV version

Not sure about BWT, but I know Bea dislikes trying to play curses, etc.

I dont think STV was a gentler version its just that we respected each other and tended not to be rude or insulting to each other during games. whats with the polite giggle smiley?
I am prob taking this personally bc:
A its where I started playing
B bc its early and I have only had a 1/2 cup of coffee so far

RIP splints.

What are you saying Chris? Do you think zeek is bad bc now someone (specifically zeek) is insanified? Do you think he insanified himself after asking about it in the thread?

This is not zeeks first rodeo, I doubt very srsly he would have insanified himself or that he would not have missed using his ability previously then suddenly decide to use it on himself.

What do you make of the splints kill? Actually what do you think of all the NK choices?

It really rallied and went crazy in the thread when Hedgeowl had the vote lead and I want to know why no one else is seeing this?

Thanks MP and zeek for the responses.

Zeek one more question why did you feel uneasy when hedge had the lead in votes? if we had lynched her I would not have to start Day 4 with a vote on me - which I blame everyone for.

Juliets - what exactly about Hedges response did you find civvie enough to take your vote away and vote yourself? tbh that really twitched my nose.

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